| Hoos on SS 23:17 - Apr 28 with 6359 views | Stanisgod |
Just caught Hoos on SS talking about the players 25%
wage reduction.
Pretty much said that the leagues advance has already gone, matches behind closed doors will lose money, sponsors and season ticket holders to be refunded, looked like a man who had spent three years putting things right to have it all fall apart in a space of a few months. |  |
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| Hoos on SS on 05:18 - Apr 29 with 4370 views | timcocking |
Wage deferral you mean... |  | | |
| Hoos on SS on 09:34 - Apr 29 with 4199 views | Stanisgod |
| Hoos on SS on 05:18 - Apr 29 by timcocking |
Wage deferral you mean... |
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| Hoos on SS on 09:52 - Apr 29 with 4165 views | bosh67 |
Very difficult for us. I wonder what will happen with future FFP? Given the circumstances does it stop? Is it suspended? If it doesn't and the season is expunged then surely the likes of Forest, Leeds, WBA etc will be totally crippled? If FFP is suspended does that also mean we don't have to pay our £1.?m a year to them until things stabilise? |  |
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| Hoos on SS on 09:55 - Apr 29 with 4153 views | Juzzie |
I would hope the FL see that Hoos & co have been doing everything to comply with FFP and that what with the current situation being out of the clubs hands, maybe allow the clubs owners to keep things afloat (no mickey taking though by trying to get players that would normally not comply) until such time it can go back to operating in whatever is considered normal then. |  | | |
| Hoos on SS on 10:02 - Apr 29 with 4125 views | stevec |
As pointed out, a wage deferral.
I’m trying to work out, long term, how kicking the can down the road actually helps the clubs financial position. |  | | |
| Hoos on SS on 10:05 - Apr 29 with 4119 views | Northernr |
| Hoos on SS on 10:02 - Apr 29 by stevec |
As pointed out, a wage deferral.
I’m trying to work out, long term, how kicking the can down the road actually helps the clubs financial position. |
I wondered that.
I guess it's the first step with the idea that the nine games might be played with crowds at some point? And if they're not, then the deferral becomes something more serious. |  | | |
| Hoos on SS on 10:07 - Apr 29 with 4111 views | francisbowles |
| Hoos on SS on 10:02 - Apr 29 by stevec |
As pointed out, a wage deferral.
I’m trying to work out, long term, how kicking the can down the road actually helps the clubs financial position. |
It doesn't.
It just alleviates, to a degree, the very serious current negative cash flow situation. |  | | |
| Hoos on SS on 10:19 - Apr 29 with 4073 views | stevec |
| Hoos on SS on 10:05 - Apr 29 by Northernr |
I wondered that.
I guess it's the first step with the idea that the nine games might be played with crowds at some point? And if they're not, then the deferral becomes something more serious. |
Seems to be the scenario, certainly from the players perspective.
I wonder if these players realise that their intransigence is going to put hundreds and hundreds of fellow players and coaching staff on the scrap heap or at best massively reduced wages on any new contracts.
They either don’t get it or don’t care. | | | |
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| Hoos on SS on 10:32 - Apr 29 with 4046 views | QPR_Jim |
| Hoos on SS on 10:07 - Apr 29 by francisbowles |
It doesn't.
It just alleviates, to a degree, the very serious current negative cash flow situation. |
Yeah think it assists with cash flow in the short term and allows them time to reduce other expenditure before they have to deal with it however, with income being reduced indefinitely it may not be of much assistance. Only time will tell but it seems to be as best as they can do given the circumstances. |  | | |
| Hoos on SS on 10:37 - Apr 29 with 4022 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Hoos on SS on 10:19 - Apr 29 by stevec |
Seems to be the scenario, certainly from the players perspective.
I wonder if these players realise that their intransigence is going to put hundreds and hundreds of fellow players and coaching staff on the scrap heap or at best massively reduced wages on any new contracts.
They either don’t get it or don’t care. |
To be fair, our players were hamstrung by the PFA who've been intransigent on this. Even Taylor admitted that he wouldn't be taking any paycut. At all. It seems a long time since he was the Skipper of the Good Ship Football that saved us during the merger days.
On the plus side this is a welcome unilateral agreement between the Rangers players and the club purely on deferrals. It doesn't preclude there also being a PFA/FA/EFL decision on wage cuts that we would benefit from. |  |
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| Hoos on SS on 10:46 - Apr 29 with 3978 views | rsonist |
| Hoos on SS on 10:32 - Apr 29 by QPR_Jim |
Yeah think it assists with cash flow in the short term and allows them time to reduce other expenditure before they have to deal with it however, with income being reduced indefinitely it may not be of much assistance. Only time will tell but it seems to be as best as they can do given the circumstances. |
Note also in the Sky article he mentions we have deferred HMRC payments too (presumably until January next year). |  | | |
| Hoos on SS on 11:18 - Apr 29 with 3894 views | MedwayR |
Football hasn't come out this particularly well and seems to be living in a bubble where it thinks this doesn't affect them.
