| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 20:42 - Sep 28 with 5990 views | Yyy |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 18:50 - Sep 28 by exhmrc1 |
Has this book examined the Morris story of events. It was known he was never without this chain yet he now claims to have left it when having sex with Mandy 24 hours before. Would someone who left it there not have gone back sometime the next day. He spent most of the day in a pub 1/2 mile away rom the murder scene 10 minutes walk away but never went to get an item he cherished. In fact the earliest he would have gone to collect it would have been the Sunday 2 days after he claimed he was there.
Given the fact he always had the chain around his neck would not someone in the pub not have noticed this.
As far the his claim he intended going to his mothers. She lived in Swansea. On leaving the New Inn the road goes one of two ways. Turning left would have taken him through Clydach, Ynystawe and probably Morriston. Turning right would have taken him up to Craag Cefn Parc and back along Rhyddwen Road past his house to the Millers through to Llangyfelach. The only other routes would have been through woods and fields and given he had done nothing why would he choose these.
I am all for proving guilt. I believed Evans conviction was unsafe and also have severe doubts over the Adam Johnson case for the same reason.
However there is actual evidence in this case and I believe this evidence is as good as you will ever get other than an admission. |
He was with his girlfriend on that Saturday that is why he did not go back to retrieve the chain.
This is also why he lied about his chain as his girlfriend and mandy power were friends and he didn't want her to find out.
He said he was walking to his mother's in gendros due to an argument with his girlfriend .From what I understand this was not uncommon for there relationship for him to stay elsewhere when they argued. |  | |  |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 20:42 - Sep 28 with 5990 views | Rogerstone |
Wasnt it also mentioned that some of the wounds were if they had been done by someone' who knew martial arts?
And someone in the police said that homosexual murders tend to quite violent.
It's just wat i heard at the time in Clydach |  |
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 21:19 - Sep 28 with 5944 views | Wingstandwood |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 20:42 - Sep 28 by Rogerstone |
Wasnt it also mentioned that some of the wounds were if they had been done by someone' who knew martial arts?
And someone in the police said that homosexual murders tend to quite violent.
It's just wat i heard at the time in Clydach |
I’ll debunk this one also! Morris defence said that it would have taken a martial arts expert proficient in Bo Staff type weapon to do the Clydach murders. Just think? Vast numbers of blunt force trauma murders have been committed where the murderer had zero martial arts training. There was one high profile case in Wales involving the murder of a famous ex-Welsh international/British Lions rugby player’s sister and her four children.
Death by martial artist?.........Nah bin it with conspiracy theorists lies, urban myths, denial, tin-foil hattery, fantasy-based-confirmation-bias and complete and utter b#llshit! |  |
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 21:53 - Sep 28 with 5896 views | FieryJack |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 21:19 - Sep 28 by Wingstandwood |
I’ll debunk this one also! Morris defence said that it would have taken a martial arts expert proficient in Bo Staff type weapon to do the Clydach murders. Just think? Vast numbers of blunt force trauma murders have been committed where the murderer had zero martial arts training. There was one high profile case in Wales involving the murder of a famous ex-Welsh international/British Lions rugby player’s sister and her four children.
Death by martial artist?.........Nah bin it with conspiracy theorists lies, urban myths, denial, tin-foil hattery, fantasy-based-confirmation-bias and complete and utter b#llshit! |
😂 Love that last sentence.
Death by martial artist 😂 - nearly happened to me years ago when I got into an altercation with 2 kick-boxers near St. Mary's Church - not martial artists, exactly - but close enough. |  | | |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 22:16 - Sep 28 with 5866 views | Yyy |
're martial arts actually not Bill shut
Both sides agreed that the pole was welded with extremely control due to the impact areas on each body also due the the last on impact on the surrounding walls in each room on 1 light build was hit.
I wish people would actually look into things before posting utter shut | | | |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 22:20 - Sep 28 with 5856 views | Meraki |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 22:16 - Sep 28 by Yyy |
're martial arts actually not Bill shut
Both sides agreed that the pole was welded with extremely control due to the impact areas on each body also due the the last on impact on the surrounding walls in each room on 1 light build was hit.
