| Advocates of Welsh independence on 20:29 - Oct 14 with 1343 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 20:17 - Oct 14 by Neath_Jack |
Those indy Welsh football fans need to get the f*ck, in my opinion.
I'd like to see us independent one day, would i vote for it now, not so sure.
But those lot should keep it out of the stadiums.
They're even bigger whoppers on twitter than the new breed of Swans fans on there. |
Its not going away.
The young people are all over it. |  |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 21:03 - Oct 14 with 1306 views | sherpajacob |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 17:41 - Oct 14 by ItchySphincter |
Huh? They can't take the f*cking pound with them. |
Yes they f*cking can. |  |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 21:39 - Oct 14 with 1285 views | Uxbridge |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 16:03 - Oct 14 by Lohengrin |
I was listening to a Podcast recently about Orwell’s legacy and a point was made, though I can’t for the life of me remember who made it, that folk get easily inured to prolonged political clamour and it ceases to make an impact.
Or I’ll put it like this: if ‘crisis’ is a permanent state, there’s no such thing as a crisis and we become like so many proverbial frogs in a slowly simmering pot. |
Indeed. We've also seen how little facts matter, or even telling the truth, and the more lies are told the less important the truth becomes. We were always at war with Eastasia... |  |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 04:12 - Oct 15 with 1221 views | ItchySphincter |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 21:03 - Oct 14 by sherpajacob |
Yes they f*cking can. |
So they won't be independent then. |  |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 06:53 - Oct 15 with 1197 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 04:12 - Oct 15 by ItchySphincter |
So they won't be independent then. |
Yes they would.
They would be choosing this path.
An independent choice.
Later they might choose another path for themselves.
Nations like Wales can’t make such a choice.
‘There are many examples of countries that have successfully used other nations’ currencies without formal agreement. Panama, for instance, has used the US dollar as its currency for well over a century. Closer to home, the Irish Free State used the pound sterling for a few years after independence in 1922, and the new Irish pound introduced in 1928 was pegged 1:1 with sterling for over 50 years.’ | |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 10:27 - Oct 15 with 1143 views | Neath_Jack |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 20:29 - Oct 14 by Kilkennyjack |
Its not going away.
The young people are all over it. |
They need to keep it out of football.
Those silly c*nts are the first to moan when, for instance flags are flown which they don't agree with.
Bunch of Wolfie melts the lot of them. |  |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 12:28 - Oct 15 with 1087 views | Highjack |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 20:29 - Oct 14 by Kilkennyjack |
Its not going away.
The young people are all over it. |
The young people struggle to cope when someone addresses them with the wrong pronoun, or if fortnite gets turned off for a few days. |  |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 12:32 - Oct 15 with 1084 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 20:05 - Oct 14 by Kilkennyjack |
Easy mate. ...
‘...... Salmond is quite right that there is nothing that a London government should or can do to stop an independent Scotland from using the pound sterling as its currency: the Scots do not have to ask permission to use the pound....’
I hope that reassures your concerns...
www.cityam.com/1410805255/scotland-could-keep-pound-cost-its-monetary-independence/amp |
Yes they could, but did you read the article right through?
The UK supports their banks, without that support they will most likely fail.
Doesn't sound like a good future to me. |  | | |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 17:31 - Oct 15 with 1019 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 12:32 - Oct 15 by A_Fans_Dad |
Yes they could, but did you read the article right through?
The UK supports their banks, without that support they will most likely fail.
Doesn't sound like a good future to me. |
So in summary ....the total failure of the uk state in terms of the banking crash is a reason for Scotland not to be free. Makes perfect sense.
Btw - A bank rescue package totalling some £500 billion (approximately $850 billion) was announced by the British government on 8 October 2008, as a response to the ongoing global financial crisis. If Scotland stays as part of the uk state this could happen again. Better off leaving just in case....
