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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 835961 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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The Countdown begins on 12:40 - Mar 22 with 463 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins on 12:26 - Mar 22 by bluey_the_blue

The border issue wasn't an issue until Varadkar came into power.

Maybe he feels his stance brings him good credit with rest of EU. Won't save EU taking action over Ireland's tax situation though.


Just because brexit supports in their ignorance, overlooked Ireland, doesn't mean the border issue was never there all along.

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The Countdown begins on 12:44 - Mar 22 with 443 viewsAce_Jack

The Countdown begins on 12:26 - Mar 22 by bluey_the_blue

The border issue wasn't an issue until Varadkar came into power.

Maybe he feels his stance brings him good credit with rest of EU. Won't save EU taking action over Ireland's tax situation though.


There's no way you're genuinely this thick?

The Irish border became an issue the second we considered leaving the customs union.
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The Countdown begins on 12:47 - Mar 22 with 437 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins on 12:38 - Mar 22 by londonlisa2001

All the people who know what they’re talking about say that the reason for the 12 April is because the EU know that her deal will fail and they are allowing enough time for that to happen without causing a disaster for everyone.

No one expects us to leave the EU on 12 April.

Edited - sorry, it’s not obvious, but I was agreeing with you!
[Post edited 22 Mar 12:41]


This

The EU are currently being more responsible and have more concern for the UK economy and the welfare of UK citizens than the UK government.

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The Countdown begins on 12:51 - Mar 22 with 429 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins on 12:47 - Mar 22 by sherpajacob

This

The EU are currently being more responsible and have more concern for the UK economy and the welfare of UK citizens than the UK government.


Yup three weeks for Parliament to agree and get through a notion of a deal which may or may not be acceptable to EU.

Leaving on April 12th with no deal cannot be discounted.

I'm sure EU leaders are really noble and considering UK economy...
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The Countdown begins on 12:55 - Mar 22 with 420 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins on 12:39 - Mar 22 by londonlisa2001

Bluey, you’re simply wrong.


When reading Bluey's posts you must always remember that his sole motivation is to make it look like its not the Tories fault.

Understand this and you'll understand why he frequently comes out with such gibberish, interspersed with the sporadic sensible comment.

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The Countdown begins on 12:58 - Mar 22 with 412 viewslonglostjack

I’ve just returned from a German company who have put a large order from a U.K. company on ice due to uncertainties regarding the Brexit outcome. Potential disruption to supply chain etc etc. so they will continue with their current supplier until the outcome is clear.

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The Countdown begins on 12:58 - Mar 22 with 407 viewscostalotta

The Countdown begins on 12:51 - Mar 22 by bluey_the_blue

Yup three weeks for Parliament to agree and get through a notion of a deal which may or may not be acceptable to EU.

Leaving on April 12th with no deal cannot be discounted.

I'm sure EU leaders are really noble and considering UK economy...


This is funny! Your going round in circles and just arrived back to making bitter comments.

Bluey, its 2019 not 1919, or 1819...
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The Countdown begins on 12:59 - Mar 22 with 402 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins on 12:51 - Mar 22 by bluey_the_blue

Yup three weeks for Parliament to agree and get through a notion of a deal which may or may not be acceptable to EU.

Leaving on April 12th with no deal cannot be discounted.

I'm sure EU leaders are really noble and considering UK economy...


Sorry Bluey, but they aren’t expecting parliament to agree a deal in 3 weeks.

They are expecting (a) her deal to finally fail next week, (b) possibly a change of leader (interim of David Lidington been mooted), (c) indicative voting type stuff to start to show what will work - if (c) is successful in finding solution quite quickly they’ll extend out to 22 May or however long needed to work on it (possibly without needing us to take part in EU elections) if (c) is unsuccessful we will definitely take part in EU elections are extend until at least end of year to consider all options, possibly with a General Election.

That may not happen, but that’s what the expectation is.
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The Countdown begins on 13:00 - Mar 22 with 396 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins on 12:55 - Mar 22 by sherpajacob

When reading Bluey's posts you must always remember that his sole motivation is to make it look like its not the Tories fault.