I wish people would actually look into things before posting utter shut |
Could of been a baseball player? | | | |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 22:22 - Sep 28 with 5856 views | dcd14 |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 21:19 - Sep 28 by Wingstandwood |
I’ll debunk this one also! Morris defence said that it would have taken a martial arts expert proficient in Bo Staff type weapon to do the Clydach murders. Just think? Vast numbers of blunt force trauma murders have been committed where the murderer had zero martial arts training. There was one high profile case in Wales involving the murder of a famous ex-Welsh international/British Lions rugby player’s sister and her four children.
Death by martial artist?.........Nah bin it with conspiracy theorists lies, urban myths, denial, tin-foil hattery, fantasy-based-confirmation-bias and complete and utter b#llshit! |
That information came from a former police officer/martial arts expert.
It was he who said that the he didn't believe anyone without extensive martial arts training or police officer training would be capable of being that accurate in regards to the strikes
Former police officer Mick Finn was called as an expert witness on the fifth day of the defence case. Finn is one of the world’s leading experts on martial arts, having studied the discipline since 1955 both in Britain and Japan. The holder of 40 black belts in ten martial arts, he has taught and advised British and American police forces on various arrest methods. He has also lectured on the subject at several universities, including Cambridge. He is often called to give expert evidence in both civil and criminal cases involving martial arts and the misuse of weapons and violence. No one is more qualified to give evidence in this field than Mick Finn. Giving his evidence, Finn told the court that he had examined pictures of the murder weapon, along with a video of the crime scene. He had read the postmortem reports, knew the dimensions of 9 Kelvin Road, and had seen photographs of the fatal injuries inflicted on the victims. He told the court that the dimensions of the murder weapon meant that it resembled a weapon used in martial arts known as a jÅ, a pole-like weapon about four feet long. A bÅ, he told the court, was a similar weapon but was about six feet in length. ‘Someone who was trained in the use of a bÅ would be able to use those techniques with a jÅ,’ he told the court. ‘With a jÅ, both ends of the weapon are used, but, with a bÅ, the striking tended to be with one end.’ Finn said control and accuracy were crucial in martial arts, and practitioners would learn and know that there were a number of vital ‘striking’ areas on the human body. He told how, after studying pathology reports, he had drawn a diagram of the injuries inflicted on Mandy Power and the other victims, and had compared these to the ‘vital points’ shown on a martial arts chart. After examining the injuries collectively, his view was that they had a consistency, suggesting that the killer had knowledge of martial arts and the vital striking areas. In his opinion, the injuries could have been inflicted only by someone specially trained in the use of weapons, either a police officer or a martial arts exponent. Finn did not agree with prosecuting counsel’s suggestion that the injuries could have been caused by someone with no specialist training. Based on his own experience, coupled with nine years working as a police officer, Finn told the court that people who did not have such knowledge tended to deliver blows that were wild and random. ‘The head injuries suffered by the four deceased showed a consistency of target,’ he said. He felt there had been a degree of control in the execution of these injuries, and it was significant that there was no carry-through to other parts of the body. ‘There are indications here that the person who inflicted these injuries had had some martial arts training.’ While standing in the witness box, Finn gave a demonstration with a four-foot broom handle, showing how the instrument could be used as a weapon by performing a series of high-speed manoeuvres. ‘It was significant that there were no marks from the murder weapon on the walls or ceiling,’ Finn said. ‘This shows it had been wielded with a degree of control. An expert would be able to wield a bÅ in a confined space. You can get a lot of power in a very short distance,’ he said. Cross-examined by Patrick Harrington, Finn said he did not know that Morris was ‘used to wielding a sledgehammer in confined spaces’ as a builder’s labourer. Harrington suggested: ‘While these injuries might be consistent with having been inflicted by a person with martial arts training, they could equally have been inflicted by a person without it.’ But Mick Finn rebutted Harrington’s suggestion: ‘No, I don’t agree with that,’ he said. He was adamant: the injuries inflicted on the victims could have been inflicted only by someone with police or martial arts training. |  | | |
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 00:00 - Nov 24 with 5186 views | jack_lord |
Why is it that only police officers and martial arts experts are capable of this?
