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Grant Hall on his struggles with depression 13:18 - Mar 26 with 14945 views

ridethewave

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11711/11675047/grant-hall-opens-up-on-me

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 01:06 - Mar 27 with 2799 views

VancouverHoop

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 23:13 - Mar 26 by PunteR

I have no proper understanding of depression as i don't suffer from it but what i find concerning is that it seems to be on the rise, along with suicide.
My 17 year old has 5 close mates of the same age, 3 of them(2 lads, 1 girl) are now on antidepressants. That's quite alarming at such a young age.
I'm not trying to be controversial or anything and happy for anyone to correct me but does the use of medication just paper over issues? Could those issues or negative feelings that lots of teenagers get at such a young age potentially be resolved over time by learning to deal with them? We've all got different coping mechanisms i understand that but how does the GP or psychiatrist differentiate between individual circumstances?.
I'm just a little sceptical about the rise in prescription drugs and the rise in depression and suicide. Maybe theres stats to show that suicide rates are going down with the sale of drugs going up, i dont know.? I hope its not like the antibiotics situation whereby the body just learns to tolerate it more and therefore the drug becomes less effective.
I hope i'm not coming across disrespecting anyone dealing with depression. Genuine questions. I am guilty of being old fashioned in dealing with this stuff and my lad tells me i am. It just upsets me to see these youngsters struggling to cope and i do get a bit frustrated.

There's a belief among some specialists that various forms of depression are coping mechanisms. They're the mind's way of dealing with the world(s) we've created for ourselves. They're not particularly recent, they've been detectable since the industrial revolution – the last 200 years say – but now, in various and different forms they've become more evident. The suicide of the Crown Prince of Austria and his mistress in the late 19th Century led to a spate of "sympathy suicides" in Vienna. That sounds weird to us and is unlikely to happen today in that form, but equally tragic occurrences do happen, school shootings maybe? No one is immune. Winston Churchill, for example, wrote about the "Black Dogs" that would incapacitate him for days. For generations our senses have been, and continue to be, barraged by more and more stimuli, much of which we can't turn off or away from. Something has to give.

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Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 01:49 - Mar 27 with 2759 views

ozexile

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 23:13 - Mar 26 by PunteR

I believe one of the factors of the increase of anti depressants in the young is the use of mobile phones and tablets. These kids have never grown up with an off button. Check facebook, insta etc. They never get time to be with themselves, collect their thoughts. Their mind is racing 24/7.
When I walk my dog I just walk her, no phone, no social media just me her and the fresh air. People need that.

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 02:31 - Mar 27 with 2735 views

timcocking

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 15:26 - Mar 26 by Northernr
Difficult to cram that many misconceptions about what depression is into one paragraph but this is a brave effort.

Yes, of course you're always right.

Depression is much easier to deal with if you're skint and have a terrible life situation and it's easier to be a professional footballer if you suffer from depression.

Right you are Clive.

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Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 06:45 - Mar 27 with 2679 views

distortR

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 01:49 - Mar 27 by ozexile

I have you right mate, not in the case of the crippling anxiety affecting A40 bosh's daughter, but in the less serious cases which doctors can, in my experience, be too quick to issue medication for - the doctors themselves being under huge pressure,time wise and with the fear of litigation or investigation.

When we were younger we had times when we were bored - actually quiet times to, as you say, collect your thoughts and maybe allow your brain space from the constant stimuli bombardment that our kids get?

Now they would probably try and sell it back to you as 'mindfullness'- not having a go at the concept, just the industry that has built itself around it. Everything is a commodity, including our mental health (Pharmaceutical companies paying doctors to prescribe their products in America - the opoid crisis being an awful example)

My kids despair at my old phone - I can text and phone and therefore be contacted in an emergency, god forbid, everything else is marketing imo

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 08:14 - Mar 27 with 2605 views

loftboy

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 02:31 - Mar 27 by timcocking
Yes, of course you're always right. Depression is much easier to deal with if you're skint and have a terrible life situation and it's easier to be a professional footballer if you suffer from depression. Right you are Clive.

In many ways it can be worse, a lot more time on their hands to start with, if you’re in a dark place it’s complete immaterial what wealth or possessions you have.
I know someone who then years ago won 4 million on the lottery, they suffered with depression for nearly a year after as he couldn’t cope with all the people asking him for money and even worse ex birds hitting him with paternity tests.

