Shrewsbury vs Bradford City ended 1-1 with goals from Oteh, for Bradford and an equaliser from Josh Laurent (remember him). Sean Goss was also in the Shrewsbury team. ED - Do I get a prize for spotting Mr Goss? Incidentally, Oteh's goal was his 3rd in last 5 appearances. Could this be what loan spells are supposed to do?
The gloomy inevitability of another two goals left me resigned, reduced to a grim empty vessel, floating along in the misery of the South Africa Road stand, buffeted by shouts of 'forward', 'wake up' and 'anything other than total domination and a 46-game winning streak is not good enough for me' until I exited the ground to a torrent of grimy p!ss, streaming down from the grey west London skies, the cold, needle-like droplets skinning my fair cheeks and forcing me to wonder: has Adam Clayton been playing for Middlesbrough since 1973, oris that my imagination?
1. DEFENCE: I don't know. I have nothing new to say on the matter. Can we defend? I'm not sure. I think blaming us for not being able to defend doesn't quite stand up when the two goals we conceded, like so many goals this season, were not down to a defence unable to withstand quick passing or lots of pressure or high balls into the box, but by a wing back winning the ball then deciding not to collect the ball, and a striker deciding to play the ultimate assist, just to the wrong man in the wrong team at the wrong end. That's not about defending. Is it? Or is it the inevitable consequence of us trying to play football at all times? Even though in both those circumstances, pressure was not strong on the man making the mistake, is 96 minutes of high-risk football so much that, while we're actually far more comfortable doing it than what sounds like 95% of an extraordinarily screechy, jittery crowd who can't stand anything other than a big ol' hoof up the pitch, unless that is an actual tactic employed, in which case they'll tell you they love intricta epassing football, the law of averages means we'll always make two catastrophic errors that almost inevitably result in goals? I have no clue.
The only thing I will say is this: already the usual suspects are out. The Twitters are explodng. The Insta is imploding. The Facebook (is anyone still on that? How? Why?) is probably self-mutiilating. The same old posters who are fed up of any manager within three months are already beginning their lengthy campaign, as endless as the US political cycle, for change. For change may bring the one who will change it all and magically develop us into the club that we were. Once. For about 12 months. Rather than the one we are now, which is the one we have, on average, been for most of any of our lifetimes. But as we watch Liverpool conquer Europe and smash the double-champions and triple-crown winners into funny little light blue pieces, we all forget, don't we, how it was before the Coming of Virgil. When Liverpool, like us, tore everyone apart but constantly shipped goals. Their incredible yacht, so beautiful, yet a hull made of patched-up cling film. Are we going to be the new Liverpool? No. Are our defenwsive problems magically going to end? No. But as we have a manager who knows what he is doing, has made a side that created about one chance in a game into one that creates about 10 per game, can we just try not to go too hard on recriminations? Can we not get too upset about what he says in an interview when it doesn't tally precisely to what exactly we think he should say, even if saying that would be rank stupidity? Can we all calm down at games a bit? Can we all try enjoying it a bit more? Please?
2. HUGILL: There's been some great posts on here since Saturday, from Brian Mc, plus measured, sensible ones from jonno and gazza, and some great thoughts from Hunter. I'm usually on Hunter's side, but I wouldn't go quite as far as he did. I don't think, for example, that you should radically alter your game because it's rainy. I also don't think we should radically alter our game because we have a new back three - it's not like they're strangers, they see each other every day. But I was surprised that Hugill did not start for a whole load of reasons. I think he's playing well. I think Boro have a huge team, although not quite as ludicrously huge as they were last year, and we could've done with Hugill doing some bullying and some hold-up play. And there's also the fact it's his old club, his home town club, and superstition tells us he'll probably score if given most of the game (as it was, he could, maybe should, have had two). I don't think we should start abandoning the way we play - it needs to be tweaked of course, and practised, but to get better at a style you don't abandon it when things get tough. It works. We score a lot of goals. Teams are afraid of us. But it does seem odd to me that Hugill didn't start this one. His strength and power and ability to at least win a few balls in the air would have been invaluable. Still, I like to look at reasons why. Wells is on fire, scoring most weeks. So if you keep him, a midfielder has to go. You need Ball or a Ball-type. He wants to get Amos back in, I think, to help the back three or four have someone in the middle who will show for it and take it under pressure. I get that. It can't be Eze. So it's Chair. But take Chair out and we're left with one creative midfielder, who the oppo will then likely double mark, knowing his options are few. So I disagreed with it - but it's worth looking for reasons why, sometimes.
3. PLAN B: In my experience, people who talk about a Plan B mean a willingness to boot it randomly up the pitch and hope something happens. I've seen a few comments with Plan B coming up, the odd bit of pining for last year's Matt Smith. But it's a waste of time. MW will never play like this except maybe in utter desperation in the last minutes of a do or die game. That he doesn't do this does not make him inflexible, in my opinion. He's a man who understands the game and what is *most likely* to work. So strap in.
4. BALL: Really impressed with Bally on Saturday. I thought Amos was perhaps the only one in the chaotic opening minutes to show some real bite - two big, crunching tackles from him set the sort of tone we like to see. But it was Ball who played in that manner for longer. The big improvement for me was his touch on the ball - he controlled it well, shielded it well, and looked for the right pass every time. He may not be the best player we have, but he looks bulletproof in terms of belief and confidence. Never hides, always fights. Good to have around.
