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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 1246694 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 00:55 - Oct 27 with 1026 viewschad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:16 - Oct 26 by longlostjack

There can never be a better deal than the one we’ve already got. Simples.


When you say we, are you talking as a German citizen, living in Germany?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 01:03 - Oct 27 with 1012 viewschad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:49 - Oct 26 by majorraglan

Sure? You won’t have to tell them, just read Lisa’s post. If workers rights are completely eroded, it will be a case of do what you are told or lose your job end of sports. Given the choice of work or starve, fall in to arrears with your mortgage etc what do you think people will do?
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Before we re imagine Dickens perhaps we should try not to be so easily led.

This is not a Bond movie although I have no idea if Boris has a cat.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 01:07 - Oct 27 with 1010 viewschad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:34 - Oct 26 by londonlisa2001

The EU sets minimum standards, which any country is welcome to exceed.

By definition, divergence from the EU means lower than the minimums set. Anything higher is not divergence, but is meeting the EU standards.

The level playing field clauses are designed to ensure the UK cannot have both a lower standard, unregulated economy, and yet compete on equal terms with the EU via a free trade agreement.

Ignore the fact it’s the UK for the moment and consider the market in steel. China produces steel which is of a lower standard than that produced in the UK. Working conditions are worse. This allows them to put steel on the market at a lower price. It has, as many on here know only too well, resulted in a very difficult trading market for British steel manufacturers. The cry of those working within the British steel industry is for tariffs to be imposed which compensate for the lower quality, and thus, lower price steel from China, as there is not a ‘level playing field’. The UK, as it happens, voted against this at the EU.

Now roll forward a few years and the same market disruption to the EU comes from the UK if we have lower standards, both workers and regulation. We would have an unfair competitive advantage over the rest of the EU (at the expense of our working population). The EU would not allow that, as it would not be a ‘level playing field’.

The views of pro remain MPs are not what is being leaked, it is internal government documents showing that a lower regulation, lower tax, lower working conditions environment is what they are seeking. Anyone that thinks the politicians on the right of the political spectrum (I don’t mean Tories, I mean the right of the Tory party) are on the side of the workers are deluded beyond belief.


You forgot to tell us ‘it really is that simple’, which is a shame because that often is a precursor to what I like to call ‘Lisa Law’, perhaps you will understand it better as shit you make up. Like your deeply logically flawed ‘simple’ cognitive developmental theories that you preach to us.

Once again you are dammed by your own words.

You state ‘The EU sets minimum standards’. QED their standards are the minimum. We operate above their standards so we diverge from them (in a positive way which exceeds EU standards).

So actually the level paying field is nonsense as we operate higher standards of our own making, meaning any EU countries that only operate to the EU standards have an operating advantage over us.

We meet the EU standards and diverge from them by exceeding them.

The idea that we are suddenly going to drop below EU standards also makes no sense when we have not taken the opportunity to lower ourselves to the EU standard whilst a member.

Perhaps the EU is waiting for us to take our higher standards so they can lower theirs even further. We know laws can change like the circular argument against EU laws having primacy. Yet that is the current situation and that is effectively the situation forced upon us whilst we are members of the EU (and beyond it seems, given some will do anything to give our power to the EU).
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 01:17 - Oct 27 with 1002 viewschad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:15 - Oct 26 by waynekerr55

Well they do hold all the aces, being our biggest trading partner, Spratts.


The aces they hold are those given to them by those who removed all our bargaining power.

No deal without EU Agreement, no leaving without a deal our politicians have rendered us impotent

Why do you think they want us to stay in and do you think in any way shape or form they want us to leave successfully? Really?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 01:40 - Oct 27 with 983 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 01:17 - Oct 27 by chad

The aces they hold are those given to them by those who removed all our bargaining power.

No deal without EU Agreement, no leaving without a deal our politicians have rendered us impotent

Why do you think they want us to stay in and do you think in any way shape or form they want us to leave successfully? Really?


MP’s will have more work to do when the powers Major, Blair and Brown signed away without permission come back. It’s no wonder the malingering gobshites want to stop it at all costs.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 06:32 - Oct 27 with 934 viewsKerouac

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:01 - Oct 26 by exiledclaseboy

Why do you think he wants an election?


So we'd have to vote for it....and the people having a say clearly terrifies you,
Clearly you'd rather these sorts of decisions were taken away from the electorate and put in the hands of an elite governing class.

This is why Labour is dead.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 06:37 - Oct 27 with 929 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:49 - Oct 26 by majorraglan

Sure? You won’t have to tell them, just read Lisa’s post. If workers rights are completely eroded, it will be a case of do what you are told or lose your job end of sports. Given the choice of work or starve, fall in to arrears with your mortgage etc what do you think people will do?
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No disrespect to Lisa but she doesn’t work in my industry. It won’t happen. It’s impossible.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 07:06 - Oct 27 with 923 viewsUxbridge

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 01:17 - Oct 27 by chad

The aces they hold are those given to them by those who removed all our bargaining power.

No deal without EU Agreement, no leaving without a deal our politicians have rendered us impotent

Why do you think they want us to stay in and do you think in any way shape or form they want us to leave successfully? Really?


Why are the EU not similarly impotent when they've demonstrated several times they won't NoDeal either?

The argument is bobbins. Johnson failed because he capitulated and took the easy path that suited his ends. Just look at him now, selling this turd of a deal when anyone with half a brain can see it's far inferior even to May's effort,which he roundly castigated because it suited him.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 08:08 - Oct 27 with 903 viewsGowerjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 01:03 - Oct 27 by chad

Before we re imagine Dickens perhaps we should try not to be so easily led.

