| TfW 20:35 - Oct 25 with 2451 views | SullutaCreturned |
I've got to admit to being left a bit confused by this,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/welsh-government-admits-cant-afford-
They say rail infrastructure isn't devolved so fair enough I guess....hang on though, what about the South Wales Metro and those new tracks and new stations?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Wales_Metro
If the Senedd can afford the 125 million extra for TfW then surely it can afford the relatively small amount needed to ensure St Clears gets its vital new station? After all the South East of Wales has been given 125 million extra a chunk of which will be spent on infrastructure.
Is it just another example of the South East having while the South West are have nots?
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| TfW on 20:57 - Oct 25 with 2434 views | pencoedjack |
But people outside of the South East keep voting for them so they can do what they want. |  | | |
| TfW on 21:02 - Oct 25 with 2422 views | Whiterockin |
| TfW on 20:57 - Oct 25 by pencoedjack |
But people outside of the South East keep voting for them so they can do what they want. |
This has been the case in the past but I really don't think Welsh Labour will find it so easy next time.
Do you? |  | | |
| TfW on 21:21 - Oct 25 with 2396 views | Dr_Winston |
| TfW on 21:02 - Oct 25 by Whiterockin |
This has been the case in the past but I really don't think Welsh Labour will find it so easy next time.
Do you? |
I'd love to think otherwise but probably not.
Let's be honest, the only serious opposition is led by Andrew RT Davies, who is an even bigger dickhead than Waters or Drakeford.
Given the slim likelihood of ditching the whole nonsense altogether, then Wales desperately needs a sensible, mostly centre based opposition. The problem is that few will actually vote for that. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| TfW on 21:23 - Oct 25 with 2395 views | Whiterockin |
| TfW on 21:21 - Oct 25 by Dr_Winston |
I'd love to think otherwise but probably not.
Let's be honest, the only serious opposition is led by Andrew RT Davies, who is an even bigger dickhead than Waters or Drakeford.
Given the slim likelihood of ditching the whole nonsense altogether, then Wales desperately needs a sensible, mostly centre based opposition. The problem is that few will actually vote for that. |
Agreed. But I have sensed a massive change in public opinion that started during the pandemic and is growing. | | | |
| TfW on 21:30 - Oct 25 with 2378 views | Dr_Winston |
| TfW on 21:23 - Oct 25 by Whiterockin |
Agreed. But I have sensed a massive change in public opinion that started during the pandemic and is growing. |
Maybe this 20mph nonsense will be the catalyst.
Governments have to live in fear of losing power. It's the only thing that keeps them honest and actually focused on their main job of trying to improve the lives of those that they govern.
If they're too confident of remaining in control or otherwise resigned to losing it then that's when the bad sh*t happens. For the past 20+ years Wales has been stuck in the former and it shows. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| TfW on 21:32 - Oct 25 with 2372 views | Whiterockin |
| TfW on 21:30 - Oct 25 by Dr_Winston |
Maybe this 20mph nonsense will be the catalyst.
Governments have to live in fear of losing power. It's the only thing that keeps them honest and actually focused on their main job of trying to improve the lives of those that they govern.
If they're too confident of remaining in control or otherwise resigned to losing it then that's when the bad sh*t happens. For the past 20+ years Wales has been stuck in the former and it shows. |
One by-election and protest vote could be enough to make the Senedd sit up and think. | | | |
| TfW on 21:34 - Oct 25 with 2363 views | majorraglan |
I don’t think this is as straight forward as it sounds. From what I understand from previously speaking to someone connected with the area the railway station was closed ages ago, the site was subsequently sold off and then developed. There is now a supermarket on one side of the level crossing and 2 x industrial units on the other side of the level crossing. | | | |
| TfW on 15:24 - Oct 26 with 2214 views | Flashberryjack |
| TfW on 21:30 - Oct 25 by Dr_Winston |
Maybe this 20mph nonsense will be the catalyst.