Understand this and you'll understand why he frequently comes out with such gibberish, interspersed with the sporadic sensible comment.


Law of averages.
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The Countdown begins on 13:01 - Mar 22 with 397 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins on 12:51 - Mar 22 by bluey_the_blue

Yup three weeks for Parliament to agree and get through a notion of a deal which may or may not be acceptable to EU.

Leaving on April 12th with no deal cannot be discounted.

I'm sure EU leaders are really noble and considering UK economy...


Not 3 weeks to get through an alternative deal.

3 Weeks for a complete change of direction, whether it be a new PM, new government, Cross party parliament take over of negotiations, GE or referendum to be announced.

Any of the above and the EU will gladly agree a (much) longer extension.

You're right no deal on 12th April cannot be discounted, it only occurs if May is still PM, and I fear is still a real danger.


If the original 2016 referendum had been remain or leave without a deal on WTO terms, remain would have won comfortably.

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The Countdown begins on 13:02 - Mar 22 with 393 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins on 12:55 - Mar 22 by sherpajacob

When reading Bluey's posts you must always remember that his sole motivation is to make it look like its not the Tories fault.

Understand this and you'll understand why he frequently comes out with such gibberish, interspersed with the sporadic sensible comment.


Really? So that's why I've regularly criticised May and the sh1t deal she's trying to push through then.

I find your claim astonishing in it's double standards. Clearly EU cannot possibly be blameless for absolutely anything, nor can political machinations within Westminster outside Tory control.

Blame to greater and lesser degrees can be thrown at all parties.
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The Countdown begins on 13:02 - Mar 22 with 391 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins on 12:51 - Mar 22 by bluey_the_blue

Yup three weeks for Parliament to agree and get through a notion of a deal which may or may not be acceptable to EU.

Leaving on April 12th with no deal cannot be discounted.

I'm sure EU leaders are really noble and considering UK economy...


It has nothing to do with nobility, whether we leave or not our economy is inextricably linked with theirs - of course they care about it ffs.

If we have a crash leading to banking instability etc, that massively harms the Euro and their economies.
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The Countdown begins on 13:04 - Mar 22 with 377 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins on 13:01 - Mar 22 by sherpajacob

Not 3 weeks to get through an alternative deal.

3 Weeks for a complete change of direction, whether it be a new PM, new government, Cross party parliament take over of negotiations, GE or referendum to be announced.

Any of the above and the EU will gladly agree a (much) longer extension.

You're right no deal on 12th April cannot be discounted, it only occurs if May is still PM, and I fear is still a real danger.


If the original 2016 referendum had been remain or leave without a deal on WTO terms, remain would have won comfortably.


I think they’ll vote to bring her down if necessary.

The interesting thing about the new system, is that the opposition (with the pro remain Tories) can effectively change and decide the Tory leader.
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The Countdown begins on 13:05 - Mar 22 with 375 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins on 13:01 - Mar 22 by sherpajacob

Not 3 weeks to get through an alternative deal.

3 Weeks for a complete change of direction, whether it be a new PM, new government, Cross party parliament take over of negotiations, GE or referendum to be announced.

Any of the above and the EU will gladly agree a (much) longer extension.

You're right no deal on 12th April cannot be discounted, it only occurs if May is still PM, and I fear is still a real danger.


If the original 2016 referendum had been remain or leave without a deal on WTO terms, remain would have won comfortably.


An alternate deal needs to have a semblance of consensus. EU don't want to kick the can months down the line having had MEP elections in the mean time.

A new PM will not come up with a softer deal than May's - thankfully. There would be no new government as that would indicate Corbyn winning a GE. Cross party parliament, eh, I suspect the political fallout of that would scare too many MPs from supporting it once they realise the implications.

May is on borrowed time, imo should've gone after that GE disaster.

