| Dave Mc on Twitter 19:21 - Aug 19 with 34840 views | Rangersw12 |
Is it me or has this appointment got disaster written all over it [Post edited 19 Aug 2018 19:22]
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| Dave Mc on Twitter on 14:04 - Aug 20 with 3520 views | ridethewave |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 12:50 - Aug 20 by PunteR |
Precisely. We're supposed to have a DoF and a clear plan and strategy to get our club back on our feet. This plan looked like it was put in place since LF came in.
Since then we still have had 5 different managers with what seems different approaches and ability to the game. Without wanting to retread old debates on the Ollie sacking the appointment of MacClaren and his subsequent appproach to the team looks like MacClaren didnt read the memo.
Of course MacClaren can turn it round and im not suggesting he should be sacked but if i was him i would be looking at what worked for Ollie and improve on that. Coming in and trying to completey change things clearly isnt working. |
"...if i was him i would be looking at what worked for Ollie and improve on that."
Trouble is, not even Ollie knew what worked for Ollie. How's anyone else supposed to figure it out? |  | | |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 14:06 - Aug 20 with 3513 views | PinnerPaul |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 13:58 - Aug 20 by PunteR |
Hysterical panicking..? |
Hysterical spelling as well - sorry! | | | |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 14:15 - Aug 20 with 3463 views | PunteR |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 14:06 - Aug 20 by PinnerPaul |
Hysterical spelling as well - sorry! |
Ha.. i wasnt questioning your spelling mate. Im not the grammer police. 
I dont think fans on here are being hysterical. Like i said before there is genuine issues and concerns that need to be addressed.
Tough times ahead and unfortunately im not confident that the owners will make the right decisions again. Call me hysterical if you like mate but thats just how i feel. |  |
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| Dave Mc on Twitter on 14:16 - Aug 20 with 3452 views | WestbourneR |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 13:53 - Aug 20 by Northernr |
I'm usually the one saying give time, manager not the problem, can't keep sacking managers etc etc but we need to see big things in the two home games this week or I'd be inclined to agree. |
And I admit I'm often bleating for someone new - I did with Ollie until he switched to 4 at the back - but in this case there are very clear signs that the team has major major issues under McLaren. Zero backbone, totally unrealistic playing objectives. A soft underbelly would be a understatement. He's just totally the wrong man at the wrong time. |  |
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| Dave Mc on Twitter on 14:36 - Aug 20 with 3351 views | daveB |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 14:16 - Aug 20 by WestbourneR |
And I admit I'm often bleating for someone new - I did with Ollie until he switched to 4 at the back - but in this case there are very clear signs that the team has major major issues under McLaren. Zero backbone, totally unrealistic playing objectives. A soft underbelly would be a understatement. He's just totally the wrong man at the wrong time. |
My big worry when the whole back 3/4 thing was going on was that we'd be too wide open with a back 4. Holloway did the change quite well in that he rotated the wide players and in some games used Manning on the left so we still have strength in midfield and Freeman could still go where he wanted.
What McClaren has done so far is play with no width leaving the full backs with no protection at all, completely nullify the midfield 3 so they can't press high up the pitch where they are strong and end up trying to play triangles in their own half and we have a defence with gaps all over the place that any team with good movement will exploit.
It's a bit of a mess really. In the short term to fix this I'd bring Pawel in to play on the right as he can offer width and has work rate to help Kakay out. Play Smyth on the left and just ask him to play with tons of energy and get in peoples faces. Have Scowen and Luongo work together as a midfield 2 with Freeman or Eze given licence to support whoever is up front. That would mean dropping Eze or Freeman to the bench which would be unpopular but the team has no balance at all at the moment so someone has to sit out. |  | | |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 14:45 - Aug 20 with 3297 views | Gloucs_R |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 14:36 - Aug 20 by daveB |
My big worry when the whole back 3/4 thing was going on was that we'd be too wide open with a back 4. Holloway did the change quite well in that he rotated the wide players and in some games used Manning on the left so we still have strength in midfield and Freeman could still go where he wanted.
What McClaren has done so far is play with no width leaving the full backs with no protection at all, completely nullify the midfield 3 so they can't press high up the pitch where they are strong and end up trying to play triangles in their own half and we have a defence with gaps all over the place that any team with good movement will exploit.
