| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:39 - Dec 15 with 981 views | exiledclaseboy |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:37 - Dec 15 by Dr_Winston |
Thornberry would be massacred. |
I don’t think she’ll stand. Nor Starmer if he’s got any sense. He needs to wait until the inevitable 2024 election defeat to throw his hat into the ring. The next leader will be a woman, and a momentum choice. Which means that no one other than Long Bailey has a chance. |  |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:40 - Dec 15 with 970 views | Flashberryjack |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:35 - Dec 15 by exiledclaseboy |
Only one of those names can be considered on the “Corbyn wing” of the party and that’s Long Bailey. Possibly two with Thornberry but that would be a stretch. |
Starmer would be the better of that sorry bunch, but if it's female leader they want. |  |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:42 - Dec 15 with 962 views | Dr_Winston |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:39 - Dec 15 by exiledclaseboy |
I don’t think she’ll stand. Nor Starmer if he’s got any sense. He needs to wait until the inevitable 2024 election defeat to throw his hat into the ring. The next leader will be a woman, and a momentum choice. Which means that no one other than Long Bailey has a chance. |
Concur. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:44 - Dec 15 with 956 views | exiledclaseboy |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:42 - Dec 15 by Dr_Winston |
Concur. |
I like Jess Phillips but she’s been way too critical of the Cult of Corbyn to be a contender. | |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:52 - Dec 15 with 937 views | Flashberryjack |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:44 - Dec 15 by exiledclaseboy |
I like Jess Phillips but she’s been way too critical of the Cult of Corbyn to be a contender. |
As I've said, Labour have learned absolutely nothing from their election defeat, it's them racist idiot voters that let them down. | |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:53 - Dec 15 with 938 views | Lohengrin |
If it’s a ‘Leader’ Labour are after then they are sh1t out of luck, the cupboard is bare. Logic dictates it ought to be Starmer but that’s incompatible with a manic ideological commitment to Egalitarianism. The next Captain of the Flying Dutchman will be determined by what’s between the legs rather than between the ears.
Sit back, put your feet up, and watch Labour tear itself apart in the coming weeks. |  |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:54 - Dec 15 with 930 views | exiledclaseboy |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:53 - Dec 15 by Lohengrin |
If it’s a ‘Leader’ Labour are after then they are sh1t out of luck, the cupboard is bare. Logic dictates it ought to be Starmer but that’s incompatible with a manic ideological commitment to Egalitarianism. The next Captain of the Flying Dutchman will be determined by what’s between the legs rather than between the ears.
Sit back, put your feet up, and watch Labour tear itself apart in the coming weeks. |
Labour tearing itself apart is a semi regular occurrence. Tends to happen around once a decade. | |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:01 - Dec 15 with 912 views | Lohengrin |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:54 - Dec 15 by exiledclaseboy |
Labour tearing itself apart is a semi regular occurrence. Tends to happen around once a decade. |
Nobody does internecine quite like them. This time around could be much, much worse. There simply aren’t any big characters there anymore, nobody with the experience and charisma to provide a rally point. Nobody capable of keeping a lid on the bitter factionalism. | |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:05 - Dec 15 with 898 views | exiledclaseboy |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:01 - Dec 15 by Lohengrin |
Nobody does internecine quite like them. This time around could be much, much worse. There simply aren’t any big characters there anymore, nobody with the experience and charisma to provide a rally point. Nobody capable of keeping a lid on the bitter factionalism. |
Well seeing as Johnson and the Tories are safely ensconced in power for the next decade at least, we may as well just sit back and enjoy the show. | |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:07 - Dec 15 with 895 views | Dr_Winston |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:01 - Dec 15 by Lohengrin |
Nobody does internecine quite like them. This time around could be much, much worse. There simply aren’t any big characters there anymore, nobody with the experience and charisma to provide a rally point. Nobody capable of keeping a lid on the bitter factionalism. |
As a general rule that's basically true of the Tories too. Johnson is probably the biggest "character" they've got left.
The cupboard is pretty bare on all sides of the house, and that's no good for anybody. It's almost enough to make me think that MP's should be paid more to try and attract better quality candidates, as capable people can earn a shitload more outside the House these days. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:22 - Dec 15 with 868 views | Humpty |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 19:58 - Dec 15 by Dr_Winston |
Corbyn made it very, very easy for the "right wing press" to do a job on him. If he hadn't spent his entire political career palling around with Hamas & the IRA, or frequently given speeches in front of murals of mass murderers like Mao and Stalin then they'd have had nothing to work with.
All they had on Ed Milliband was him looking weird eating a bacon sandwich and that was enough to negate the May factor. The Tories couldn't have handpicked a better leader of the opposition for them. |
It's true that Corbyn made it easier for them but any Labour leader will have it no matter what.
Milliband had none of the baggage that Corbyn has. That didn't stop the Mail on Sunday from digging his dead father up to administer a good kicking. |  | | |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:26 - Dec 15 with 860 views | Lohengrin |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:22 - Dec 15 by Humpty |
It's true that Corbyn made it easier for them but any Labour leader will have it no matter what.