Governments have to live in fear of losing power. It's the only thing that keeps them honest and actually focused on their main job of trying to improve the lives of those that they govern.
If they're too confident of remaining in control or otherwise resigned to losing it then that's when the bad sh*t happens. For the past 20+ years Wales has been stuck in the former and it shows. |
Sometimes people forget how badly Wales has been run by the Senedd when it comes to voting, and vote for more of the same.
But this time there will be a constant reminder staring people in the face every time they get held up in a 20 mph zone. |  |
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| TfW on 17:36 - Oct 26 with 2185 views | controversial_jack |
| TfW on 15:24 - Oct 26 by Flashberryjack |
Sometimes people forget how badly Wales has been run by the Senedd when it comes to voting, and vote for more of the same.
But this time there will be a constant reminder staring people in the face every time they get held up in a 20 mph zone. |
Not sure why 20mph is getting so many knickers in twists | | | |
| TfW on 20:56 - Oct 26 with 2140 views | SullutaCreturned |
| TfW on 17:36 - Oct 26 by controversial_jack |
Not sure why 20mph is getting so many knickers in twists |
And if we were all supporting it, you'd be saying the opposite  | | | |
| TfW on 10:49 - Oct 27 with 2066 views | Whiterockin |
The Welsh Government bought the airport for £52m in 2013. In March 2021, it was given a grant of £42.1m and £42.6m of debt was written off. Cardiff Airport was one of the hardest hit by the coronavirus pandemic after an 93% drop in passenger numbers, figures by the Civil Aviation Authority in 2021 showed. In 2021, the value of the airport was put at £15m, less than a third of what the Welsh Government paid for it eight years previously. In 2010, Cardiff was the 20th biggest airport in the UK by passenger volume. By 2021, it had fallen to 25th. It had recovered to 20th in October last year. But WizzAir then withdrew.
So when is enough, enough. This year Cardiff airport numbers are 58% of pre pandemic. Bristol airport are about 11% down. Can the Senedd really justify pouring more of our money down the drain. Many Welsh taxpayers from Mid Wales and North Wales never even use it. It really is time to pull the plug. | | | |
| TfW on 11:52 - Oct 27 with 2039 views | Treforys_Jack |
Yeah but what about Westminster mun ! [Post edited 27 Oct 2023 11:52]
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| TfW on 16:33 - Oct 27 with 1989 views | SullutaCreturned |
Hundreds of millions has been thrown at it and it's getting worse. It just goes to show the complete lack of business acumen available in the Senedd.
A decent business person with even a reasonable ability to judge the facts would have pulled the plug long ago.
How much will their pet TfW project spiral up to, will it be the Welsh HS2? yet no money for a new station (well a renewed station) in St Clears because they cannot afford it, they just spent that money on those scanners at CW airport and it loses money on every passenger. | | | |
| TfW on 11:04 - Oct 28 with 1929 views | Dr_Winston |
| TfW on 16:33 - Oct 27 by SullutaCreturned |
Hundreds of millions has been thrown at it and it's getting worse. It just goes to show the complete lack of business acumen available in the Senedd.
A decent business person with even a reasonable ability to judge the facts would have pulled the plug long ago.
How much will their pet TfW project spiral up to, will it be the Welsh HS2? yet no money for a new station (well a renewed station) in St Clears because they cannot afford it, they just spent that money on those scanners at CW airport and it loses money on every passenger. |
Cardi.... I mean Wales must have an airport. If it costs £50m a year to subsidise and handles two flights a day whilst people living in West Wales are forced to walk everywhere because of a lack of investment that is never, ever going to change. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| TfW on 09:14 - Oct 30 with 1845 views | felixstowe_jack |
| TfW on 10:49 - Oct 27 by Whiterockin |
The Welsh Government bought the airport for £52m in 2013. In March 2021, it was given a grant of £42.1m and £42.6m of debt was written off. Cardiff Airport was one of the hardest hit by the coronavirus pandemic after an 93% drop in passenger numbers, figures by the Civil Aviation Authority in 2021 showed. In 2021, the value of the airport was put at £15m, less than a third of what the Welsh Government paid for it eight years previously. In 2010, Cardiff was the 20th biggest airport in the UK by passenger volume. By 2021, it had fallen to 25th. It had recovered to 20th in October last year. But WizzAir then withdrew.
