| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? 22:34 - Mar 22 with 7653 views | ted_hendrix |
Is it just me or my imagination but for some reason this impending relegation seems to be the worst of the lot.
Yes I know we're not down yet but I've been through relegation's before as I suspect most of you have but this one just seems to be bloody awful and to my mind the worst of the lot by far.
I'm not too sure about us bringing anybody else In on the Management side of things, 'whoever we've brought in these last few years has ultimately failed as are the current crop.
Our last home win was December 20th last year.
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| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 09:18 - Mar 23 with 2160 views | THEBUSH |
My old Dad used to say, it's better lucky than good, I've a feeling that's what we've got with our mate TF.
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| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 12:56 - Mar 23 with 2096 views | Dorse |
Sir Les has come in for a bit of criticism over the Ramsey appointment but my view is that Ramsey was never going to be confirmed as manager in a long term capacity. Everyone could see that the club was going down the tubes after Redknapp chose to walk away (well, limp anyway).
I place a lot of the responsibility for the current position on Redknapp's squad construction rather than Ramsey's match day shenanigans. Ramsey clearly isn't in the right role - he's a youth coach and should be allowed to resume that role at the earliest opportunity. His talent lies in player development. The longer he spends working with the likes of Barton, Hoilett, SWP, Rio and all the others who are going to foxtrot Oscar before next season, the less time he's got to work with the likes of Grego-Cox (I bet he does), Doughty, Furlong, Harriman, Sendles-White, Ehmer et al. This is what really grips my sh!t.
The squad was unbalanced from the start and tailored (if you could call it that) towards a system that was, frankly, never properly attempted. Harry deliberately shafted us by the way he timed his exit. What fcuking chance did the next bloke have? I'm not going to say that Captain Bellend would have got us 15 points or that we should have gone for Manager X because we already had Harry who was making positive noises right up until he walked out. Tone was naive and wanted to give Redknapp time (he pulled the trigger very early with Warnock and Hughes might well have turned it around - we'll never know).
Personally, I attach very little blame to Ramsey. He was never going to pull it off. However, I do think that they have someone already lined up for the longer term. Warburton has already been mentioned and would be good but I genuinely believe that they've got an in principle agreement with Clement. If so, the long term plan could be a goer. I doubt we'll come straight back up but if we could do a Southampton over the next ten years and bring players through then I'd be a happy chap.
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| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 13:14 - Mar 23 with 2072 views | SpiritofGregory |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 09:02 - Mar 23 by danehoop |
We have undoubtedly had one of the biggest shytestorms of a seasons I have ever watched. The constant Redknapp lurch from buying all and sundry, failing to address obvious deficiencies whilst avoiding any atempts to be held to account for his managerial shortcomings or player acquistions/disposals. That whole episode has been a hugely frustrating exercise as never has a QPR manager had so much goodwill and resources (unlike Hughes who just had the resources) and squandered them so badly.
I think we have probably had some of the most naive ownership that we have ever had. A big emphasis here is that they are not bad owners or have any ill intent. They just discovered how much of a cesspit football and particulalry the premiership is for the unwary. Probably their biggest failing has been overpromising and underdelivering. Don't tell me about your next manager that you have in mind or plans for future stadiums I am unlikely to sit or waste money on the latest big name from a top club coming to us to top up their pension plan. Get Warren Farm started and I will believe you .
To be honest I am actually taking a lot of positives at this point from your last sentence.
1. I just dont think that the FFP thing is going to bite as others do. The legal basis for massive destructive action simply isnt there and neither the Football League (not materially wealthy organisation) nor QPR really want to fight about it. We will be penalised, but not doomsday scenario.
2. The amount of expensive/substandard players out of contract in the summer does allow for a complete reorganisation and change of approach.
3. For the first time in ages we have the inkling of a long term plan and delivery process in place to deliver it, led by Sir Les and replacement for Beard.
4. I think that there is a definite change of approach from TF in stepping back and letting Sir Les take on a greater role and not spending on next big name or rushing appointments of managers. He can't stop the sound bites on twitter and there will be some with hindsight views on not appointing tactics tim. But need to remember that the squad, facilities and resources inherited with that job are just incomparable to the shambles that we have presently.
