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A 2nd Referendum 12:36 - Dec 1 with 7872 viewsScottishEddie

Why are leavers so oposed to this? Niw that they now all the facts and how great Brexit is going to be surely they are more confident?

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A 2nd Referendum on 09:22 - Dec 2 with 426 viewsAndy1300


Number 1 team in Wales

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A 2nd Referendum on 09:29 - Dec 2 with 419 viewsLeonWasGod

A 2nd Referendum on 09:18 - Dec 2 by exiledclaseboy

If we voted to remain, our terms of membership are already set and existing. Nothing will change. We can’t be “punished” in the way you’re suggesting.


But Leavers haven't been conned, honest

It's so depressing how people just regurgitate false tabloid headlines for reasons we should leave. It's 'thinking' by jingoistic soundbites.
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A 2nd Referendum on 09:29 - Dec 2 with 418 viewsexiledclaseboy

Oh great. Someone posted a tweet from a spoof account. Debate over.

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A 2nd Referendum on 09:30 - Dec 2 with 413 viewsAndy1300


Number 1 team in Wales

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A 2nd Referendum on 09:33 - Dec 2 with 406 viewsexiledclaseboy

A 2nd Referendum on 09:30 - Dec 2 by Andy1300



That’s what May has been saying as well.

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A 2nd Referendum on 09:34 - Dec 2 with 406 viewsWarwickHunt

A 2nd Referendum on 09:18 - Dec 2 by exiledclaseboy

If we voted to remain, our terms of membership are already set and existing. Nothing will change. We can’t be “punished” in the way you’re suggesting.


The level of stupidity on this thread is breathtaking.
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A 2nd Referendum on 09:40 - Dec 2 with 398 viewssg1912

A 2nd Referendum on 08:35 - Dec 2 by WarwickHunt

Which part of “it was only a fûcking soundbite” are you struggling with?


Well the entire push for the second vote is based on nothing but soundbites and hearsay..

Petulance is not a good look for a grown up
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A 2nd Referendum on 10:13 - Dec 2 with 378 viewsGowerjack

A 2nd Referendum on 19:53 - Dec 1 by pencoedjack

Spot on fella


Is that what's meant by a Brexit bonus?

Plastic since 1974
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A 2nd Referendum on 10:18 - Dec 2 with 372 viewsjack_lord

A 2nd Referendum on 19:54 - Dec 1 by bluey_the_blue

Every year there are more youngsters "eligible to vote".

Let's have general elections every year then...

"Future being flushed down the toilet". More hypothetical nonsense, can't tell until / if it happens - let's not forget Remainers claimed an immediate recession on a leave vote, there would be an emergency budget etc.

Ah, "racists". Yup, all leave voters clearly racist scum. If only remainers like you were the only people alive, things would be so wonderful with unicorns for all, free or otherwise.


Without me having to write a lengthy essay on international trade and how complex it is (and that also applies to the UK and its ability to negotiate deals with other nations) I think we are starting to actually see the first ripplings of the effect on the economy as people realise it is actually happening. That is what is putting a lot of people into panic mode.

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A 2nd Referendum on 10:20 - Dec 2 with 368 viewsbluey_the_blue

A 2nd Referendum on 09:18 - Dec 2 by exiledclaseboy

If we voted to remain, our terms of membership are already set and existing. Nothing will change. We can’t be “punished” in the way you’re suggesting.


That depends upon being able to unilaterally "withdraw" Article 50.

I doubt very much that would happen / be allowable - wouldn't surprise me that having initially defied EU we have to re-apply for membership.
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A 2nd Referendum on 10:20 - Dec 2 with 370 viewsGowerjack

A 2nd Referendum on 09:11 - Dec 2 by exiledclaseboy

I don’t understand how having a second referendum is anti democratic. We voted two and a half years ago. Leave won very narrowly. Now we know what the terms of leaving will be. No one knew this at the time of the first vote, whether they voted to leave or remain. That’s a simple fact. So what’s wrong with asking “right, you wanted to leave, this is what leaving looks like. Do you still want to leave”?
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Agreed however the phrasing of any potential question becomes vitally important.

Unlike the binary nonsense we were presented with last time out.

Plastic since 1974
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A 2nd Referendum on 10:24 - Dec 2 with 367 viewsexiledclaseboy

A 2nd Referendum on 10:20 - Dec 2 by bluey_the_blue

That depends upon being able to unilaterally "withdraw" Article 50.

I doubt very much that would happen / be allowable - wouldn't surprise me that having initially defied EU we have to re-apply for membership.


The EU has already said that revoking A50 won’t be an issue.

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A 2nd Referendum on 10:26 - Dec 2 with 367 viewsCatullus

A 2nd Referendum on 09:18 - Dec 2 by exiledclaseboy

If we voted to remain, our terms of membership are already set and existing. Nothing will change. We can’t be “punished” in the way you’re suggesting.