It's a bit of a mess really. In the short term to fix this I'd bring Pawel in to play on the right as he can offer width and has work rate to help Kakay out. Play Smyth on the left and just ask him to play with tons of energy and get in peoples faces. Have Scowen and Luongo work together as a midfield 2 with Freeman or Eze given licence to support whoever is up front. That would mean dropping Eze or Freeman to the bench which would be unpopular but the team has no balance at all at the moment so someone has to sit out. |
Agree that 4231 works for us. No reason we shouldn't be using this formation.
Personally I would start Lumley, BOS, Pav and Baptiste against Bristol. |  |
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| Dave Mc on Twitter on 15:01 - Aug 20 with 3220 views | Mytch_QPR |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 14:36 - Aug 20 by daveB |
My big worry when the whole back 3/4 thing was going on was that we'd be too wide open with a back 4. Holloway did the change quite well in that he rotated the wide players and in some games used Manning on the left so we still have strength in midfield and Freeman could still go where he wanted.
What McClaren has done so far is play with no width leaving the full backs with no protection at all, completely nullify the midfield 3 so they can't press high up the pitch where they are strong and end up trying to play triangles in their own half and we have a defence with gaps all over the place that any team with good movement will exploit.
It's a bit of a mess really. In the short term to fix this I'd bring Pawel in to play on the right as he can offer width and has work rate to help Kakay out. Play Smyth on the left and just ask him to play with tons of energy and get in peoples faces. Have Scowen and Luongo work together as a midfield 2 with Freeman or Eze given licence to support whoever is up front. That would mean dropping Eze or Freeman to the bench which would be unpopular but the team has no balance at all at the moment so someone has to sit out. |
Makes sense - I'd be putting your CV in. Your club needs you.
Can't make tomorrow so first game of the season for me is Wigan - I hope that Tues brings at least a draw and that the atmosphere isn't totally toxic by Saturday.
On a serious note - does anyone have any sensible suggestions at this stage about a replacement for SM if it comes to it? |  |
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| Dave Mc on Twitter on 15:06 - Aug 20 with 3195 views | bosh67 |
We had Manning, we have Pav, Samuel, Chair and Smyth as flying wingers and yet again a manager comes here and plays narrow. It's one of our historical ways of playing with out and out wingers. What don't the last clutch of managers get about that? How are Sylla, Smith etc supposed to score if there is no wide service. Far too predictable and containable as it stands. |  |
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| Dave Mc on Twitter on 15:12 - Aug 20 with 3158 views | CamberleyR |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 14:36 - Aug 20 by daveB |
My big worry when the whole back 3/4 thing was going on was that we'd be too wide open with a back 4. Holloway did the change quite well in that he rotated the wide players and in some games used Manning on the left so we still have strength in midfield and Freeman could still go where he wanted.
What McClaren has done so far is play with no width leaving the full backs with no protection at all, completely nullify the midfield 3 so they can't press high up the pitch where they are strong and end up trying to play triangles in their own half and we have a defence with gaps all over the place that any team with good movement will exploit.
It's a bit of a mess really. In the short term to fix this I'd bring Pawel in to play on the right as he can offer width and has work rate to help Kakay out. Play Smyth on the left and just ask him to play with tons of energy and get in peoples faces. Have Scowen and Luongo work together as a midfield 2 with Freeman or Eze given licence to support whoever is up front. That would mean dropping Eze or Freeman to the bench which would be unpopular but the team has no balance at all at the moment so someone has to sit out. |
"That would mean dropping Eze or Freeman to the bench which would be unpopular but the team has no balance at all at the moment so someone has to sit out"
Which is basically what I was saying a week or so ago and was shot down by people saying "Freeman and Eze can switch positions and both can cause the oppo problems" when I was questioning both Eze and Freeman both being in the starting XI.
I said then that you'd have thought McClaren would have learnt from his England days with Sven that trying to shoehorn your best players into the starting XI ala Lampard/Gerrard does not always make the best TEAM.
Like Alf Ramsey did with England all those years ago, pick a formation and pick the BEST players to play in the positions in that formation no matter if it means one of your supposed better players sitting it out. To use the Ramsey analogy, most people would have said Jimmy Greaves was a better player than Geoff Hurst but Hurst better suited the formation and tactics Ramsey wanted to play. |  |
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| Dave Mc on Twitter on 15:20 - Aug 20 with 3099 views | daveB |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 15:12 - Aug 20 by CamberleyR |
"That would mean dropping Eze or Freeman to the bench which would be unpopular but the team has no balance at all at the moment so someone has to sit out"
Which is basically what I was saying a week or so ago and was shot down by people saying "Freeman and Eze can switch positions and both can cause the oppo problems" when I was questioning both Eze and Freeman both being in the starting XI.