5. Next managerial appointment will be the key one and something that the board will need to have early agreement on, as well as the approach that they will take (i.e. hands off and handle through Sir Les).
Perhaps as a QPR fan I am just an uncurable deluded optimist, probably resonsates as the right description for most of us (SOG excluded obviously). I think that there is a possibility to go forward next year and start to build things right for the future. The Championship is a challenging League, but is much more open than most leagues and its possible for many teams to get promoted. I do suspect it will be a more enjoyable experience for most fans though. |
Let's hope Les doesn't repeat his first major input in the club - choosing a shit manager. |  | | |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 13:34 - Mar 23 with 2052 views | danehoop |
Hello SOG,
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| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 13:39 - Mar 23 with 2047 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 09:14 - Mar 23 by DejR_vu |
CR was appointed on Sir Les's watch. I wouldn't hold out too much hope on that score.
All the time TF is in charge, nothing will change. He lurches from one calamity to the next. He's the Frank Spencer of football chairmen. If he is as committed to QPR as he says he is he should step down as chairman and employ one with genuine football experience and some success at a similar club to ours. There is no reason why an owner needs to be chairman.
If he is to stay as chairman appointing a DoF was a good idea. But I'm not aware LF had any experience in the role or is particularly qualified to do it. His appointment was a PR exercise to deflect attention and keep the fans quiet. |
Les Ferdinand is adequately qualified to his job.
Secondly, we haven't been relegated. What happened to "Whatever the season, we'll follow our team"? talking of giving up season tickets etc. doesn't sound like following your team.
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| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 13:53 - Mar 23 with 2030 views | PinnerPaul |
Don't think it IS worse than last time, not that it really matters one way or the other.
However last time there were clearly players who couldn't give a monkeys and that was made worse by there being players who clearly DID care - squad was split last time and that to me made it seem worse.
This time just think this 25 just isn't good enough.
Pays your money and takes your choice as to whose fault that is, but difficult to argue that isn't the simple truth as to why we are going down IMHO. |  | | |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 14:23 - Mar 23 with 2014 views | DejR_vu |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 13:39 - Mar 23 by Esox_Lucius |
Les Ferdinand is adequately qualified to his job.
Secondly, we haven't been relegated. What happened to "Whatever the season, we'll follow our team"? talking of giving up season tickets etc. doesn't sound like following your team.
Too many people just looking to take a shot at a club you claim to support and looking for negatives in everything that happens. |
I've supported this club for over 40 years. It's in my soul. Didn't mention giving up my season ticket, and I'm still there supporting. For the first time I've used this forum to vent frustration at what's going on.
I genuinely hope I'm totally wrong. But 6 defeats in 7 is disastrous whichever way you cut it. I think it's reasonable to question the people making the decisions. [Post edited 23 Mar 2015 14:30]
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| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 14:51 - Mar 23 with 1991 views | Drewster |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 23:40 - Mar 22 by PunteR |
Because we've made the same mistakes as last time. Inexcusable. |
10 words that completely summarise the season perfectly. |  | | |
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| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 21:02 - Mar 23 with 1919 views | NathanNI |
It's much worse than last time. The groundhog day feel to it is a factor.
But its so much less enjoyable. Even last time out we had some good away trips, this season I has been turgid. I've hardly been near the place, with a season ticket. No way I am going to renew next year. I'm done with it until TF leaves.
He's put more money into the club than all the previous regime's combined (throwaway headline. No proof at all) but he's also irrevocably changed the club more than any other board. We are at best laughed at, at worst despised.
A 30k seater stadium? When a game against Chelsea goes to general sale.
Wise the f*cking Bap.
And for that reason, and the many, many others, I am out. |  | | |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 21:27 - Mar 23 with 1901 views | paulparker |
As others have said its the same mistakes as before which makes this even worse than a couple of years ago
How can you fcuk this up again making the same mistakes , it's a mystery to me
How people can keep a straight face when they say TF is our best chairman is even more laughable,
Fcuk old oak , fcuk the premier league I couldn't give a rats about it
I care about QPR and ever since TF took over its been a disaster and we have been a laughing stock
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| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 21:37 - Mar 23 with 1887 views | loftboy |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 13:39 - Mar 23 by Esox_Lucius |
Les Ferdinand is adequately qualified to his job.
