| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench 00:56 - Sep 1 with 3554 views | KeithHaynes |
Allegedly forced Martin’s hand.
Believe to be 7m not sure if that inc add ons. |  |
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| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 01:59 - Sep 1 with 2582 views | KeithHaynes |
Further bid expected later today. | |
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| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 07:10 - Sep 1 with 2438 views | PawelAbbott |
If that offer is confirmed, then they should have enough for 3 or 4 decent signings.
As long as they don't spend all day finalising it and then look for replacements.
£7m is a good profit on his 12 months |  | | |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 08:04 - Sep 1 with 2317 views | guthrieintherain |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 07:10 - Sep 1 by PawelAbbott |
If that offer is confirmed, then they should have enough for 3 or 4 decent signings.
As long as they don't spend all day finalising it and then look for replacements.
£7m is a good profit on his 12 months |
Yes it is personally would be happy with 2 signings and a new manager.
Could we offer Russ a new roll director of football/chief scout he can spot a player.
Just does not manage them properly or is that constructive dismisal. [Post edited 1 Sep 2022 8:07]
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| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 08:29 - Sep 1 with 2225 views | KeithHaynes |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 07:10 - Sep 1 by PawelAbbott |
If that offer is confirmed, then they should have enough for 3 or 4 decent signings.
As long as they don't spend all day finalising it and then look for replacements.
£7m is a good profit on his 12 months |
Definitely confirmed mate. | |
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| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 08:36 - Sep 1 with 2210 views | Boundy |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 08:29 - Sep 1 by KeithHaynes |
Definitely confirmed mate. |
If he's off then let's get it done early, or will it be case we ran out of time etc | |
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| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 08:39 - Sep 1 with 2191 views | Johnw102 |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 07:10 - Sep 1 by PawelAbbott |
If that offer is confirmed, then they should have enough for 3 or 4 decent signings.
As long as they don't spend all day finalising it and then look for replacements.
£7m is a good profit on his 12 months |
Don't forget we will have add ons to pay Saints thought to be 20%. |  |
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| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 08:57 - Sep 1 with 2133 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 08:04 - Sep 1 by guthrieintherain |
Yes it is personally would be happy with 2 signings and a new manager.
Could we offer Russ a new roll director of football/chief scout he can spot a player.
Just does not manage them properly or is that constructive dismisal. [Post edited 1 Sep 2022 8:07]
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Constructive Dismissal? Depends on way in which it is put to him. If they make it clear there’s no option or say if you go upstairs we will buy x player,if you don’t, there’s no money, then yes. |  | | |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 08:59 - Sep 1 with 2130 views | Whiterockin |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 08:39 - Sep 1 by Johnw102 |
Don't forget we will have add ons to pay Saints thought to be 20%. |
Over and above the purchase price. |  | | |
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| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 09:20 - Sep 1 with 2047 views | magicdaps10 |
Swans want 10-12M.
The 2nd bid is supposedly around 6M with add ons. God only knows what the 1st amount was.
I think bids are out the window now and it's negotiating a fee that all parties are happy with. |  |
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| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 10:19 - Sep 1 with 1922 views | jack247 |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 08:04 - Sep 1 by guthrieintherain |
Yes it is personally would be happy with 2 signings and a new manager.
Could we offer Russ a new roll director of football/chief scout he can spot a player.
Just does not manage them properly or is that constructive dismisal. [Post edited 1 Sep 2022 8:07]
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At the start of the season, I said the owners will have different aspirations for Martin than the fans.
We pretty much unanimously want him to change dramatically or ship out.
If you offered them a £10m+ net transfer profit and finishing a place above relegation, they’d probably take it. They’d certainly prefer that than losing in the playoffs and not selling anyone.
I don’t see him being moved on unless we start getting cut adrift later in the season. | | | |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 10:46 - Sep 1 with 1838 views | Catullus |
I'd rather sell Piroe, really I would. Oba and our new loanee have pace, they could be quite damaging if we ever learn to get the ball forward quickly. Piroe, as good as he can look isn't quick, he doesn't seem that good at heading and there's the rumour that he isn't happy.
It's worrying now because, after Martin's words, it looks more like the owners only ambition is for us to bring in players and sell on so they profit. No real concern about us challenging at the top end as long as we avoid relegation. | |
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| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 11:00 - Sep 1 with 1797 views | magicdaps10 |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 10:46 - Sep 1 by Catullus |
I'd rather sell Piroe, really I would. Oba and our new loanee have pace, they could be quite damaging if we ever learn to get the ball forward quickly. Piroe, as good as he can look isn't quick, he doesn't seem that good at heading and there's the rumour that he isn't happy.