So when is enough, enough. This year Cardiff airport numbers are 58% of pre pandemic. Bristol airport are about 11% down. Can the Senedd really justify pouring more of our money down the drain. Many Welsh taxpayers from Mid Wales and North Wales never even use it. It really is time to pull the plug. |
Passenger numbers in Bristol have increased again in 2023 and are expected to reach prepandemic numbers this year. More airlines are increasing flights from Bristol in 2024.
Both TUI and Jet2 have announced new routes and increased frequency on existing routes. | |
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| TfW on 16:26 - Oct 30 with 1794 views | SullutaCreturned |
| TfW on 21:34 - Oct 25 by majorraglan |
I don’t think this is as straight forward as it sounds. From what I understand from previously speaking to someone connected with the area the railway station was closed ages ago, the site was subsequently sold off and then developed. There is now a supermarket on one side of the level crossing and 2 x industrial units on the other side of the level crossing. |
Did you read the story? The station was supposwd to be reinstated, from the WoL
The Welsh Government has admitted "we don't have the money" to re-open a railway station which had been due to come back into use after 60 years. The original price estimate of £6m has doubled, Senedd members have been told.
Answering a question in the Senedd deputy minister Lee Waters said the original business plan showed a £6m cost to re-open St Clears railway station but that has now doubled. However the Department for Transport contribution "remains at £4.5m," said Mr Waters. He added: "Now this is rail infrastructure. Rail infrastructure is not devolved.
So the Senedd needs to find 7.5 million instead of 1.5 million, a rise of 6 million which they apparently cannot afford yet they plough many more millions into something that hardly gets used, they have spent over 30 million just changing signs for the speed limit debacle and they want to spend over 120 million on increasing their number which is also something people don't seem to want.
The train station may well get used, it has apprently been badly missed which is why it was being reinstated. They have money for follies but not for something that may actually be useful. | | | |
| TfW on 18:27 - Oct 30 with 1764 views | majorraglan |
| TfW on 16:26 - Oct 30 by SullutaCreturned |
Did you read the story? The station was supposwd to be reinstated, from the WoL
The Welsh Government has admitted "we don't have the money" to re-open a railway station which had been due to come back into use after 60 years. The original price estimate of £6m has doubled, Senedd members have been told.
Answering a question in the Senedd deputy minister Lee Waters said the original business plan showed a £6m cost to re-open St Clears railway station but that has now doubled. However the Department for Transport contribution "remains at £4.5m," said Mr Waters. He added: "Now this is rail infrastructure. Rail infrastructure is not devolved.
So the Senedd needs to find 7.5 million instead of 1.5 million, a rise of 6 million which they apparently cannot afford yet they plough many more millions into something that hardly gets used, they have spent over 30 million just changing signs for the speed limit debacle and they want to spend over 120 million on increasing their number which is also something people don't seem to want.
The train station may well get used, it has apprently been badly missed which is why it was being reinstated. They have money for follies but not for something that may actually be useful. |
Yes I did and I know a bit more about the issue as I don’t live a millions miles away and know a bit of the background. The site where the station once stood has been redeveloped, but I’m at a loss to see how the costs have doubled in 3 years.
If this is Network Rails responsibility, then they should pay up and the WG should pay a reasonable contribution, I’d have thought the 75/25% should have remained the deal. I don’t think that £12m is good value tbh.
In terms of the points you make about the 30mph -I also agree with you and in terms the additional politicians, it need to be binned. | | | |
| TfW on 20:51 - Oct 31 with 1638 views | SullutaCreturned |
| TfW on 18:27 - Oct 30 by majorraglan |
Yes I did and I know a bit more about the issue as I don’t live a millions miles away and know a bit of the background. The site where the station once stood has been redeveloped, but I’m at a loss to see how the costs have doubled in 3 years.
