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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:15 - Nov 15 with 545 viewsNogginthenog

Dominic Raab "Dover and out"
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The Countdown begins. on 16:45 - Nov 15 with 497 viewsCatullus

The long and the short of it is this, the EU will only offer us a deal that sees them retain control and retain primacy. We cannot be tied into an open ended agreement where we cannot leave without every other members agreement, that is not a brexit of any kind. Because of Labours 6 tests there is no agreement leave will accept that Labour will vote for and any backstop deal seems to mean the DUP will vote against too.
Quite literally it is obvious there is no deal that can or will be offered that will be accepted.

We are left with the binary choice (logically) of having another referendum which asks should we remain or should we leave with no deal.
It's the only thing left that makes sense now, otherwise (if it's possible) there only be even more chaos.
May needs to bite that bullet and put it to the people. Honestly, I think we'd choose remain. Better to be in with the same deal as everyone else than in a bad deal with no say on things. The only other thing May can do then is go to the EU27 (well ignore France and Germany because they have their own agendas) and ask them to support a reorganisation of the EU, change the rules and make the EU more democratic, more accountable and more open.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 17:00 - Nov 15 with 476 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Farage: this is the worst deal in history
Interviewer: have you read it all
Farage: No.....err.. but my legal team have

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Besian Idrizaj Forever a Jack

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The Countdown begins. on 17:07 - Nov 15 with 468 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 16:45 - Nov 15 by Catullus

The long and the short of it is this, the EU will only offer us a deal that sees them retain control and retain primacy. We cannot be tied into an open ended agreement where we cannot leave without every other members agreement, that is not a brexit of any kind. Because of Labours 6 tests there is no agreement leave will accept that Labour will vote for and any backstop deal seems to mean the DUP will vote against too.
Quite literally it is obvious there is no deal that can or will be offered that will be accepted.

We are left with the binary choice (logically) of having another referendum which asks should we remain or should we leave with no deal.
It's the only thing left that makes sense now, otherwise (if it's possible) there only be even more chaos.
May needs to bite that bullet and put it to the people. Honestly, I think we'd choose remain. Better to be in with the same deal as everyone else than in a bad deal with no say on things. The only other thing May can do then is go to the EU27 (well ignore France and Germany because they have their own agendas) and ask them to support a reorganisation of the EU, change the rules and make the EU more democratic, more accountable and more open.


Do you think if brexit is stopped (which it probably will be) all the chaos will end and we just go back to the day to day nonsense with the tories and labour and everyone will forget about it? Of course not. You’ll have 17 million+ people, most of whom are conservative and labour voters who have been completely disenfranchised despite every single politician of all parties trotting the line “we will carry out the result of this referendum”.

Millions of voters will abandon the traditional parties and we’ll see a surge of support for the likes of Farage etc.

Could even see the Tory party split and form their own party, maybe with the likes of farage which would hoover up the disenchanted voters.

The consequences for our political system and future will be far worse if brexit is overturned than any of the chaos that we are currently enduring.

Buckle up Buckaroo.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:11 - Nov 15 with 461 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

The Countdown begins. on 17:07 - Nov 15 by Highjack

Do you think if brexit is stopped (which it probably will be) all the chaos will end and we just go back to the day to day nonsense with the tories and labour and everyone will forget about it? Of course not. You’ll have 17 million+ people, most of whom are conservative and labour voters who have been completely disenfranchised despite every single politician of all parties trotting the line “we will carry out the result of this referendum”.

Millions of voters will abandon the traditional parties and we’ll see a surge of support for the likes of Farage etc.

Could even see the Tory party split and form their own party, maybe with the likes of farage which would hoover up the disenchanted voters.

The consequences for our political system and future will be far worse if brexit is overturned than any of the chaos that we are currently enduring.

Buckle up Buckaroo.


Events have certainly put politicians to the test, many have failed in their behaviour let alone any capability.

Besian Idrizaj Forever a Jack

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The Countdown begins. on 17:17 - Nov 15 with 448 viewsBatterseajack

Brits will always want out of the EU because they've been regularly spoon fed crap for the last 30 years. Just read these headlines...