You've evidence remain would have won comfortably? That's a stretch. Choice was Remain or Leave. Leave being an absolute term, irrespective of deal or no deal.
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The Countdown begins on 13:09 - Mar 22 with 368 viewsPegojack

The Countdown begins on 12:58 - Mar 22 by longlostjack

I’ve just returned from a German company who have put a large order from a U.K. company on ice due to uncertainties regarding the Brexit outcome. Potential disruption to supply chain etc etc. so they will continue with their current supplier until the outcome is clear.


Don't worry Longlost, Liam Fox has probably negotiated a new trade deal with the Faroe Islands or Outer Mongolia to make up for exiting the EU.

Watch the orders flooding in from those beacons of free trade. We'll show those pesky Germans....
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The Countdown begins on 13:13 - Mar 22 with 359 viewsAce_Jack

The Countdown begins on 13:05 - Mar 22 by bluey_the_blue

An alternate deal needs to have a semblance of consensus. EU don't want to kick the can months down the line having had MEP elections in the mean time.

A new PM will not come up with a softer deal than May's - thankfully. There would be no new government as that would indicate Corbyn winning a GE. Cross party parliament, eh, I suspect the political fallout of that would scare too many MPs from supporting it once they realise the implications.

May is on borrowed time, imo should've gone after that GE disaster.

You've evidence remain would have won comfortably? That's a stretch. Choice was Remain or Leave. Leave being an absolute term, irrespective of deal or no deal.


If you think that the 2016 result was an infinite, unquestionable, blank cheque for any Brexit at any cost, you can absolutely get in the sea.
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The Countdown begins on 13:15 - Mar 22 with 348 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins on 13:13 - Mar 22 by Ace_Jack

If you think that the 2016 result was an infinite, unquestionable, blank cheque for any Brexit at any cost, you can absolutely get in the sea.


It was a binary choice. Remain or Leave.

Start caveating Leave in terms of leaving under different deals, you fragment the leave vote and end up with Remain by default.
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The Countdown begins on 13:23 - Mar 22 with 333 viewsAce_Jack

The Countdown begins on 13:15 - Mar 22 by bluey_the_blue

It was a binary choice. Remain or Leave.

Start caveating Leave in terms of leaving under different deals, you fragment the leave vote and end up with Remain by default.


So you think the mandate for leave is not open for renegotiation but remains an indefinite blank cheque? Jesus wept, I used to think you were reasonably intelligent.

How about putting it back to the people so we can find out what we really want? Wouldn't that be more democratic than forcing Mays deal on remainers and no deal brexiteers, or No deal on Norway + leavers and remainers?

Or are you going to pretend that every leave voter voted for the same thing which wasn't actually promised in 2016 and expressly ruled was out in Labour, Plaid, SNP, Green, & Lib Dem manifestos in 2017? And are we to believe that every conservative leave voter was waiting for this shambles and for the government deal to fail with a no deal brexit coming as a result of the clock running down?

You're getting full marks for mental gymnastics fair play.
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The Countdown begins on 13:29 - Mar 22 with 318 viewsJango

The know it all brigade in full swing again. The news channels should just come on here to ask what’s going to happen, you’ve got it all worked out.
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The Countdown begins on 13:30 - Mar 22 with 314 viewsFlashberryjack

The Countdown begins on 13:23 - Mar 22 by Ace_Jack

So you think the mandate for leave is not open for renegotiation but remains an indefinite blank cheque? Jesus wept, I used to think you were reasonably intelligent.

How about putting it back to the people so we can find out what we really want? Wouldn't that be more democratic than forcing Mays deal on remainers and no deal brexiteers, or No deal on Norway + leavers and remainers?

Or are you going to pretend that every leave voter voted for the same thing which wasn't actually promised in 2016 and expressly ruled was out in Labour, Plaid, SNP, Green, & Lib Dem manifestos in 2017? And are we to believe that every conservative leave voter was waiting for this shambles and for the government deal to fail with a no deal brexit coming as a result of the clock running down?

You're getting full marks for mental gymnastics fair play.