Firstly we've had Spurs and Liverpool furloughing staff after posting huge profits, then we've had players and managers meeting up for training instead of isolating, plus the likes of Moise Keanand Kyle Walker having parties/orgies, Grealish popping out as he pleases and crashing his car. On top of it they've refused to help their clubs and club employees out by flat out refusing to take pay cut, led shamefully by Taylor and the PFA. Only a handful (Southampton, Fabregas for example) have tried to do the right thing.
I'm not happy with the way our players have handled it either. I struggle with football at the best of times but I really don't feel that I can support players that clearly don't care about the club they play for and put their bank balance first.
I can understand the idea that the owners should foot the bill but have that argument later, show some solidarity in the first instance instead too many have just been selfish and greedy when in most cases they could have done a lot more to help. |  |
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| Hoos on SS on 11:38 - Apr 29 with 3857 views | BklynRanger |
Nice to see Lee's experience getting the exposure it deserves.
It's touched on in the article but I think the one thing we as supporters probably should have a choice over is whether or not to accept refunds. It needs to be done delicately because plenty of people's situations have changed, but I think a fair number of people will be willing to forget about refunds etc under the circumstances, me included.
To be honest I'm ok with continuing to pay my ST as normal while this is all getting sorted out. If my employment situation changed that would have to change too, but for now it's one small way to do what we can to crawl out of this clusterfcuk. |  | | |
| Hoos on SS on 11:51 - Apr 29 with 3805 views | daveB |
| Hoos on SS on 10:19 - Apr 29 by stevec |
Seems to be the scenario, certainly from the players perspective.
I wonder if these players realise that their intransigence is going to put hundreds and hundreds of fellow players and coaching staff on the scrap heap or at best massively reduced wages on any new contracts.
They either don’t get it or don’t care. |
I wouldn't blame the players, they have been told by the PFA to not accept wage cuts |  | | |
| Hoos on SS on 11:57 - Apr 29 with 3777 views | Northernr |
| Hoos on SS on 11:38 - Apr 29 by BklynRanger |
Nice to see Lee's experience getting the exposure it deserves.
It's touched on in the article but I think the one thing we as supporters probably should have a choice over is whether or not to accept refunds. It needs to be done delicately because plenty of people's situations have changed, but I think a fair number of people will be willing to forget about refunds etc under the circumstances, me included.
To be honest I'm ok with continuing to pay my ST as normal while this is all getting sorted out. If my employment situation changed that would have to change too, but for now it's one small way to do what we can to crawl out of this clusterfcuk. |
Yeh I wouldn't take it up, but I'm in the position to do that. People that aren't should definitely have the option and not be guilt tripped out of doing so. Ten years further back in my life and career I'd have been absolutely gasping for that refund right now. People have lost their jobs and incomes. | | | |
| Hoos on SS on 12:00 - Apr 29 with 3753 views | Northernr |
| Hoos on SS on 11:18 - Apr 29 by MedwayR |
Football hasn't come out this particularly well and seems to be living in a bubble where it thinks this doesn't affect them.
Firstly we've had Spurs and Liverpool furloughing staff after posting huge profits, then we've had players and managers meeting up for training instead of isolating, plus the likes of Moise Keanand Kyle Walker having parties/orgies, Grealish popping out as he pleases and crashing his car. On top of it they've refused to help their clubs and club employees out by flat out refusing to take pay cut, led shamefully by Taylor and the PFA. Only a handful (Southampton, Fabregas for example) have tried to do the right thing.
I'm not happy with the way our players have handled it either. I struggle with football at the best of times but I really don't feel that I can support players that clearly don't care about the club they play for and put their bank balance first.
I can understand the idea that the owners should foot the bill but have that argument later, show some solidarity in the first instance instead too many have just been selfish and greedy when in most cases they could have done a lot more to help. |
Don't particularly disagree with any of this but just a couple of additional points...
The Spurs, Liverpool thing is just business. That's the system/society we live in - as a CEO looking like a cnt comes second to looking after your business. If the government offers to pick up a chunk of your payroll, you take them up on that. Attitudes might well change through this whole thing but atm you do whatever is best for your business, so I can see why they went for it, even though it looks fcking terrible.
The players are being guided by the PFA, which is run by a fckwit (albeit, again, only a fckwit doing what he thinks is best for his members, which is his job, not looking good). I thought the politicians cracking on about greedy footballers was a pretty transparent, fairly shameless and quite repugnant example of dead cat politics - get the newspapers and TV talking about greedy footballers for a few days rather than bodies piling up in care homes. Footballers' salaries are paid in this country through PAYE and pour many many millions of pounds in tax back into the system. Where's the public calls and guilt trips for the offshore lot, who are also seeking government assistance, furloughing people, leaving staff without pay etc?
