| New voter ID rules 19:26 - Apr 14 with 3723 views | Gwyn737 |
Just opened my polling card for upcoming the upcoming local election, the first with voter ID required.
Lots of options for older people (aside from the norm) but not for younger voters. Anyone would think it’s being manipulated…
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| New voter ID rules on 20:06 - Apr 14 with 2371 views | Whiterockin |
Do you live in England or Wales? |  | | |
| New voter ID rules on 20:48 - Apr 14 with 2330 views | Gwyn737 |
| New voter ID rules on 20:06 - Apr 14 by Whiterockin |
Do you live in England or Wales? |
England. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 21:13 - Apr 14 with 2306 views | Whiterockin |
| New voter ID rules on 20:48 - Apr 14 by Gwyn737 |
England. |
Different rules to us in Wales. 16 and 17 year olds can vote in Senedd and local elections so I doubt there would be any bias as they are trying to encourage young voters. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 21:30 - Apr 14 with 2280 views | Gwyn737 |
| New voter ID rules on 21:13 - Apr 14 by Whiterockin |
Different rules to us in Wales. 16 and 17 year olds can vote in Senedd and local elections so I doubt there would be any bias as they are trying to encourage young voters. |
That makes sense 👠| | | |
| New voter ID rules on 22:58 - Apr 14 with 2228 views | majorraglan |
There’s been huge concerns about the system being manipulated and certain sections of society being disenfranchised, it was something introduced by Boris’s government. Voter fraud in the U.K. isn’t a major issue, it’s something like 9 convictions and half a dozen cautions in 4 years.
All U.K. wide elections and parliamentary by elections, recall elections, Police and Crime Commissioner elections require voters to have ID, Senedd Elections, Welsh Local Government elections don’t require voters to present ID. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 23:07 - Apr 14 with 2210 views | Whiterockin |
| New voter ID rules on 22:58 - Apr 14 by majorraglan |
There’s been huge concerns about the system being manipulated and certain sections of society being disenfranchised, it was something introduced by Boris’s government. Voter fraud in the U.K. isn’t a major issue, it’s something like 9 convictions and half a dozen cautions in 4 years.
All U.K. wide elections and parliamentary by elections, recall elections, Police and Crime Commissioner elections require voters to have ID, Senedd Elections, Welsh Local Government elections don’t require voters to present ID. |
That's because we haven't had any elections since the changes. It will be in operation when it's our turn. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 23:37 - Apr 14 with 2178 views | majorraglan |
| New voter ID rules on 23:07 - Apr 14 by Whiterockin |
That's because we haven't had any elections since the changes. It will be in operation when it's our turn. |
If you’re saying Senedd elections and Welsh Local Government elections require ID you are wrong, it’s only those run by Westminster. Check it out. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 00:46 - Apr 15 with 2129 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Anyone can get free ID, it should be a requirement without question.
You need ID to buy alcohol, you should need ID to shape the direction of the country you and others live in.
It’s the very reason of manipulation that ID should be required. |  |
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| New voter ID rules on 07:00 - Apr 15 with 2122 views | Togg |
It's been happening in Northern Ireland for years. Possibly for a good reason. Don't see a problem myself. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 07:50 - Apr 15 with 2107 views | Whiterockin |
| New voter ID rules on 23:37 - Apr 14 by majorraglan |
If you’re saying Senedd elections and Welsh Local Government elections require ID you are wrong, it’s only those run by Westminster. Check it out. |
I'm not saying it's in operation currently because we don't have any elections, but it will come. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 07:59 - Apr 15 with 2092 views | Gwyn737 |
| New voter ID rules on 22:58 - Apr 14 by majorraglan |
There’s been huge concerns about the system being manipulated and certain sections of society being disenfranchised, it was something introduced by Boris’s government. Voter fraud in the U.K. isn’t a major issue, it’s something like 9 convictions and half a dozen cautions in 4 years.
All U.K. wide elections and parliamentary by elections, recall elections, Police and Crime Commissioner elections require voters to have ID, Senedd Elections, Welsh Local Government elections don’t require voters to present ID. |
It certainly seems a bit like it.
As you’ve said, if there’s no evidence of electoral fraud then what problem is this trying to solve?
If it’s not an attempt to manipulate the vote, why is an over 60 Oyster card an acceptable form of ID but an over 18 one isn’t? | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 08:10 - Apr 15 with 2064 views | Whiterockin |
| New voter ID rules on 07:59 - Apr 15 by Gwyn737 |
It certainly seems a bit like it.
As you’ve said, if there’s no evidence of electoral fraud then what problem is this trying to solve?
If it’s not an attempt to manipulate the vote, why is an over 60 Oyster card an acceptable form of ID but an over 18 one isn’t? |
Do they both contain a photo? | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 08:14 - Apr 15 with 2054 views | Gwyn737 |
| New voter ID rules on 08:10 - Apr 15 by Whiterockin |
Do they both contain a photo? |
Yep.
In regard to photo ID being needed, you can pick up a very expensive parcel from Royal Mail with an bank card, but you can’t use it to prevent nonexistent voter fraud. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 08:27 - Apr 15 with 2041 views | Whiterockin |
| New voter ID rules on 08:14 - Apr 15 by Gwyn737 |
Yep.
In regard to photo ID being needed, you can pick up a very expensive parcel from Royal Mail with an bank card, but you can’t use it to prevent nonexistent voter fraud. |
Agreed, it seems a bit ridiculous then. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 08:53 - Apr 15 with 2015 views | majorraglan |
| New voter ID rules on 07:50 - Apr 15 by Whiterockin |
I'm not saying it's in operation currently because we don't have any elections, but it will come. |
Voter ID isn’t coming in for Senedd or Welsh local government elections, the Senedd haven’t introduced the legislation. The ID requirement will only apply to Westminster controlled elections which will be the next GE. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 09:01 - Apr 15 with 2009 views | majorraglan |
| New voter ID rules on 07:59 - Apr 15 by Gwyn737 |
It certainly seems a bit like it.