Secondly, we haven't been relegated. What happened to "Whatever the season, we'll follow our team"? talking of giving up season tickets etc. doesn't sound like following your team.
Too many people just looking to take a shot at a club you claim to support and looking for negatives in everything that happens. |
I've been to hundreds of games home and away since the early 80's don't you dare suggest I'm not a true supporter because I've had enough, football (not just qpr) has changed for the worse and beyond recognition from what it was that got me addicted. [Post edited 23 Mar 2015 21:37]
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| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 22:17 - Mar 23 with 1845 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 09:02 - Mar 23 by danehoop |
We have undoubtedly had one of the biggest shytestorms of a seasons I have ever watched. The constant Redknapp lurch from buying all and sundry, failing to address obvious deficiencies whilst avoiding any atempts to be held to account for his managerial shortcomings or player acquistions/disposals. That whole episode has been a hugely frustrating exercise as never has a QPR manager had so much goodwill and resources (unlike Hughes who just had the resources) and squandered them so badly.
I think we have probably had some of the most naive ownership that we have ever had. A big emphasis here is that they are not bad owners or have any ill intent. They just discovered how much of a cesspit football and particulalry the premiership is for the unwary. Probably their biggest failing has been overpromising and underdelivering. Don't tell me about your next manager that you have in mind or plans for future stadiums I am unlikely to sit or waste money on the latest big name from a top club coming to us to top up their pension plan. Get Warren Farm started and I will believe you .
To be honest I am actually taking a lot of positives at this point from your last sentence.
1. I just dont think that the FFP thing is going to bite as others do. The legal basis for massive destructive action simply isnt there and neither the Football League (not materially wealthy organisation) nor QPR really want to fight about it. We will be penalised, but not doomsday scenario.
2. The amount of expensive/substandard players out of contract in the summer does allow for a complete reorganisation and change of approach.
3. For the first time in ages we have the inkling of a long term plan and delivery process in place to deliver it, led by Sir Les and replacement for Beard.
4. I think that there is a definite change of approach from TF in stepping back and letting Sir Les take on a greater role and not spending on next big name or rushing appointments of managers. He can't stop the sound bites on twitter and there will be some with hindsight views on not appointing tactics tim. But need to remember that the squad, facilities and resources inherited with that job are just incomparable to the shambles that we have presently.
5. Next managerial appointment will be the key one and something that the board will need to have early agreement on, as well as the approach that they will take (i.e. hands off and handle through Sir Les).
Perhaps as a QPR fan I am just an uncurable deluded optimist, probably resonsates as the right description for most of us (SOG excluded obviously). I think that there is a possibility to go forward next year and start to build things right for the future. The Championship is a challenging League, but is much more open than most leagues and its possible for many teams to get promoted. I do suspect it will be a more enjoyable experience for most fans though. |
Cheers for that, almost made me optimistic for a second or two.
I'd add that, if we are comparing relegation seasons, last time round I pretty much disliked the team (or much of it.) and this time I don't. It's not Zamora's fault if he's old and being asked to do the job that was obviously earmarked for Remy, it's not Sandro's fault he's injury-prone, it's not Furlong's fault he's inexperienced; whereas Boswinga, Park and Cesar were taking the piss.
I don't agree with the stick Ferdinand is getting from some on this thread for backing Ramsey. The only real alternative at this point in the season was Sherwood and I'm deeply unconvinced by him, especially if he was rejected for demanding a guaranteed salary even if he got us relegated. Ferdinand should have been backed when he was clearly unhappy with Redknapp before the transfer window closed. | | | |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 00:51 - Mar 24 with 1800 views | eccles |
I think it feels worse because I've realised the sheer futility of it all. Really. what's the point?
If you look at our squad on paper, it is at least as strong as the half dozen clubs around us. Even with our front line deficiencies. This squad of players should have been able to survive. Especially this season. Hull and sunderland are shocking, Leicester are just not good enough, Burnley are poor but trying, Villa have had a train wreck of a season.
And our lot have been worse than all of them!
