| Offside 23:47 - Oct 26 with 12261 views | daveB |
I try to stay off this board for a few hours after we lose, emotions are always high and tend to think in the cold light of day I can take a step back and try to give a reasonable response to a performance both good and bad but tonight honestly I don't know how I am going to sleep after seeing that Austin goal. That was a scandalous robbery by Stroud, not even close I can't get my head around what he thinks he's seen.
I don't care about how bad the penalties were, what we did well and badly in the other 95 minutes of that game, that one decision has killed me
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| Offside on 10:27 - Oct 27 with 1599 views | gazza1 |
| Offside on 10:20 - Oct 27 by Antti_Heinola |
I'm much angrier this morning than I was last night because this is a catalogue of awful decisions. VAr is irrelevant here - VAR should be about marginal decisions that it is difficult for a linesman to see. This was not difficult. Charlie isn't even level. It's not even close. And even then, it is an absolutely blatant penalty. The linesman stood there, flag in odd position, unsure what to do, and eventually flagged. I have no idea what that delay was about, but it was diabolical. |
VAR is far from irrelevant - the goal would have counted!!!!! |  | | |
| Offside on 10:29 - Oct 27 with 1591 views | WokingR |
| Offside on 09:57 - Oct 27 by daveB |
On reflection I blame the man who headed the ball from Ellerslie early on and smacked it straight in the linos bollocks |
Has anyone got a video highlight of this as seeing it is the only thing I can think is going to make feel any less angry this morning |  | | |
| Offside on 10:31 - Oct 27 with 1578 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Offside on 09:36 - Oct 27 by BostonR |
I agree - clearly Stroud took the decision. Absolutely mental! |
Stroud signalled GOAL straight away and pointed to the centre circle. It was the Lino with his flag up that changed the situation.
Unless some people are suggesting Stroud pre-planned the whole thing with the officials and was just acting when he originally gave the goal?
Mental. |  | | |
| Offside on 10:35 - Oct 27 with 1556 views | gazza1 |
| Offside on 10:31 - Oct 27 by Ned_Kennedys |
Stroud signalled GOAL straight away and pointed to the centre circle. It was the Lino with his flag up that changed the situation.
Unless some people are suggesting Stroud pre-planned the whole thing with the officials and was just acting when he originally gave the goal?
Mental. |
The ref was not at fault for disallowing the goal......simples.
But many will blame the ref because it is Stroud....wrong. [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 10:38]
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| Offside on 10:35 - Oct 27 with 1563 views | JamesB1979 |
| Offside on 10:20 - Oct 27 by Antti_Heinola |
I'm much angrier this morning than I was last night because this is a catalogue of awful decisions. VAr is irrelevant here - VAR should be about marginal decisions that it is difficult for a linesman to see. This was not difficult. Charlie isn't even level. It's not even close. And even then, it is an absolutely blatant penalty. The linesman stood there, flag in odd position, unsure what to do, and eventually flagged. I have no idea what that delay was about, but it was diabolical. |
People make mistakes. If you don’t want VAR then these incidents will happen. Stroud gave the goal. I don’t know who the linesman is flagging offside. I think it’s Albert in which case you can’t give handball either. | | | |
| Offside on 10:40 - Oct 27 with 1518 views | Hooparoo |
Who fcking cares? It was the league cup which we were never going to win anyway. If we had half a brain we should have still won on penalties playing at home, taking the first kick and at the Loft End.
Concentrate on the big picture - promotion to the Prem. The linesman is a c@nt. End of now move on |  |
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| Offside on 10:42 - Oct 27 with 1502 views | terryb |
| Offside on 10:35 - Oct 27 by JamesB1979 |
People make mistakes. If you don’t want VAR then these incidents will happen. Stroud gave the goal. I don’t know who the linesman is flagging offside. I think it’s Albert in which case you can’t give handball either. |
Yes you could, Austin wouldn't have been offside when the ball was handled as he only became active when the rebound went to him.
He definitely wouldn't be given offside if Albert had scored. | | | |
| Offside on 10:43 - Oct 27 with 1497 views | daveB |
| Offside on 10:40 - Oct 27 by Hooparoo |
Who fcking cares? It was the league cup which we were never going to win anyway. If we had half a brain we should have still won on penalties playing at home, taking the first kick and at the Loft End.
