| Promotion Ambition 15:54 - Jun 3 with 6750 views | Myke |
While we are all getting excited about next season and feel we have a genuine shout at the play-offs at least, what happens if we actually get promoted? We realistically have three players who may survive in the prem - Dieng, Dickie and Chair - so basically we are left with two options: Either we abandon all we have achieved and throw silly money at established premier league players who have no interest in anything except the money (sound familiar)? Or, we can do a Norwich and endure a miserable season in the top flight, in the hopes that we will bounce straight back up again the following season? Neither is a particularly pleasant scenario - is there an in between somewhere, where getting back to the prem may actually be enjoyable>? |  | | |  |
| Promotion Ambition on 10:44 - Jun 4 with 1872 views | Northernr |
| Promotion Ambition on 10:34 - Jun 4 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I think obsessing over what Brentford are doing undermines our Bus Stop in Hounslow chant.
Yeah let’s give the Prem a go, but it’s really not essential to our survival. Progress maybe, survival no. |
I'd say if Ruben decides he doesn't fancy writing a cheque for £300,000 a week just to keep us going as we are now then it would become essential pretty bloody immediately. |  | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 10:47 - Jun 4 with 1860 views | francisbowles |
| Promotion Ambition on 23:15 - Jun 3 by NW5Hoop |
The perfect season would be to reach the playoff final, then lose in a game where we are robbed —Â terrible refereeing, lucky goal for the other lot, everything that could go against us does. That way we've had a season where we've won a lot more than we've lost, we've had a nice day out at the end of it, we've got our excuses for why the best team lost, and we don't have the misery of losing every week the next season. |
Like Derby? | | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 10:47 - Jun 4 with 1855 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Promotion Ambition on 10:44 - Jun 4 by Northernr |
I'd say if Ruben decides he doesn't fancy writing a cheque for £300,000 a week just to keep us going as we are now then it would become essential pretty bloody immediately. |
Are the rest of the football league not in the same boat? How are they surviving? |  | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 10:50 - Jun 4 with 1839 views | francisbowles |
| Promotion Ambition on 10:47 - Jun 4 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Are the rest of the football league not in the same boat? How are they surviving? |
The ship is going to sink Baz, we don't want to be on it when it does. | | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 10:53 - Jun 4 with 1815 views | Northernr |
| Promotion Ambition on 10:47 - Jun 4 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Are the rest of the football league not in the same boat? How are they surviving? |
To one extent or another, and either they're not, or like us they're reliant on a rich bloke writing a cheque each month. Fine as long as he wants to keep doing that, immediate problem the second he doesn't. | | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 11:19 - Jun 4 with 1758 views | Loftgirl |
| Promotion Ambition on 23:38 - Jun 3 by gazza1 |
We have now got posters wanting us to loose matches.....unbelievable.
Greatness takes a few years, not one or two!!!! |
"loose".  |  | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 11:20 - Jun 4 with 1754 views | Juzzie |
From my perspective of course I don't want to ever lose a game, of course I want us to be in the PL, of course I want us to win things (39 years I've been going and I've seen the second division/championship promotion 3 times, League Cup runners up and the third tier runners up, that's it) but I feel I'm also pragmatic/realistic in how that's achievable considering who we are and how we fit into the football scheme of things.
There are 92 clubs who all what to be PL Champions. 92 into 1 does not go, there will be 91 clubs that cannot achieve that.
It's absolutely right that every club should want promotion to the next tier and keep doing that, then win things, otherwise what's the point. But, again, we have to be realistic how that can be achieved and a club having someone fork out £300k a week just to keep us steady is not going to do that. It's harder now that it was 10 years ago under Warnock.
It's also so much bigger than just what a club wants. We have demands of the players, agents, Gordon fking Taylor (soon to be retired I think) just to mention a few.
Getting into the PL shouldn't just be about getting the money to survive. If that's what football has become then it's a busted flush.
Getting to the PL should be about playing amongst the best and trying to compete/match them as peers. You know, how it was in the 80's and early 90's before Sky came along when clubs like QPR, Watford, Oldham, Wimbledon etc could and did.
Then it all went to schit.
As I've said before, if we have any chance of survival long term in the PL we need to be selling out a 25k+ ground every week. We have massive hinderance not just in available land, cost of land, cost of construction (which will now go up post Covid) we have the problem of so many clubs not just in London but west of London too. It's a nightmare. Forget about denser population/population size of London, there are just too many to all be in the PL so we're competing against them as well.