I said then that you'd have thought McClaren would have learnt from his England days with Sven that trying to shoehorn your best players into the starting XI ala Lampard/Gerrard does not always make the best TEAM.
Like Alf Ramsey did with England all those years ago, pick a formation and pick the BEST players to play in the positions in that formation no matter if it means one of your supposed better players sitting it out. To use the Ramsey analogy, most people would have said Jimmy Greaves was a better player than Geoff Hurst but Hurst better suited the formation and tactics Ramsey wanted to play. |
They can both play together but not in this current set up which is shambolic | | | |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 15:27 - Aug 20 with 3050 views | CamberleyR |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 15:20 - Aug 20 by daveB |
They can both play together but not in this current set up which is shambolic |
So what formation would they both be able to play together in? Terry Venables fabled England Christmas tree 4-3-2-1 formation? That surely needs the full backs to overlap and provide the width though. | |
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| Dave Mc on Twitter on 15:33 - Aug 20 with 3035 views | OldPedro |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 23:27 - Aug 19 by lave16 |
What's the chances we sack an x England, x Ireland and x Wales manager by May I.e McLaren, McCarthy and Coleman and have a Lawrie Sanchez and Gordon Strachan double act at the end of the season just to cover every one of the home nations. [Post edited 19 Aug 2018 23:28]
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We sacked Mark Hughes - he was an ex-Wales manager, so that one already done :-) |  |
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| Dave Mc on Twitter on 19:01 - Aug 20 with 2763 views | baz_qpr |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 14:45 - Aug 20 by Gloucs_R |
Agree that 4231 works for us. No reason we shouldn't be using this formation.
Personally I would start Lumley, BOS, Pav and Baptiste against Bristol. |
I disagree we don't have the midfield (playmaker or destroyer) or the solidity at the back or the centre forward to play it. I wish we did as I prefer it and Warnock played it exactly how its meant to be with the right players in the right positions. We would be better of going to 4-3-3 to get the best out of what we do have |  | | |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 19:06 - Aug 20 with 2740 views | baz_qpr |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 13:59 - Aug 20 by jonno |
We couldn't keep the same squad though, could we? We couldn't afford to under FFP. |
At least 2 players took it out of our hands though, reminds me of when Waddock and Macca started the season with a totally new back 4 and introduced Zonal marking to boot. You've got to get lucky to cope with losing two of your best defenders one with pace the other with the ability to pass, and replace with German stopper without any of those characteristics Not to mention losing your keeper who is probably worth an extra 6 points a season [Post edited 20 Aug 2018 19:10]
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| Dave Mc on Twitter (n/t) on 23:47 - Aug 20 with 2379 views | Hooped_Pullie |
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| Dave Mc on Twitter on 00:05 - Aug 21 with 2352 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Dave Mc on Twitter (n/t) on 23:47 - Aug 20 by Hooped_Pullie |
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Ffs.
Seriously?
Some people played badly in one game. Have you performed to the best of your ability every day of your working life? Do you think its appropriate to link a bad performance to a genuine tragedy?
Ffs. Yes please. Do keep us informed of the response you rightly will not get.
Sorry to be harsh, but this is distasteful - and that’s putting it kindly. |  |
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| Dave Mc on Twitter on 00:25 - Aug 21 with 2330 views | Hooped_Pullie |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 00:05 - Aug 21 by Antti_Heinola |
Ffs.
Seriously?
Some people played badly in one game. Have you performed to the best of your ability every day of your working life? Do you think its appropriate to link a bad performance to a genuine tragedy?
Ffs. Yes please. Do keep us informed of the response you rightly will not get.
Sorry to be harsh, but this is distasteful - and that’s putting it kindly. |
Before you get on your high horse, a few facts - the money those players could send would make a genuine difference to what is an awful situation. If a wealthy chairman is going to retweet an appeal to his followers, which because of his position will include a lot of people in this country who may not have as much to give as he does, I believe it's fair to suggest a way of maximising donations. Footballers have more than most.