5. EZE: Customary Eze jerk. Thought he was great again. That late run, from the edge of his box, where he rode an assassination attempt from someone who didn't seem to get booked, and was only ended by a desperate foul just outside the box, was superb. He's becoming a leader, now, like Freeman did. Tiring of everyone else's failures, he finally just decided it was encumbent upon him to sort this mess out - and he very nearly did. Now basically playing centre midfield, working hard, yet as cool as a glacier throughout, never rushed, always seeing the bigger picture. Absolute gem.
6. LUMLEY: I think Kelly looks a decent keeper. I think Lummers is a decent keeper. Not really sure if there's much between them, but I wasn't sad when I saw his name on the teamsheet, and I thought he played very well in tough conditins. He punched when he had to, could do nothing about the goals and shambles in front of him, and his kicking was assured, despite the panic in the stands. Real fight on for that spot in goal.
If Clive wishes to remove this thread I am more than happy for him to do so but it isn't about me trying to glorify football hooliganism, it honestly wasn't ever my 'thing' after I was hit with an orange with a razor blade in it around 1968 and later up at Maine Road when the Kippax began raining pieces of slate down at us and one R had his face sliced open. My thinking is that I wanted to put a small piece together for AKUTR'S about the various crews that QPR had during those times and the bizarre rivalry they had among each other. I am hoping to speak to one or two of the faces whilst at games but I will have to rely on input from posters on here and other message boards for a wider picture. I am not really interested in stories of how (x) QPR mob ran such and such at a game but I am fascinated by the rivalry between the different QPR mobs which, considering that we aren't one of the 'big' clubs strikes me as quite bizzare and it seems to be centred around the Northolt/ Ruislip R's not getting on with any of the others. As I say I have very little experience of this other than a meet up with mobs from a few of the other clubs who had had problems with the MIG's at Kennilworth Road during the ban so decided to hire a couple of mini buses and intercepted the Luton coaches in a service station on their way to either Ipswich or Norwich. If people are uncomfortable about identifying themselves as being involved in what was criminal activity then broad brush descriptions are more than helpful enough but as I say, it isn't to glorify the fighting etc. it is to reach an understanding why QPR mobs didn't get on with each other. There are a number of posters on here who can vouch that I am not old Bill or looking to get anyone stitched up
Been stalking here for many years but never posted before but feel the need to share and maybe warn others to be vigilant.
I’ve noticed a few times this season that I’ve been short changed when buying a program and using the food kiosk in the lower loft.
I hadn’t thought it a big deal until Saturday when before the game a man with a couple of kids asked the lady serving for 2 programs.., he gave her a tenner and she said that will be £2 change, I remonstrated and said " no it’s 7 for 2 programs " she looked pretty sheepish and apologised, then just after half time an elderly lady was telling a girl in the food kiosk she hadn’t received enough money back. Now I’m either getting paranoid in my old age or there’s something dodgy going on.
Has anyone else noticed this? If yes I’m sure amongst the regular posters someone can have a word with the club to sort it out
If not I’ll realise all those health warnings about drugs back in the day were correct and those blokes in the BT van at the end of the road aren’t waiting for me to go to work to bang the missus ( although we get BT sports free for some reason?? )
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...you'd think that over the many years I've managed to avoid deportation that I'd have become more interested in this competition. Sadly no. Not that I don't want to be a fan, but its sorta like the Premier League, it's there, it's available on tv but I just can't be arsed. I've actually attended a couple, no make that three, finals and had a bloody great time at two of 'em, one in Dallas, the other in DC, but good time or not, the outfit I was following, New England Revolution, came home without the big enchilada, so bollox. Anyway, today saw Seattle(in puke green), entertain Toronto for the honours. Our Canadian friends piss all over 'em then lose 3-1 in front of 70,000. We wuz robbed, eh! (That's an in house canuck joke there, not intended to be understood by residents of W12).
For the one or two that may be interested. I don't know these two and couldn't give a toss about either of them.
BUT... as I am a boxing fan I have to say fair play to both of them. More Rocky style than the fine arts of boxing but this was far far more entertaining than a number of so called pro bouts I have seen recently. Considering this was their first ever PRO bout it's mad but entertaining (despite the 200 count for KSI in the middle). I have no idea why they have so many followers but this is actually an entertaining fight between two lads giving it a right go. Albeit not for the purist.
More crap from var officials at Anfield today.How can they not see a Liverpool player stick an arm out and stop the ball? And their 2nd goal looked more offside than the one not allowed by a sheff Utd player yesterday? It has to be used properly or not at all.
While we are all moaning about the defence it was good to see yet another great set piece goal from a corner with Hall scoring again although the officials gave it as an og. From my angle, and I said this before the ball even got to Hall, he was going to get a free header, such was the blocking and movement of the players to set up the goal.. and of course the delivery from Eze. As with the other goal against Brentford, there was not a defender within a yard of him. Been some time since we have had a goal threat from set plays. Something that has been worked on at training is paying off.
Just wondering who our defence coach is? Is It part of the job spec to concede two goals a game?Passing out from the back is pretty but sometimes (as we saw today) a big fat boot through the ball wouldn’t go amiss.
Don’t get me wrong, this season is truly enjoyable compared to some of the recent stuff we have had to endure . I am sure Mr Warburton is also looking at our leaky defence but one can muse over these things after being at a cold wet Kiyan Prince Foundation Stadium and seeing our clumsy defence play tipper tapper.