As you’ve said, if there’s no evidence of electoral fraud then what problem is this trying to solve?
If it’s not an attempt to manipulate the vote, why is an over 60 Oyster card an acceptable form of ID but an over 18 one isn’t? |
I didn’t know about the Oyster cards for Over 60s being acceptable while the over 18 card wasn’t. Having just read up on the subject it looks like the government also repealed a cross party amendment to include student ID cards and some other forms of acceptable ID at the final stage. It’s definitely an attempt to disenfranchise youngsters. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 11:09 - Apr 15 with 1964 views | Gwyn737 |
| New voter ID rules on 07:00 - Apr 15 by Togg |
It's been happening in Northern Ireland for years. Possibly for a good reason. Don't see a problem myself. |
I wouldn’t have an issue if it was a level playing field but it’s not. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 11:30 - Apr 15 with 1955 views | Dr_Winston |
There's nothing here that hasn't been part of politics for years, whether it's redrawing boundaries or lowering the voting age to 16. All parties tinker with the system to try and gain an advantage. Next Labour Govt will undoubtedly do the same.
As a bare faced attempt to swing things their way, requesting people show ID at polling stations barely registers against allowing children the vote. Showing ID really should have been mandatory years ago, but fairly. [Post edited 15 Apr 2023 11:36]
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| New voter ID rules on 12:10 - Apr 15 with 1943 views | felixstowe_jack |
| New voter ID rules on 11:30 - Apr 15 by Dr_Winston |
There's nothing here that hasn't been part of politics for years, whether it's redrawing boundaries or lowering the voting age to 16. All parties tinker with the system to try and gain an advantage. Next Labour Govt will undoubtedly do the same.
As a bare faced attempt to swing things their way, requesting people show ID at polling stations barely registers against allowing children the vote. Showing ID really should have been mandatory years ago, but fairly. [Post edited 15 Apr 2023 11:36]
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In Scotland they have decided no criminals under 25 should be jailed as their minds are not fully developed and they can't be responsible for their actions. recently a 21 year old man found
Guilty of raping a 13 year old was given community service.
Meanwhile they think 16 and 17 year olds are responsible enough to vote.
You could only make the nonsense up in the land of the SNP. | |
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| New voter ID rules on 12:13 - Apr 15 with 1942 views | felixstowe_jack |
| New voter ID rules on 07:00 - Apr 15 by Togg |
It's been happening in Northern Ireland for years. Possibly for a good reason. Don't see a problem myself. |
The IRA favourite slogan was "vote early and vote often" | |
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| New voter ID rules on 21:14 - Apr 15 with 1857 views | majorraglan |
| New voter ID rules on 12:10 - Apr 15 by felixstowe_jack |
In Scotland they have decided no criminals under 25 should be jailed as their minds are not fully developed and they can't be responsible for their actions. recently a 21 year old man found
Guilty of raping a 13 year old was given community service.
Meanwhile they think 16 and 17 year olds are responsible enough to vote.
You could only make the nonsense up in the land of the SNP. |
They haven’t said criminals under 25 can’t be jailed, what they’ve said is that a custodial sentence should only be imposed on a young person when the court is satisfied that no other sentence is appropriate. They are trying to place an emphasis on rehabilitation, which I understand so that younger individuals don’t have a blighted future when they’ve matured, however in my view each case should be considered on its merits.
The 21 year old who raped the girl when he was 17 was in my opinion very lucky with this sentence. I genuinely believe there should be more emphasis on rehabilitation and making people pay for wrong doing, but I also think prison should be a legitimate option. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 22:18 - Apr 15 with 1832 views | max936 |
Its all about control, we're watched in all that we do, what we buy, where we go, yet we're proud that we live in a free country. absolute joke what right have these corrupt Governments got to be able to control us.
We got phones that we can be tracked on we got debt and credit cards which show what we've bought, where we been, what we spent etc. if we got company transport that is also tracked,, its ok though cause it's all for our own benefit, like f it is. |  |
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| New voter ID rules on 00:08 - Apr 16 with 1816 views | controversial_jack |
| New voter ID rules on 22:18 - Apr 15 by max936 |
Its all about control, we're watched in all that we do, what we buy, where we go, yet we're proud that we live in a free country. absolute joke what right have these corrupt Governments got to be able to control us.
We got phones that we can be tracked on we got debt and credit cards which show what we've bought, where we been, what we spent etc. if we got company transport that is also tracked,, its ok though cause it's all for our own benefit, like f it is. |
All those hat you have mentioned can indeed be tracked, but they are being tracked by private for profit companies, not the govt. It's the so called free market that is doing this. | | | |
| New voter ID rules on 07:32 - Apr 16 with 1774 views | felixstowe_jack |
| New voter ID rules on 00:08 - Apr 16 by controversial_jack |
All those hat you have mentioned can indeed be tracked, but they are being tracked by private for profit companies, not the govt. It's the so called free market that is doing this. |
Whereas in Russia the people are tracked by the Government and any anti war comments end up with arrest and jail. | |
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| New voter ID rules on 08:22 - Apr 16 with 1757 views | Gwyn737 |
| New voter ID rules on 07:32 - Apr 16 by felixstowe_jack |
Whereas in Russia the people are tracked by the Government and any anti war comments end up with arrest and jail. |
Are you going to continue do this on every thread (no matter what the OP) when Controversial Jack posts? [Post edited 16 Apr 2023 21:04]
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