Cakes – EU bans eating competition cakes, Aug 2008

Cancer treatment – “EU red tape” is denying cancer patients access to new treatments, Jun 2016

Candles – EU wants to control your candles, Dec 2015

Cannons – 21-gun salutes to be muffled, Mar 2006

Car boot sales – Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales, Oct 2000

Cars, green – Millions wasted on green cars, Jul 2016

Cars, number plates – British car number plates to be axed by EU, April 2014

Cars, vintage – Vintage cars to be forcibly removed from the road, Jun 1999

Cars, washing – EC to demand petrol interceptors in drains or ban car washing, Nov 1993

Casinos, ID requirements – ID required at casinos, Apr 1995

Census – EU asks women about their sex lives, Nov 2007

Chalet girls – Chalet girls to face extinction from foreign employment directive, Nov 1994

Charity shops – Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales, Oct 2000

Charity shops, toys – Charity shops banned from selling second hand toys, Nov 1992

Cheese, British – British cheese face extinction, May 1999

Cheese, Caerphilly – Caerphilly cheese production halted due to EU rules, Apr 1995

Cheese, listeria in – EC rules on levels of listeria threaten British cheeses, Feb 1995

Cheese, mozzarella – EU calling for Italians to produce mozzarella using powdered milk, July 2015

Cheese, serving temperature – EC moves to ban Ploughman’s sandwiches with new cheese temperature regulations, Jun 1993

Cheese, soft cheese – Milk-based product directive to outlaw soft cheeses, Nov 1992

Child labour – EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds, Aug 1998

Chinese toys – Chinese toy imports are to be banned unless humanlike in form, Jul 1994

Chips, prices – Potato prices set to soar due to bad crop and EU rules, Jan 1995

Chocolate – Chocolote or ‘vegelate’, Apr 1998

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/
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The Countdown begins. on 17:17 - Nov 15 with 446 viewsGowerjack


Plastic since 1974
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The Countdown begins. on 17:32 - Nov 15 with 406 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 17:17 - Nov 15 by Batterseajack

Brits will always want out of the EU because they've been regularly spoon fed crap for the last 30 years. Just read these headlines...

Cakes – EU bans eating competition cakes, Aug 2008

Cancer treatment – “EU red tape” is denying cancer patients access to new treatments, Jun 2016

Candles – EU wants to control your candles, Dec 2015

Cannons – 21-gun salutes to be muffled, Mar 2006

Car boot sales – Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales, Oct 2000

Cars, green – Millions wasted on green cars, Jul 2016

Cars, number plates – British car number plates to be axed by EU, April 2014

Cars, vintage – Vintage cars to be forcibly removed from the road, Jun 1999

Cars, washing – EC to demand petrol interceptors in drains or ban car washing, Nov 1993

Casinos, ID requirements – ID required at casinos, Apr 1995

Census – EU asks women about their sex lives, Nov 2007

Chalet girls – Chalet girls to face extinction from foreign employment directive, Nov 1994

Charity shops – Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales, Oct 2000

Charity shops, toys – Charity shops banned from selling second hand toys, Nov 1992

Cheese, British – British cheese face extinction, May 1999

Cheese, Caerphilly – Caerphilly cheese production halted due to EU rules, Apr 1995

Cheese, listeria in – EC rules on levels of listeria threaten British cheeses, Feb 1995

Cheese, mozzarella – EU calling for Italians to produce mozzarella using powdered milk, July 2015

Cheese, serving temperature – EC moves to ban Ploughman’s sandwiches with new cheese temperature regulations, Jun 1993

Cheese, soft cheese – Milk-based product directive to outlaw soft cheeses, Nov 1992

Child labour – EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds, Aug 1998

Chinese toys – Chinese toy imports are to be banned unless humanlike in form, Jul 1994

Chips, prices – Potato prices set to soar due to bad crop and EU rules, Jan 1995

Chocolate – Chocolote or ‘vegelate’, Apr 1998

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/


So you haven’t actually researched any of that, just been ‘spoon fed’ it by an EU website you’ve found online. Brilliant.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:44 - Nov 15 with 366 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 17:32 - Nov 15 by Jango

So you haven’t actually researched any of that, just been ‘spoon fed’ it by an EU website you’ve found online. Brilliant.
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Your point is exactly?

