| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? 10:51 - Feb 18 with 2861 views | ozranger |
Have not seen anything on this and if it has been discussed, apologies. With Charlie available for Hull and Leroy out for a little while, is it just a matter of Charlie in? The question is not to fit Charlie in, but what shape are we to play as Charlie is more a No. 9 than a No. 10 that Leroy was playing. Do we then sacrifice Zamora and bring in the likes of Adel or Zarate in Fer's position with Charlie back up front on his own (4-2-3-1) or do we alter the formation to a 4-4-2 with both Charlie and Zamora up front? I am guessing that this week's training will give Chris and Les a better look at those available. |  | | |  |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 10:58 - Feb 18 with 2841 views | daveB |
all depends on shape of the team, if we are going 4-4-2 then Austin in for Fer but if we are going 4-2-3-1 again then possibly Zarate or Adel in for Fer and Austin on the bench depending on his injury. |  | | |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 11:00 - Feb 18 with 2832 views | JonDoeman |
I'd play Taarabt, they love him up there! |  |
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| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 11:26 - Feb 18 with 2747 views | derbyhoop |
Most of the team picks itself, IMO. Formation chosen will Influence the rest. I expect 4-4-1-1 or a variation.
Green, Isla, Caulked, Rio, Yun; Phillips, Barton, Henry, ??; ??; Austin.
We could play Niko, Adel or Traore on left of midfield 4.
In the number 10 role we could play any of Niko, Adel, Vargas, Zarate |  |
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| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 11:29 - Feb 18 with 2736 views | simmo |
Adel for Fer and Charlie for Zamora. We lose some of our threat from crosses with no Fer supporting attacks but it shouldn't matter if we just alter our approach a little.
Re-introducing Sandro will be the tricky one, harsh to drop Henry and barton been brilliant last few games. Leave him on the bench I reckon. |  |
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| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 12:15 - Feb 18 with 2625 views | PinnerPaul |
I'm not convinced Charlie will be fit |  | | |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 12:43 - Feb 18 with 2531 views | JonDoeman |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 12:15 - Feb 18 by PinnerPaul |
I'm not convinced Charlie will be fit |
He's been in Dubai, maybe this little injury will be a blessing in disguise, freshen him up a bit. He'd gone off the boil, we need him to go on another streak if we're staying up! | |
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| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 13:11 - Feb 18 with 2453 views | TacticalR |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 12:43 - Feb 18 by JonDoeman |
He's been in Dubai, maybe this little injury will be a blessing in disguise, freshen him up a bit. He'd gone off the boil, we need him to go on another streak if we're staying up! |
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A big factor is whether Phillips can get those crosses in. They are tailor-made for Austin. |  |
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| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 13:51 - Feb 18 with 2324 views | baz_qpr |
Adel in for Leroy, Charlie in for Bobby |  | | |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 15:13 - Feb 18 with 2188 views | Northernr |
I think we'll go a different shape here as
1) We do now seem to actually pay attention to what sort of opponent we're facing.
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2) Hull have gone back to the back three they used last year.
So little point doing what we did at Sunderland, where Fer was always spare in the middle behind a striker, because Fer is injured and also HUll crowd that area of the pitch with an extra centre back and an extra central midfielder. All the space and chances against Hull come in behind their wing backs and Newcastle battered them, particularly the Scottish lad on the left, when they won here a few weeks ago. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 4-5-1, 4-3-3 type set up with Charlie alone up front but Phillips and Hoilett or Zarate on the extreme right and left with lots and lots of ball going wide early in moves. Phillips isolating and getting behind Van Aanholt was a big thing at Sunderland, and if he can do it to the same level this weekend we'll win. |  | | |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 15:29 - Feb 18 with 2153 views | PinnerPaul |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 15:13 - Feb 18 by Northernr |
I think we'll go a different shape here as
1) We do now seem to actually pay attention to what sort of opponent we're facing.
and
2) Hull have gone back to the back three they used last year.
