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Players being accountable 19:07 - Dec 30 with 2093 viewsJules4367

I added this on to the end of the 'Been there before' -thread but I am so incensed by the goals being let in just after the kick off or at the end of a half and game that i am posting again.

Being 'Professional' as in Professional Footballer solely means 'being paid for it' whereas in most other trades and professions the word actually means adopting a particular attitude and being accountable for one's actions. If one doesn't do their job they are held accountable.

So a lawyer, consultant, accountant who does not do the job they are paid to do cannot and (being professional) should not accept full payment.

Sometimes in the world of football, you walk off the pitch and know that you did your absolute best and lost to a better team - as in the loss to Oxford at Wembley!

But other days, you know that you did not concentrate fully for the 90 plus minutes and the result is due to this.

If you are professional then- what should you do?

So here's my 'rant' for what it is worth i need to voice it- right or wrong and whether you agree or not- at least I can see that it is not solely the manager and, for the most part, the points we are throwing away and will continue to do so is due to the 'Professional' footballers not being Professional in their duties - not closing down, not tracking back, not concentrating, all things that in any other job would have personal repercussions!

So whichever manager we have he/she will not prevent the R's letting in a goal within 5 minutes of the start or end of either half.

That is wholly on the players and their mental attitude, awareness and concentration.

How many times have I heard someone take the words out of my mouth by shouting 'wake up Rangers!'

How many times do we have to watch the players (whomever they are) not having the mental awareness and or alertness to fight from the kick off to the final whistle of each half? You know the goal is coming, don't you?! I know its coming, whoever the manager is knows its coming, the board know its coming, the press know, Jeff Stelling knows and- here is the point - the OTHER TEAM KNOWS!!

The only ones who put their hands to their heads as the instinctive sign of surprise are the Rangers players whose body language translates as either 'How the heck did that happen?' or ' Crikey, it has happened again!' - but it is definitely a surprise to them.

Unfortunately, the weak mental mindset doesn't only affect the defenders. Concentration by the strikers and midfield is also lacking. The commentators always comment, there is time left for one last chance - ONE LAST CHANCE and anyone with mental capacity whose job each week - what they are paid for - is to ensure that the ball goes into the goal MUST be alert for that opportunity and stay focused. Good strikers do this, knowing that they can relax once they have done their job.

So, in my opinion, it is not the manager who sends the team to sleep - it is the players.

If I mess up in my job - I am held personally accountable - not my boss! If I am not doing something correctly, missing targets, etc i have to practice or retrain until I can hit my targets and do my job- without fail.

When do you see or hear the players being accountable?

When do they say- I kicked the ball over the bar when all I needed to do was to do my job and what I am paid to do! So I am going to go out there every day and work harder- but more so I am going to stay alert.

If I don't do my job correctly and let a goal in either and or at the start and or end of either half- I am going to hold myself accountable and donate 25% of my wages for that week to the NHS or a local school and be professionally accountable for my actions!.

If I miss a sitter or cross a ball that no one has any chance of connecting with, within the last 5 minutes of either half then I haven't done my job well and I shall consider myself accountable and will practise in my own time until I get it right and will not accept full payment for my job as I haven't done what I was paid to do!

No- its not the manager !!!

In closing, back in the mid 60's and early 70's five minutes before the end of the game, the lights would be switched on in the old stand opposite the mud bank and a roar of encouragement would go around the ground as if to wake the team up and warn them or spur them on- strangely this often worked!

Keep Warburton but make players accountable and ensure that they are alert at the kick off and five minutes from the end!
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Players being accountable on 19:58 - Dec 30 with 2023 viewsBenny_the_Ball

I'm yet to meet a lawyer, consultant or accountant who refuses to accept full payment regardless of the quality of their work.

In any event, it is the manager's job to identify players with the right attributes and prepare them accordingly for games. Whilst the players have to take responsibility once they cross the white line, ultimately it's the manager who is accountable.
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Players being accountable on 20:07 - Dec 30 with 1997 viewsJules4367

Players being accountable on 19:58 - Dec 30 by Benny_the_Ball

I'm yet to meet a lawyer, consultant or accountant who refuses to accept full payment regardless of the quality of their work.

In any event, it is the manager's job to identify players with the right attributes and prepare them accordingly for games. Whilst the players have to take responsibility once they cross the white line, ultimately it's the manager who is accountable.


No, but the professional body that oversees their perfomance can consider whether they have actually done the work they have been paid for- which is what I mean.

