| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders 06:12 - May 20 with 21587 views | davman |
Jeez, the football world is f-d up again. There are laws in place for encroaching on the field of play and what happened this week explains exactly why.
Sharp had no time to react to the high vis fat cannonball attacker, who has rightly been convicted and no doubt Viera and McBurnie will get some form of punishment. But Viera and McB's "victims" will get off Scott free even though they are law breakers by just being there. Getting on the pitch is one thing, but if you act like a massive weapon when you are on there, you should have every legal order thrown at you.
Loads of people think it's just an innocent laugh pitch invading, but I'd imagine that, with the percentage of idiots that live amongst us, it is probably really frightening for both sets of players and staff. After all, no pitch invasion, no provocation and no punishment for Viera and Mr. Completescotsname.
I hope they chuck the book at Forest and Everton and threaten them with a behind closed doors game for letting that happen. Disgraceful. |  |
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| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 13:27 - May 20 with 2423 views | switchingcode |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 13:14 - May 20 by Northernr |
Is anybody here surprised at that?
You see it everywhere. |
Yes we all do and I’m afraid I fear there will be a lot more examples of this around London this coming Sunday with Leeds Everton Watford and Man U fans all in town. |  | | |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 13:34 - May 20 with 2389 views | themodfather |
fans on the pitch is not new but there is a trend to more fireworks/flares in grounds and players and staff being attacked on the pitch is not good.
everton last night, port vale and forest have all had issues.
palace manager seen on cctv punching and kicking a fan on the pitch, but what led to it? and the fan shouldn't be there anyway.
that could have gone wrong as loads surrounded him. | | | |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 14:20 - May 20 with 2258 views | hamptonhillhoop |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 12:57 - May 20 by Antti_Heinola |
Spot on. Every word. |
Except for Meatloaf |  | | |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 14:22 - May 20 with 2252 views | PinnerPaul |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 08:30 - May 20 by ted_hendrix |
All across football in the British Isles it should be made law that if your clubs fans invade the pitch then the following season your club will start the season minus 21 points, no Ifs or buts about it, none of this X amount of points suspended the whole goddam 21 points deducted.
Whoever runs football nowadays get on with It, stop talking shyte about it just do something about it, yes that's right actually do something. |
The last paragraph is exactly what Mr Murray said on his EFL show. | | | |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 14:55 - May 20 with 2179 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 08:02 - May 20 by daveB |
I can see them bringing back fences for these end of season games, maybe plastic sheets like at ice hockey. People nowadays think they can act like this and face no consequence. The fella starting on Mike Tyson the other month and then getting a slap was one time the famous person hit back, now Viera, I don't blame them at all |
One massive difference between the US and England is lawsuits .The absolute wan*er who basically taunted Tyson ( a loose cannon sadly ) will wind up with a huge financial settlement and Tyson basically admitted that . " this will cost me a million dollars ".
So instead of shocking people it only serves to embolden then to act the pri*k and get rich .
I watched the clip of Sharp getting hit and yes he could have broken his neck.
Viera got lucky IMO he was surrounded and could easily have been knocked to the ground and injured once the red mist mob mentality took over. Not excusing his slap and kick which started the whole mess.
I do not agree with wire fences we need to move forward not backwards | | | |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 15:03 - May 20 with 2153 views | Northernr |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 13:23 - May 20 by Benny_the_Ball |
Bang on the money. The offenders have been dealt with, severely. It's sent out a clear message to anyone remotely thinking of doing the same.
Sadly there will always be a minority of morons that don't get it. That's no reason to punish the majority. Every weekend there are punch-ups at drinking holes up-and-down the country. A few idiots drink and drive. Some slap their partners around. Should we close bars and pubs forever? Of course not because the majority of people are decent folk who can enjoy a drink without resorting to mindless behaviour.