The real futility however is the premier league itself. I've finally wised up to the fact that football has changed from the game I fell in love with forty years ago. Back then, when we lined up against the big boys, we genuinely had a sporting chance against them and every now and then smacked them on the nose. Top London club on quite a few occasions. We are never going to get back to those days. Our fantastic little club will never be able to compete with the money giants that control the game.
Yes, we'll go down and play the lesser teams in the championship, and we'll win a few and lose a few and we'll definitely enjoy it a lot more than this year, but success means coming back to where we are now, being sold the lie that finishing 17th is a good thing. And even if we survive, what then? improving and finishing 16th?
The premier league and sky along with the ludicrous FFP rules, have begun the process of ruining the sport that I loved. Ten years from now, the big six will be the same as now, only richer.
Think about it as you read this. In your lifetime do you ever see qpr winning the premier league? No, of course not. Europe? No again. Not a chance. So what do we call success?
just being a regular in the division? That to me isn't success. That's not an open top bus ride and lifting a trophy. That's being Stoke. well Fck that!
Why does it feel worse this time? because sadly, this is realistically as high as we're going to climb. Knowing that we aren't good enough hurts, but knowing that we'll never be good enough makes me want to give up. |  | | |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 04:29 - Mar 24 with 1770 views | 18StoneOfHoop |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 13:14 - Mar 23 by SpiritofGregory |
Let's hope Les doesn't repeat his first major input in the club - choosing a shit manager. |
"Let's hope Les doesn't repeat his first major input in the club - choosing a shit manager."
Total wind-up disgraceful spit.
Denigrating one man doing his best and a club legend who with 90 goals in 169 games and giving 20k of his own money when we went into admin,shows already that he's done enough for us many times over before taking on this tricky DoF role that you can do no courses for,or pass any degrees..you have to learn on the job empirically. He started the job on February 4th. I would have thought a real QPR fan might cut Sir Les more than 47 days slack. Also LF factually didn't appoint CR,TF did.
Despicable post.  
What a pathetic constantly negative griping pathetic black hole shill of a poster and poor excuse for an R's fan you are. A poster without any illuminating or amusing insight whatsoever..how I'd love you to sod off. I suppose a delightful strong lofty pine tree can exist even with ivy parasite succubus sucking the life out of it.
I find it revealing that you give away sod all about yourself - except apparently being jewish, but not in a fun way like Mark Lazarus - unlike open,nothing-to-hide decent,funny or fantastical posters such as Ted,Juzzie and Holloway Mitty - you can see the real person behind their posts over the years,unlike the more never-give-much-away typical troll style of behaviour. I was not at all surprised there was no SoG contribution on the brilliant "what do you do for a living?" thread last year. We know foo kall about her as much now - except gender according to North - as we did 4/5 years ago.
I try and practise a live and let live type of attitude and refrain from putting a thumbs down for 97% of SoG's posts as I'm tempted. Keeps chip,chip,drop,drop little barky mirthless diet of cliche shyte - "it's all about money" "Why can't we be more like Burnley"  "Bring in Steve Pressley" gets to me, until I bite. Big deal. Tant pis. C'est la vie. The poor and the trolls are always with us, I s'pose.
Charlie Austin on Les from 22nd March Sunday Times profile:
{speaking of how Howe and Dyche try and get a better hold-up game out of him}
"Here at QPR,Les Ferdinand [on the management staff] has been brilliant at how to get down the side of defenders."
It's a big,tough diverse vital job of many parts but one thing's for sure our local boy from Barandon Walk,Lancaster west,North Ken will be giving it his all.
Wish you'd copulate elsewhere and expire,shoddy old girl.
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| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 08:03 - Mar 24 with 1712 views | johnhoop |
I don't think for me it necessarily feels worse than the last one. In a lot of ways that was harder to take because a number of the players clearly didn't give a sh-t about it. It's just the cumulative nature of it, like some footballing version of Groundhog Day that makes it so utterly dispiriting.
The first season after that amazing promotion in 2011 we screwed up really badly and we were as good as down but dragged ourselves back from the dead with that amazing run of home games, based on Warnock's promotion team plus Cisse. And then somehow came out of that Apocalyptic last day at Man City still in the division.