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Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 08:22 - Mar 27 with 2589 views

smegma

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 23:26 - Mar 26 by A40Bosh

Mate my eldest girl has been suffering with it for 6 yrs and it is life destroying.
There are no simple answers as every single case is individual.
She is now 20 and cannot get up to uni up town by herself of an evening so me or my Mrs have to escort her.
Antidepressants never worked for her and counselling is a long road which she is still travelling. Has effected the entire family unit since 2012.

It enraged me to read Tim Cockings dismissive comments above after I just spent 20mins having to bring my 20yr old first born out of a severe hysteria panic attack over an exam that is happening tomorrow night.

I am going through similar with my daughter at present. Last night she left the house for the first time in 3 weeks when a friend turned up at short notice and we all went for a meal. It raised her spirits no end but this morning she is back to square one again on a huge downer.

Someone mentioned medication earlier. A psychiatrist described anti depressants to me thus : your brain is a huge computer. The computer is fed by loads of cables at the back. Depression is like having all the cables unplugged then put back in the wrong sockets. Also, all the cables became entangled with each other and look a mess. It can take a while to untangle those cables and separate them from each other. Then you need to put the cables into their correct sockets. That's what anti depressants do.

But as someone mentioned, they don't work for everyone. Sertraline definitely worked for me.

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 09:45 - Mar 27 with 2475 views

LythamR

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 08:22 - Mar 27 by smegma

For those with Teenagers regardless of whether they are struggling or not its worth taking a look at Yoga classes. If you do a search for "yoga for teenagers + your geographic area" you should find something.

of course its not going to be a solution for all but it does seem to work for people, it takes kids out of an environment impacted by existing peer groups, builds confidence and provides a break from technology.

not for everyone but worth consideration

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 09:52 - Mar 27 with 2472 views

dublinr

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 02:31 - Mar 27 by timcocking
Yes, of course you're always right. Depression is much easier to deal with if you're skint and have a terrible life situation and it's easier to be a professional footballer if you suffer from depression. Right you are Clive.

You seem to be deliberately missing the essential point. Depression is a medical condition that affects rich and poor alike. Passing it off as the self indulgence of the wealthy is glib and offensive.
For me it wasn't money (or the lack of it) that set off my worst episode, but having too much time on my hands, too much time to dwell on things. I think that's why it hits the young - and footballers with long-term injuries - so hard.

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 10:00 - Mar 27 with 2450 views

terryb

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 02:31 - Mar 27 by timcocking
Yes, of course you're always right. Depression is much easier to deal with if you're skint and have a terrible life situation and it's easier to be a professional footballer if you suffer from depression. Right you are Clive.

Are you on a wind up, or are you being deliberately obnoxious? Do you really have no idea how insensitive your comments are to those of us that have/had depression?

I'm sure there is a rise in sufferers now, but i doubt that the increase is as high as many think. It maybe that people now accept their symptoms & are more open about it, instead fo hiding it?

Does medication help? I've no idea if the anti-depressants helped me, or whether councelling did, or whether admitting that I suffered did. I do know that i celebrated when I came off the pills though!

Today I'm not a depressee, but i still suffer from depression. A bit like alcoholism, I'm free today but I can't guarentee how I will be tomorrow. I also know that wealth & lifestyle (or lack of) don't affect the chances of anyone contracting depression, or of their ability to fight it.

Keep going A40Bosh. Your daughter is worth every second of your help & understanding.

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Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 10:20 - Mar 27 with 2408 views

Konk

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 23:26 - Mar 26 by A40Bosh

Hello mate, Very sorry to hear about your daughter. You're doing everything you can to help and hopefully you'll soon see some progress. I can't imagine how heart-breaking it must be for you all, and the pressures it must put you all under. She's very lucky to have such a caring family to support her. Thinking good thoughts for you all.

My closest friend has struggled with depression for the 30+ years I've known him. A very funny, much-loved bloke with a very loving family, but for him, many days are a real struggle. He literally can't bear getting out of bed, doesn't really want to communicate with anyone - even his kids - and has very dark thoughts with regards taking his own life. And he can have weeks where he feels like that every day. His wife and kids aren't oblivious to it, and that leads to a sort of self-loathing and sense of shame on his part.

Everyone's circumstances are different, but for personal reasons, he's adamant he won't take anti-depressants, but he has undergone counselling, which he believes helped a bit, but not dramatically. As he won't take anti-depressants, he's tried a few other things, which he believes have helped; he's started running regularly, has cut meat out of his diet and is eating a lot better, he's cut down on alcohol and he's trying to ensure he gets a better night's sleep. He still massively struggles with depression, but he thinks those things collectively have helped.

