| Linford Christie Stadium. 18:04 - Aug 9 with 122782 views | ted_hendrix |
That's where our new ground will be. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:10 - Oct 28 with 2977 views | daveB |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:01 - Oct 28 by KerryE |
Was in Ellerslie for 1st time in 15 years on Tuesday.
My god, no wonder new fans only come once.
And that is our biggest problem imo.
Could Ellerslie be made entirely rail standing? |
it should be but there is an obsession to make lower loft the safe standing so Ellerslie will have to stay as cramped as it is. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:14 - Oct 28 with 2959 views | GloryHunter |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:19 - Oct 28 by RBlock |
Lol, can you see that going down well? Sacking off the local (and pretty new) five aside pitches used by the kids in White City, as well as our own Community Trust? Bonkers.
Maybe if we then build new five aside pitches over Wormholt Park. But then where do we build a new park? |
Who owns the five-a-side pitches?
The Jack Tizard School is special needs, so I imagine the pupils travel from quite a wide catchment area - unlike a local primary school, where the pupils are supposed to live within 1/2 mile. Maybe Jack Tizzard could be relocated to the Adelaide site, or somewhere similar?
(I'm only trying to think "outside the box", so please don't be abusive if you don't agree.) |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:57 - Oct 28 with 2857 views | wombat |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:14 - Oct 28 by GloryHunter |
Who owns the five-a-side pitches?
The Jack Tizard School is special needs, so I imagine the pupils travel from quite a wide catchment area - unlike a local primary school, where the pupils are supposed to live within 1/2 mile. Maybe Jack Tizzard could be relocated to the Adelaide site, or somewhere similar?
(I'm only trying to think "outside the box", so please don't be abusive if you don't agree.) |
Think we was offered the school land for about £150k at the time , if we was to buy the school I can imagine the residentsin the flats behind kicking off big time having new stand being build in the back yards . 10 million to redevelop the South Africa would barley cover the plans legal costs let alone build anything worthwhile , double it and add ten prob closer the the mark . That’s even if the present stand could take the extra bit added on to it with out massive work carried out on it. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 23:34 - Oct 28 with 2784 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:10 - Oct 28 by daveB |
it should be but there is an obsession to make lower loft the safe standing so Ellerslie will have to stay as cramped as it is. |
It was great seeing the Loft full on Tuesday. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 23:37 - Oct 28 with 2777 views | daveB |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 23:34 - Oct 28 by CliveWilsonSaid |
It was great seeing the Loft full on Tuesday. |
it was, it's almost as if the empty seats in the lower loft are more to do with the team not doing well rather than it being a family stand | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 23:40 - Oct 28 with 2772 views | GloryHunter |
Doesn't actually explain how they would plan to do it. Are there any further links? | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 00:05 - Oct 29 with 2722 views | wombat |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 23:40 - Oct 28 by GloryHunter |
Doesn't actually explain how they would plan to do it. Are there any further links? |
Never seen that before costs would be prob be 110 to 125 in the present climate though so no way achievable to the club as pay back would never happen just on extra bodies though the door on match days , maybe workable if the club was allowed to use the stadium more over a longer period of time | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:14 - Oct 29 with 2403 views | Lanhoop |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 23:37 - Oct 28 by daveB |
it was, it's almost as if the empty seats in the lower loft are more to do with the team not doing well rather than it being a family stand |
It was half term for a lot of kids this week so there were a good number there. Ellerslie looked to have more empty spaces. |  | | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:13 - Oct 29 with 2185 views | enfieldargh |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:14 - Oct 29 by Lanhoop |
It was half term for a lot of kids this week so there were a good number there. Ellerslie looked to have more empty spaces. |
sitting in G Block JU back few rows always pretty empty. Rest of the ground looked full however cant see ABC blocks which are usually less populated |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:22 - Oct 29 with 2163 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:46 - Oct 28 by BostonR |
That statement needs an immediate response from the club - mind-blowingly stupid from H&F . The club should call them out on what planning deals were done with developers around White City. One would imagine they bend over backwards for those investments.
Demolishing most of SAR might be a concern for H&F but they can always refuse planning permission. Perhaps they have given up to another developer - just a thought.
H&F are playing politics here, but to what end? Something is not stacking up - call in the lawyers and have it out. |
The reason I asked about the validity of the covenant is that it would preclude the building of housing stock on the site. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:46 - Oct 29 with 2075 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 00:05 - Oct 29 by wombat |
Never seen that before costs would be prob be 110 to 125 in the present climate though so no way achievable to the club as pay back would never happen just on extra bodies though the door on match days , maybe workable if the club was allowed to use the stadium more over a longer period of time |
Option Bosh 67 originally mentioned and I added to was to bolt-on an extension to South Africa Road stand above the existing footpath at 1st, 2nd & 3rd Floors.