Hughesless said we'd never be in that position again and of course we weren't-we proceeded to f--k things up even more totally than the previous season and were down without a whimper by early April.
Then amazingly, despite playing some of the most boring football you're ever likely to see and with an enormous slice of good fortune at the end, we somehow manage to get back at the first attempt. So we're given a third chance of making a go of it in the top division.
And what do we do? Yep you guessed it. We f--k it up just as badly as the last time and end up with the likelihood that once again we'll be all but mathematically relegated with about 6 games left to go.(Anyone who thinks we're suddenly going to win 5 out of the last 8 to save ourselves has to be away with the fairies).
And as Chubbs has said above, next season is unlikely to be the kind of boring but ultimately successful one we had last time. Those who are glad to be back in the Championship might not feel the same way in 6 months time if we are in the same position as Fulham or Wigan.And with hardly any players left and quite possibly no money to replace them I would think that scenario is far more probable than us doing a Bournemouth or Brentford. | | | |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 08:04 - Mar 24 with 1591 views | YorkRanger |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 04:29 - Mar 24 by 18StoneOfHoop |
"Let's hope Les doesn't repeat his first major input in the club - choosing a shit manager."
Total wind-up disgraceful spit.
Denigrating one man doing his best and a club legend who with 90 goals in 169 games and giving 20k of his own money when we went into admin,shows already that he's done enough for us many times over before taking on this tricky DoF role that you can do no courses for,or pass any degrees..you have to learn on the job empirically. He started the job on February 4th. I would have thought a real QPR fan might cut Sir Les more than 47 days slack. Also LF factually didn't appoint CR,TF did.
Despicable post.
What a pathetic constantly negative griping pathetic black hole shill of a poster and poor excuse for an R's fan you are. A poster without any illuminating or amusing insight whatsoever..how I'd love you to sod off. I suppose a delightful strong lofty pine tree can exist even with ivy parasite succubus sucking the life out of it.
I find it revealing that you give away sod all about yourself - except apparently being jewish, but not in a fun way like Mark Lazarus - unlike open,nothing-to-hide decent,funny or fantastical posters such as Ted,Juzzie and Holloway Mitty - you can see the real person behind their posts over the years,unlike the more never-give-much-away typical troll style of behaviour. I was not at all surprised there was no SoG contribution on the brilliant "what do you do for a living?" thread last year. We know foo kall about her as much now - except gender according to North - as we did 4/5 years ago.
I try and practise a live and let live type of attitude and refrain from putting a thumbs down for 97% of SoG's posts as I'm tempted. Keeps chip,chip,drop,drop little barky mirthless diet of cliche shyte - "it's all about money" "Why can't we be more like Burnley" "Bring in Steve Pressley" gets to me, until I bite. Big deal. Tant pis. C'est la vie. The poor and the trolls are always with us, I s'pose.
Charlie Austin on Les from 22nd March Sunday Times profile:
{speaking of how Howe and Dyche try and get a better hold-up game out of him}
"Here at QPR,Les Ferdinand [on the management staff] has been brilliant at how to get down the side of defenders."
It's a big,tough diverse vital job of many parts but one thing's for sure our local boy from Barandon Walk,Lancaster west,North Ken will be giving it his all.
Wish you'd copulate elsewhere and expire,shoddy old girl.
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The problem is there are plenty of people clever with hindsight. SOG is one of those.
Ramsey was a gamble, but it was a calculated one. For whatever reason other options were not available (and nobody on here knows why that is). Margins are fine, but as referenced in The Times match report yesterday the team isnt quite good enough and that isn't Ramsey's fault. Had we not conceded late goals against Hull and Southampton and been given the Stone Wall penalties against Spurs we could have had another 5 points and would people have been moaning about ramsey then - perhaps not?
On the troll business that is quite interesting and sadly an indictment of the social media world we live in. I have a pseudonym like everyone else, but have talked openly about where I live, came from and what I do - anyone who is bothered can work out easily who I am and why not. I have nothing to hide and have nothing to fear from anyone and nor should/would anyone fear me.... |  | | |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 08:31 - Mar 24 with 1579 views | Discodroids |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 13:39 - Mar 23 by Esox_Lucius |
Les Ferdinand is adequately qualified to his job.