Each headline has a link to an extract from the newspaper article so you can see for yourself the nonsense being written.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:46 - Nov 15 with 361 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 17:32 - Nov 15 by Jango

So you haven’t actually researched any of that, just been ‘spoon fed’ it by an EU website you’ve found online. Brilliant.
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He’s sliced that one into his own net from the edge of the area.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 18:04 - Nov 15 with 344 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 17:07 - Nov 15 by Highjack

Do you think if brexit is stopped (which it probably will be) all the chaos will end and we just go back to the day to day nonsense with the tories and labour and everyone will forget about it? Of course not. You’ll have 17 million+ people, most of whom are conservative and labour voters who have been completely disenfranchised despite every single politician of all parties trotting the line “we will carry out the result of this referendum”.

Millions of voters will abandon the traditional parties and we’ll see a surge of support for the likes of Farage etc.

Could even see the Tory party split and form their own party, maybe with the likes of farage which would hoover up the disenchanted voters.

The consequences for our political system and future will be far worse if brexit is overturned than any of the chaos that we are currently enduring.

Buckle up Buckaroo.


No I don't think the chaos will stop, I think it will get worse. We'll be having minority governments, possibly Tory and Labour civil war where one or both split and a surge in support for more extreme politics, not just here but across Europe as the world watches the damage done to our democracy.
All things are possible now as our hopeless politicians have created a massive mess none of them are caoable of clearing up.
May might be, well she is hopeless but Corbyn is even worse, he's been a complete chancer using the situation to try and get a General election. They may both lose in the fallout from this.

Edit, has Donald Tusk let the cat out of the bag, the EU is "best prepared for brexit to be cancelled" and isn't that a surpisingly quick statement? Makes you wonder if it was the plan all along!!
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Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 18:16 - Nov 15 with 328 viewsDwightYorkeSuperstar

What a terrific statement and strong answers during the proceeding press conference. She has an almost impossible task and I cannot think of another politician who would do a better job at the moment.

We would be comfortably mid table with Joe Allen and Brendan Rodgers
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The Countdown begins. on 18:28 - Nov 15 with 305 viewsGlyn1

The Countdown begins. on 14:14 - Nov 15 by bluey_the_blue

Well, do EU want to run the risk of a war on their border. The answer is simply yes. They'd rather risk that than apply common sense.

It's obvious to anybody with a brain cell that the EU and UK could have agreed that NI is a special circumstance due to the Good Friday agreement. It's not the same as other non-EU countries bordering EU countries. Given the history and relative peace going on,nobody with any brain cells would have reacted an exclusion from the norm. EU instead want to be inflexible, using it as a bargaining chip.

No deal, go WTO rules.


The whole point is that the Ulster Unionists will not accept that NI should be treated in any way differently from the rest of the UK.

It wasn't the EU being inflexible in this case.

The European Union is our largest trading partner - it's easily bigger than our trade with the USA or China or India, and it's probably bigger than trading with all of them combined. It's one reason why the biggest companies are scared stiff of a no-deal exit.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:29 - Nov 15 with 304 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

The Countdown begins. on 18:16 - Nov 15 by DwightYorkeSuperstar

What a terrific statement and strong answers during the proceeding press conference. She has an almost impossible task and I cannot think of another politician who would do a better job at the moment.


Tough job, lots of people criticising nobody with alternative solutions.

Besian Idrizaj Forever a Jack

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The Countdown begins. on 18:30 - Nov 15 with 300 viewsGlyn1

The Countdown begins. on 18:16 - Nov 15 by DwightYorkeSuperstar

What a terrific statement and strong answers during the proceeding press conference. She has an almost impossible task and I cannot think of another politician who would do a better job at the moment.


That's exactly the problem, so thanks for putting it so succinctly.

She was dealt a bad hand and then played it badly. Other politicians wouldn't have done any better.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:34 - Nov 15 with 295 viewsGowerjack

The Countdown begins. on 09:28 - Nov 15 by Jango

Raab, Davis etc have never really had a look in. They’ve taken a large slice of the criticism when May and her team have been pulling all the strings. Should never have been a remainer in charge for brexit. She’s achieved the worst prime minister in history status which is some feat.