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| Hoos on SS on 12:04 - Apr 29 with 3741 views | BklynRanger |
| Hoos on SS on 11:57 - Apr 29 by Northernr |
Yeh I wouldn't take it up, but I'm in the position to do that. People that aren't should definitely have the option and not be guilt tripped out of doing so. Ten years further back in my life and career I'd have been absolutely gasping for that refund right now. People have lost their jobs and incomes. |
I did literally say it needs to be done very delicately Clive. Obviously not going to work for lots of people. | | | |
| Hoos on SS on 12:06 - Apr 29 with 3737 views | Northernr |
| Hoos on SS on 12:04 - Apr 29 by BklynRanger |
I did literally say it needs to be done very delicately Clive. Obviously not going to work for lots of people. |
Yeh, sorry, I was agreeing with you mate. Very awkward and delicate.
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| Hoos on SS on 12:07 - Apr 29 with 3731 views | MedwayR |
| Hoos on SS on 12:00 - Apr 29 by Northernr |
Don't particularly disagree with any of this but just a couple of additional points...
The Spurs, Liverpool thing is just business. That's the system/society we live in - as a CEO looking like a cnt comes second to looking after your business. If the government offers to pick up a chunk of your payroll, you take them up on that. Attitudes might well change through this whole thing but atm you do whatever is best for your business, so I can see why they went for it, even though it looks fcking terrible.
The players are being guided by the PFA, which is run by a fckwit (albeit, again, only a fckwit doing what he thinks is best for his members, which is his job, not looking good). I thought the politicians cracking on about greedy footballers was a pretty transparent, fairly shameless and quite repugnant example of dead cat politics - get the newspapers and TV talking about greedy footballers for a few days rather than bodies piling up in care homes. Footballers' salaries are paid in this country through PAYE and pour many many millions of pounds in tax back into the system. Where's the public calls and guilt trips for the offshore lot, who are also seeking government assistance, furloughing people, leaving staff without pay etc?
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Agreed but surely you'd have the common sense to have the discussion regarding PR before you apply for the government scheme. Perhaps they did and went for it anyway, it is Levy we're talking about here!!
As far as I'm aware the government talking about footballers thing has been overblown. The government spokesperson for the day (was it Hancock?) got asked a question on it and answered the question as you'd expect, there was nothing controversial but since then footballers (eg. Denney on Football Focus or Rooney in his column) keep bringing it up as if they're somehow victims of a massive government conspiracy to make footballers look bad. They don't need the governments help with that. | |
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| Hoos on SS on 12:25 - Apr 29 with 3677 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Hoos on SS on 10:02 - Apr 29 by stevec |
As pointed out, a wage deferral.
I’m trying to work out, long term, how kicking the can down the road actually helps the clubs financial position. |
It doesn't really, it just literally defers the issue.
It is similar to the Government allowing Companies to not pay their VAT this year, it is just to alleviate the problem now to hopefully be able to deal with it when things get better. There is (understandably) a lot of fire fighting going on at the moment and football clubs are in the same boat. Cash flow might be ok in the short term but profits (or losses) will be chronically affected. I would imaging FFP will be loosened to reflect this. |  | | |
| Hoos on SS on 12:30 - Apr 29 with 3662 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Hoos on SS on 10:46 - Apr 29 by rsonist |
Note also in the Sky article he mentions we have deferred HMRC payments too (presumably until January next year). |
Yes, this is VAT. i just did my Companies return. Nothing to pay till next year. Presumably the same will apply to Quarters 2 and 3 as well. That will be a shed load of bad debts coming the governments way next year. It certainly assists cashflow to a massive degree for those that survive though. | | | |
| Hoos on SS on 12:52 - Apr 29 with 3597 views | Boston |
‘Hoos on SS’...thank gawd, I thought it was going to be a disclaimer for the Third Reich. | |
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| Hoos on SS on 12:56 - Apr 29 with 3588 views | thame_hoops |
| Hoos on SS on 11:57 - Apr 29 by Northernr |
Yeh I wouldn't take it up, but I'm in the position to do that. People that aren't should definitely have the option and not be guilt tripped out of doing so. Ten years further back in my life and career I'd have been absolutely gasping for that refund right now. People have lost their jobs and incomes. |
Its a nice sentiment but you shouldn't be given a choice, the money should go straight bank into your account. if footballers are still being paid thousands of pounds a week dont feel bad accepting a £80 refund or whatever it will be. |  | | |
| Hoos on SS on 13:11 - Apr 29 with 3535 views | PinnerPaul |
| Hoos on SS on 12:56 - Apr 29 by thame_hoops |
Its a nice sentiment but you shouldn't be given a choice, the money should go straight bank into your account. if footballers are still being paid thousands of pounds a week dont feel bad accepting a £80 refund or whatever it will be. |
Think I'm with you on this one.
If you are able, are we supposed to pay double the going rate for a haircut, pint of beer, meal out when we return to 'normal' - to help out the firms affected?
People may well decide to take the refund and spend it in local charity shop for example - charities are going to be badly hit that way for example.
Its down to personal choice I guess, but our shareholders are still amongst the richest on the planet, and any money saved by not accepting refunds is just going back to players/HMRC in reality, so maybe not as simple as it appears at first sight! | | | |
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