Secondly, we haven't been relegated. What happened to "Whatever the season, we'll follow our team"? talking of giving up season tickets etc. doesn't sound like following your team.
Too many people just looking to take a shot at a club you claim to support and looking for negatives in everything that happens. |
fk me mte, if some one puts burning shit through my letterbox dont tell me its the readers digest.
ive been rangers since sid vicious was laying his egyptian death mask on nacy spungen .
if think its a crock of shit i call it out.
its worse because weve been here before and the absentee landlord thinks he can sate the great proleteriat placated with a round of drinks and nobbys nuts served up by eastern european fem doms in the springbok.
like fuk .
fernandes should return to the sofa with avid merrion with a 3inch semi popping out at the sound of an emily bunton fanny fart.
and you didnt have to be on the end of a triffids sting to realise that appointing ian duncan smith on mandrax was a cheap option to install a puppet manager to take the fall while meglomaniac colnel kurtz lies low in his foxhole tweeting pictures of english russet apples on his wrist.
and btw SOG.. You carry on old son, if i want a message board where everyone agrees with everyone else, i'll move to a quiet coastal village where women fall pregnant under a shooting star and 9 months later give birth to blond haired blue eyed hyper beings that can unravel the mysteries of time and chris ramseys substitutions, much to the chagrin of the local poplus. [Post edited 24 Mar 2015 8:48]
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| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 08:58 - Mar 24 with 1550 views | WokingR |
I know there are a number on here who you'd expect nothing but a negative from but the rest of you have extremely short memories.
Are you forgetting the likes of Bosingwa, Park or Granero?
The type of players who wouldn't lift a finger to help the club unless there was something in it for them
At least when we go down this time it will be with a bit more fight.
How can you expect the players to battle on when half of you have already thrown in the towel. |  | | |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 10:09 - Mar 24 with 1508 views | daveB |
For me it feels similar to 95/96 season in that the players are likable in the main, they try their best every week but are just narrowly falling short.
In 2001 and 2013 we had obvious scapegoats in managers, owners and awful teams with horrible players. Easy to hate those sides write them off and start again but this time like in 1996 it's hard to point the finger at one person.
The players all try, some could be better but it's not a lack of effort more daft mistakes and in some cases just not being good enough.OK SWP is an easy target to hate but not as if he's played much this season.
Fernandes has got a lot wrong and the buck ultimately stops with him but he's kind of done everything asked of him. When he came in the cry was stick with managers and back them, he did that. Invest in youth, he did that with Rigg coming in as Director of football to sort that out and now Ferdinand and Ramsey. We called for more coaching to be done and more kids to play, he's done that and we're still shit.
Overall his recruitment of key staff has been pretty poor and shows no signs of improving.
We've got redknapp who certainly would have been the big fall guy had he stayed, he did plenty wrong and ultimately should be the one to carry the can for the state of the squad but the argument in his final weeks were it would be so much better with anyone else as they would get more from the players and giving youth a chance would freshen it up. Sadly that's not proved to be the case and we don't really look any better now than we did a few months ago despite some valiant performances. I think if he had stayed the results wouldn't have been a great deal different. It was certainly right for him to go but for me I don't feel as angry about him as others do, he did some good and some bad for us and we'll see next season that getting promoted isn't easy and for him to put together a team that came straight back up was an underrated achievement.
Long road ahead to come back. It can be done if we have a good summer and get the right manager and balance of players in but I'm not sure we're going to get it right this time. I can see us going too far the other way in terms of only signing kids and it all going tits up. |  | | |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 10:20 - Mar 24 with 1496 views | PinnerPaul |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 10:09 - Mar 24 by daveB |
For me it feels similar to 95/96 season in that the players are likable in the main, they try their best every week but are just narrowly falling short.
In 2001 and 2013 we had obvious scapegoats in managers, owners and awful teams with horrible players. Easy to hate those sides write them off and start again but this time like in 1996 it's hard to point the finger at one person.
The players all try, some could be better but it's not a lack of effort more daft mistakes and in some cases just not being good enough.OK SWP is an easy target to hate but not as if he's played much this season.