We already know our terms and conditions will change though. The rebates are being taken away for a start, it's not just us, this is happening to every member state. The EU wants more money and more control. Will I have to keep referencing Verhofstadt's rant about taking more power, more sovereignty? Or are you going to dismiss his ramblings as not representative of the EU agenda?
We were told there were no plans for an EU army, that it wouldn't happen and yet,

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-army-angela-merkel-macron-ger

Where it also says JC Juncker first talked about this 4 years ago in 2014. That was a remain lie then.
This isn't just about the future outside the EU. This is also about what it would look like if we remained and things are happening that remain said definitely would not happen.
There will be people here who will delight in the thought of being in an EU superstate, will be happy for our young people to serve in an EU army, forgive me for not being one of them.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
Blog: In, Out, in, out........

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A 2nd Referendum on 10:27 - Dec 2 with 363 viewsbluey_the_blue

A 2nd Referendum on 10:24 - Dec 2 by exiledclaseboy

The EU has already said that revoking A50 won’t be an issue.


Have they put that in writing?
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A 2nd Referendum on 10:27 - Dec 2 with 363 viewsexiledclaseboy

A 2nd Referendum on 10:20 - Dec 2 by Gowerjack

Agreed however the phrasing of any potential question becomes vitally important.

Unlike the binary nonsense we were presented with last time out.


I’m struggling to see how a referendum question with more than two options works. That’s part of the reason why referendums are so inherently undemocratic. It’s unlikely that any of the three options would attract more than 50%. And leavers would (with some justification) argue that the leave vote would be split between leaving with this deal or no deal, as daft as leaving with no deal would be. Unless you rule out the option that attracts the fewest votes and do some kind of second preference thing

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A 2nd Referendum on 10:31 - Dec 2 with 360 viewsexiledclaseboy

A 2nd Referendum on 10:27 - Dec 2 by bluey_the_blue

Have they put that in writing?


F*cking hell

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A 2nd Referendum on 10:45 - Dec 2 with 351 viewsWarwickHunt

A 2nd Referendum on 09:40 - Dec 2 by sg1912

Well the entire push for the second vote is based on nothing but soundbites and hearsay..

Petulance is not a good look for a grown up


How the fûck would you know?
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A 2nd Referendum on 10:46 - Dec 2 with 350 viewsWarwickHunt

A 2nd Referendum on 10:27 - Dec 2 by bluey_the_blue

Have they put that in writing?


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A 2nd Referendum on 10:53 - Dec 2 with 343 viewsbluey_the_blue

A 2nd Referendum on 10:31 - Dec 2 by exiledclaseboy

F*cking hell


"Ah, we did say things wouldn't be changed, but having further looked into the details, clause 1.5.2.4.4.2.1.3.5.5.2.1.4.4.1.4.4 states you sadly do need to re-negotiate..."
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A 2nd Referendum on 10:59 - Dec 2 with 342 viewssg1912

A 2nd Referendum on 10:45 - Dec 2 by WarwickHunt

How the fûck would you know?


Does a bear shit in the woods?
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A 2nd Referendum on 11:34 - Dec 2 with 324 viewsexiledclaseboy

A 2nd Referendum on 10:53 - Dec 2 by bluey_the_blue

"Ah, we did say things wouldn't be changed, but having further looked into the details, clause 1.5.2.4.4.2.1.3.5.5.2.1.4.4.1.4.4 states you sadly do need to re-negotiate..."


We’re still members, Bluey.

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A 2nd Referendum on 12:07 - Dec 2 with 306 viewsbluey_the_blue

A 2nd Referendum on 11:34 - Dec 2 by exiledclaseboy

We’re still members, Bluey.


"Hi boss, yeah you know I resigned the other day and you were pretty livid about me going and we negotiated a withdrawal process for me to go? Well I kinda changed my mind so I want to recant my resignation, so I'll be in Monday and everything will be the same, right?

What do you mean 'f*ck off'?"
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A 2nd Referendum on 12:41 - Dec 2 with 291 viewsWarwickHunt

A 2nd Referendum on 12:07 - Dec 2 by bluey_the_blue

"Hi boss, yeah you know I resigned the other day and you were pretty livid about me going and we negotiated a withdrawal process for me to go? Well I kinda changed my mind so I want to recant my resignation, so I'll be in Monday and everything will be the same, right?

What do you mean 'f*ck off'?"


Merkel & Co. would throw a party, you daft twàt.
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A 2nd Referendum on 12:46 - Dec 2 with 285 viewsjack_lord

A 2nd Referendum on 12:07 - Dec 2 by bluey_the_blue

"Hi boss, yeah you know I resigned the other day and you were pretty livid about me going and we negotiated a withdrawal process for me to go? Well I kinda changed my mind so I want to recant my resignation, so I'll be in Monday and everything will be the same, right?

What do you mean 'f*ck off'?"


So no worker has ever withdrawn their resignation?
Obviously that is not the case.

If there was a scenario where the EU was in the position to refuse Britain's withdrawal of article then who could blame them.

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A 2nd Referendum on 12:53 - Dec 2 with 275 viewsexiledclaseboy

A 2nd Referendum on 12:07 - Dec 2 by bluey_the_blue

"Hi boss, yeah you know I resigned the other day and you were pretty livid about me going and we negotiated a withdrawal process for me to go? Well I kinda changed my mind so I want to recant my resignation, so I'll be in Monday and everything will be the same, right?

What do you mean 'f*ck off'?"


Aye that’s how it’ll work. The EU hates us so much. Obviously. Dear god. And leavers wonder why they get painted as intellectually challenged xenophobes.

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