If we do have to stay at LR then we have to match our ambitions & realistic expectations against that. |  | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 11:32 - Jun 4 with 1728 views | stowmarketrange |
They were hardly robbed were they?They had a few chances,but they certainly didn’t dominate the game,at least not until the red card. |  | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| Promotion Ambition on 11:40 - Jun 4 with 1712 views | Juzzie |
| Promotion Ambition on 11:32 - Jun 4 by stowmarketrange |
They were hardly robbed were they?They had a few chances,but they certainly didn’t dominate the game,at least not until the red card. |
Up until O'Neils sending off, they had one shot on target. | | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 11:49 - Jun 4 with 1691 views | NW5Hoop |
Since, obviously, what I said has annoyed a load of people, of course I don't *want* to see Rangers lose games. Which is one very big reason I am not terribly fussed for emotional reasons about promotion. Yeah, good for the books, I understand that. But even if Rangers get up and stay up, will I get any pleasure out of every season being a desperate battle for survival? No, not very much. If that makes me some kind of traitor, I really don't give a toss. I want to enjoy watching Rangers, not endure it. | | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 11:55 - Jun 4 with 1675 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Promotion Ambition on 10:53 - Jun 4 by Northernr |
To one extent or another, and either they're not, or like us they're reliant on a rich bloke writing a cheque each month. Fine as long as he wants to keep doing that, immediate problem the second he doesn't. |
Cheers. What I’m hearing is the whole financing of the football system needs to be overhauled. | | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 12:01 - Jun 4 with 1663 views | Northernr |
| Promotion Ambition on 11:55 - Jun 4 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Cheers. What I’m hearing is the whole financing of the football system needs to be overhauled. |
And has for a long time. If the Super League and Covid lockout isn't going to cause it I don't know what will. If we're not back in grounds next season it'll be interesting to see how the house of cards stays standing. Worst case scenario is they take away all the support they've had for the last year because you've got fans back in, but actually you can only have 40% capacity and its all socially distanced - worst of both worlds there, maybe that'll bring about the collapse. | | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 14:48 - Jun 4 with 1515 views | PinnerPaul |
| Promotion Ambition on 23:15 - Jun 3 by NW5Hoop |
The perfect season would be to reach the playoff final, then lose in a game where we are robbed —Â terrible refereeing, lucky goal for the other lot, everything that could go against us does. That way we've had a season where we've won a lot more than we've lost, we've had a nice day out at the end of it, we've got our excuses for why the best team lost, and we don't have the misery of losing every week the next season. |
Two words - Derby County - I doubt their fans were feeling over joyed after we beat them! | | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 14:52 - Jun 4 with 1506 views | PinnerPaul |
Beat me to it - sorry for the repeat all!  | | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 14:54 - Jun 4 with 1501 views | PinnerPaul |
| Promotion Ambition on 10:53 - Jun 4 by Northernr |
To one extent or another, and either they're not, or like us they're reliant on a rich bloke writing a cheque each month. Fine as long as he wants to keep doing that, immediate problem the second he doesn't. |
or HMRC get fed up with the club involved taking the mick.
That's what's done for quite a few. | | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 15:17 - Jun 4 with 1465 views | kensalriser |
| Promotion Ambition on 11:49 - Jun 4 by NW5Hoop |
Since, obviously, what I said has annoyed a load of people, of course I don't *want* to see Rangers lose games. Which is one very big reason I am not terribly fussed for emotional reasons about promotion. Yeah, good for the books, I understand that. But even if Rangers get up and stay up, will I get any pleasure out of every season being a desperate battle for survival? No, not very much. If that makes me some kind of traitor, I really don't give a toss. I want to enjoy watching Rangers, not endure it. |
It was a slightly unusual definition of a nice day out, though. |  |
| |
| Promotion Ambition on 15:20 - Jun 4 with 1459 views | danehoop |
For me the ambition next season is further progression and play offs (just think at least 2 of the sides coming down will be too strong and will take the automatic places. If we have some cup games and progress through a few rounds that will good.
Anything beyond, promotion in particular, would be amazing. The risk for me is that we are a small squad. The number of random injuries which were picked up in the first half of last season really exposed that, and we were comparatively lucky that smaller number of serious injuries in the second half of the season allowed us to use a fairly solid and consistent core group. Another Amos or Carrol injury to one or two of that core will leave us very exposed again.