... and for the record, if for any reason I haven't done my job correctly, I don't charge full price - it's a matter of what one personally considers is professionalism in ones work actually means! Some have it, some just let goals in, miss open goals and take the money regardless!
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Players being accountable on 21:23 - Dec 30 with 1917 viewsJuzzie

I’m with Jules on this one. Players have virtually zero accountability and i think that whilst most are honest and decent we’ve seen first hand the behaviour of the likes of Bosingwa, SWP, Assou-Ekotto etc plus you had Chelsea players clearly going ‘on strike’ a few years back to oust Mourhinho.

Their contracts are so water tight they are teflon these days which i think is counter productive.
The manager doesn’t let the ball slip through their hands or handball in the box or pass poorly to team mates or miss golden chances to score. When all that happens and you’re down at the bottom, its the manager that gets the bullet.

Yes, i know its the manager that selects the players, does the training, does the formation etc but when the refs whistle first blows its down to the players and some of the things they do would have me tearing my hair out.

Not sure how you measure accountability for players though. Cant be opinion based as we see on here people disagreeing with each other over players performances in games.
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Players being accountable on 22:16 - Dec 30 with 1842 viewsJules4367

Players being accountable on 21:23 - Dec 30 by Juzzie

I’m with Jules on this one. Players have virtually zero accountability and i think that whilst most are honest and decent we’ve seen first hand the behaviour of the likes of Bosingwa, SWP, Assou-Ekotto etc plus you had Chelsea players clearly going ‘on strike’ a few years back to oust Mourhinho.

Their contracts are so water tight they are teflon these days which i think is counter productive.
The manager doesn’t let the ball slip through their hands or handball in the box or pass poorly to team mates or miss golden chances to score. When all that happens and you’re down at the bottom, its the manager that gets the bullet.

Yes, i know its the manager that selects the players, does the training, does the formation etc but when the refs whistle first blows its down to the players and some of the things they do would have me tearing my hair out.

Not sure how you measure accountability for players though. Cant be opinion based as we see on here people disagreeing with each other over players performances in games.
[Post edited 30 Dec 2020 21:32]


Thanks for the support.

I agree with you too with respect to how do you measure accountability for players. However, there is clearly a difference between the way some players and teams 'fight' and the way others 'don't appear to' or give up.

I am not condemning the players outright and we have had some last minute and injury time goals go our way but my experience, and this isn't just this season, but goes back years, I have seen and admired Rangers' teams fight hard from the outset to the last minute and then I have seen what are stupid, thoughtless, lazy acts by highly paid individuals who - as far as I know (and will be happy to be corrected) - go home after a match and think little of how they will ensure it doesn't happen again.

You mentioned the handball, goalkeeping errors, missing open goals- and how a player is accountable. All a player has to do is log on to a forum like this, read the right ups, etc and they will soon know what the general consensus of their performance is or was.

At that point - it is down to the professional attitude or 'couldn't care less attitude' of the individual. If they have self worth (as a person) they will know that they don't deserve the full pay for that week and should either be true to themselves or, if they value the money so much, then (as we all have to do) -EARN IT!

Let's hear about them putting in the time week in and week out- not for some additional 'stay up / relegation avoidance bonus' but because they have respect for themselves and know when they have been at fault and simply do something better!

It's a dream world but I'd like to see them come out in the New Year and make other teams fear their fight, their commitment, their support for each other and that starts with the professional himself not the captain, not the manager, not Sir Les - the player !

Shakespeare used the phrase ' To thine own self be true!' and so an open message to the players- ask yourself if you are good at your job or can you be better?
Earn your wages!!!

Wishing all peace, health and happiness in the New Year and hopefully the players will know what is expected of them and it really, all things considered, isn't too much we are asking- is it????

I will try not to respond further but thanks to all - whichever way you feel - we are all in this together!
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Players being accountable on 22:20 - Dec 30 with 1836 viewsCiderwithRsie

I do agree with you on this, but professionalism or lack of it doesn't come out of nowhere, both are part of an ethos built up over time by the people in charge. One of those is definitely the manager: the DoF, Captain and senior pros all have a role to play. You can see that off-the-field professionalism at QPR has leapt forward in the last 5 years or so.

It doesn't happen overnight and IMO we lost it badly in the post-Warnock years and the constant chopping and changing of managers has made it hard to get back - it's harder for players, a lot of them just kids really, to learn to take responsibility when managers like Redknapp blatantly don't and when every 6 months everyone gets a clean sheet as a new manager comes in.

It's really tough to turn around in any organisation - good people get p*ssed off and leave, bad ones hang around because no-one else wants them, a few decent ones stick around out of loyalty but get worn down.