You may find the juxtaposition of sport and tragedy not to your liking. That's up to you. What you don't know is that I have worked all my life, in my own time, for charitable causes of many kinds. Be quick to judge, if you will, but don't claim the moral high ground over someone you don't know. There's enough stupidity in the world as it is. | | | |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 03:14 - Aug 21 with 2207 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 15:12 - Aug 20 by CamberleyR |
"That would mean dropping Eze or Freeman to the bench which would be unpopular but the team has no balance at all at the moment so someone has to sit out"
Which is basically what I was saying a week or so ago and was shot down by people saying "Freeman and Eze can switch positions and both can cause the oppo problems" when I was questioning both Eze and Freeman both being in the starting XI.
I said then that you'd have thought McClaren would have learnt from his England days with Sven that trying to shoehorn your best players into the starting XI ala Lampard/Gerrard does not always make the best TEAM.
Like Alf Ramsey did with England all those years ago, pick a formation and pick the BEST players to play in the positions in that formation no matter if it means one of your supposed better players sitting it out. To use the Ramsey analogy, most people would have said Jimmy Greaves was a better player than Geoff Hurst but Hurst better suited the formation and tactics Ramsey wanted to play. |
While I totally agree with you about picking the best side you can from the players you have, I'm not sure you're totally correct about Jimmy Greaves.
Greaves played in the three group games, getting injured in the final match. Hurst came in for the quarter-final, scored, and SAR decided to stick with that starting XI. |  |
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| Dave Mc on Twitter on 05:20 - Aug 21 with 2150 views | barbicanranger |
Just got through reading all of this thread...
And, I would like to say...hats off to the vast majority of you, in the face of despair and inevitable doom, you have still managed to have a sense of humour. Some very funny posts.
We are QPR, this is what we do. |  | | |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 07:20 - Aug 21 with 2046 views | CamberleyR |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 03:14 - Aug 21 by PlanetHonneywood |
While I totally agree with you about picking the best side you can from the players you have, I'm not sure you're totally correct about Jimmy Greaves.
Greaves played in the three group games, getting injured in the final match. Hurst came in for the quarter-final, scored, and SAR decided to stick with that starting XI. |
From reading about him, especially in his excellent biography by Leo McKinstry, Ramsey was never really convinced about Greaves, brilliant goalscorer though he was. He probably felt he had to pick him to keep the press off his back.
It's significant that post World Cup he only played another three times and was finished as an international footballer at 27 in the prime of his career. | |
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| Dave Mc on Twitter on 07:57 - Aug 21 with 1941 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Dave Mc on Twitter (n/t) on 23:47 - Aug 20 by Hooped_Pullie |
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Yeh, that will help.
You seriously did that? |  | | |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 08:12 - Aug 21 with 1895 views | TheChef |
Have to admit I'm confused by the whole thing now.
Has Mclaren been allowed to tear up the blueprint of developing our younger players and working with the squad as it is (more or less)?
If he wants to attract only players that he knows (...) how does this work in the confines of FFP and where is our money coming from?
Where does this leave the likes of Ferdinand and Penrice who appear to have been completely overruled? |  |
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| Dave Mc on Twitter on 08:23 - Aug 21 with 1852 views | Hooped_Pullie |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 07:57 - Aug 21 by CroydonCaptJack |
Yeh, that will help.
You seriously did that? |
No, in the end I didn't tweet to that effect, because it was clear that my intentions and emphasis would be totally misread, and despite the fact that I wanted to see some decent money go to the appeal, people were instead taking offence.
No good can come of that, so as someone who's devoted a large amount of time to raising money for good causes, I'll be publicising the appeal in other ways. | | | |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 08:37 - Aug 21 with 1788 views | jonno |
| Dave Mc on Twitter on 19:06 - Aug 20 by baz_qpr |
At least 2 players took it out of our hands though, reminds me of when Waddock and Macca started the season with a totally new back 4 and introduced Zonal marking to boot. You've got to get lucky to cope with losing two of your best defenders one with pace the other with the ability to pass, and replace with German stopper without any of those characteristics Not to mention losing your keeper who is probably worth an extra 6 points a season [Post edited 20 Aug 2018 19:10]
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Well it's aways possible that Onuoha may have re-signed if offered the same money? Robinson also. The point is that, under FFP, we can no longer pay the going rate for defenders that enable us to be competitive at our current level. That's how it appears at any rate. That will also apply to other positions and so an inevitable decline will take place unless we can continually unearth equally good players who are prepared to play for less money, or develop youngsters very quickly who we can sell on at a big profit. Both those scenarios seem to be pretty unlikely. |  | | |
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