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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:56 - Nov 13 with 628 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 19:31 - Nov 13 by Jango

Who’s gonna be the first to resign in the next 24 hours then?


Hopefully May.

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The Countdown begins. on 20:50 - Nov 13 with 590 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 19:00 - Nov 13 by Catullus

Not really, it's a given that Starmer will vote against, partly because any deal will fail his tests and partly because he's an ardent remainer.
It's been obvious for ages that Labour are using this to try and bring about a GE. They've been hoping for a Tory rebellion. Bojo and the others will vote against it because they say it goes against democracy.


It’s just the next step in the grand plan of keeping us in at all costs.

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The Countdown begins. on 20:54 - Nov 13 with 585 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 19:04 - Nov 13 by Catullus

No parliament is truly sovereign if it has to obey any rules or laws set by any outside organisation, especially when it cannot negotiate those rules and get them changed. That second bit is what Bojo is claiming in his latest tirade.
Without seeing the deal none of us can know for sure but I reckon Labour, Bojo (and that crowd) along with the DUP will vote it down. Then it'll be a people's vote or possibly no deal!


Currently parliament has complete autonomy over the laws of the U.K. nothing can become law without the U.K. parliament allowing it to. If the deal May has apparently negotiated survives we’ll still have to obey most of those rules but we won’t have any say in how they’re made or any choice.

Taking back control. Suck it up, leaver losers.

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The Countdown begins. on 20:59 - Nov 13 with 579 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 20:50 - Nov 13 by Highjack

It’s just the next step in the grand plan of keeping us in at all costs.


If only we could be members with a reduction off the membership fee, an exemption from having to join the common currency and the ability to block EU proposals we don’t agree with relating to foreign affairs, taxation, justice and the EU budget.

I’m sure something like that would be seen as a vast improvement over the dog’s dinner May is offering.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:03 - Nov 13 with 568 viewsShaky

Theresa May faces a fight to seal her Brexit deal
PM must first persuade cabinet and then the Commons
By Sebastian Payne

FT, 13 November 2018

It is finally happening. After 19 months of fraught negotiations, a tentative Brexit agreement has been provisionally sealed at a “ technical level”. The critical matters of contention between the UK and the EU appear to have been resolved. Now it is over to the politicians to finalise this protracted process.

The fine details of the emerging Brexit deal are sketchy. But reports suggest it is akin to what has been evolving for months: the divorce bill, the transition period, the UK-wide backstop for the Irish border and the possibility of a longer-term customs union for Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Cabinet ministers are visiting Downing Street on Tuesday evening to read the latest text of the 500-page draft document and consult with Theresa May, the prime minister, on whether they think it is acceptable.

This will be followed by an impromptu meeting of Mrs May’s Cabinet on Wednesday. If the prime minister convinces her ministers to back the provisional agreement, it can then be presented to the EU27 nations at a summit later this month. The UK and EU will publish two complete documents: the withdrawal agreement and the political declaration on the long-term relationship. And then the deal will go before the British and European parliaments for ratification before March 2019. The question now is not whether a deal can be done, but whether there is the political will to seal it.

Downing Street has long factored in ministerial resignations as part of the process of bringing home a deal. No more ministers may resign, deciding the risks of collapsing the government or no Brexit at all are too great. But all eyes will be on a quartet to see if they walk tomorrow.

Penny Mordaunt, the international development secretary and a key voice in the Vote Leave campaign, has made it known that the cabinet and parliament will act as a check on any Brexit deal. She may decide that the trade-offs in the draft text are too much to stomach. The same goes for Esther McVey, the work and pensions secretary, and Andrea Leadsom, leader of the House of Commons. Both have been increasingly uneasy at the direction of the talks.