So little point doing what we did at Sunderland, where Fer was always spare in the middle behind a striker, because Fer is injured and also HUll crowd that area of the pitch with an extra centre back and an extra central midfielder. All the space and chances against Hull come in behind their wing backs and Newcastle battered them, particularly the Scottish lad on the left, when they won here a few weeks ago. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 4-5-1, 4-3-3 type set up with Charlie alone up front but Phillips and Hoilett or Zarate on the extreme right and left with lots and lots of ball going wide early in moves. Phillips isolating and getting behind Van Aanholt was a big thing at Sunderland, and if he can do it to the same level this weekend we'll win. |
Very good analysis Clive.
Sure CR will know all that, not sure previous manager would have though!
Of course, we ARE QPR, so you just know , that now we actually have some hope of a decent performance, the reverse will happen! | | | |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 15:34 - Feb 18 with 2134 views | strikerace |
CR had Zarate in for Fer after his injury. Would not be surprised to see Zarate again, he looked pretty good in Fer's spot. | | | |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 16:01 - Feb 18 with 2091 views | QPR_ARG |
Clive obviously knows Hull City a lot more than I'll ever do and that was a great "scouting" post on them and how they play and how we can play to hurt them.
That said...with Fer out of the team, you need to play footballers who can be comfortable on the ball so other around them can get a breather every now and then and we can keep possession and break down their rhythm, slow things down a little. We have players like that in Adel and Mauro.
Fer was superb in doing this against Sunderland (also vs. Southampton albeit in a different position) and once we get a bit of the possession, we have a better time during matches. So, to me, this is regardless of which position Fer was being used or the replacement will be used. The important thing is to get the ball and use it to our advantage.
Anyway it goes, I know look at every single game with a bit of optimism. Before Ramsey arrived, I was feeling as defeatist as the manager we had in place. And I think so were the players.
VAMOS QPR! I can't wait for the next match. This is a very long break! |  | | |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 19:11 - Feb 18 with 1859 views | BklynRanger |
So based on Clive's steroid-fueled analysis I wouldn't mind seeing us try this:
Green
Isla Nedum(is he fit?) Caulker Yun(got to be fit now shirley?)
Barton Sandro Henry
Phillips Zarate (both out wide)
Austin
With Sandro mainly defensive but pushing forward as much as he can. [Post edited 18 Feb 2015 19:12]
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| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 20:19 - Feb 18 with 1782 views | baz_qpr |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 15:13 - Feb 18 by Northernr |
I think we'll go a different shape here as
1) We do now seem to actually pay attention to what sort of opponent we're facing.
and
2) Hull have gone back to the back three they used last year.
So little point doing what we did at Sunderland, where Fer was always spare in the middle behind a striker, because Fer is injured and also HUll crowd that area of the pitch with an extra centre back and an extra central midfielder. All the space and chances against Hull come in behind their wing backs and Newcastle battered them, particularly the Scottish lad on the left, when they won here a few weeks ago. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 4-5-1, 4-3-3 type set up with Charlie alone up front but Phillips and Hoilett or Zarate on the extreme right and left with lots and lots of ball going wide early in moves. Phillips isolating and getting behind Van Aanholt was a big thing at Sunderland, and if he can do it to the same level this weekend we'll win. |
No one to hold the ball up though. I think you have to play bobby or Adel in order to keep the ball | | | |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 21:36 - Feb 18 with 1712 views | Northernr |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 20:19 - Feb 18 by baz_qpr |
No one to hold the ball up though. I think you have to play bobby or Adel in order to keep the ball |
Not the way we played at Sunderland - we very confidently held the ball in midfield by pressing high up the field and passing it. We didn't knock it long to Bobby, and when we did he didn't hold it particularly well - I thought he was poor until the goal. | | | |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 21:41 - Feb 18 with 1694 views | queensparker |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 21:36 - Feb 18 by Northernr |
Not the way we played at Sunderland - we very confidently held the ball in midfield by pressing high up the field and passing it. We didn't knock it long to Bobby, and when we did he didn't hold it particularly well - I thought he was poor until the goal. |
In fact, against Sunderland I though Fer ended up being the effective target man that far forward a la Fellaini - getting the high 50/50 balls from defence and giving them to the midfield to hold onto. It really looked like he'd found his position, which makes his injury so infuriating. |  | | |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 21:42 - Feb 18 with 1692 views | YorkRanger |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 15:13 - Feb 18 by Northernr |
I think we'll go a different shape here as
1) We do now seem to actually pay attention to what sort of opponent we're facing.
and
2) Hull have gone back to the back three they used last year.
