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Being unkind to owners, because they know nothing about football, read far too much into his time at the club and are too easily sweet-talked (because they know nothing about football). Being kind to them, because an even-tempered coach was required and SM is seen as that.
It was somewhere in the middle. SM happy to take on role of coaching young squad but wanted a bit of experience (fair enough) and while in theory understood financial restrictions maybe didn't appreciate how relatively expensive it is just to get Champ players these days.
No it was because Holloway's a child and they needed an adult at this difficult time. That does still make it a bold call and one you have to justify by making a good appointment though.
Dave Mc on Twitter on 11:18 - Aug 20 by aston_hoop
Didn't McClaren walk away from the Forest job when it turned out the squad was dreadful and so was he? No point in getting rid, he'll walk himself anyway! We are definitely under the mistaken impression at QPR though that managers with their reputation still intact would like to come to QPR and have it ruined!
Has to be some disconnect between the manager and the board though - what was discussed when he took the job, surely we made him aware of the limitations of the squad and what we might afford to bring new players in? Has he he just ignored all of that?
Has the Championship changed that much in his absence? Maybe it has in terms of clubs and finances, and that we are one of the teams up against it.
Anyway I'm sure the penny is dropping now, and like you say if it seems more trouble than it's worth to him then he'll head off himself.
Has to be some disconnect between the manager and the board though - what was discussed when he took the job, surely we made him aware of the limitations of the squad and what we might afford to bring new players in? Has he he just ignored all of that?
Has the Championship changed that much in his absence? Maybe it has in terms of clubs and finances, and that we are one of the teams up against it.
Anyway I'm sure the penny is dropping now, and like you say if it seems more trouble than it's worth to him then he'll head off himself.
It took 2 weeks to sign him up, you would think he was fully informed or they lied.
He looked like he had just got the death sentence in the photos of him becoming manager.
If there really is a conflict between Ferdinand and McLaren about the type of players we want/need to bring in, then we are in deep sh1t.
I understand that the club needs to rely on young, hungry players and will need to mix that with some experienced pros. Consequently I can understand why we went for Rangel and why we are going for Hemed or Martin (one, not both), preferably the former. But I cannot understand the need for Routledge or Thorne when the crying need is an experienced CB. We surely cannot afford 4 players on loan, esp if there isn't a defender included.
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Dave Mc on Twitter on 11:43 - Aug 20 with 3133 views
Just my opinion Steve McClaren is better at being a number 2. Or better at just the coaching side. Chris Ramsey was the same.
Don't see how we can possibly get rid of him. Next two games are vital ( as are most).
The longer we go on and lose, chances of loan signings will diminish. We have 11 days left to show potential strikers, its worth coming to us to play, rather than sitting on the bench. It will be struggle and some players may not fancy it.
I think it's going to get much worse before it gets better, or...Saturdays result may jump start our season....
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Dave Mc on Twitter on 11:51 - Aug 20 with 3080 views
Just my opinion Steve McClaren is better at being a number 2. Or better at just the coaching side. Chris Ramsey was the same.
Don't see how we can possibly get rid of him. Next two games are vital ( as are most).
The longer we go on and lose, chances of loan signings will diminish. We have 11 days left to show potential strikers, its worth coming to us to play, rather than sitting on the bench. It will be struggle and some players may not fancy it.
I think it's going to get much worse before it gets better, or...Saturdays result may jump start our season....
Why does it take Managers so long to realise that a system doesn't work when the fans can work it out after a couple of games. Holloway with his stupid 3 at the back and MacLaren with his stupid play it out from the back.
Listen, this is the hand we've dealt ourselves, I don't believe sacking the manager will change anything as it never has in the past and we can't buy anyone anyway so unless he has a magic wand, we're going to have to stay on board the sinking ship until we're all completely wet through. I'll be clutching my Cognac as we go.
Look on the plus side, there's some decent matches to be had in League 1 next season. AFC Wimbledon, Charlton, Fleetwood Mac, Donnie, and err Shrewsbury to name just a few! Sure this season will suck like hell but next season's gonna be dope.
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Dave Mc on Twitter on 11:59 - Aug 20 with 3029 views
Why does it take Managers so long to realise that a system doesn't work when the fans can work it out after a couple of games. Holloway with his stupid 3 at the back and MacLaren with his stupid play it out from the back.
Come on! its 4 games. Perhaps he thought it was starting to gel against Peterborough. Then you come up against a PL quality attack on their good day.
The 'trouble' with a new manager, whoever it is, they tend to start afresh with their own ideas and things you thought were established fact - like Washout is a crap Championship striker - need to be relearned all over again. It is a good reason not to keep changing your manager and team.
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Dave Mc on Twitter on 12:02 - Aug 20 with 3011 views
Look, I like Dave Mc but I seem to have missed the memo about him joining QPRs' board. He cannot have a full picture of what is going on, that is physically impossible. He has more insight than us, and that insight can be useful to fans, but it is limited and it is dangerous to latch onto scraps of information and start drawing major conclusions from them.