If this is Network Rails responsibility, then they should pay up and the WG should pay a reasonable contribution, I’d have thought the 75/25% should have remained the deal. I don’t think that £12m is good value tbh.
In terms of the points you make about the 30mph -I also agree with you and in terms the additional politicians, it need to be binned. |
maybe the costs doubled because a government was paying for it, this "doubling" always seems to happen in the public sector. | | | |
| TfW on 19:25 - Nov 6 with 1449 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| TfW on 10:49 - Oct 27 by Whiterockin |
The Welsh Government bought the airport for £52m in 2013. In March 2021, it was given a grant of £42.1m and £42.6m of debt was written off. Cardiff Airport was one of the hardest hit by the coronavirus pandemic after an 93% drop in passenger numbers, figures by the Civil Aviation Authority in 2021 showed. In 2021, the value of the airport was put at £15m, less than a third of what the Welsh Government paid for it eight years previously. In 2010, Cardiff was the 20th biggest airport in the UK by passenger volume. By 2021, it had fallen to 25th. It had recovered to 20th in October last year. But WizzAir then withdrew.
So when is enough, enough. This year Cardiff airport numbers are 58% of pre pandemic. Bristol airport are about 11% down. Can the Senedd really justify pouring more of our money down the drain. Many Welsh taxpayers from Mid Wales and North Wales never even use it. It really is time to pull the plug. |
When is enough enough? Never i say. It runs at a loss perhaps and that is not good of course. It is a vital status symbol of Wales as a nation and must be kept.
Does all the London transport line make profit? Probably not. No one says shut the northern Line outside the rush ou hours. Does the monarchy make a profit. Did the Olympics 2012 make a profit?
It is a question of priorities. Wales can afford this airport and needs to work harder to make it work. |  |
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| TfW on 19:39 - Nov 6 with 1431 views | SullutaCreturned |
| TfW on 19:25 - Nov 6 by ReslovenSwan1 |
When is enough enough? Never i say. It runs at a loss perhaps and that is not good of course. It is a vital status symbol of Wales as a nation and must be kept.
Does all the London transport line make profit? Probably not. No one says shut the northern Line outside the rush ou hours. Does the monarchy make a profit. Did the Olympics 2012 make a profit?
It is a question of priorities. Wales can afford this airport and needs to work harder to make it work. |
A vital status symbol? A symbol of abject failure is what it is.
TfL is on course to make a profit and the Northern line makes a profit over all doesn't it? CWL makes a loss on EVERY pasenger, on EVERY flight and the figures are getting worse.
The Monarchy isn't a going concern but allegedly they bring more money into the UK than they cost.
Now these priorities, how about the NHS and schools being top of the list and things that are financially unviable are consigne to the record books? I hope you never need a major operation because the current state of the Welsh NHS means you will wait years for it. Unless you can afford to go private.
Please explain how Wales can afford this airport? drakeford is always moaning that Wales is short of money but then keeps on wasting millios on thinsg that are not needed and/or even seemingly unwanted. | | | |
| TfW on 20:18 - Nov 6 with 1406 views | Whiterockin |
| TfW on 19:25 - Nov 6 by ReslovenSwan1 |
When is enough enough? Never i say. It runs at a loss perhaps and that is not good of course. It is a vital status symbol of Wales as a nation and must be kept.
Does all the London transport line make profit? Probably not. No one says shut the northern Line outside the rush ou hours. Does the monarchy make a profit. Did the Olympics 2012 make a profit?
It is a question of priorities. Wales can afford this airport and needs to work harder to make it work. |
Without a doubt the money could be better spent elsewhere. If we can afford it why are the Senedd asking for budget cuts in all areas including the NHS, yet we increase the money pumped into the airport, insanity. | | | |
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