Concentrate on the big picture - promotion to the Prem. The linesman is a c@nt. End of now move on |
We should care, lost out on prize money, potential quarter final and big pay day against one of the big boys. It should matter, I'm still fuming about it and feel worse every time I see it | | | |
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| Offside on 10:44 - Oct 27 with 1492 views | JamesB1979 |
| Offside on 10:42 - Oct 27 by terryb |
Yes you could, Austin wouldn't have been offside when the ball was handled as he only became active when the rebound went to him.
He definitely wouldn't be given offside if Albert had scored. |
If linesman has given Albert as offside then it’s a free kick to Sunderland so what happens after is irrelevant. | | | |
| Offside on 10:46 - Oct 27 with 1471 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Offside on 10:35 - Oct 27 by JamesB1979 |
People make mistakes. If you don’t want VAR then these incidents will happen. Stroud gave the goal. I don’t know who the linesman is flagging offside. I think it’s Albert in which case you can’t give handball either. |
Nope.
Marginal decisions I can live with. Two decisions there not marginal. VAR not needed for that. Albert ain't offside either. |  |
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| Offside on 10:47 - Oct 27 with 1463 views | slmrstid |
| Offside on 10:35 - Oct 27 by gazza1 |
The ref was not at fault for disallowing the goal......simples.
But many will blame the ref because it is Stroud....wrong. [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 10:38]
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How is it wrong to say its not his fault? Stroud is the overall official in charge, he is not ruled by his linesmen, he can overrule them.
He is the manager of the game and any errors ultimately lie with him, much as people like to lay into managers when we lose football matches. |  | | |
| Offside on 10:47 - Oct 27 with 1463 views | Dorse |
| Offside on 09:57 - Oct 27 by daveB |
On reflection I blame the man who headed the ball from Ellerslie early on and smacked it straight in the linos bollocks |
Clearly he didn't do it hard enough. |  |
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| Offside on 10:50 - Oct 27 with 1444 views | JamesB1979 |
| Offside on 10:46 - Oct 27 by Antti_Heinola |
Nope.
Marginal decisions I can live with. Two decisions there not marginal. VAR not needed for that. Albert ain't offside either. |
It’s a goal. No one is offside. It’s not marginal. You shouldn’t need VAR for decisions like this but some people are incompetent and make bad errors. VAR stops glaring errors like this. | | | |
| Offside on 10:50 - Oct 27 with 1444 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Offside on 10:47 - Oct 27 by slmrstid |
How is it wrong to say its not his fault? Stroud is the overall official in charge, he is not ruled by his linesmen, he can overrule them.
He is the manager of the game and any errors ultimately lie with him, much as people like to lay into managers when we lose football matches. |
Stroud is a tiny cockwomble but it would be pretty much unprecedented for a referee behind the play to overrule a linesman in line with the play waving his flag telling him the goal was offside. | | | |
| Offside on 10:54 - Oct 27 with 1410 views | JamesB1979 |
| Offside on 10:47 - Oct 27 by slmrstid |
How is it wrong to say its not his fault? Stroud is the overall official in charge, he is not ruled by his linesmen, he can overrule them.
He is the manager of the game and any errors ultimately lie with him, much as people like to lay into managers when we lose football matches. |
How often have you seen a referee overall a linesman offside decision? He may think it’s onside but I imagine he’s going to trust his assistant who has the best view. Looking at it again, I genuinely think he’s giving Albert as offside. | | | |
| Offside on 11:00 - Oct 27 with 1379 views | headhoops |
| Offside on 10:43 - Oct 27 by daveB |
We should care, lost out on prize money, potential quarter final and big pay day against one of the big boys. It should matter, I'm still fuming about it and feel worse every time I see it |
Totally agree Dave, it was a legitimate goal, and automatically robs us of £25K for reaching the next round. We draw, City, Chelsea at home and then its a full house plus TV money on top of that. For arguments sake 17,000 fans at £25 = £425K, not counting merch, food & drink. Lets just say half a million.
We can maybe frame another letter of apology from the EFL to go in the trophy room but I doubt we will hear another word from the offiicals. Scandalous.