He's often unresponsive to calls, messages etc for weeks on end, but I know it helps a bit that he know his friends and family care about him, as he often thanks myself and others for not giving up on him. It's a horrible thing to watch someone struggling with depression and it's certainly no reflection up on that individual's strength or fortitude. Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins and all that. Good luck, mate.

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Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 10:42 - Mar 27 with 2355 views

CamberleyR

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 15:23 - Mar 26 by timcocking
My sympathies for him. Can't help but feel, on a QPR level, that being so mentally fragile is extremely detrimental towards being able to succeed as a professional footballer, so my expectations of his future potential are dropping as i read all this stuff. Also, i wouldn't fancy his chances coping with a normal sh!t job and being skint like most people in the world, but there you are.

Even by your standards, that's pretty crass.

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Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 11:00 - Mar 27 with 2310 views

A40Bosh

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 08:22 - Mar 27 by smegma

Sorry to hear that Smegma. It is heartbreaking as a parent or sibling to watch someone you love go through such a horrific thing. The fact that she was able to get out of the house and go for a meal is great news, because the worst possible thing is to see them retreat into isolation and withdraw from even socialising in the house with family.

There probably is more cases now, but also the fact that there is a drive to bring it out in to the open and not be seen as a shameful thing means more people are willing to talk to their GP about it and it may give the impression that there has been an explosion in cases.

There are no simple solutions to this as depression is not a single "disease" that needs a jab or a broken leg that just needs a cast put on it for 2 mths and the bone will heal.

My daughter's current counsellor has spoken to us last year to explain that the reason our daughter has been so ill for so long is that there is now strong evidence that depression and anxiety can be as a result of a Complex PTSD which can hit children who have been the subject of bullying at a very young age. As their core self-belief has been crushed at an early age it means that cognitive behaviour therapy - where you get the patient to keep pushing to do things they find difficult and with repetition it gets easier - will just not work. So in my daughter's case, going in to a classroom each time was like walking back in to a war zone and like groundhog day, every time she had to do it, it is like doing it for the first time. So regardless of how many lectures and seminars she attempts to go to in Uni now it will induce panic, lack of sleep and she cannot eat the day of a lecture until she gets home at 9pm. However, it is her absolute love of learning that makes her get on the tube with my Mrs or me 3-4 nights a week and make the trip up town.

The good thing about Uni is at least the academic year finishes early in the year and we can get a rest

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Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 11:20 - Mar 27 with 2260 views

A40Bosh

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 23:35 - Mar 26 by PunteR
So sorry you're dealing with this. I hope tomorrow is a better day for you all. I'm guessing you have to take each day as it comes?. Wish you and your family all the best mate

Thanks mate, appreciate that.

@Distort - Thanks for the comments and there was no reason really to remove what you said - there are still times when I want to shake my daughter and tell her to wake up and cop herself on - mainly out of frustration. My own dad for the first few years was convinced that repeatedly telling his granddaughter that it is just about focusing on positives and getting over it would sort her out, but of course it didn't. It's way to complex when the brain's chemistry/wiring gets fcuked over by something traumatic but takes a few years to manifest itself during puberty.

The heartbreak in all this is that there is a beautiful 20 year old young woman, who has everything going for her - in theory - tall, blonde and blue eyes, incredible intelligence, highly articulate, brilliant sense of humour, extremely caring and compassionate but could out argue anyone and given 10 mins in a locked room with him she could convince Nigel Farage that he should have voted remain. However, she has never been out to a pub or a restaurant with friends, never had a boyfriend, never had to phone me at 1 am to say she was pissed and forgotten her keys. Had no 16th birthday party, no 18th birthday celebration.
So I know she is getting better but I hope it is soon enough for her to start enjoying life as a young person deserves too.

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Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 11:30 - Mar 27 with 2238 views

robith

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 23:26 - Mar 26 by A40Bosh

Solidarity Bosh.

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 11:33 - Mar 27 with 2227 views

robith

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 01:49 - Mar 27 by ozexile

Increase in use of antidepressants is because diagnosis and treatment has immensely improved.

While I doubt social media is good for mental health, there's no correlation between the two. People are just less likely to be thrown in a hole.