So little point doing what we did at Sunderland, where Fer was always spare in the middle behind a striker, because Fer is injured and also HUll crowd that area of the pitch with an extra centre back and an extra central midfielder. All the space and chances against Hull come in behind their wing backs and Newcastle battered them, particularly the Scottish lad on the left, when they won here a few weeks ago. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 4-5-1, 4-3-3 type set up with Charlie alone up front but Phillips and Hoilett or Zarate on the extreme right and left with lots and lots of ball going wide early in moves. Phillips isolating and getting behind Van Aanholt was a big thing at Sunderland, and if he can do it to the same level this weekend we'll win. |
There is a lot of smoke being blown up Phillips a@se currently. Seems maybe he was as short on confidence as many suspected. Will be interesting to see if he can perform again on Saturday.... |  | | |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 22:41 - Feb 18 with 1596 views | ozranger |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 21:36 - Feb 18 by Northernr |
Not the way we played at Sunderland - we very confidently held the ball in midfield by pressing high up the field and passing it. We didn't knock it long to Bobby, and when we did he didn't hold it particularly well - I thought he was poor until the goal. |
And that, Clive, is the primary reason players like Fer did so well, in my opinion. We pressed (everywhere) and did so continuously during the game. Sunderland were badly caught out by it and thus we were able to take advantage and keep the ball in their half for most of the opening half hour. If we are pressing and winning the ball back in their half there will be less knocking the ball long to Bobby and thus less requirement for a tall player who can hold the ball up.
I think there is a different style of play, different tactics being presented by CR that see us more playing the ball on the ground and pushing to win it back at every opportunity. However, this of course leaves our delicate back line somewhat exposed as had been shown on more than one occasion at Sunderland. Missing Ned (and probably Dunne) really hurts.
Finally, and something still not mentioned, is Zamora's heading ability towards goal. He had a couple of decent chances at Sunderland and muffed them. Would Charlie have done better? I think we do need to swap Charlie in for Zamora. Yet, more than the heading ability, we need someone who can finish the delicate through balls into the box. That's his bread and butter. There's a lot of potential here but can it be unlocked? | | | |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 23:03 - Feb 18 with 1561 views | Northernr |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 22:41 - Feb 18 by ozranger |
And that, Clive, is the primary reason players like Fer did so well, in my opinion. We pressed (everywhere) and did so continuously during the game. Sunderland were badly caught out by it and thus we were able to take advantage and keep the ball in their half for most of the opening half hour. If we are pressing and winning the ball back in their half there will be less knocking the ball long to Bobby and thus less requirement for a tall player who can hold the ball up.
I think there is a different style of play, different tactics being presented by CR that see us more playing the ball on the ground and pushing to win it back at every opportunity. However, this of course leaves our delicate back line somewhat exposed as had been shown on more than one occasion at Sunderland. Missing Ned (and probably Dunne) really hurts.
Finally, and something still not mentioned, is Zamora's heading ability towards goal. He had a couple of decent chances at Sunderland and muffed them. Would Charlie have done better? I think we do need to swap Charlie in for Zamora. Yet, more than the heading ability, we need someone who can finish the delicate through balls into the box. That's his bread and butter. There's a lot of potential here but can it be unlocked? |
I just think Zamora can hardly jump any more from what I can see. He doesn't win headers, he pins defenders reasonably well, although didn't even do that at Sunderland.
If we can replicate that high press, fast start, confidence and ball retention at Hull we'll win, they're worse than Sunderland. | | | |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 11:27 - Feb 19 with 1414 views | PinnerPaul |
| Charlie for Leroy or maybe not? on 23:03 - Feb 18 by Northernr |
I just think Zamora can hardly jump any more from what I can see. He doesn't win headers, he pins defenders reasonably well, although didn't even do that at Sunderland.
If we can replicate that high press, fast start, confidence and ball retention at Hull we'll win, they're worse than Sunderland. |
hopefully the crowd will be as impatient as Sunderland's were.
However I expect Hull have more realistic expectations and of course they won't have the stigma of being the first to lose to us at home - both of which may mean the crowd are not so quick to turn on the players if we start well.
Start REALLY well and score a couple and it won't matter what their crowd do of course! | | | |
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