We have one life; it's short and, at times, challenging. Let's not take the fun out of it with needlessly draconian measures. |
The other issue if you go all hot, heavy and sweeping is it restricts football fans' right to protest. I'm sure clubs would love that but if you end up with the Allams, the Oystons etc as your owners one of the few, effective methods of protest available to you is to go and disrupt the game and sit on the pitch. I don't remember much condemnation for the poor Oldham fans going on the pitch against Salford the other week, and rightly so IMO. But if you start clamping down then it's hard for a law to distinguish between good pitch invasion and bad pitch invasion. |  | | |
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| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 15:11 - May 20 with 2124 views | BostonR |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 12:16 - May 20 by Northernr |
There were always pitch invasions, the difference now for me is this attitude that it's a chance to get at the opposition players and fans, rather than celebrate. My thoughts from travelling around the country with QPR and Hull FC are...
- the country is angry, and divided. Much more than it was ten years ago. Everything is black and white, there's no grey area or compromise. Brexit, obviously, has exacerbated this. Whichever side of that argument you were on I'd be amazed if you disagree with me here. Politics moving away from the centre and more into very much more right v left. Nobody is willing to listen to anybody else's POV and take it on board. It's an angry, bitter, hostile, aggressive place to live. The team you're playing against isn't just the team you're playing against, they're an enemy, to be targeted and humiliated and threatened. As I said on another thread, you go to away games now and there are blocks of fans specifically as close to the away end as they can get, to spend the whole game goading you, threatening you, making outside and cut throat gestures at you, rather than watching the fcking game. I see it in small sided football as well. We moved from one Monday Night 5s league in Finsbury Park because of the violence and threats to another and it's made little difference - every other week you've got twts openly saying they're going to try and break your leg, or find you afterwards and "cut you" because... you're playing on the other team.
- everybody having a video camera on their phone is a pain in the ars. It encourages ever increasingly ridiculous, extreme behaviour, for the retweets and Insta likes and mega bantz. None of these pitch invasions are spontaneous moments of celebration - it's just performative rubbish. Forest the other night, three seconds after the full time whistle, twts mobbing steve cooper not to celebrate, but to get a blurry selfie of themselves with him. Wow, we might be back in the Premier League for the first time in 25 years, I'll celebrate after I've got this pic for the Gram.
- Post lockdown I think there's a proper "fck you" selfish attitude to the place. We collectively as a country did as we were told, sat in our homes for two years, and it's now turning out that this was possibly OTT, possibly unnecessary, possibly could have been done differently, and the people who forced it on us ignored the rules themselves regardless. So I think a lot of people have come out of it with an attitude of 'fck you, I'll do what I want now'. I've made two journeys into town this week and two back home for work/football - on two of those four journeys there has been somebody on the train playing music out loud (loud) on a bluetooth speaker. Does everybody else in the train want to listen to that? No. Do they care? Also no. Does anybody say anything? Do you want to risk a stabbing? I have some sympathy with the attitude TBF - not to the extent of running on a football pitch to thump Patrick Viera, or making the Northern Line listen to my MeatLoaf albums, but certainly my tolerance for anybody in authority - be it my boss, a football steward, a politician - telling me what I can and can't do is very greatly reduced now. And I count myself as quite sensible and level headed - if people who aren't like that feel the same, they you got a problem.
- The economy is obviously not good and getting worse. When people are having a tough time, they get bitter, and angry, and violent about it. Previous periods of extreme violence at football in this country have coincided with periods of economic strife generally.
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This is what we have become - brilliant post. This country is going to go full-on public disorder very shortly and it will be very nasty. The fuse is well and truly lit and one small incident will ignite it! The Police will not be able to cope once it kicks-off. |  | | |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 15:41 - May 20 with 2047 views | Hayesender |
Something really needs to be done about all these fans running on to the pitch.
It's only a matter of time before someone does it at Loftus Road and gets man of the match |  |
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| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 16:12 - May 20 with 2000 views | Myke |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 15:41 - May 20 by Hayesender |
Something really needs to be done about all these fans running on to the pitch.
It's only a matter of time before someone does it at Loftus Road and gets man of the match |
The pitch invasions themselves are not the issue (although I know you hate them Clive), but the violence that is now associated with them. Over here every single Championship match (both hurling and football) is followed by a 'pitch invasion' At every game there are anything between 8 and 40 thousand people there depending on the size of the venue and the importance of the match. And they are 'invaded' after every game. Both sets of players wait patiently for the invasion, as kids come running over for selfies and autographs. The players can spend up to 30 minutes on the pitch mingling with the supporters -and I mean supporters not fan(atics).