Harder still in football when players can "go on strike" and it's the manager who gets the sack, and when they can doss about in a losing team and still pick up a fat new contract. TBH I'm not sure this stuff is Warburton's strength, the best we've had it IMO was Holloway.
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Players being accountable on 00:36 - Dec 31 with 1726 viewsJules4367

Players being accountable on 22:20 - Dec 30 by CiderwithRsie

I do agree with you on this, but professionalism or lack of it doesn't come out of nowhere, both are part of an ethos built up over time by the people in charge. One of those is definitely the manager: the DoF, Captain and senior pros all have a role to play. You can see that off-the-field professionalism at QPR has leapt forward in the last 5 years or so.

It doesn't happen overnight and IMO we lost it badly in the post-Warnock years and the constant chopping and changing of managers has made it hard to get back - it's harder for players, a lot of them just kids really, to learn to take responsibility when managers like Redknapp blatantly don't and when every 6 months everyone gets a clean sheet as a new manager comes in.

It's really tough to turn around in any organisation - good people get p*ssed off and leave, bad ones hang around because no-one else wants them, a few decent ones stick around out of loyalty but get worn down.

Harder still in football when players can "go on strike" and it's the manager who gets the sack, and when they can doss about in a losing team and still pick up a fat new contract. TBH I'm not sure this stuff is Warburton's strength, the best we've had it IMO was Holloway.


Oops, I said I wouldn't but the mention of Ian Holloway provoked me and I totally agree.

I may again be wrong and it may not have been solely Ian's idea but I'll credit him with it as I believe I either read it or heard it- that he wanted players to fight for their clubs survival so they scouted the league for players who were QPR supporters.

It sounds so straightforward but as we were in League One for one of his stays here and as an ex player- it seems to ring true that he would want players willing to give everything.

I probably don't know the full story but and may, unintentionally, be doing many in the team a disservice.

As the players' New Year's resolutions let's hope they resolve to stay focused for 100 minutes or so and if they mesh up then to put in an extra day's training.

When Holloway came back - the buzz and chants of 'we have our Rangers back' were great but then it was again dependent upon the players performances and should not be levied wholly against Warbuton.

Sadly I think he will not survive however all will become clear at Luton and if the team respect him they'll run their hearts and legs out for the said time to secure the win.

My prediction however, is we will let in goals 0-5 mins, 40-45 mins, 45-50 minutes and 85 to 90+ minutes ......I hope I am wrong!

See you the other side of the New Year and best wishes to all!
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Players being accountable on 01:03 - Dec 31 with 1714 viewsMyke

Players being accountable on 00:36 - Dec 31 by Jules4367

Oops, I said I wouldn't but the mention of Ian Holloway provoked me and I totally agree.

I may again be wrong and it may not have been solely Ian's idea but I'll credit him with it as I believe I either read it or heard it- that he wanted players to fight for their clubs survival so they scouted the league for players who were QPR supporters.

It sounds so straightforward but as we were in League One for one of his stays here and as an ex player- it seems to ring true that he would want players willing to give everything.

I probably don't know the full story but and may, unintentionally, be doing many in the team a disservice.

As the players' New Year's resolutions let's hope they resolve to stay focused for 100 minutes or so and if they mesh up then to put in an extra day's training.

When Holloway came back - the buzz and chants of 'we have our Rangers back' were great but then it was again dependent upon the players performances and should not be levied wholly against Warbuton.

Sadly I think he will not survive however all will become clear at Luton and if the team respect him they'll run their hearts and legs out for the said time to secure the win.

My prediction however, is we will let in goals 0-5 mins, 40-45 mins, 45-50 minutes and 85 to 90+ minutes ......I hope I am wrong!

See you the other side of the New Year and best wishes to all!


If Holloway's theory worked, Adomah would be our stand out player for every minute he was on the pitch - he hasn't been
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Players being accountable on 01:45 - Dec 31 with 1693 viewsJules4367

Players being accountable on 01:03 - Dec 31 by Myke

If Holloway's theory worked, Adomah would be our stand out player for every minute he was on the pitch - he hasn't been


True- he isn't a Bircham for commitment
But that doesn't mean Holloway's theory was (is) wrong
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Players being accountable on 13:38 - Dec 31 with 1567 viewsPinnerPaul

I'd love to see the stats but pretty sure letting goals in near the end of games is NOT peculiar to us.
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Players being accountable on 13:41 - Dec 31 with 1554 viewsPinnerPaul

Ohhhhh found it!

