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Personal Accountability 03:05 - Oct 30 with 2394 viewsDemitrius

Just chucking this out there for discussion....

Below you will find many threads of how the UK is slowly tearing itself to pieces, a litany of failures and injustices, crimes and other horrors...

My younger self would never have thought we'd end up like this in 2025, and now I'm ashamed and embarrassed by the future nation I'm expecting my children to make their way forward in.

I feel a sense of personal guilt that I've allowed this to happen on my watch while I was off making a career, having kids, indulging in holidays and DIY vanity projects, golf club memberships and watching the Swans, building and enjoying a life essentially while all the time my country was slowly but deliberately being sold out from underneath me by a cabal of profiteering scoundrels...

Did I turn a wilful blind eye to it or was I duped?

I can't be the only one who feels they should have shouted a lot louder when the rot started kicking in...?

Anyone else feel the same ? Because every day I wake up and turn on the news I feel like crap...

Maybe it's just old age !

“Cunnilingus and Psychiatry brought us to this …”

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Personal Accountability on 07:19 - Oct 30 with 2330 viewsDr_Winston

Until the existence of New Labour you got the sense that politicians of all hues were doing their best for the country. People could, and did, argue about the methods they used, but the ultimate intentions were good.

Can't really say that about any of them since. I mean, just the absolute contempt for the populace encapsulated by this story. There's no way on Earth that Reeves would have been unaware of the rules surrounding being a private landlord. She just thought that nobody would notice. And Two Tier rules out any action.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd04d0yxnrvo
[Post edited 30 Oct 7:23]

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Personal Accountability on 07:55 - Oct 30 with 2310 viewsonehunglow

I should reach 76 yrs of age in a few months
I share your thoughts
We have another grandchild due onnJanuary
I look around and fear
Still , other generations have felt the same but this time the fear might be justified
Biggest issue for me is perversions being made acceptable when they are simply that .
Many countries are the same now
Difference is how our culture and lingua Franca have changed

Chin up , Wales rugby internationals coming up soon !

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Personal Accountability on 10:39 - Oct 30 with 2257 viewsAnotherJohn

I have to say that as a young person with relatively "progressive" views, I did not see where we were going. and was misguided in my views. In mitigation, I'd say that own "progressivism" mainly centred on economics and social inequality, so that issues like future trends in mass migration, the international legal order and gender fluidity etc, largely passed me by. I suppose I was more sympathetic to Glasman-style Blue Labour, which has since come in for horrendous abuse from the Corbynistas. Some say that plans regarding mass immigration were there all the time, but some thought it best to keep these under wraps. I can't make up my mind whether Andrew Neather deserves a life sentence in jail or sympathy for blowing the whistle

https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12610177.mass-immigration-politic
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Personal Accountability on 13:08 - Oct 30 with 2202 viewsonehunglow

Personal Accountability on 10:39 - Oct 30 by AnotherJohn

I have to say that as a young person with relatively "progressive" views, I did not see where we were going. and was misguided in my views. In mitigation, I'd say that own "progressivism" mainly centred on economics and social inequality, so that issues like future trends in mass migration, the international legal order and gender fluidity etc, largely passed me by. I suppose I was more sympathetic to Glasman-style Blue Labour, which has since come in for horrendous abuse from the Corbynistas. Some say that plans regarding mass immigration were there all the time, but some thought it best to keep these under wraps. I can't make up my mind whether Andrew Neather deserves a life sentence in jail or sympathy for blowing the whistle

https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12610177.mass-immigration-politic


With young folk like you around, there is hope
Have a good life and be lucky

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Personal Accountability on 14:15 - Oct 30 with 2179 viewsAnotherJohn

Personal Accountability on 13:08 - Oct 30 by onehunglow

With young folk like you around, there is hope
Have a good life and be lucky


That was a retrospective take on my views many years ago of course, but the irony is appreciated.
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Personal Accountability on 14:24 - Oct 30 with 2154 viewstrampie

There is no hope for future generations, lots of them will be destitute, all the money will go to the rich, future generations will work hard to pay the rent (they wont be able to afford houses) they won't be able to have holidays as they won't be able to afford it, they probably won't be able to afford cars and have to use public transport.

Continually being banned by Planet Swans for Porthcawl and then being reinstated.
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Personal Accountability on 07:40 - Oct 31 with 1993 viewsBoundy

Personal Accountability on 14:24 - Oct 30 by trampie

There is no hope for future generations, lots of them will be destitute, all the money will go to the rich, future generations will work hard to pay the rent (they wont be able to afford houses) they won't be able to have holidays as they won't be able to afford it, they probably won't be able to afford cars and have to use public transport.