After one game a couple of weeks ago, a hard fought battle between Limerick and Waterford which was a million times more physical than any soccer match, and the players dripping with sweat by full time, I saw one top player give a kid of about 8 a quick lesson on how to make a hand pass. Nobody felt threatened, the atmosphere was relaxed, almost carnival like, as players and supporters eventually drifted off the pitch together. So it is not pitch invasions per se, but the violence associated with them that is the issue. [Post edited 20 May 2022 16:13]
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| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 16:44 - May 20 with 1923 views | Rangersw12 |
Players/managers/staff also have a job to not wind up opposition fans.
Loads of times you see them running to opposition fans giving it large etc
Who remembers that cnt at Vale cupping his ears to us nearly causing a riot.
Football is passionate and its not comparable to any other sport, it's tribal and generally fans of other clubs don't get on, so you don't need some gobshite players trying to wind people up as they clearly don't like it when some twts confront them [Post edited 20 May 2022 16:45]
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| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 16:49 - May 20 with 1915 views | LongRanger |
Agree with Clive that this is ultimately a society issue, but until that is sorted you can't have players being attacked by fans on the pitch, so there has to be a huge punishment so that fans start to police themselves, its harsh on the majority and some may try and do it to other teams to try and get them punished, but it has to be dealt with harshly.
Everyone has a right to protest, pitch invasions used to be fine, but that was a mob at Port Vale not one idiot, so it has to stop before it gets any worse.
If Clives last point about it being closely tied to economy is right, if left it will get worse before it gets better and will take a few years to bounce back...bit like Rangers | | | |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 16:51 - May 20 with 1910 views | Mick_S |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 15:41 - May 20 by Hayesender |
Something really needs to be done about all these fans running on to the pitch.
It's only a matter of time before someone does it at Loftus Road and gets man of the match |
Belter. Well done, sir. |  |
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| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 17:13 - May 20 with 1833 views | Hayesender |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 16:44 - May 20 by Rangersw12 |
Players/managers/staff also have a job to not wind up opposition fans.
Loads of times you see them running to opposition fans giving it large etc
Who remembers that cnt at Vale cupping his ears to us nearly causing a riot.
Football is passionate and its not comparable to any other sport, it's tribal and generally fans of other clubs don't get on, so you don't need some gobshite players trying to wind people up as they clearly don't like it when some twts confront them [Post edited 20 May 2022 16:45]
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The only time I've ever felt compelled to throwing something at a match.
I had a bottle of sprite in my hand when he did that, and before I knew it I'd launched it at him.
Not proud, but it's easily done in the heat of the moment | |
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| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 17:46 - May 20 with 1767 views | distortR |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 08:46 - May 20 by Northernr |
It's a good point on the oppo fans tbf.
I'm probably just pissd off that every game I've watched this week has ended with this performative bullsht. |
life is but a stage, and all that.
Performative displays of behaviour are at ridiculous levels across the board.
I suppose it's another way social media is affecting our reducing intelligence.
Edit - just seen Clive and others discuss this without me. I'm going to take a selfie of me looking sad and post it etc etc [Post edited 20 May 2022 17:55]
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| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 18:37 - May 20 with 1660 views | Boston |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 17:13 - May 20 by Hayesender |
The only time I've ever felt compelled to throwing something at a match.
I had a bottle of sprite in my hand when he did that, and before I knew it I'd launched it at him.
Not proud, but it's easily done in the heat of the moment |
Lucky man, one of your fellow posters on this board received a three year ban from Loftus Rd for that, and his can was empty. | |
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| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 18:38 - May 20 with 1659 views | Boston |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 17:46 - May 20 by distortR |
life is but a stage, and all that.
Performative displays of behaviour are at ridiculous levels across the board.
I suppose it's another way social media is affecting our reducing intelligence.