Still livid and I can't believe Stroud didnt see the push on Dykes in the first half either. |  |
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| Offside on 11:05 - Oct 27 with 1342 views | Rs_Holy |
| Offside on 10:54 - Oct 27 by JamesB1979 |
How often have you seen a referee overall a linesman offside decision? He may think it’s onside but I imagine he’s going to trust his assistant who has the best view. Looking at it again, I genuinely think he’s giving Albert as offside. |
"I genuinely think he’s giving Albert as offside"... which he is not of course ... which ever way you want to slice it and dice it (Lyndon, Albert, Charlie, Jude the flamin' Cat) the lino got it terribly wrong |  | | |
| Offside on 11:13 - Oct 27 with 1298 views | Northernr |
| Offside on 10:50 - Oct 27 by Ned_Kennedys |
Stroud is a tiny cockwomble but it would be pretty much unprecedented for a referee behind the play to overrule a linesman in line with the play waving his flag telling him the goal was offside. |
But the linesman didn't flag. Didn't flag at any point of it. Didn't flag during the celebrations. They had a discussion between them, came up with that, and then he raised the flag. |  | | |
| Offside on 11:19 - Oct 27 with 1263 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Offside on 11:13 - Oct 27 by Northernr |
But the linesman didn't flag. Didn't flag at any point of it. Didn't flag during the celebrations. They had a discussion between them, came up with that, and then he raised the flag. |
Yes he did flag. Goal went in, I immediately looked at the little ref who signalled goal, then my attention went to the players celebrating in front of me at the corner of the Loft and Paddock. Then everyone saw the Lino had put his flag up which was well before Stroud was anywhere near him. | | | |
| Offside on 11:22 - Oct 27 with 1252 views | loneranger1 |
Am another one feeling even angrier today than last night... Am just speechless, really. Futile to be angry, but easier said than done to move on given what those would have meant for us as a club | | | |
| Offside on 11:23 - Oct 27 with 1251 views | Stanisgod |
| Offside on 09:52 - Oct 27 by PhilmyRs |
Just to be pedantic I don't think VAR would have got involved in 66 - goal line tech would have decided that one.
I'm not a fan of VAR and hated it earlier on but how it was used in the euros, I warmed to it a bit - e.g. only interupt when it's clear and obvious otherwise let it flow. Yesterday we would have won if the ref could have gone and looked at the video. I'm still 50/50 on it but incidents like yesterday make you think... |
No, its Stroud, he still would have disallowed it. |  |
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| Offside on 11:24 - Oct 27 with 1243 views | WokingR |
And just to give you all that warm fuzzy feeling you so crave in these difficult times this morning.
We, as a club, pay £50,000 a year to the referees association to ensure the continued high level of performance from these elite referees.
Think someone should be demanding a refund. | | | |
| Offside on 11:27 - Oct 27 with 1232 views | Lanhoop |
I wonder whether these apology letters could be put in some smart frames and hung artfully, in a kind of hall of fame way, just outside the ref's changing room?
I suppose the risk is it might just encourage them to see who can get the most. | | | |
| Offside on 11:41 - Oct 27 with 1142 views | The_Beast1976 |
| Offside on 09:38 - Oct 27 by WatfordR |
Given the delay in flagging, I’d bet the Lino has heard the 4th official shouting “offside” to Warbs over the Mike, and gone with it. Presumably the 4th official should here his mic off unless he has something to say to the ref/linos.
Whatever, the officials have come to the wrong decision and it’s hard to describe it as being anything other than incompetent.
I’ve been attending football matches up an down the country for nearly 50 years, and I can’t think I’ve seen a single worse piece of all round officiating.
Rangers should appeal and threaten legal action if necessary. The Football League are responsible for providing officials that are fit for purpose and there is plenty of video evidence to support the claim that they were anything but. Significant loss of future earnings caused. |
I suspect your opening paragraph may well be precisely what happened. Having heard "offside" in his ear he panicked, thinking he had missed it, and raised his flag | | | |
| Offside on 12:08 - Oct 27 with 1042 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Offside on 11:19 - Oct 27 by Ned_Kennedys |
Yes he did flag. Goal went in, I immediately looked at the little ref who signalled goal, then my attention went to the players celebrating in front of me at the corner of the Loft and Paddock. Then everyone saw the Lino had put his flag up which was well before Stroud was anywhere near him. |
I was watching the lino, because I'm always the only one around me who spots an offside flag.
We scored. He stood. We celebrated. He stood. Stroud looked over to him, he looked at Stroud. He raised his flag. There was a ridiculous amount of time between ball crossing line and flag going up and the idea they didn't at least talk over their earpieces is a nonsense. I'm not saying Stroud told him to put his flag up, but the guy was paralysed, not signalling goal, but not signalling offside either. Stroud probably said 'make your mind up' or similar. But once the flag was up, Stroud should have pointed to the spot for an obvious penalty. | |
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