See ...you can use stuff ... | |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 10:14 - Oct 16 with 943 views | Kerouac |
EU: not much support for Catalan yearning for independence
By Jan van der Made
Issued on 02-10-2017 Modified 02-10-2017 to 17:42
The European Commission waited until Monday afternoon before coming out with a statement on the Catalan independence referendum. When they did, it was non-committal and received with disappointment in Barcelona. But Brussels may have a lot to lose from a breakaway region, fearing a domino effect that may end in a bureaucratic quagmire... or worse.
Only two top EU politicians spoke out in favour of the referendum: Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel and the Slovenian Speaker of Parliament Milan Brglez. Apart from that, Catalans could count on the support of mostly left-wing parliamentarians.
But Brussels remained non-committal. “Under the Spanish constitution, [the] vote in Catalonia was not legal,” says Margaritis Schinas, the EU Commission’s spokesperson.
"This is an internal matter for Spain that has to be dealt with in line with the constitutional order of Spain.”
He warned that even if the referendum had been "legal", it would have “found itself outside the European Union.”
Hinting at the Guardia Civil’s harsh actions against voters and peaceful protesters, that wounded over 800 people, he expressed hope that “the relevant players [...] move very swiftly from confrontation to dialogue,” adding that “violence can never be an instrument in politics.”
In Barcelona, capital of Catalan independence, activists were shocked. "We expected to be somehow protected by the European Commission,” says Joan Villalonga, a member of the Catalan National Assembly, a grassroots action group that promotes independence.
“We are European citizens. And now we feel abandoned by the EU, because it seems that all the democratic and all the European laws about political violence are being violated, and it seems that the European Commission is not protecting us on that.”
In Slovenia, Speaker of Parliament Milan Brglez, stated that Catalonia has the “right to self-determination.”
“It has to do with our past experiences,” says Simon Delakorda, of the NGO Institute for Electronic Participation in Ljubljana, “when we the states of Yugoslavia started declaring independence” in 1991. This lead to a bloody civil war leaving thousands dead or homeless.
“A referendum should be based on peaceful activities,” he says, echoing Schinas. “Meaning that all parties should avoid violence. This is not the right path. If you look back to what happened in Yugoslavia, and the war, the result of Yugoslav republics declaring independence, and try to find a solution through democratic means.”
And in Belgium, Prime Minister Charles Michel rejected the police violence outright, tweeting that “violence can never be the answer.”
But other European leaders remained silent.
“It’s a major European problem,” says Stefaan Walraven, a political scientist with Antwerp University.
“It is because of the set-up of the European Union, where countries are members. If a region splits off of a country, it places itself outside of the EU, and then it must apply to become a member of the EU.
“Some governments may be willing to accept Catalonia as a member, or Scotland, for that matter, or Flanders.
“But other governments [may] want to follow a very strict policy and say, well no, these split-off regions, they have to apply, and they have to go through negotiations, just like other countries that want to become a member of the EU so it is potentially extremely conflictual.”
The Spanish government is rejecting suggestions for mediation, indicating that Catalonia may first dissolve its parliament and have new elections before talks could even start.
Things may get more complicated if and when Catalonia decides to really declare independence.
This may happen as soon as 48 hours after all the votes are officially counted. |  |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 10:18 - Oct 16 with 940 views | Kerouac |
What a f*cking mess the architects of the European Union project have created.
They have violated the sovereignty of Nation States without any authority from the public, there is no European demos.
They have created anarchy.
This is extremely dangerous and if war breaks out on the European continent as a result of encouragement given to separatist groups by Brussels the people at the top must surely pay. | |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 11:30 - Oct 16 with 912 views | Kerouac |
Where are the supporters of the EU?
What have they got to say about this?
Why is it ok for the EU to tell China to treat Hong Kong one way while turning a blind eye to Spain/ Catalonia? | |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 11:41 - Oct 16 with 901 views | longlostjack |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 11:30 - Oct 16 by Kerouac |
Where are the supporters of the EU?
What have they got to say about this?
Why is it ok for the EU to tell China to treat Hong Kong one way while turning a blind eye to Spain/ Catalonia? |
Or the UK Government. |  |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 12:00 - Oct 16 with 885 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 11:30 - Oct 16 by Kerouac |
Where are the supporters of the EU?