Are the rest of the population not able, including the armed forces? |  |
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 01:02 - Nov 24 with 5158 views | theloneranger |
It can't be the twin brothers, one was a Sergeant and the other an Inspector.
The 2 cops arrested in this article are both Detective Constables |  |
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 11:50 - Nov 24 with 5003 views | Wingstandwood |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 22:22 - Sep 28 by dcd14 |
That information came from a former police officer/martial arts expert.
It was he who said that the he didn't believe anyone without extensive martial arts training or police officer training would be capable of being that accurate in regards to the strikes
Former police officer Mick Finn was called as an expert witness on the fifth day of the defence case. Finn is one of the world’s leading experts on martial arts, having studied the discipline since 1955 both in Britain and Japan. The holder of 40 black belts in ten martial arts, he has taught and advised British and American police forces on various arrest methods. He has also lectured on the subject at several universities, including Cambridge. He is often called to give expert evidence in both civil and criminal cases involving martial arts and the misuse of weapons and violence. No one is more qualified to give evidence in this field than Mick Finn. Giving his evidence, Finn told the court that he had examined pictures of the murder weapon, along with a video of the crime scene. He had read the postmortem reports, knew the dimensions of 9 Kelvin Road, and had seen photographs of the fatal injuries inflicted on the victims. He told the court that the dimensions of the murder weapon meant that it resembled a weapon used in martial arts known as a jÅ, a pole-like weapon about four feet long. A bÅ, he told the court, was a similar weapon but was about six feet in length. ‘Someone who was trained in the use of a bÅ would be able to use those techniques with a jÅ,’ he told the court. ‘With a jÅ, both ends of the weapon are used, but, with a bÅ, the striking tended to be with one end.’ Finn said control and accuracy were crucial in martial arts, and practitioners would learn and know that there were a number of vital ‘striking’ areas on the human body. He told how, after studying pathology reports, he had drawn a diagram of the injuries inflicted on Mandy Power and the other victims, and had compared these to the ‘vital points’ shown on a martial arts chart. After examining the injuries collectively, his view was that they had a consistency, suggesting that the killer had knowledge of martial arts and the vital striking areas. In his opinion, the injuries could have been inflicted only by someone specially trained in the use of weapons, either a police officer or a martial arts exponent. Finn did not agree with prosecuting counsel’s suggestion that the injuries could have been caused by someone with no specialist training. Based on his own experience, coupled with nine years working as a police officer, Finn told the court that people who did not have such knowledge tended to deliver blows that were wild and random. ‘The head injuries suffered by the four deceased showed a consistency of target,’ he said. He felt there had been a degree of control in the execution of these injuries, and it was significant that there was no carry-through to other parts of the body. ‘There are indications here that the person who inflicted these injuries had had some martial arts training.’ While standing in the witness box, Finn gave a demonstration with a four-foot broom handle, showing how the instrument could be used as a weapon by performing a series of high-speed manoeuvres. ‘It was significant that there were no marks from the murder weapon on the walls or ceiling,’ Finn said. ‘This shows it had been wielded with a degree of control. An expert would be able to wield a bÅ in a confined space. You can get a lot of power in a very short distance,’ he said. Cross-examined by Patrick Harrington, Finn said he did not know that Morris was ‘used to wielding a sledgehammer in confined spaces’ as a builder’s labourer. Harrington suggested: ‘While these injuries might be consistent with having been inflicted by a person with martial arts training, they could equally have been inflicted by a person without it.’ But Mick Finn rebutted Harrington’s suggestion: ‘No, I don’t agree with that,’ he said. He was adamant: the injuries inflicted on the victims could have been inflicted only by someone with police or martial arts training. |
I’ve worked on a (of type you plug into a wall) portable blacksmiths forge, two others on here, on this forum have also, my claims can indeed be proven.
I can hit and have hit by means of downward overhead motion the impact area of a blacksmiths flatter with a long handled sledge, it takes no unique, special skill. Many if not most on here could do it no problem IMO.