Just read that back and realised how much I am a QPR fan. we've just had a great season and made permanent some real quality - but I'm worried that we cant have nice things... |  |
| Never knowingly understood |
| |
| Promotion Ambition on 15:29 - Jun 4 with 1442 views | francisbowles |
| Promotion Ambition on 11:32 - Jun 4 by stowmarketrange |
They were hardly robbed were they?They had a few chances,but they certainly didn’t dominate the game,at least not until the red card. |
It was a bit tongue in cheek. Not exactly the same as your 'dream' but just look at them since they have just got worse and worse still.
IMHO we have to go for it. There will never be a right time. If we manage to go up then we have to remember what we have learned from previous mistakes, act with caution and good sense with recruitment and players who got you there as well as making sure we bank most of the money. If were subsequently relegated, we should be better off overall than if we hadn't gone up.
I would love to be a yoyo club for a few years. Great seasons followed by a relegation battles, bring it on. | | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 15:39 - Jun 4 with 1415 views | PinnerPaul |
| Promotion Ambition on 11:32 - Jun 4 by stowmarketrange |
They were hardly robbed were they?They had a few chances,but they certainly didn’t dominate the game,at least not until the red card. |
My reply, too was tongue in cheek.
No they certainly weren't robbed. Under old law you could say that our sending off was harsh as Derby player wasn't exactly heading 'towards goal' - hence, I think, why Mason consulted with his AR.
Also its not 'luck' that Dunne and Green has superb games, that Derby's forwards certainly didn't and Derby's tactic of pumping high balls towards the best defensive header of a ball in the division (Dunne) was poor by McClaren, not bad luck.
Hoilett's work for the goal was excellent and Zamora's chance, despite being gift wrapped by our mate, was hardly a tap in.
It still annoys me to this day to see posters on here say we were lucky that day - we weren't. | | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 16:52 - Jun 4 with 1335 views | daveB |
| Promotion Ambition on 23:15 - Jun 3 by NW5Hoop |
The perfect season would be to reach the playoff final, then lose in a game where we are robbed —Â terrible refereeing, lucky goal for the other lot, everything that could go against us does. That way we've had a season where we've won a lot more than we've lost, we've had a nice day out at the end of it, we've got our excuses for why the best team lost, and we don't have the misery of losing every week the next season. |
I can't see how losing a playoff final by being robbed would mean a nice day out for anyone. The cardiff final when we lost was absolutely horrible |  | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 16:58 - Jun 4 with 1326 views | hantssi |
| Promotion Ambition on 16:52 - Jun 4 by daveB |
I can't see how losing a playoff final by being robbed would mean a nice day out for anyone. The cardiff final when we lost was absolutely horrible |
Except that we got out of Cardiff alive!! 😆 | | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 20:43 - Jun 4 with 1194 views | gazza1 |
Some of you posters re proper saddo's....... | | | |
| Promotion Ambition on 22:39 - Jun 4 with 1101 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Promotion Ambition on 20:43 - Jun 4 by gazza1 |
Some of you posters re proper saddo's....... |
You're just getting that now?
 |  |
| |
| Promotion Ambition on 23:23 - Jun 4 with 1042 views | aston_hoop |
As a probable non-real fan, I'd just take enjoying it. It already feels we are on the right track, we'll get there. Being successful would be great and if thats the case, being able to travel from abroad to watch the occasional game during that successful spell without some coked up wænkers telling me that they havent seen my face before, then even better. |  |
| |
| Promotion Ambition on 09:45 - Jun 5 with 878 views | Blue_Castello |
| Promotion Ambition on 18:35 - Jun 3 by BrianMcCarthy |
If - and I think it's a big if and I refuse to get over-excited as it might ruin my enjoyment of the season - we finished sixth and were good enough to win the Play-Offs then I think it could only be because most of Barbet, deWijs, JoJo, Dykes and Austin as well as the five you mentioned all played at near-Premier League standard, so they would be worthy of a shot at the Premier League, with maybe one or two quality additions.
I'm not sure that's likely to happen, though. |
Agreed it's crazy speculating before the season has even started but as you say IF we get anywhere near the play offs and promotion was achieved then we need to reward the players who got us promoted, even if that means getting beaten regularly.
The consensus of opinion is that we can't waste the money a third time that would be pressing the self destruct button, we should have put more faith in some of the 2010/2011 squad.
Fortunately since the appointment of Hoos we have been financially run very astutely, getting the man who helped shape Burnleys climb to the Premiership was a very smart move, having Hoos and Warbs should ensure that we spend wisely and when we inevitably return to the Championship we have some money in the bank for future development on and off the field. [Post edited 5 Jun 2021 10:06]
| | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