What have they got to say about this?
Why is it ok for the EU to tell China to treat Hong Kong one way while turning a blind eye to Spain/ Catalonia? |
They have not only turned a blind eye but also not reported on the persecution of the French Mouvement des gilets jaunes.
Those protests are still going on every week after a whole year, the last one was yesterday when the firefighters were protesting.
By the end of 2018 the French Police had killed 9 protestors and seriously injured 100s.
Where is the wonderful EU looking out for it's citizens.
Everybody in Europe are quick to condemn China and the Hong Kong authorities but are silent on France.
It is not on BBC television News, but has small articles on their website. | | | |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 13:16 - Oct 16 with 862 views | Kerouac |
Why the Irish Taoiseach has a vested interest in keeping the UK locked into EU economic structures
The Irish Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, has played a strong hand in the Brexit negotiations, bringing in both the Good Friday Agreement and any possible border friction, real or imagined, to try to keep the UK locked into the EU’s economic structure throughout any transition period and then in perpetuity through a future UK/EU Free Trade Agreement.
So far the EU has backed him. The stakes for Ireland and the UK are very high: in a major paper published today by Global Britain and written by Ewen Stewart and myself entitled The Irish economic miracle — fact or fiction?, we show how Ireland benefits from exploiting bona fide arrangements in the international structure for corporate taxation and the freedoms of the EU, and by how much.
The losers are the UK, the other main EU Member States and the USA.
Ireland’s main economic indicators infer a miracle: annual GDP per head at US$78,800, second only to Luxembourg in the EU and some 40% higher than the Eurozone as a whole, and GDP growth of 39% since 2005, double the UK rate and three times the Eurozone average.
Ireland went through a €85bn financial bailout in 2010 but has rebounded dynamically compared to other bailout countries like Greece, Portugal and Cyprus.
Ireland’s economy is a two-speed one, composed of a sluggish onshore one, based on agriculture, manufacturing and a portion of services, and then the offshore one — handling huge financial flows that come into Ireland and go out again. This part has boomed, is the engine of GDP and employment growth, and is based on Ireland having created a tax-advantaged ‘flag of convenience’, whose benefits to its users go far further than the misunderstood low headline rate of Corporation Tax of 12.5%.
Ireland is increasingly using a series of structures for international companies to dog-leg revenues and profits through Ireland that relate to economic activities primarily in other EU Member States, but in non-EU countries as well. The structures are legal, but have the effect of shifting jobs and investments, revenues and profits into Ireland, leaving more menial activities to be carried out in the other countries, minimising their income and social taxes, and Corporation Tax takings. In other words, Ireland’s model works to the detriment of the UK’s and others’ exchequers, and this detriment is one of the significant hidden costs of UK membership of the EU, its Customs Union and Single Market.
So great is the scale of the operation that we estimate that €130bn or 40% of Irish GDP can be accounted for by ‘flag of convenience’ activity.
Once it becomes apparent how significant these distortions are, it is clear why Ireland needs the UK to be fully aligned to its economy. This does not serve UK interests, however.
Were the UK to diverge from EU rules and defend itself against these practices, there would be no advantage for the likes of Apple — which routes over €100bn of its annual revenues through Ireland — or Google and Dell to dog-leg their UK business through Ireland.
Very few of the sales are for goods, and indeed an even smaller proportion are for goods that need physically to move across the Ireland/Northern Ireland border. The overwhelming proportion of the sales are of services and of licence fees for usage of intellectual property. Ireland’s model deserves to be severely challenged, as it is an example of dog-legging business through Ireland for no other purpose than tax management. Global GDP is not increased or decreased by one cent, but the Irish government is getting a disproportionately large slice of the pie. That slice is being taken directly off the plates of other countries, with the UK in the front rank.
Raising the claim that that regulatory alignment is required to meet the terms of the Good Friday Agreement — and putting the issue of a ‘hard’ border on the island of Ireland so high up the negotiating agenda — are both convenient red herrings, obfuscating the scale and substance of the trade that Ireland is seeking to protect.