I only tended to miss when fatigue kicked in. That impact area of a flatter is vastly smaller than human anatomical parts. I can also wield a similar sized four foot wrecking bar with accuracy also. And if in confined space? Thats all I need to do is? I adjust my grip (hands placed higher up) to compensate. Seriously its not rocket science, I and others on here will know exactly what I'm taking about! No lies!
The cluster injuries were unremarkable because one victim was in bed, one cowering on the floor and the others only needed one or two blows for them to be incapacitated to present easy targets. You see victims static/semi-static, unconscious, semi-conscious, in a state of shock, in a coma, or already dead present cluster-injury inevitabilty i.e. absolutely impossible to miss. [Post edited 24 Nov 2017 11:54]
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 13:15 - Nov 24 with 4943 views | majorraglan |
I do not believe that police officers would have the level of training that would give them the a similar level of skill to a “martial arts expert”. [Post edited 24 Nov 2017 13:17]
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 14:34 - Nov 24 with 4885 views | Highjack |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 13:15 - Nov 24 by majorraglan |
I do not believe that police officers would have the level of training that would give them the a similar level of skill to a “martial arts expert”. [Post edited 24 Nov 2017 13:17]
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I doubt police officers have extensive training in using blunt weapons to bludgeon people to death.
Their time is almost exclusively used harrassing motorists and hanging about in gentlemens lavatories. |  |
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 18:37 - Nov 24 with 4722 views | Wingstandwood |
Thanks for that link, an absolute humdinger! | |
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 18:40 - Nov 24 with 4719 views | exiledclaseboy |
My Mrs showed no more interest in this case than the average person until she read this book. Now she’s on a “David Morris is innocent” crusade. She’s got way too much time on her hands at the moment.
Apologies if this has been said but the author is apparently giving a talk about the case in Gorseinon at the start of December. |  |
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 18:46 - Nov 24 with 4707 views | dickythorpe |
Who was the woman who jumped to her death from the top of Dyfatty flats? Is that in the book ECB? |  | | |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 18:55 - Nov 24 with 4696 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 18:46 - Nov 24 by dickythorpe |
Who was the woman who jumped to her death from the top of Dyfatty flats? Is that in the book ECB? |
No idea mate I haven’t read it and tend to zone out when she’s talked about it. | |
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 20:06 - Nov 24 with 4633 views | Flashberryjack |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 18:55 - Nov 24 by exiledclaseboy |
No idea mate I haven’t read it and tend to zone out when she’s talked about it. |
Best thing you could do mate.....when someone thinks they know better after reading a book, than 2 juries, 2 judges, CPS , the police and the family, time to give it a miss. |  |
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 20:17 - Nov 24 with 4621 views | theloneranger |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 20:06 - Nov 24 by Flashberryjack |
Best thing you could do mate.....when someone thinks they know better after reading a book, than 2 juries, 2 judges, CPS , the police and the family, time to give it a miss. |
The same author believes Jack the Ripper is a woman!! 🤔🤔 | |
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 20:35 - Nov 24 with 4599 views | lifelong |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 20:17 - Nov 24 by theloneranger |
The same author believes Jack the Ripper is a woman!! 🤔🤔 |
If somebody wrote a book about the Earth being flat some people would believe it..oh, hang on... |  | | |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 21:29 - Nov 24 with 4550 views | dickythorpe |
There's a book that calls Huw Jenkins "shrewd" | | | |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 21:33 - Nov 24 with 4539 views | Flashberryjack |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 21:29 - Nov 24 by dickythorpe |
There's a book that calls Huw Jenkins "shrewd" |
There's also a film called "From a Jack to a King" shirely that's got to be true....isn't it ? | |
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 21:38 - Nov 24 with 4535 views | Banosswan |
| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 21:33 - Nov 24 by Flashberryjack |
There's also a film called "From a Jack to a King" shirely that's got to be true....isn't it ? |
Frodo Jenkins |  |
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| Clydach murders new book coming out. on 00:26 - Nov 25 with 4460 views | owainglyndwr |
One thing is for certain most people from Clydach think the police are involved |  | | |
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