This is not a Bond movie although I have no idea if Boris has a cat.


Consider why the ERG are now so strongly in favour of a deal that replicates 96% of Mays deal.


Take as long as you need..

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 08:54 - Oct 27 with 871 viewswaynekerr55

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 01:40 - Oct 27 by Highjack

MP’s will have more work to do when the powers Major, Blair and Brown signed away without permission come back. It’s no wonder the malingering gobshites want to stop it at all costs.


They could do that by repealing legislation now. They don't need to leave the EU as parliament us sovereign

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:28 - Oct 27 with 821 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 08:54 - Oct 27 by waynekerr55

They could do that by repealing legislation now. They don't need to leave the EU as parliament us sovereign


Which is what many Brexiteers wanted in the first place.
Article 50 is designed to make leaving as difficult and as long as possible.
The Remainer MPs, especially Cameron & May elongated the process even more by building in delays even before envoking Article 50.
They handed even more power to the EU by recourse to courts and dodgy Speaker of the house led shenanigans, which you bunch of remainers thought were great.
Well you reap what you sow and the next 5 years are going to be far worse than a clean hard Brexit would ever have been.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:47 - Oct 27 with 821 viewswaynekerr55

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:28 - Oct 27 by A_Fans_Dad

Which is what many Brexiteers wanted in the first place.
Article 50 is designed to make leaving as difficult and as long as possible.
The Remainer MPs, especially Cameron & May elongated the process even more by building in delays even before envoking Article 50.
They handed even more power to the EU by recourse to courts and dodgy Speaker of the house led shenanigans, which you bunch of remainers thought were great.
Well you reap what you sow and the next 5 years are going to be far worse than a clean hard Brexit would ever have been.


Total crap. If they were remainers, they would have revoked. Simple.

Lay off the ERG coolade

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:36 - Oct 27 with 809 viewsJackSomething

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:47 - Oct 27 by waynekerr55

Total crap. If they were remainers, they would have revoked. Simple.

Lay off the ERG coolade


This was always the way it was going to go. When Brexit turns out to be a fiasco, it was all the Remainers fault.
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You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:19 - Oct 27 with 731 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:36 - Oct 27 by JackSomething

This was always the way it was going to go. When Brexit turns out to be a fiasco, it was all the Remainers fault.
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Yes of course it is.
I am glad that you realise it now.
Because the Referendum result was to leave, not remain, ergo it must be the remainers fault.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:22 - Oct 27 with 729 viewslonglostjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 00:55 - Oct 27 by chad

When you say we, are you talking as a German citizen, living in Germany?


Nein.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:33 - Oct 27 with 711 viewsPegojack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:22 - Oct 27 by longlostjack

Nein.


Careful, Longlost, you'll be turning into Kerouac next with your fancy German speaking.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:47 - Oct 27 with 660 viewslonglostjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:33 - Oct 27 by Pegojack

Careful, Longlost, you'll be turning into Kerouac next with your fancy German speaking.



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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:53 - Oct 27 with 654 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 01:07 - Oct 27 by chad

You forgot to tell us ‘it really is that simple’, which is a shame because that often is a precursor to what I like to call ‘Lisa Law’, perhaps you will understand it better as shit you make up. Like your deeply logically flawed ‘simple’ cognitive developmental theories that you preach to us.

Once again you are dammed by your own words.

You state ‘The EU sets minimum standards’. QED their standards are the minimum. We operate above their standards so we diverge from them (in a positive way which exceeds EU standards).

So actually the level paying field is nonsense as we operate higher standards of our own making, meaning any EU countries that only operate to the EU standards have an operating advantage over us.

We meet the EU standards and diverge from them by exceeding them.

The idea that we are suddenly going to drop below EU standards also makes no sense when we have not taken the opportunity to lower ourselves to the EU standard whilst a member.

Perhaps the EU is waiting for us to take our higher standards so they can lower theirs even further. We know laws can change like the circular argument against EU laws having primacy. Yet that is the current situation and that is effectively the situation forced upon us whilst we are members of the EU (and beyond it seems, given some will do anything to give our power to the EU).


Lol. You really are pathetically obsessed chad.

Divergence means something quite specific when it comes to brexit. Look it up.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:55 - Oct 27 with 651 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:51 - Oct 26 by Jango

I’m just telling you that in my industry it can’t happen and It won’t happen. You can’t just tell a workforce who have had certain standards drilled into them that they now have to drop those standards and risk their own safety.


Jango, in an unregulated market, if you won’t do it, someone else will and will get the work as their prices will be lower.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:51 - Oct 27 with 615 viewsPegojack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:47 - Oct 27 by longlostjack

Si amigo ! Castellonense Hoy?
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Si. Lamentablemente perdimos 2-0.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:28 - Oct 27 with 575 viewslonglostjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:51 - Oct 27 by Pegojack

Si. Lamentablemente perdimos 2-0.


Qué pena.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:37 - Oct 27 with 564 viewsFlashberryjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:28 - Oct 27 by longlostjack

Qué pena.


Greasyarse senor
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:06 - Oct 27 with 496 viewsJackSomething

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:19 - Oct 27 by A_Fans_Dad

Yes of course it is.
I am glad that you realise it now.
Because the Referendum result was to leave, not remain, ergo it must be the remainers fault.


You're not really that stupid, are you?

You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:49 - Oct 27 with 485 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:06 - Oct 27 by JackSomething

You're not really that stupid, are you?


Rhetorical question.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 06:24 - Oct 28 with 446 viewswaynekerr55

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:55 - Oct 27 by londonlisa2001

Jango, in an unregulated market, if you won’t do it, someone else will and will get the work as their prices will be lower.


And probably migrants from outside the EU too.

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