All three could resign, yet the government would most likely stumble on. There are plenty of junior ministers vying for promotion who would happily put aside any qualms about a deal to take ministerial office. The only figure who really matters is Dominic Raab, the Brexit secretary. He has been one of the loudest voices against an indefinite backstop— the insurance policy for maintaining a soft Irish border — without a clear exit clause. Now he will have to explain how the emerging deal is consistent with his past commitments. If Mr Raab were to resign, it would likely spell the end for both the deal and Mrs May. But if Mr Raab stays, Brexit-supporting MPs could be more likely to back the prime minister.

For Mrs May the next 48 hours will be some of the most important of her career. If she can get this prospective agreement through the cabinet without major problems, she will then face the fearsome task of passing it through the House of Commons. The resignation of minister Jo Johnson last Friday undoubtedly makes that task much trickier.

A significant proportion of Tory MPs seem to think it is dead on arrival. But MPs of all stripes — especially Conservatives — are about to be hit with a ferocious PR and whipping operation. There are widespread doubts in Westminster about the prospects of any deal succeeding. But the politics of Brexit have been highly volatile ever since the referendum. That volatility is about to intensify.

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The Countdown begins. on 21:04 - Nov 13 with 567 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 20:54 - Nov 13 by exiledclaseboy

Currently parliament has complete autonomy over the laws of the U.K. nothing can become law without the U.K. parliament allowing it to. If the deal May has apparently negotiated survives we’ll still have to obey most of those rules but we won’t have any say in how they’re made or any choice.

Taking back control. Suck it up, leaver losers.


The European Communities Act, passed by Parliament in 1972, accepted the supremacy of EU law. That principle has also been endorsed by the UK courts.

You could check that with fullfact.org

Parliament refusing any EU law would be incompatible with continued EU membership......

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-law-and-uk/

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The Countdown begins. on 21:10 - Nov 13 with 560 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 21:04 - Nov 13 by Catullus

The European Communities Act, passed by Parliament in 1972, accepted the supremacy of EU law. That principle has also been endorsed by the UK courts.

You could check that with fullfact.org

Parliament refusing any EU law would be incompatible with continued EU membership......

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-law-and-uk/


Yes. Keep your whistling smilies mush. I know all that. You even said it yourself. ECA72 is an Act of the U.K. parliament which allows EU law primacy. And Parliament has always had the power to amend or repeal ECA72, ending the primacy of EU law in the U.K. That power has always lain in the hands of the U.K. parliament. In fact, repealing ECA72 is exactly what’s happening at 11pm on 29 March 2019. Could have happened any time had the sovereign U.K. parliament desired it.

Parliament is sovereign. Always has been.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:13 - Nov 13 with 551 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 20:59 - Nov 13 by LeonWasGod

If only we could be members with a reduction off the membership fee, an exemption from having to join the common currency and the ability to block EU proposals we don’t agree with relating to foreign affairs, taxation, justice and the EU budget.

I’m sure something like that would be seen as a vast improvement over the dog’s dinner May is offering.


No that's not enough.

Immigration is the issue , so we also need an opt out of Schengen and have the right to deport EU nationals after 3 months if they can't support themselves financially

If only such a deal was on the table..

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The Countdown begins. on 21:15 - Nov 13 with 546 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 20:59 - Nov 13 by LeonWasGod

If only we could be members with a reduction off the membership fee, an exemption from having to join the common currency and the ability to block EU proposals we don’t agree with relating to foreign affairs, taxation, justice and the EU budget.

I’m sure something like that would be seen as a vast improvement over the dog’s dinner May is offering.


That would be brilliant! Especially if we could continue to be allowed to drag our feet and stick obstacles in the way of moves to close down tax havens.

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The Countdown begins. on 21:21 - Nov 13 with 530 viewsDan_Swan

The Countdown begins. on 21:13 - Nov 13 by sherpajacob

No that's not enough.

Immigration is the issue , so we also need an opt out of Schengen and have the right to deport EU nationals after 3 months if they can't support themselves financially

If only such a deal was on the table..