It's worrying now because, after Martin's words, it looks more like the owners only ambition is for us to bring in players and sell on so they profit. No real concern about us challenging at the top end as long as we avoid relegation. |
I thought the same, would have preferred to have seen Piroe go but last night proved that Piroe just needs the chances and he will put them away.....get pace and creativity around Piroe is better for the team all round.
Obefami has big potential but he is quite inconsistent and I think him going will allow us to strengthen with 2/3 players.......that is the next issue, relying on the board getting deals over the line. | |
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| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 11:11 - Sep 1 with 1758 views | jack247 |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 10:46 - Sep 1 by Catullus |
I'd rather sell Piroe, really I would. Oba and our new loanee have pace, they could be quite damaging if we ever learn to get the ball forward quickly. Piroe, as good as he can look isn't quick, he doesn't seem that good at heading and there's the rumour that he isn't happy.
It's worrying now because, after Martin's words, it looks more like the owners only ambition is for us to bring in players and sell on so they profit. No real concern about us challenging at the top end as long as we avoid relegation. |
This has been apparent for quite a while. They’ll sell Piroe too if someone offers £10m.
Promotion would be incredible, of course it would, but it’s very difficult to do when our running costs are higher than our turnover and we have to plug that gap with player sales every season.
A big part of Martins remit is to bring players in relatively cheaply and make a big profit on them. He can do that. If we were serious about promotion, I doubt we’d have hired him. | | | |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 11:11 - Sep 1 with 1758 views | Catullus |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 11:00 - Sep 1 by magicdaps10 |
I thought the same, would have preferred to have seen Piroe go but last night proved that Piroe just needs the chances and he will put them away.....get pace and creativity around Piroe is better for the team all round.
Obefami has big potential but he is quite inconsistent and I think him going will allow us to strengthen with 2/3 players.......that is the next issue, relying on the board getting deals over the line. |
yeah, that's my second paragraph, do they intend to reinvest any profit or are they going to start taking dividends? | |
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| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 11:19 - Sep 1 with 1728 views | jasper_T |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 10:46 - Sep 1 by Catullus |
I'd rather sell Piroe, really I would. Oba and our new loanee have pace, they could be quite damaging if we ever learn to get the ball forward quickly. Piroe, as good as he can look isn't quick, he doesn't seem that good at heading and there's the rumour that he isn't happy.
It's worrying now because, after Martin's words, it looks more like the owners only ambition is for us to bring in players and sell on so they profit. No real concern about us challenging at the top end as long as we avoid relegation. |
I'd rather sell Piroe if someone offered what he's worth, which significantly more than Obafemi ever will be.
The owners wanting the club to produce and sell players for a profit is just sensible. The alternative is that they have to pour money into the pit to keep us solvent. Teams with a budget on the lower end make the playoffs every year (Barnsley, Luton), it's what you do with your tools that matters in this league. Brentford went up with a deliberate profit-seeking player trading model. If we hadn't wasted two years developing players for other clubs under Cooper we might be in a position to grow as they did. | | | |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 11:42 - Sep 1 with 1661 views | Catullus |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 11:19 - Sep 1 by jasper_T |
I'd rather sell Piroe if someone offered what he's worth, which significantly more than Obafemi ever will be.
The owners wanting the club to produce and sell players for a profit is just sensible. The alternative is that they have to pour money into the pit to keep us solvent. Teams with a budget on the lower end make the playoffs every year (Barnsley, Luton), it's what you do with your tools that matters in this league. Brentford went up with a deliberate profit-seeking player trading model. If we hadn't wasted two years developing players for other clubs under Cooper we might be in a position to grow as they did. |
Oh yes I agree but what is Piroe worth?
I also don't have a problem with being sustainable and solvent but even so there still has to be a good enough level of reinvestment of profits.
Lets assume Oba is sold for 9 million and 5 million of that is clear profit, 3 million of it needs to go into the transfer fee and wages budget, 1-1.5 million into a rainy day fund, the rest they can have as a dividend.
I also agree entirely and have said the same about loan players, we need to develop our own and sell for profit.
However you look at it though, doing what Brentofrd did is hard and they spent a significant amount of their incomings buying replacements, Toney was a very good buy and I really like Mbeumo too but we wouldn't spend that kind of money (5.8 million for Mbeumo) and how much is he worth now? 15-20 million? | |
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| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 11:47 - Sep 1 with 1644 views | dobjack2 |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 10:46 - Sep 1 by Catullus |
I'd rather sell Piroe, really I would. Oba and our new loanee have pace, they could be quite damaging if we ever learn to get the ball forward quickly. Piroe, as good as he can look isn't quick, he doesn't seem that good at heading and there's the rumour that he isn't happy.