So as you walk South Africa Upper concourse now and look out the windows to the estate, a new extended level here could provide a similar corporate experience to Arsenal where Platinum & Gold season ticket holders could access a Bar Lounge for Food + Drinks etc
It would allow the W12 & C-Clubs to be extended (if required) and could also accommodate back-of-house offices etc so a new enlarged Superstore could be located on the Ground Floor space freed up.
Relocating the Corporate Boxes so the South Africa Lower Tier seating is reinstated is another option, as Boxes in current format (no outside access) do not sell, so why not relocate to lounge as above with outside platinum seating?
Bottom-line, £ 10m would cover this (I'm in this game) and we're at Loftus Road for at least another 10 years (imo) so why not review + refocus - we need a 23k stadium with facilities that are attractive to hirers (eg a Wasps, Boxing etc) and an extended South Africa Road stand ticks these boxes.
Hopefully success of bond will give owners confidence to consider above + invest. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:58 - Oct 29 with 2028 views | daveB |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:46 - Oct 29 by ParkRoyalR |
Option Bosh 67 originally mentioned and I added to was to bolt-on an extension to South Africa Road stand above the existing footpath at 1st, 2nd & 3rd Floors.
So as you walk South Africa Upper concourse now and look out the windows to the estate, a new extended level here could provide a similar corporate experience to Arsenal where Platinum & Gold season ticket holders could access a Bar Lounge for Food + Drinks etc
It would allow the W12 & C-Clubs to be extended (if required) and could also accommodate back-of-house offices etc so a new enlarged Superstore could be located on the Ground Floor space freed up.
Relocating the Corporate Boxes so the South Africa Lower Tier seating is reinstated is another option, as Boxes in current format (no outside access) do not sell, so why not relocate to lounge as above with outside platinum seating?
Bottom-line, £ 10m would cover this (I'm in this game) and we're at Loftus Road for at least another 10 years (imo) so why not review + refocus - we need a 23k stadium with facilities that are attractive to hirers (eg a Wasps, Boxing etc) and an extended South Africa Road stand ticks these boxes.
Hopefully success of bond will give owners confidence to consider above + invest. |
I do think the focus should now be on what can we do with Loftus Road. That sounds a good idea to me | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:19 - Oct 29 with 1947 views | Rs_Holy |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:58 - Oct 29 by daveB |
I do think the focus should now be on what can we do with Loftus Road. That sounds a good idea to me |
If they can address the cramped seating, restricted views, lack of cover at the front of 3 stands, small food outlet areas/toilets then I think its a great idea! |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:23 - Oct 29 with 1938 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:58 - Oct 29 by daveB |
I do think the focus should now be on what can we do with Loftus Road. That sounds a good idea to me |
I think the fans will need to get behind this or similar as H&F Council's statement demonstrates their childishness,
If the fans get behind something along these lines, and lobby local Councillors, they will listen to the 'people' as opposed to making snide cheap comments about foreign owners,
The same foreign owners / british citizens who are currently using their own money to keep our community football club afloat and out of administration! | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:30 - Oct 29 with 1897 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Good idea. I can't see it ever getting planning, though? Any expansion of the Saffa would surely block out sunlight to the flats on the other side of the road. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:42 - Oct 29 with 1850 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm 100% behind the Council. And before anyone starts, i've backed Tory Cllrs in other areas over similar issues with the FSA.
Would love a new stadium, but it can't come without benefit to the local community. The club (and by these I mean the directors) can't have their cake and eat it. Both Chelsea and Fulham provided community assets. Why are we so special?
Build on LFC, turn LR into whatever local amenity is needed. Simple. We are a football club not property speculators. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:44 - Oct 29 with 1847 views | Northernr |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:42 - Oct 29 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm 100% behind the Council. And before anyone starts, i've backed Tory Cllrs in other areas over similar issues with the FSA.
Would love a new stadium, but it can't come without benefit to the local community. The club (and by these I mean the directors) can't have their cake and eat it. Both Chelsea and Fulham provided community assets. Why are we so special?