Thats Maxixm for you .

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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Personal Accountability on 08:27 - Oct 31 with 1939 viewsonehunglow

Personal Accountability on 07:40 - Oct 31 by Boundy

Thats Maxixm for you .


We are all richer than our forebearers
You’d think folk would be pleased but no , it seems being” poor” is a badge of honour
We should all aspire and graft and achieve

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Personal Accountability on 09:51 - Oct 31 with 1901 viewstrampie

We in the UK and the USA have gone over the crest of the hill so to speak, the peak was probably 20 years ago, we are on a downward slope, free education, free healthcare, better services are becoming things of the past.
Remember the Simpsons on tv (a 90s sort of thing), a factory worker had a stay at home wife in a 4 bedroom house and 3 kids and a dog and a cat, if they made it now they would have to down grade the families situation.

The future is not bright for future generations unless there is a redistribution of wealth.

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Personal Accountability on 10:42 - Oct 31 with 1875 viewsBoundy

Personal Accountability on 09:51 - Oct 31 by trampie

We in the UK and the USA have gone over the crest of the hill so to speak, the peak was probably 20 years ago, we are on a downward slope, free education, free healthcare, better services are becoming things of the past.
Remember the Simpsons on tv (a 90s sort of thing), a factory worker had a stay at home wife in a 4 bedroom house and 3 kids and a dog and a cat, if they made it now they would have to down grade the families situation.

The future is not bright for future generations unless there is a redistribution of wealth.


Unless the country reverts to communism then your dream of a group of billionaires for example, giving alms to the poor is just that , a dream .
I agree that the UK has been in decline as a nation morally, ,socially , financially and productively for far too many years and unless we see some magically turn around thats going to continue because we have lost our way in the world.

a prime example of the morals of some :
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/fury-as-poppy-sellers-abused-by-left-wing-
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"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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Personal Accountability on 11:13 - Oct 31 with 1830 viewstrampie

Personal Accountability on 10:42 - Oct 31 by Boundy

Unless the country reverts to communism then your dream of a group of billionaires for example, giving alms to the poor is just that , a dream .
I agree that the UK has been in decline as a nation morally, ,socially , financially and productively for far too many years and unless we see some magically turn around thats going to continue because we have lost our way in the world.

a prime example of the morals of some :
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/fury-as-poppy-sellers-abused-by-left-wing-
[Post edited 31 Oct 10:52]


Whether you think having a wealth tax is Communism or not, is neither here nor there, as if we don't do it all the assets are going to end up in a small percentage of people's hands when everyone else will work hard but own nothing and be expected to be happy.

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Personal Accountability on 11:22 - Oct 31 with 1817 viewsWhiterockin

Personal Accountability on 11:13 - Oct 31 by trampie

Whether you think having a wealth tax is Communism or not, is neither here nor there, as if we don't do it all the assets are going to end up in a small percentage of people's hands when everyone else will work hard but own nothing and be expected to be happy.


Not everyone else will work hard and there lies the problem.
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Personal Accountability on 11:31 - Oct 31 with 1785 viewsAnotherJohn

Personal Accountability on 11:13 - Oct 31 by trampie

Whether you think having a wealth tax is Communism or not, is neither here nor there, as if we don't do it all the assets are going to end up in a small percentage of people's hands when everyone else will work hard but own nothing and be expected to be happy.


Surely the problem is that UK per capita GNP has actually been declining slightly in recent years even as the population has grown substantially. In theory that measure is expressed as an average figure that includes income generated by the rich. So unless you are claiming that the income of the rich is somehow missing from the figures, there just isn't enough to fund all the public spending we desire, at least not without taxing a broad cross-section of the population to the hilt. Even if you tax accumulated capital rather than recurrent income, redistribution only helps for a short time. That is so even in the unlikely scenario where wealth does not flee these shores. As even Rachel realises, we need growth. Would a high wealth tax aid growth?
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Personal Accountability on 11:45 - Oct 31 with 1771 viewsswan65split

Car MOT this week, whilst waiting I spent a 30 min or so having a similar convo with someone just a bit younger than me , im 73, about how we are at this present moment, how we were, and how we got here, ,,,,,,,those Govts lost, these that crow they know better than us plebs, have ruined everything.
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Personal Accountability on 11:55 - Oct 31 with 1761 viewsonehunglow

Personal Accountability on 11:45 - Oct 31 by swan65split

Car MOT this week, whilst waiting I spent a 30 min or so having a similar convo with someone just a bit younger than me , im 73, about how we are at this present moment, how we were, and how we got here, ,,,,,,,those Govts lost, these that crow they know better than us plebs, have ruined everything.