Nonsense.

That honour belongs to the useless cûnt that got us into this mess in the 1st place...

Plastic since 1974
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The Countdown begins. on 18:40 - Nov 15 with 286 viewsGowerjack

The Countdown begins. on 10:22 - Nov 15 by Catullus

On a very basic level, it'd look like a trade deal with no political or legal interference in uk internal arrangements.
You know very well that I could not possibly put everything down here because I do not know everything I need to know (blame politicians for lying, hiding facts and deceiving us) and I don't have the time or expertise.
If politicians can't sort out a deal in 2 years, it's a bit of an ask to expect me to put it on here by myself!!
We could have agreed on a tariff free deal if we also agreed that anything exported to the EU met their minimum standards and vice versa. Again, there's a lot more to it and I don't intend to spend the next month on here 24/7 trying to post about something I don't have all the info or expertise on. That's why we elect politicians!! Maybe in future we'll be more careful about who we vote for.


You misunderstand (again).

This deal is to try and resolve the terms on which we exit the EU.

They haven't even started the trade deal yet.

Plastic since 1974
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The Countdown begins. on 18:45 - Nov 15 with 281 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 18:16 - Nov 15 by DwightYorkeSuperstar

What a terrific statement and strong answers during the proceeding press conference. She has an almost impossible task and I cannot think of another politician who would do a better job at the moment.


Strong statements maybe but she followed the golden PR rule. Just because a journo asks a question you don’t need to answer it.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:50 - Nov 15 with 274 viewsWarwickHunt

Gove resigning tonight. 🤫
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The Countdown begins. on 18:52 - Nov 15 with 265 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

The Countdown begins. on 18:34 - Nov 15 by Gowerjack

Nonsense.

That honour belongs to the useless cûnt that got us into this mess in the 1st place...


She should make the facker Brexit Secretary

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The Countdown begins. on 18:55 - Nov 15 with 261 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 18:28 - Nov 15 by Glyn1

The whole point is that the Ulster Unionists will not accept that NI should be treated in any way differently from the rest of the UK.

It wasn't the EU being inflexible in this case.

The European Union is our largest trading partner - it's easily bigger than our trade with the USA or China or India, and it's probably bigger than trading with all of them combined. It's one reason why the biggest companies are scared stiff of a no-deal exit.


Nor should unionists accept divergence.

EU may be our largest trading partner but levels of trade have been falling year on year - and goods stopping at EU ports en route to non-EU nations are included in those figures. Our non-EU trade can be improved by negotiating our own deals outside EU.

Big companies are scared stiff for one reason; days of importing cheap Eastern European labour are over.
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The Countdown begins. on 18:56 - Nov 15 with 255 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 18:34 - Nov 15 by Gowerjack

Nonsense.

That honour belongs to the useless cûnt that got us into this mess in the 1st place...


Ted Heath?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 18:56 - Nov 15 with 249 viewsyescomeon

The end of cheap Eastern European labour. But surely nobody thinks that cheap imported labour will end after brexit. It's just going to come from elsewhere, Asia or Africa.

Upthecity!

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The Countdown begins. on 18:57 - Nov 15 with 249 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

The Countdown begins. on 18:52 - Nov 15 by oh_tommy_tommy

She should make the facker Brexit Secretary


He was obviously scared of the Brexiteers who have proved themselves a right bunch of conspiring bar stewards.

Besian Idrizaj Forever a Jack

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The Countdown begins. on 19:01 - Nov 15 with 240 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 18:45 - Nov 15 by longlostjack

Strong statements maybe but she followed the golden PR rule. Just because a journo asks a question you don’t need to answer it.


May strikes me as a political survivor, hangs in there and is a lot tougher than people give her credit for. She's certainly no Thatcher who would have eaten Juncker et al for breakfast.

This deal though, nobody regardless of political persuasion, Remain/Leave likes or wants it.

The backstop is a joke, a trap set by EU through Varadkar. Surprise, surprise nothing would end up resolved so backstop ends up applied; EU funnily enough then never allowing the customs plan to be quit...
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