Build on LFC, turn LR into whatever local amenity is needed. Simple. We are a football club not property speculators. |
And the repeated reference to "foreign" owners? |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:56 - Oct 29 with 1802 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:42 - Oct 29 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm 100% behind the Council. And before anyone starts, i've backed Tory Cllrs in other areas over similar issues with the FSA.
Would love a new stadium, but it can't come without benefit to the local community. The club (and by these I mean the directors) can't have their cake and eat it. Both Chelsea and Fulham provided community assets. Why are we so special?
Build on LFC, turn LR into whatever local amenity is needed. Simple. We are a football club not property speculators. |
The benefit to the local community is keeping the local club in the community, as it has been for maybe 100 years.
If H&F want a further 'bung' so they can keep local voters onside and keep their cushy 9-4 numbers that's another conversation.
Cannot see how investing in a dilapidated + under-used Linford Christie Stadium is property speculation, but if you're of the mindset to use cheap-shot foreign owner jibes, you really should'nt be in any sort of position that requires a mature + balanced mindset.
Anyway, not interested in politics, just whats best for QPR, and to me that's a refurbished 23k-25k stadium at Loftus Road. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:04 - Oct 29 with 1771 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:30 - Oct 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
Good idea. I can't see it ever getting planning, though? Any expansion of the Saffa would surely block out sunlight to the flats on the other side of the road. |
Not a Rights of Light expert, but if you're bring the roof out to the pavement edge by some 10 metres at the same height, I think it would have minimal / zero impact on sunlight / daylight in flats opposite.
Key issue would be planning to oversail / build-over the pavement. This is within H&F's gift.
I think if the club was to submit a planning application on this basis, H&F would have to be seen to receive positively as no reason not to, plus it might have the added benefit of forcing their hand long-term about Linford Christie site, ie, we don't need it, but if we ever do become a sustainable Premier League club, we'd be willing to talk about a land-swap. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:07 - Oct 29 with 1746 views | daveB |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:42 - Oct 29 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm 100% behind the Council. And before anyone starts, i've backed Tory Cllrs in other areas over similar issues with the FSA.
Would love a new stadium, but it can't come without benefit to the local community. The club (and by these I mean the directors) can't have their cake and eat it. Both Chelsea and Fulham provided community assets. Why are we so special?
Build on LFC, turn LR into whatever local amenity is needed. Simple. We are a football club not property speculators. |
Isn't the idea of the stadium to make is a community stadium with facilities the community can use.
Really they need to stop arguing over the internet and get into a room together | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:08 - Oct 29 with 1746 views | toboboly |
Hehehehehehehehe |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:08 - Oct 29 with 1743 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:44 - Oct 29 by Northernr |
And the repeated reference to "foreign" owners? |
Unfortunate wording and bad PR but 200,000 homes are empty in the UK and 33% are owned by overseas companies.
Most councils are clamping down. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:10 - Oct 29 with 1730 views | QPR_Jim |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:42 - Oct 29 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm 100% behind the Council. And before anyone starts, i've backed Tory Cllrs in other areas over similar issues with the FSA.
Would love a new stadium, but it can't come without benefit to the local community. The club (and by these I mean the directors) can't have their cake and eat it. Both Chelsea and Fulham provided community assets. Why are we so special?
Build on LFC, turn LR into whatever local amenity is needed. Simple. We are a football club not property speculators. |
They've not said that though have they. They've just said they won't give it to us for free which would be OK if it wasn't so clearly a drain on their finances and something they have no clue what to do with. That's why they come across as childish.
How about a swap of land then, we sell them LR and they sell us LCS, they can build on it what they like then. You'll be surprised how quickly the local amenity the council deem as required will turn from a playing fields/ a school or a hospital into housing once they own it.
Ultimately if they want to make these decisions they should do it through their local plan and planning policy not hold people to ransom based on what they feel they can get out of them, which appears to be what they are doing here. (Hence millionaire owners references) |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:10 - Oct 29 with 1722 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:56 - Oct 29 by ParkRoyalR |
The benefit to the local community is keeping the local club in the community, as it has been for maybe 100 years.
If H&F want a further 'bung' so they can keep local voters onside and keep their cushy 9-4 numbers that's another conversation.
Cannot see how investing in a dilapidated + under-used Linford Christie Stadium is property speculation, but if you're of the mindset to use cheap-shot foreign owner jibes, you really should'nt be in any sort of position that requires a mature + balanced mindset.
Anyway, not interested in politics, just whats best for QPR, and to me that's a refurbished 23k-25k stadium at Loftus Road. |
Three paragraphs of politics and then you tell us you aren't interested in it. | | | |
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