Ireland’s ‘flag of convenience’ model is challenged by any form of Brexit, particularly by a “No Deal” one and explains why its government has been so willing to work on the EU’s behalf to frustrate and deny Brexit in any meaningful sense. It’s called a vested interest and it’s high time we all recognised that. | |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 21:46 - Oct 16 with 789 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 13:16 - Oct 16 by Kerouac |
Why the Irish Taoiseach has a vested interest in keeping the UK locked into EU economic structures
The Irish Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, has played a strong hand in the Brexit negotiations, bringing in both the Good Friday Agreement and any possible border friction, real or imagined, to try to keep the UK locked into the EU’s economic structure throughout any transition period and then in perpetuity through a future UK/EU Free Trade Agreement.
So far the EU has backed him. The stakes for Ireland and the UK are very high: in a major paper published today by Global Britain and written by Ewen Stewart and myself entitled The Irish economic miracle — fact or fiction?, we show how Ireland benefits from exploiting bona fide arrangements in the international structure for corporate taxation and the freedoms of the EU, and by how much.
The losers are the UK, the other main EU Member States and the USA.
Ireland’s main economic indicators infer a miracle: annual GDP per head at US$78,800, second only to Luxembourg in the EU and some 40% higher than the Eurozone as a whole, and GDP growth of 39% since 2005, double the UK rate and three times the Eurozone average.
Ireland went through a €85bn financial bailout in 2010 but has rebounded dynamically compared to other bailout countries like Greece, Portugal and Cyprus.
Ireland’s economy is a two-speed one, composed of a sluggish onshore one, based on agriculture, manufacturing and a portion of services, and then the offshore one — handling huge financial flows that come into Ireland and go out again. This part has boomed, is the engine of GDP and employment growth, and is based on Ireland having created a tax-advantaged ‘flag of convenience’, whose benefits to its users go far further than the misunderstood low headline rate of Corporation Tax of 12.5%.
Ireland is increasingly using a series of structures for international companies to dog-leg revenues and profits through Ireland that relate to economic activities primarily in other EU Member States, but in non-EU countries as well. The structures are legal, but have the effect of shifting jobs and investments, revenues and profits into Ireland, leaving more menial activities to be carried out in the other countries, minimising their income and social taxes, and Corporation Tax takings. In other words, Ireland’s model works to the detriment of the UK’s and others’ exchequers, and this detriment is one of the significant hidden costs of UK membership of the EU, its Customs Union and Single Market.
So great is the scale of the operation that we estimate that €130bn or 40% of Irish GDP can be accounted for by ‘flag of convenience’ activity.
Once it becomes apparent how significant these distortions are, it is clear why Ireland needs the UK to be fully aligned to its economy. This does not serve UK interests, however.
Were the UK to diverge from EU rules and defend itself against these practices, there would be no advantage for the likes of Apple — which routes over €100bn of its annual revenues through Ireland — or Google and Dell to dog-leg their UK business through Ireland.
Very few of the sales are for goods, and indeed an even smaller proportion are for goods that need physically to move across the Ireland/Northern Ireland border. The overwhelming proportion of the sales are of services and of licence fees for usage of intellectual property. Ireland’s model deserves to be severely challenged, as it is an example of dog-legging business through Ireland for no other purpose than tax management. Global GDP is not increased or decreased by one cent, but the Irish government is getting a disproportionately large slice of the pie. That slice is being taken directly off the plates of other countries, with the UK in the front rank.
Raising the claim that that regulatory alignment is required to meet the terms of the Good Friday Agreement — and putting the issue of a ‘hard’ border on the island of Ireland so high up the negotiating agenda — are both convenient red herrings, obfuscating the scale and substance of the trade that Ireland is seeking to protect.
Ireland’s ‘flag of convenience’ model is challenged by any form of Brexit, particularly by a “No Deal” one and explains why its government has been so willing to work on the EU’s behalf to frustrate and deny Brexit in any meaningful sense. It’s called a vested interest and it’s high time we all recognised that. |
Its great to see the Irish government working for Ireland and the Irish people.