Fernandes has got a lot wrong and the buck ultimately stops with him but he's kind of done everything asked of him. When he came in the cry was stick with managers and back them, he did that. Invest in youth, he did that with Rigg coming in as Director of football to sort that out and now Ferdinand and Ramsey. We called for more coaching to be done and more kids to play, he's done that and we're still shit.
Overall his recruitment of key staff has been pretty poor and shows no signs of improving.
We've got redknapp who certainly would have been the big fall guy had he stayed, he did plenty wrong and ultimately should be the one to carry the can for the state of the squad but the argument in his final weeks were it would be so much better with anyone else as they would get more from the players and giving youth a chance would freshen it up. Sadly that's not proved to be the case and we don't really look any better now than we did a few months ago despite some valiant performances. I think if he had stayed the results wouldn't have been a great deal different. It was certainly right for him to go but for me I don't feel as angry about him as others do, he did some good and some bad for us and we'll see next season that getting promoted isn't easy and for him to put together a team that came straight back up was an underrated achievement.
Long road ahead to come back. It can be done if we have a good summer and get the right manager and balance of players in but I'm not sure we're going to get it right this time. I can see us going too far the other way in terms of only signing kids and it all going tits up. |
Spot on Dave - apart from the last bit which is of course guesswork.
Assuming fine isn't draconian and the owners don't walk away, we'll still , thanks to parachute payments, be in a strong position to challenge next season - it won't be easy - its a 46 game season and everyone (myself included) thought Derby would walk the league for example - but no reason why we can't be competitive next season.
Easy in a relegation season, to predict the end of the world as we know it, but rarely does it turn out to be as bad as that - not unknown though - Leeds, Coventry, Fulham, Wigan, Portsmouth I accept show it can be the start of a rocky road.
My prediction? -Play offs again for us- looking forward to Wembley already!  | | | |
| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 10:24 - Mar 24 with 1489 views | SomersetHoops |
For me its very sad to see QPR in such a state again. It makes it worse that Redknapp was able to leave us in the crap having accepted none of the responsibility for the disaster he caused. Fernandes is wisely keeping quiet about football at the moment and I hope that means he is accepting his massive part in the terrible situation his mismanagement has caused.
The bigger problem for me is how everyone is now on Les and Chris Ramsey's back blaming them for the situation that they have very little control over. Les has had very little opportunity to do his job as DOF when he was only appointed to that position after RedKnapp had gone and the transfer window was shut. Perhaps Ramsey is not going to be our long term manager, but he has a lot to offer our club next season when we may have an intake of players that need decent coaching and CR can offer that. The system of Les as DOF means we have someone who knows football in a football management position and the club needs that. I'm sure Les was involved in the appointment of CR as manager, but that was at a time when the owners were having to shell out 60 mil. (admittedly for their own mistakes) and had decided to spend no more money this season. In those circumstances and at that time what other options were there? Who knows, if CR had taken over a decent squad he may have been the best manager for ages, but it seems no amount of coaching can make what is left of our squad, after the injuries we've had, up to the job required. That isn't Ramsey's fault, although he has apparently made some tactical errors, we don't know the fitness and attitude levels of the players he's stuck with, so I think its unfair to lay much of the blame for our recent dire results with him.
We as football supporters should make it our job to let everyone know what a bloody awful job Redknapp has done for us this season, so his a*s* licking journalists can't get away with making him look any kind of hero |  |
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| Why Does It seem Worse This Time? on 20:36 - Mar 24 with 1405 views | BklynRanger |
It does feel worse this time, I think. Partly because, as others have said, we're making most of the same mistakes again.
The thing I find even more frustrating is the fact that we were so lucky to find ourselves back in the Premier League again. Well, ok, it's mainly completely shit being here, but anyway, to be offered that so suddenly on a sunny afternoon in May and then spend all winter pissing it up the wall is very nearly soul destroying.
My respect to all who have attended and witnessed this in the flesh all season. I didn't even see the last two games - one because I refused to experience the standard 3 hours of post-match gloom on my wife's birthday and the other because I'd no signal, thank fcuk. |  | | |
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