It's worrying now because, after Martin's words, it looks more like the owners only ambition is for us to bring in players and sell on so they profit. No real concern about us challenging at the top end as long as we avoid relegation. |
The owners stance has been fairly predictable since cooper and his expensive loan signings didn't get us up. All Martin has done is to let the cat out of the bag and I shouldn't suppose they would be too happy with that.
They don't want to throw good money after bad, hence Joe aside, it's going to be youngsters not in huge wages with potential resale value. The majority of any transfer fees for the best going on running the club. It was suggested that we would need to sell one asset a season, this year it looks like two at least. Dalling and Piroe if he is still here next season?
Medium to long term, there's only one way it's going and it isn't up. | | | |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 12:09 - Sep 1 with 1561 views | jack247 |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 11:11 - Sep 1 by Catullus |
yeah, that's my second paragraph, do they intend to reinvest any profit or are they going to start taking dividends? |
They reinvest back into the club, but not much will go on signings.
Player sales aside, they are running us at a loss. I’d imagine the majority of clear profit will go into reducing or alleviating that loss. | | | |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 12:15 - Sep 1 with 1524 views | KeithHaynes |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 12:09 - Sep 1 by jack247 |
They reinvest back into the club, but not much will go on signings.
Player sales aside, they are running us at a loss. I’d imagine the majority of clear profit will go into reducing or alleviating that loss. |
If Obafemi goes then Ogbene from Rotherham has to be the number one target. | |
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| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 12:45 - Sep 1 with 1410 views | dobjack2 |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 12:15 - Sep 1 by KeithHaynes |
If Obafemi goes then Ogbene from Rotherham has to be the number one target. |
And teams knowing we are desperate will demand top dollar. | | | |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 12:51 - Sep 1 with 1375 views | pete |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 12:45 - Sep 1 by dobjack2 |
And teams knowing we are desperate will demand top dollar. |
that whyn if these owners speculated a bit we would get our deals done before we sold anyone | | | |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 13:05 - Sep 1 with 1300 views | jasper_T |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 11:42 - Sep 1 by Catullus |
Oh yes I agree but what is Piroe worth?
I also don't have a problem with being sustainable and solvent but even so there still has to be a good enough level of reinvestment of profits.
Lets assume Oba is sold for 9 million and 5 million of that is clear profit, 3 million of it needs to go into the transfer fee and wages budget, 1-1.5 million into a rainy day fund, the rest they can have as a dividend.
I also agree entirely and have said the same about loan players, we need to develop our own and sell for profit.
However you look at it though, doing what Brentofrd did is hard and they spent a significant amount of their incomings buying replacements, Toney was a very good buy and I really like Mbeumo too but we wouldn't spend that kind of money (5.8 million for Mbeumo) and how much is he worth now? 15-20 million? |
£15m.
We've spent money on players, though. I don't understand the claim that we haven't. Darling cost a fair wedge this summer. Downes, Obafemi and Piroe last summer. Plenty of business in the half million range as well, it all adds up when the club has an income of only circa £15m a year.
Brentford bought Toney for £5m after selling Watkins for £30m. They made a £45m net transfer profit that season. When we start seeing that sort of profit and not spending flash fees maybe fans will have a point. Last season we spent more than we recouped. | | | |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 13:09 - Sep 1 with 1266 views | shandyjack |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 12:51 - Sep 1 by pete |
that whyn if these owners speculated a bit we would get our deals done before we sold anyone |
but what if they do that and the outgoings don't happen. we are stuck with wages we can't afford more than we are now. it's stuff like that that'll ruin he club. it has to be run sensibly, whether fans like it or not this is the way |  |
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| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 13:10 - Sep 1 with 1257 views | nantywatcher |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 11:42 - Sep 1 by Catullus |
Oh yes I agree but what is Piroe worth?
I also don't have a problem with being sustainable and solvent but even so there still has to be a good enough level of reinvestment of profits.
Lets assume Oba is sold for 9 million and 5 million of that is clear profit, 3 million of it needs to go into the transfer fee and wages budget, 1-1.5 million into a rainy day fund, the rest they can have as a dividend.
I also agree entirely and have said the same about loan players, we need to develop our own and sell for profit.
However you look at it though, doing what Brentofrd did is hard and they spent a significant amount of their incomings buying replacements, Toney was a very good buy and I really like Mbeumo too but we wouldn't spend that kind of money (5.8 million for Mbeumo) and how much is he worth now? 15-20 million? |
9 million - the world has gone stark raving bonkers! | | | |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 13:14 - Sep 1 with 1229 views | PawelAbbott |
| Late bid for Obafemi forces him on to the bench on 13:10 - Sep 1 by nantywatcher |
9 million - the world has gone stark raving bonkers! |
Ssshh !!
Don't point out he isn't worth anything like that until the deal is done | | | |
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