One day Cymru will see the same.
Any truth in the argument that Tory brexit timing aligns entirely with the EU tightening up on tax laws..? Pot and kettle.
The English problem in Ireland can be solved though, so no need for a hard border then.
All England has to do is get out of Ireland. | |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 22:46 - Oct 16 with 762 views | LeonWasGod |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 10:18 - Oct 16 by Kerouac |
What a f*cking mess the architects of the European Union project have created.
They have violated the sovereignty of Nation States without any authority from the public, there is no European demos.
They have created anarchy.
This is extremely dangerous and if war breaks out on the European continent as a result of encouragement given to separatist groups by Brussels the people at the top must surely pay. |
So you want the EU to interfere in Member States’ domestic issues now? I wish you’d make your mind up  |  | | |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 00:27 - Oct 17 with 750 views | Kerouac |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 22:46 - Oct 16 by LeonWasGod |
So you want the EU to interfere in Member States’ domestic issues now? I wish you’d make your mind up |
Not at all.
I want you, as a supporter of the EU, and the likes of Kilkenny and Trampie, to explain how the European Union position on Spain/Catalonia makes sense.
Go on, give it a go. | |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 00:35 - Oct 17 with 743 views | Kerouac |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 21:46 - Oct 16 by Kilkennyjack |
Its great to see the Irish government working for Ireland and the Irish people.
One day Cymru will see the same.
Any truth in the argument that Tory brexit timing aligns entirely with the EU tightening up on tax laws..? Pot and kettle.
The English problem in Ireland can be solved though, so no need for a hard border then.
All England has to do is get out of Ireland. |
Ich hätte geschworen, dass Sie gegen ein solches skandalöses Verhalten sind.
Sollten diese großen Multinationalen nicht ihre Steuern zahlen?
Wissen Sie, was das Wort "Prinzip" bedeutet, Irischer Junge? | |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 09:40 - Oct 17 with 691 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Yet another EU country full of peace and enlightenment.
The Dutch farmers are holding another Tractor rally and the Government are talking about using their army to stop them.
Just a small matter of the government raising fuels taxes and at the same time cutting the farms output by up to 50%.
Wonderful place EU land. | | | |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 09:43 - Oct 17 with 686 views | Uxbridge |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 09:40 - Oct 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Yet another EU country full of peace and enlightenment.
The Dutch farmers are holding another Tractor rally and the Government are talking about using their army to stop them.
Just a small matter of the government raising fuels taxes and at the same time cutting the farms output by up to 50%.
Wonderful place EU land. |
I'm sure nobody in this country would ever use the apparatus of the state to stop legitimate protest. | |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 18:56 - Oct 17 with 614 views | Catullus |
| Advocates of Welsh independence on 21:46 - Oct 16 by Kilkennyjack |
Its great to see the Irish government working for Ireland and the Irish people.
One day Cymru will see the same.
Any truth in the argument that Tory brexit timing aligns entirely with the EU tightening up on tax laws..? Pot and kettle.
The English problem in Ireland can be solved though, so no need for a hard border then.
All England has to do is get out of Ireland. |
Yep, good to see Ireland enabling tax avoidance. Something that will end if the EU manages to take over tax law, as they intend to try and do.
Apple for one, they avoid tens of millions in tax every year by using the Irish flag of convenience.
https://www.taxjustice.net/2018/06/25/new-report-is-apple-paying-less-than-1-tax | |
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| Advocates of Welsh independence on 09:39 - Oct 18 with 560 views | Kerouac |
This thread sort of sums up the EU and it's supporters for me.
They spend all of their time pretending that the EU is the magic pill that makes everything better but neglect to put forward how the EU will do this.
When hard evidence is put before them which contradicts the lie that the EU will actually do the things that is claimed for it....embarrassed silence (this is why you lost the referendum, because it is impossible to argue in favour of the EU without being a hypocrite, telling lies, and maintaining a coherent argument)
...of course what comes next?
repetition of the claims that have been proved to be lies..
Eu! Eu! Eu! 
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