Edit - just seen Clive and others discuss this without me. I'm going to take a selfie of me looking sad and post it etc etc [Post edited 20 May 2022 17:55]
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Feel free to er.. pitch in whenever you want to. | |
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| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 18:59 - May 20 with 1630 views | davman |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 14:55 - May 20 by CLAREMAN1995 |
One massive difference between the US and England is lawsuits .The absolute wan*er who basically taunted Tyson ( a loose cannon sadly ) will wind up with a huge financial settlement and Tyson basically admitted that . " this will cost me a million dollars ".
So instead of shocking people it only serves to embolden then to act the pri*k and get rich .
I watched the clip of Sharp getting hit and yes he could have broken his neck.
Viera got lucky IMO he was surrounded and could easily have been knocked to the ground and injured once the red mist mob mentality took over. Not excusing his slap and kick which started the whole mess.
I do not agree with wire fences we need to move forward not backwards |
Viera did NOT start anything with a slap and a kick. The idiot with the phone in his face yelling abuse started it by a) being on the pitch in the first place and B) by getting in Vera's space.
I get all the "we should let people express themselves" and "why should we all be punished and go back to the fences in the 70s", but if people continue to behave like that, what do we realistically expect? I also get that going on the pitch is one thing, acting like a tool is another as is committing assault, but all of that requires forensic detective work to identify these utter tools just to punish them. Work that WE have to pay the police for which they will do instead of finding the people that stole my neighbour's bikes last month.
It is a crime (apparently) so dish the fcking punishments out to everyone who breaks it.
No excuses in a civilised society. | |
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| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 19:01 - May 20 with 1622 views | distortR |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 18:38 - May 20 by Boston |
Feel free to er.. pitch in whenever you want to. |
life's a pitch and then you die..........or something like that.
Anyway, I'm still sulking. | | | |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 19:52 - May 20 with 1541 views | The_Beast1976 |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 12:16 - May 20 by Northernr |
There were always pitch invasions, the difference now for me is this attitude that it's a chance to get at the opposition players and fans, rather than celebrate. My thoughts from travelling around the country with QPR and Hull FC are...
- the country is angry, and divided. Much more than it was ten years ago. Everything is black and white, there's no grey area or compromise. Brexit, obviously, has exacerbated this. Whichever side of that argument you were on I'd be amazed if you disagree with me here. Politics moving away from the centre and more into very much more right v left. Nobody is willing to listen to anybody else's POV and take it on board. It's an angry, bitter, hostile, aggressive place to live. The team you're playing against isn't just the team you're playing against, they're an enemy, to be targeted and humiliated and threatened. As I said on another thread, you go to away games now and there are blocks of fans specifically as close to the away end as they can get, to spend the whole game goading you, threatening you, making outside and cut throat gestures at you, rather than watching the fcking game. I see it in small sided football as well. We moved from one Monday Night 5s league in Finsbury Park because of the violence and threats to another and it's made little difference - every other week you've got twts openly saying they're going to try and break your leg, or find you afterwards and "cut you" because... you're playing on the other team.
- everybody having a video camera on their phone is a pain in the ars. It encourages ever increasingly ridiculous, extreme behaviour, for the retweets and Insta likes and mega bantz. None of these pitch invasions are spontaneous moments of celebration - it's just performative rubbish. Forest the other night, three seconds after the full time whistle, twts mobbing steve cooper not to celebrate, but to get a blurry selfie of themselves with him. Wow, we might be back in the Premier League for the first time in 25 years, I'll celebrate after I've got this pic for the Gram.
- Post lockdown I think there's a proper "fck you" selfish attitude to the place. We collectively as a country did as we were told, sat in our homes for two years, and it's now turning out that this was possibly OTT, possibly unnecessary, possibly could have been done differently, and the people who forced it on us ignored the rules themselves regardless. So I think a lot of people have come out of it with an attitude of 'fck you, I'll do what I want now'. I've made two journeys into town this week and two back home for work/football - on two of those four journeys there has been somebody on the train playing music out loud (loud) on a bluetooth speaker. Does everybody else in the train want to listen to that? No. Do they care? Also no. Does anybody say anything? Do you want to risk a stabbing? I have some sympathy with the attitude TBF - not to the extent of running on a football pitch to thump Patrick Viera, or making the Northern Line listen to my MeatLoaf albums, but certainly my tolerance for anybody in authority - be it my boss, a football steward, a politician - telling me what I can and can't do is very greatly reduced now. And I count myself as quite sensible and level headed - if people who aren't like that feel the same, they you got a problem.