If there is another vote and it is in favour of brexit, would you except the result ?
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The Countdown begins on 13:32 - Mar 22 with 309 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins on 13:23 - Mar 22 by Ace_Jack

So you think the mandate for leave is not open for renegotiation but remains an indefinite blank cheque? Jesus wept, I used to think you were reasonably intelligent.

How about putting it back to the people so we can find out what we really want? Wouldn't that be more democratic than forcing Mays deal on remainers and no deal brexiteers, or No deal on Norway + leavers and remainers?

Or are you going to pretend that every leave voter voted for the same thing which wasn't actually promised in 2016 and expressly ruled was out in Labour, Plaid, SNP, Green, & Lib Dem manifestos in 2017? And are we to believe that every conservative leave voter was waiting for this shambles and for the government deal to fail with a no deal brexit coming as a result of the clock running down?

You're getting full marks for mental gymnastics fair play.


People voted to Leave, like it or not. That should be reflected.

"Are you sure?" referenda ad nauseum leads to a scenario where those voting leave end up disenfranchised.

People voted to leave the EU. That was the result of the referendum. The mental gymnastics are being performed by those patronising those who voted Leave. You have MPs in the HoC who voted FOR invoking Article 50, knowing the leave date, knowing the default position of no deal. Those who have gone against that aren't noble wonderful people but those who have wanted to obfuscate and prevent leaving.

Calls for going back to the people are nothing more than an attempt to get a Remain vote. After all, those who voted leave are only racist thickos after all, eh so why bother to get their views...
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The Countdown begins on 13:32 - Mar 22 with 308 viewsAce_Jack

The Countdown begins on 13:29 - Mar 22 by Jango

The know it all brigade in full swing again. The news channels should just come on here to ask what’s going to happen, you’ve got it all worked out.


The literally nothing to say about how we fix this mess brigade are in full swing again. They've had nearly 3 years but all they seem to do is shout "You lost get over it" then run away.

Why don't you sign into another username and agree with yourself? That tactic seems to be working a treat.
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The Countdown begins on 13:33 - Mar 22 with 306 viewsJoe_bradshaw

My wife had lunch yesterday with a frantic friend. She’s frantic because her husband has prostate cancer and is undergoing chemotherapy.

His medication is coming from Norway and has a very short shelf life. It has to be used within 72 hours of leaving the plant. Norway has a deal with the EU so that it is delivered in time to be administered without any red tape hold ups. The hospital has informed them that when Brexit happens there is nothing in place to replace the current system and there is no other option in terms of supply. They simply cannot guarantee that the course of treatment will continue after Brexit especially if it is a no deal Brexit.

Whilst we debate the political minutiae of Brexit there are people out there whose lives are being torn apart. The pressure of the situation is contributing to this family’s utter despair and destroying them.

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The Countdown begins on 13:34 - Mar 22 with 299 viewsAce_Jack

The Countdown begins on 13:30 - Mar 22 by Flashberryjack

If there is another vote and it is in favour of brexit, would you except the result ?


Yes if we knew what the outcome was going to be.

If we were voting on a tangible outcome I would 100% accept the result.
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The Countdown begins on 13:37 - Mar 22 with 291 viewsAce_Jack

The Countdown begins on 13:32 - Mar 22 by bluey_the_blue

People voted to Leave, like it or not. That should be reflected.

"Are you sure?" referenda ad nauseum leads to a scenario where those voting leave end up disenfranchised.

People voted to leave the EU. That was the result of the referendum. The mental gymnastics are being performed by those patronising those who voted Leave. You have MPs in the HoC who voted FOR invoking Article 50, knowing the leave date, knowing the default position of no deal. Those who have gone against that aren't noble wonderful people but those who have wanted to obfuscate and prevent leaving.

Calls for going back to the people are nothing more than an attempt to get a Remain vote. After all, those who voted leave are only racist thickos after all, eh so why bother to get their views...


You also have MPs elected who didn't vote to trigger article 50 and MPs who were elected after article 50 was triggered. Why are you pretending that the 2017 election didn't happen?
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