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 11:33 - Mar 27 with 2221 views

robith

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/20/sports/soccer/manchester-city-ilkay-gundogan-

This is a really interesting piece about the strain of coming back from injury

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 11:43 - Mar 27 with 2188 views

traininvain

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 11:33 - Mar 27 by robith
Increase in use of antidepressants is because diagnosis and treatment has immensely improved. While I doubt social media is good for mental health, there's no correlation between the two. People are just less likely to be thrown in a hole.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/11/181108164316.htm

There is correlation between the use of Instagram, Facebook etc and depression but it is open to debate whether there is direct causation.

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 12:47 - Mar 27 with 2073 views

terryb

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 11:20 - Mar 27 by A40Bosh

I feel so much for you Bosh & can only hope that your wish for your daughter to enjoy her life eventually happens.

It is an illness that is very hard to cope with when you suffer from it yourself. I'm not certain how I would have coped with what your family is going through.

I don't understand why there is not an association for depression similar to the AA. I know I would have benefitted from one, as i would have been more likely to tell the truth than when talking to family or friends.

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 13:01 - Mar 27 with 2055 views

R_from_afar

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 13:54 - Mar 26 by Northernr
Depression isn't a mood its a chemical thing, doesn't matter how well off or comfortable you are in life. QPR need to be listening to their players. Jack Robinson said exactly the same thing about loneliness and depression during his long lay off. Are we doing enough when players are out long term?

I expressed myself very poorly, sincere apologies.

I never wished to imply that depression has anything to do with wealth. I know from bitter experience in my own life that it doesn't and that anyone, regardless of circumstances, rich or poor, can be affected.

I just said that to try to counter the argument that *some people* use that people with pots of money don't have any real worries. That is not something I think, though, and I am sorry for giving that impression.

I regret what I posted.

"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 13:05 - Mar 27 with 2054 views

Phildo

My niece has had depression and anorexia this last few years. She was a straight A student but shortly after her GCSEs things caught up with her and she ended up spending a year in a specialist unit- the nearest bed on the NHS was in Glasgow so her family had to fly up each week to see her. She will have to live with it for the rest of her life but is doing really well at the moment - she is now 21. She has found exercise is good for her health - she is in running club now and has made lots of friends through that. It was very hard for the extended family to cope with and her grandfather passed away when she was at her poorliest.

I have seen it echoed with younger members of staff at work. People are much more able to air these things now perhaps as this thread demonstrates and that has to be better. About 5 years ago a close friend of myself and my wife took their own life and we did not know she had been taking anti depressants and seeking help for some time. None of her friends knew as she was ashamed- but really it was us that needed to be ashamed.

Thoughts and love to all the families mentioned above- Bosh Smegma and the Halls and anyone else wrestling with this.

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 13:48 - Mar 27 with 1962 views

Northernr

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 11:43 - Mar 27 by traininvain
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/11/181108164316.htm There is correlation between the use of Instagram, Facebook etc and depression but it is open to debate whether there is direct causation.

I've had periods of time suffering from this that were exacerbated/triggered by social media, and Twitter in particular. I just put it all on mute now and use it purely to promote the site but if you're prone to bouts of anxiety or depression social media can be a toxic combination with it in my experience.

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 17:48 - Mar 27 with 1789 views

nix

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 11:20 - Mar 27 by A40Bosh

Bosh, has your daughter been offered any treatments specific to trauma, like EMDR, EFT or the re-wind technique. They can work on specific traumatic incidents. Also there is a book by Pete Walker called Complex PTSD; from surviving to thriving. It gives some self help tips about how to deal with the emotional flashbacks caused by developmental trauma. Although it focuses on familial trauma, a lot of the information on how to learn to give oneself support and the psychoeducation about the cycle of emotional trauma will be relevant. He has a website too which has a lot of the info and might be worth a look.

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 22:32 - Mar 27 with 1681 views

smegma

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 17:48 - Mar 27 by nix

EMDR worked wonders for me. It was like free acid.

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 22:51 - Mar 27 with 1669 views

A40Bosh

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 22:32 - Mar 27 by smegma
EMDR worked wonders for me. It was like free acid.

Thanks both. Will look in to that.

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With no leg room, knees killing me, do I just go now or stay for the 2nd half o?

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 23:33 - Mar 27 with 1640 views

nix

Grant Hall on his struggles with depression on 22:51 - Mar 27 by A40Bosh
Thanks both. Will look in to that.

No problem Bosh.

Good luck with everything and just to say it can definitely improve massively with the right support.

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