- The economy is obviously not good and getting worse. When people are having a tough time, they get bitter, and angry, and violent about it. Previous periods of extreme violence at football in this country have coincided with periods of economic strife generally.
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"Post lockdown I think there's a proper "fck you" selfish attitude to the place. We collectively as a country did as we were told, sat in our homes for two years, and it's now turning out that this was possibly OTT, possibly unnecessary, possibly could have been done differently....."
IMO it certainly was OTT, unnecessary, could have been done differently, etc (and those of us who even thought so at the time were basically labelled as maniacs who didn't give a shite about anyone but ourselves (when nothing could have been further from the truth)). Our Russian a friend on here also said it would bring about global financial collapse - given the way things are heading.now, will he be proven correct?
Anyway, I guess you can't blame people for reacting in a somewhat unpleasant manner when the realisation dawns on them that they've been, at best, 'misled' and that, consequently, it is going to have a significantly detrimental effect on their standard of living.
Sadly, as you suggest, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better, unless really stringent/draconian measures are taken (albeit that could actually have the opposite effect I guess and make things even worse). [Post edited 20 May 2022 20:01]
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| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 20:53 - May 20 with 1440 views | Hayesender |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 18:37 - May 20 by Boston |
Lucky man, one of your fellow posters on this board received a three year ban from Loftus Rd for that, and his can was empty. |
I think the police were more concerned about the lone Ranger in the red top who took it upon himself to run across the pitch during the game and launched himself into the unsuspecting port Vale fans.
Always wondered what happened to him 🤔 | |
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| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 20:55 - May 20 with 1440 views | Myke |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 19:52 - May 20 by The_Beast1976 |
"Post lockdown I think there's a proper "fck you" selfish attitude to the place. We collectively as a country did as we were told, sat in our homes for two years, and it's now turning out that this was possibly OTT, possibly unnecessary, possibly could have been done differently....."
IMO it certainly was OTT, unnecessary, could have been done differently, etc (and those of us who even thought so at the time were basically labelled as maniacs who didn't give a shite about anyone but ourselves (when nothing could have been further from the truth)). Our Russian a friend on here also said it would bring about global financial collapse - given the way things are heading.now, will he be proven correct?
Anyway, I guess you can't blame people for reacting in a somewhat unpleasant manner when the realisation dawns on them that they've been, at best, 'misled' and that, consequently, it is going to have a significantly detrimental effect on their standard of living.
Sadly, as you suggest, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better, unless really stringent/draconian measures are taken (albeit that could actually have the opposite effect I guess and make things even worse). [Post edited 20 May 2022 20:01]
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Hindsight is wonderful - people were dying in their thousands and nobody knew anything about the virus | | | |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 23:40 - May 20 with 1306 views | LythamR |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 20:55 - May 20 by Myke |
Hindsight is wonderful - people were dying in their thousands and nobody knew anything about the virus |
i love this hindsight and people saying there shouldnt have been lockdowns etc but look how many died and then join the dots to how many would have died without the lockdowns
that said there is no denying that we are in serious financial trouble, we were heading that way anywat before Covid and Ukraine, unless you happen to be an armaments manufacturer or one of their shareholders in which case life is peachy
I just hope its not a really hot summer because it will only take one incident to light the fuse during a heatwave, good job the world cup is in November this year is my thinking |  | | |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 23:59 - May 20 with 1296 views | lightwaterhoop |
| Viera, McBurnie, Sharp Pitch Invaders on 20:55 - May 20 by Myke |
Hindsight is wonderful - people were dying in their thousands and nobody knew anything about the virus |
Myke its not hindsight a lot of people were saying at the time that the lockdowns were way over the top including the poster you were responding to. | | | |
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