It can't be often that someone starts a high profile and important role in an organisation and immediately gets on with all the other senior execs and adopts an identical approach. There are going to be disagreements, disputes and teething problems. It's normal.
The good news is that having a director of football means that - in theory at least - it should not be possible for a manager to come in and hijack the club's strategy.
The other thing we *must* bear in mind is that even when we were in the Prem and everything (for a very short while) looked rosy, we were never the most attractive club to join for coaches, managers or players. Now we have received a very public (and unfair) reprimand for breaching FFP, making us even less appealing. If we now sack McClaren after a handful of games, what sort of a manager, what sort of players are we going to attract? Barring people with a Rangers background, they will inevitably be poor ones, desperate ones, utter mercenaries, the people no other club would take.
We are on a terrible run of form (in the league) and we were humbled on Saturday but we need to get a grip or this club we become even more of a basket case than it already is.
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Dave Mc on Twitter on 12:29 - Aug 20 with 2862 views
- We were always at risk of a tonking (not that fcuking big, I know) - We have the rest of the structure (Les, Lee, Amit etc) in place and I very much doubt we'll sacrifice that work at this point (Shirley?!) - McLaren may be struggling with the realities but that's not the same as walking, not yet - You'd have to believe that we'll improve that defence before the loan window slams shut.
We're currently in a world of shit but there has to be a couple of straws left.
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Dave Mc on Twitter on 12:45 - Aug 20 with 2780 views
Why does it take Managers so long to realise that a system doesn't work when the fans can work it out after a couple of games. Holloway with his stupid 3 at the back and MacLaren with his stupid play it out from the back.
And yet, I read many call for the halcyon days of three at the back.
I read someone on here - might have been CW's article on the WBA game - that a manager should go with what they've got. Citing Warnock's QPR as being totally different in style to his Cardiff.
That's it really! You got two big lumps up top and two tricksters on the wings, you'd be daft trying to play wing-backs and through the middle.
Right now we do not have a keeper like City's and four Beckenbauers to play it around at the back. In many ways, I have no problem Steve having a look at that, but if its clearly not working and clearly something uncomfortable for the personnel we have, then he'd be mug not to react accordingly and play to our strengths....we do have strengths right?
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Dave Mc on Twitter on 12:02 - Aug 20 by R_from_afar
Look, I like Dave Mc but I seem to have missed the memo about him joining QPRs' board. He cannot have a full picture of what is going on, that is physically impossible. He has more insight than us, and that insight can be useful to fans, but it is limited and it is dangerous to latch onto scraps of information and start drawing major conclusions from them.
It can't be often that someone starts a high profile and important role in an organisation and immediately gets on with all the other senior execs and adopts an identical approach. There are going to be disagreements, disputes and teething problems. It's normal.
The good news is that having a director of football means that - in theory at least - it should not be possible for a manager to come in and hijack the club's strategy.
The other thing we *must* bear in mind is that even when we were in the Prem and everything (for a very short while) looked rosy, we were never the most attractive club to join for coaches, managers or players. Now we have received a very public (and unfair) reprimand for breaching FFP, making us even less appealing. If we now sack McClaren after a handful of games, what sort of a manager, what sort of players are we going to attract? Barring people with a Rangers background, they will inevitably be poor ones, desperate ones, utter mercenaries, the people no other club would take.
We are on a terrible run of form (in the league) and we were humbled on Saturday but we need to get a grip or this club we become even more of a basket case than it already is.
RFA
Precisely. We're supposed to have a DoF and a clear plan and strategy to get our club back on our feet. This plan looked like it was put in place since LF came in. Since then we still have had 5 different managers with what seems different approaches and ability to the game. Without wanting to retread old debates on the Ollie sacking the appointment of MacClaren and his subsequent appproach to the team looks like MacClaren didnt read the memo. Of course MacClaren can turn it round and im not suggesting he should be sacked but if i was him i would be looking at what worked for Ollie and improve on that. Coming in and trying to completey change things clearly isnt working.
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Dave Mc on Twitter on 12:51 - Aug 20 with 2753 views
Dave Mc on Twitter on 12:29 - Aug 20 by BklynRanger
Agree with the above, RFA.
Saturday was an undeniable humiliation but:
- We were always at risk of a tonking (not that fcuking big, I know) - We have the rest of the structure (Les, Lee, Amit etc) in place and I very much doubt we'll sacrifice that work at this point (Shirley?!) - McLaren may be struggling with the realities but that's not the same as walking, not yet - You'd have to believe that we'll improve that defence before the loan window slams shut.
We're currently in a world of shit but there has to be a couple of straws left.
Good and sensible post.
So much inevitable wringing of hands since Saturday (I know, I've participated) but despite everything, if the eleven that the manager sends out tomorrow night scraps their way to a manky three points, the ocean of shite ebbs away. He must know that too. Follow that up with a point or three at the weekend, it becomes a surprisingly distant memory.