I could be wrong, but I was of the opinion that the UK is not part of Schengen.

Still following Dr's orders!

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The Countdown begins. on 21:21 - Nov 13 with 528 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 21:13 - Nov 13 by sherpajacob

No that's not enough.

Immigration is the issue , so we also need an opt out of Schengen and have the right to deport EU nationals after 3 months if they can't support themselves financially

If only such a deal was on the table..


And be allowed to insist on 5 years employment before workers from other EU countries are entitled to social benefits like the Germans do.

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The Countdown begins. on 21:24 - Nov 13 with 516 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 21:13 - Nov 13 by sherpajacob

No that's not enough.

Immigration is the issue , so we also need an opt out of Schengen and have the right to deport EU nationals after 3 months if they can't support themselves financially

If only such a deal was on the table..


Oh come on! That’s pure fantasy - would never be allowed.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:32 - Nov 13 with 506 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 21:10 - Nov 13 by exiledclaseboy

Yes. Keep your whistling smilies mush. I know all that. You even said it yourself. ECA72 is an Act of the U.K. parliament which allows EU law primacy. And Parliament has always had the power to amend or repeal ECA72, ending the primacy of EU law in the U.K. That power has always lain in the hands of the U.K. parliament. In fact, repealing ECA72 is exactly what’s happening at 11pm on 29 March 2019. Could have happened any time had the sovereign U.K. parliament desired it.

Parliament is sovereign. Always has been.
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The perfect response to the common complaint that we have no control. We’re where we are by choice, and indeed have talen a lead role in shaping our terms with the EU and the currect structure of the EU, including expansion. And the people voted for it, repeatedly. We can end it any time (government incompetence aside).

It’s surprising how many people don’t seem to realise this.
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The Countdown begins. on 22:28 - Nov 13 with 465 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 21:21 - Nov 13 by Dan_Swan

I could be wrong, but I was of the opinion that the UK is not part of Schengen.


Are you saying we can control our own immigration whilst staying in the EU?

This is news to many.

Quick someone tell Theresa, " Hold everything, don't sign us out"

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The Countdown begins. on 23:30 - Nov 13 with 433 viewspikeypaul

The Countdown begins. on 21:32 - Nov 13 by LeonWasGod

The perfect response to the common complaint that we have no control. We’re where we are by choice, and indeed have talen a lead role in shaping our terms with the EU and the currect structure of the EU, including expansion. And the people voted for it, repeatedly. We can end it any time (government incompetence aside).

It’s surprising how many people don’t seem to realise this.


Yawn

so you have still not accepted the will of the people and democracy have you.

You should go and live somewhere with a dictator you will then feel at home or better still FO to Brussels when we are out,because one thing is for sure sunshine one way or the other that’s what’s happening.

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The Countdown begins. on 05:18 - Nov 14 with 398 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 23:30 - Nov 13 by pikeypaul

Yawn

so you have still not accepted the will of the people and democracy have you.

You should go and live somewhere with a dictator you will then feel at home or better still FO to Brussels when we are out,because one thing is for sure sunshine one way or the other that’s what’s happening.

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Pikey,

Look up ‘shorting the market’ to see why Brexit was dear to some very wealthy people.
They dog whistle the half wits with immigration and the union flag - and walk away with a stack of money for themselves.

This is Brexit.

Nobody could deliver Brexit successfully.
But the maybots approach to hide the reality, simply could not last.