As you can see, yes we ARE one of the worse at letting in goals in final 15'of the FIRST half, but actually one of the better teams for not conceding in the last 15' of the match!

https://www.soccerstats.com/timing.asp?league=england2

Just scrolled down and we are actually a bit worse in conceding in the last 10' of a match, but certainly nowhere near the worse side.
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Players being accountable on 14:03 - Dec 31 with 1520 viewsCliveWilsonSaid

Players being accountable on 13:41 - Dec 31 by PinnerPaul

Ohhhhh found it!

As you can see, yes we ARE one of the worse at letting in goals in final 15'of the FIRST half, but actually one of the better teams for not conceding in the last 15' of the match!

https://www.soccerstats.com/timing.asp?league=england2

Just scrolled down and we are actually a bit worse in conceding in the last 10' of a match, but certainly nowhere near the worse side.
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I was thinking this. I thought we’d improved on this aspect of our game a bit this season. Creating chances and scoring goals has been much more of an issue.

Poll: Expectations for this season?

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Players being accountable on 17:03 - Feb 27 with 1299 viewsJules4367

Ok so here we are yet, yey yet again!

3 points
1 point
No point
What's the point?
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Players being accountable on 17:07 - Feb 27 with 1254 viewsEsox_Lucius

Players being accountable on 17:03 - Feb 27 by Jules4367

Ok so here we are yet, yey yet again!

3 points
1 point
No point
What's the point?


What's next? a post claiming we are being drawn back into the relegation battle? FFS

The grass is always greener.

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Players being accountable on 17:18 - Feb 27 with 1197 viewsJules4367

Players being accountable on 17:07 - Feb 27 by Esox_Lucius

What's next? a post claiming we are being drawn back into the relegation battle? FFS


If you choose to accept this is OK and not get irritated by it then that is ok , that's how you support them and fine, accept the late losses.

I support them my way and get peeved when they do this again and again.

The good teams don't do this again and again - we do!

It is not even that they are beaten by a BETTER team , they just stop concentrating!

We've done great against Watford, Brentford, Norwich of course but Derby, Birmingham?? - Come on! It is sloppy!
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Players being accountable on 09:47 - Mar 1 with 1002 viewsfrancisbowles

Teams concede goals. Mistakes are made. The best teams make less of them, obviously. It's disappointing but it happens.

I guess the only time players are truly accountable is when their contracts are about to run out.
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Players being accountable on 10:14 - Mar 1 with 964 viewsdaveB

Players do work hard after training to cut out errors, you hear of it all the time. I'm not sure what you want from them.

Footballers are always made accountable, in what other job do you get fines for turning up late or not wearing the correct uniform. I don't know of any other job where that is you make a mistake 60,000 people in a stadium can shout abuse at you, your manager can publicly say you are useless before your mistake is repeated on a loop on multiple tv channels. Then you can be contacted direct for days/week/months to come being given death threats and told how shit you are because you lost your man at a corner.

None of them make mistakes on purpose but they are human beings and mistakes happen but to say they are not accountable is absolute tosh
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Players being accountable on 10:21 - Mar 1 with 936 viewsLythamR

Players being accountable on 17:18 - Feb 27 by Jules4367

If you choose to accept this is OK and not get irritated by it then that is ok , that's how you support them and fine, accept the late losses.

I support them my way and get peeved when they do this again and again.

The good teams don't do this again and again - we do!

It is not even that they are beaten by a BETTER team , they just stop concentrating!

We've done great against Watford, Brentford, Norwich of course but Derby, Birmingham?? - Come on! It is sloppy!


Player for player I am not sure Birmingham are worse than us

and please point out which of our players is better than the croatian that scored that peach of a winner
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Players being accountable on 10:24 - Mar 1 with 930 viewsMetallica_Hoop

I'd like some of our Preimier league squad players to be made accountable.

I'd get all NKVD on them and proceed to propel the pigs towards a minefield on foot shouting 'Davai, davai svin'i' brandishing my Nagan and wielding my knout on Boswaanka.


Beer and Beef has made us what we are - The Prince Regent

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Players being accountable on 10:46 - Mar 1 with 901 viewsdanehoop

It's good to see those posters who have been missing whilst we have been on such a good run now making a return to the board.

Never knowingly understood

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Players being accountable on 11:14 - Mar 1 with 828 viewsEsox_Lucius

Players being accountable on 10:46 - Mar 1 by danehoop

It's good to see those posters who have been missing whilst we have been on such a good run now making a return to the board.


The OP being a good example of someone who only posts negatively

The grass is always greener.

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