Some old buggers on here

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Personal Accountability on 12:07 - Oct 31 with 1757 viewsBoundy

Personal Accountability on 11:55 - Oct 31 by onehunglow

Some old buggers on here


It's mostly the old buggers who speak the most sense.

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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Personal Accountability on 12:07 - Oct 31 with 1750 viewsonehunglow

Personal Accountability on 12:07 - Oct 31 by Boundy

It's mostly the old buggers who speak the most sense.


Bastards
Tax the feckets to death

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Personal Accountability on 15:36 - Oct 31 with 1678 viewsswan65split

Personal Accountability on 12:07 - Oct 31 by onehunglow

Bastards
Tax the feckets to death


They are already doing it, theres more to come, the poor , the old, and sick will pay.
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Personal Accountability on 16:16 - Oct 31 with 1651 viewstrampie

Personal Accountability on 11:31 - Oct 31 by AnotherJohn

Surely the problem is that UK per capita GNP has actually been declining slightly in recent years even as the population has grown substantially. In theory that measure is expressed as an average figure that includes income generated by the rich. So unless you are claiming that the income of the rich is somehow missing from the figures, there just isn't enough to fund all the public spending we desire, at least not without taxing a broad cross-section of the population to the hilt. Even if you tax accumulated capital rather than recurrent income, redistribution only helps for a short time. That is so even in the unlikely scenario where wealth does not flee these shores. As even Rachel realises, we need growth. Would a high wealth tax aid growth?


GNP is meaningless, stockmarkets are at all time highs, gold is at all time highs, millionaires and billionaires are richer than they were 5/10 years ago, it's the middle classes are poorer and getting poorer than in the past.
It's no good governments saying we need to grow because people have not got money to spend in and grow the economy.
Wealth needs to be taken off the mega rich via wealth taxes then given to the middle classes via tax cuts and the like so they can spend the money in the economy stimulating growth. The mega rich are soaking up all the money and assets in the economy and making the majority of people poorer.
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Personal Accountability on 18:49 - Oct 31 with 1570 viewshowenjack

Personal Accountability on 11:31 - Oct 31 by AnotherJohn

Surely the problem is that UK per capita GNP has actually been declining slightly in recent years even as the population has grown substantially. In theory that measure is expressed as an average figure that includes income generated by the rich. So unless you are claiming that the income of the rich is somehow missing from the figures, there just isn't enough to fund all the public spending we desire, at least not without taxing a broad cross-section of the population to the hilt. Even if you tax accumulated capital rather than recurrent income, redistribution only helps for a short time. That is so even in the unlikely scenario where wealth does not flee these shores. As even Rachel realises, we need growth. Would a high wealth tax aid growth?


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Personal Accountability on 20:08 - Oct 31 with 1526 viewspencoedjack

I feel exactly the same.

I fear for my kids & grandkids future & do feel guilty about it.

What annoys me more is those (some on this forum) who continually claim that you are far right when in fact you are just right.
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Personal Accountability on 09:09 - Nov 1 with 1377 viewsGwyn737

Personal Accountability on 20:08 - Oct 31 by pencoedjack

I feel exactly the same.

I fear for my kids & grandkids future & do feel guilty about it.

What annoys me more is those (some on this forum) who continually claim that you are far right when in fact you are just right.


Tbf Penc, I’ve not seen anyone called that for quite a while.
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Personal Accountability on 09:26 - Nov 1 with 1359 viewsWhiterockin

Personal Accountability on 09:09 - Nov 1 by Gwyn737

Tbf Penc, I’ve not seen anyone called that for quite a while.


It happened about 10 days ago mate.
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Personal Accountability on 09:40 - Nov 1 with 1337 viewsGwyn737

Personal Accountability on 09:26 - Nov 1 by Whiterockin

It happened about 10 days ago mate.


I must have missed that one.

I still wouldn’t say that’s regular, though.
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Personal Accountability on 11:13 - Nov 1 with 1301 viewsWhiterockin

Personal Accountability on 09:40 - Nov 1 by Gwyn737

I must have missed that one.

I still wouldn’t say that’s regular, though.


True, its just the one poster.
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