Resignations tomorrow to try and avoid blame by association.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/335am-june-24-2016-sterling-is-in-f
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The Countdown begins. on 06:16 - Nov 14 with 390 viewspikeypaul

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The Countdown begins. on 09:10 - Nov 14 with 335 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 06:16 - Nov 14 by pikeypaul

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Aw - bless his little polyester socks, the penny still hasn’t dropped.
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David Davis on Brexit


"The first calling point of the UK's negotiator immediately after #Brexit will not be Brussels, it will be Berlin, to strike a deal"
May 2016

"Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU"
July 2016

"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."
October 2016

"We can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019."
January 2017

"This is the moment of truth. This is the fork in the road. Do we pursue a future as an independent nation or accept EU domination, imprisonment in the customs union and 2nd class status. Cabinet and all Conservative MPs should stand up, be counted and say no to this capitulation."
November 2018
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The Countdown begins. on 10:41 - Nov 14 with 302 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 10:37 - Nov 14 by Batterseajack

David Davis on Brexit


"The first calling point of the UK's negotiator immediately after #Brexit will not be Brussels, it will be Berlin, to strike a deal"
May 2016

"Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU"
July 2016

"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."
October 2016

"We can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019."
January 2017

"This is the moment of truth. This is the fork in the road. Do we pursue a future as an independent nation or accept EU domination, imprisonment in the customs union and 2nd class status. Cabinet and all Conservative MPs should stand up, be counted and say no to this capitulation."
November 2018


He's spectacularly dim.

"Even supporters at the Brexit select committee are beginning to worry that Davis’s air of stupidity may not be an act" - John Crace.

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The Countdown begins. on 11:32 - Nov 14 with 286 viewsBatterseajack

Brexiters and the ERG have a lot to answer for...

When the government hid behind secrecy, we were assured all was well.

Don't you realise that the government heeds to hold its cards close to its chest, we were told.


When the government was asked for information as to how it was preparing, like the sector access reports, Brexiteers said that "commercial sensitivity, don't you know".

But again it was BS.


When David Davis and Boris Johnson boasted and blustered with their "go and whistle" and "cake" and "excruciating detail" and "row of the summer" the Brexiteers were taken in.

But behind the bluster and boasts, there was nothing.


When select committee pressed the government for details about Brexit, Brexiteers attacked the select committees.

And so on.


And each time the government sought to hide behind its prerogative powers, rather than properly involving parliament, Brexiteers cheered the government on.

Parliament was seen as an obstacle.


So now behold, Brexiteers, where letting the government hide behind bluster and boasts and secrecy and the prerogative has got you.

A Brexit few, if any, Brexiteers want.

Now they clamour for disclosure and parliamentary control.

But it is too late.

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The Countdown begins. on 14:39 - Nov 14 with 231 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 21:10 - Nov 13 by exiledclaseboy

Yes. Keep your whistling smilies mush. I know all that. You even said it yourself. ECA72 is an Act of the U.K. parliament which allows EU law primacy. And Parliament has always had the power to amend or repeal ECA72, ending the primacy of EU law in the U.K. That power has always lain in the hands of the U.K. parliament. In fact, repealing ECA72 is exactly what’s happening at 11pm on 29 March 2019. Could have happened any time had the sovereign U.K. parliament desired it.

Parliament is sovereign. Always has been.
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You've just said it yourself, to reclaim sovereignty Parliament has to repeal that act and we have to leave the EU.
As long as we are members of the EU, parliament has to sumit to EU laws so by definition is not sovereign.

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The Countdown begins. on 14:43 - Nov 14 with 227 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 20:59 - Nov 13 by LeonWasGod

If only we could be members with a reduction off the membership fee, an exemption from having to join the common currency and the ability to block EU proposals we don’t agree with relating to foreign affairs, taxation, justice and the EU budget.

I’m sure something like that would be seen as a vast improvement over the dog’s dinner May is offering.


That wouldn't have happened if we'd voted remain, the process of removing all rebates has started.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-budget-rebate-gunther-o

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The Countdown begins. on 14:44 - Nov 14 with 227 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 14:39 - Nov 14 by Catullus

You've just said it yourself, to reclaim sovereignty Parliament has to repeal that act and we have to leave the EU.
As long as we are members of the EU, parliament has to sumit to EU laws so by definition is not sovereign.


Yes we are completely sovereign as long as we follow rules set down by others otherwise we face disciplinary action.

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