Do the players want to play for Steve ? Didn't look like it at the Hawthorns, but there may have been other factors. We will certainly find out the answer to that one, at least, tomorrow night.
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Dave Mc on Twitter on 12:51 - Aug 20 with 2746 views
The main concern for me about replacing Olly was the motivation factor. At least he cared for the club and it still showed on Quest on Saturday after the debacle. The one thing you can guarantee is that his passion would have the players playing for the badge. I feel that it is an ingredient we could have done with through these lean financial terms having a manager that really cares.
McLaren and any other manager you may care to replace him with don't love the club in the same way so I have my doubts they will get these players playing for the badge. The first time we go two goals down this season and we gave up as if playing for this club was not something to be proud of.
Olly might be tactically flawed but at least he could galvanise the team. With him we came back from 2-0 against Fulham, Millwall and Brentford last season there was no giving up. Just how we could be 1-1 at half time and then lose 6 goals in one half is beyond me and suggests McLaren has no motivational skills whatsoever. At least when we shipped six goals in recent years it was over two halves.
There was a footballer on Quest last week, whom I didn't id, who replied "no comment" when asked what McLaren was like as a motivator when he played for him. It sort of sums it up. Perhaps McLaren is another Alan Mullery that demotivates rather than inspires with his teamtalks.
I see Middlesbrough v West Brom is on Sky later this week so I wonder how many times the 7-1 will get mentioned in commentary just to remind us...
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Dave Mc on Twitter on 13:18 - Aug 20 with 2598 views
Dave Mc on Twitter on 10:48 - Aug 20 by BrianMcCarthy
I see your point, PunteR
Like any coach or manager, McClaren will have to do what he's told and will have to accept the playing staff he's allowed. I would expect any manager to have a bit of to-and-fro with his bosses about resources, that's to be expected. I don't see any proof that there's anything more than that going on at the moment, to be honest.
Exactly, very well put in a thread full of hysterical panicing
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Dave Mc on Twitter on 13:46 - Aug 20 with 2484 views
Dave Mc on Twitter on 12:51 - Aug 20 by Hooped_Pullie
Good and sensible post.
So much inevitable wringing of hands since Saturday (I know, I've participated) but despite everything, if the eleven that the manager sends out tomorrow night scraps their way to a manky three points, the ocean of shite ebbs away. He must know that too. Follow that up with a point or three at the weekend, it becomes a surprisingly distant memory.
Do the players want to play for Steve ? Didn't look like it at the Hawthorns, but there may have been other factors. We will certainly find out the answer to that one, at least, tomorrow night.
Steve McLaren's teams do not 'scrap their way to a manky three points' - he doesn't have the fight in him and therefore nor do his teams.
This will not happen, I guarantee.
Take a look at any of his stints elsewhere - once things go bad they stay bad and the ship sinks very quickly. There is no way he has it in him to turn it around.
We must do as Palace did with De Boer and see the writing on the wall and act very quickly.
Dave Mc on Twitter on 13:46 - Aug 20 by WestbourneR
Steve McLaren's teams do not 'scrap their way to a manky three points' - he doesn't have the fight in him and therefore nor do his teams.
This will not happen, I guarantee.
Take a look at any of his stints elsewhere - once things go bad they stay bad and the ship sinks very quickly. There is no way he has it in him to turn it around.
We must do as Palace did with De Boer and see the writing on the wall and act very quickly.
I'm usually the one saying give time, manager not the problem, can't keep sacking managers etc etc but we need to see big things in the two home games this week or I'd be inclined to agree.
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Dave Mc on Twitter on 13:58 - Aug 20 with 2424 views
Dave Mc on Twitter on 08:32 - Aug 20 by timcocking
It's all so disappointing. We almost certainly would have done ok this year if we'd kept the squad and the management intact. Absolutely unnecessary. It's Tony listening to know nothing fools/Brentford fans in disguise on twitter again and it looks like we're in deep sh!t because of it.
We couldn't keep the same squad though, could we? We couldn't afford to under FFP.
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Dave Mc on Twitter on 13:59 - Aug 20 with 2407 views
Dave Mc on Twitter on 13:46 - Aug 20 by WestbourneR
Steve McLaren's teams do not 'scrap their way to a manky three points' - he doesn't have the fight in him and therefore nor do his teams.
This will not happen, I guarantee.
Take a look at any of his stints elsewhere - once things go bad they stay bad and the ship sinks very quickly. There is no way he has it in him to turn it around.
We must do as Palace did with De Boer and see the writing on the wall and act very quickly.
De Boer tried to implement a style which Palace were not used to which resulted in 4 back to back losses. Sadly we're heading down that same path - I would agree we should act quickly if this continues. However, I'm still giving hair island tomorrow and Saturday (both winnable IMO).
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Dave Mc on Twitter on 14:01 - Aug 20 with 2380 views
Bit of overreaction to a couple of my tweets re McClaren. Brief was to continue club's general aim to develop players. But experienced pros left and he therefore wants experienced guys in. FFP makes that very difficult though & loans towards end of Aug always going to be best bet
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