Milliband had none of the baggage that Corbyn has. That didn't stop the Mail on Sunday from digging his dead father up to administer a good kicking. |
It probably didn’t help that Ed’s old man was a politically extreme undocumented alien called Adolphe. Tricky one that.  | |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:32 - Dec 15 with 848 views | Highjack |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:28 - Dec 15 by exiledclaseboy |
He’s not standing. |
Yet |  |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:32 - Dec 15 with 850 views | exiledclaseboy |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:32 - Dec 15 by Highjack |
Yet |
No. He’s not standing. | |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:42 - Dec 15 with 831 views | Humpty |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:26 - Dec 15 by Lohengrin |
It probably didn’t help that Ed’s old man was a politically extreme undocumented alien called Adolphe. Tricky one that. |
Or a refugee from the Nazis and D-Day hero. The Mail normally likes them. | | | |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:49 - Dec 15 with 819 views | Highjack |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:32 - Dec 15 by exiledclaseboy |
No. He’s not standing. |
Yet | |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:55 - Dec 15 with 806 views | monmouth |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:07 - Dec 15 by Dr_Winston |
As a general rule that's basically true of the Tories too. Johnson is probably the biggest "character" they've got left.
The cupboard is pretty bare on all sides of the house, and that's no good for anybody. It's almost enough to make me think that MP's should be paid more to try and attract better quality candidates, as capable people can earn a shitload more outside the House these days. |
Yes, many less of them paid more. And a much smaller elected second chamber to exert proper oversight and protect a proper written constitution.
All too late now though. The chancer pirates will slash and burn and remove all obstacles they don’t like. A boundary review and the BBC will be first. It’s still the bannon playbook. Control the message and the levers of power. The civil service will be fully politicised or totally decimated in the next 5 or 10 years. These people couldn’t give a shit about democracy and they are totally talentless and ego obsessed. We’re on quite uncharted waters. Alarmist? Maybe, but I don’t think improbable by any means.
All facilitated by David f*cking Cameron, Theresa f*cking May and Jeremy F*cking Corbyn let’s not forget. Of all of them Corbyn I hold most accountable for the almost certain shitshow to come. |  |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 22:03 - Dec 15 with 793 views | WarwickHunt |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:39 - Dec 15 by exiledclaseboy |
I don’t think she’ll stand. Nor Starmer if he’s got any sense. He needs to wait until the inevitable 2024 election defeat to throw his hat into the ring. The next leader will be a woman, and a momentum choice. Which means that no one other than Long Bailey has a chance. |
Which could mean the end of the Labour Party as we know it. If the Momentum “project” is still being pursued after that catastrophe I can see a huge split happening. |  | | |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 22:16 - Dec 15 with 763 views | WarwickHunt |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 20:28 - Dec 15 by exiledclaseboy |
He’s not standing. |
Just for deputy, which tragi-comic in itself.
Crace on Burgon -
“But Corbyn just keeps coming back for more. He’s even happy to let Richard Burgon out on the media round to defend him. The shadow justice minister is quite possibly the stupidest person in Westminster — he makes Liz Truss look like an intellectual colossus — and there is no bad situation he can’t make a whole lot worse. A mitigation plea from Burgon invariably results in a heavier sentence. But Jeremy is OK with that. The more he is vilified, the more he is certain he is in the right”
and he looks like a Thunderbird. | | | |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 22:20 - Dec 15 with 754 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 22:03 - Dec 15 by WarwickHunt |
Which could mean the end of the Labour Party as we know it. If the Momentum “project” is still being pursued after that catastrophe I can see a huge split happening. |
Momentum now control the Labour party brand. Fantastic for them as they can play their idealistic games whilst knowing that enough people will vote for them (because they'll vote for anything wearing a red rosette) to keep them as the main opposition in Parliament.
Any breakaway new party faces massive obstacles to break the ingrained party loyalty that exists. |  |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 22:28 - Dec 15 with 739 views | WarwickHunt |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 22:20 - Dec 15 by Joe_bradshaw |
Momentum now control the Labour party brand. Fantastic for them as they can play their idealistic games whilst knowing that enough people will vote for them (because they'll vote for anything wearing a red rosette) to keep them as the main opposition in Parliament.
Any breakaway new party faces massive obstacles to break the ingrained party loyalty that exists. |
It would need Grieve, Gauke, Rudd and others from the old Tory left to come on board if it was to work.
Wheels were allegedly in motion even before the election... | | | |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 22:32 - Dec 15 with 728 views | Catullus |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 22:20 - Dec 15 by Joe_bradshaw |
Momentum now control the Labour party brand. Fantastic for them as they can play their idealistic games whilst knowing that enough people will vote for them (because they'll vote for anything wearing a red rosette) to keep them as the main opposition in Parliament.
Any breakaway new party faces massive obstacles to break the ingrained party loyalty that exists. |
Not to forget that they need to find enough good people to stand, new people that is, not the same tired faces.
Seeing as there has been very little difference between Labour and Tory maybe they need to forget traditional party make up and be a properly inclusive party that will have anyone who has views that are centrist, who is good enough and try appealing to the whole country not just one side or the other.
A sensible manifesto, no unicorn promises which should maybe include a promise to reform Westminster and the Lords, oh and make a written constitution a long term aim. |  |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 22:38 - Dec 15 with 717 views | Darran |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 22:28 - Dec 15 by WarwickHunt |
It would need Grieve, Gauke, Rudd and others from the old Tory left to come on board if it was to work.
Wheels were allegedly in motion even before the election... |
Too many people would still vote for the name Labour. It would take decades. |  |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 06:38 - Dec 16 with 642 views | Dr_Winston |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 21:55 - Dec 15 by monmouth |
Yes, many less of them paid more. And a much smaller elected second chamber to exert proper oversight and protect a proper written constitution.
All too late now though. The chancer pirates will slash and burn and remove all obstacles they don’t like. A boundary review and the BBC will be first. It’s still the bannon playbook. Control the message and the levers of power. The civil service will be fully politicised or totally decimated in the next 5 or 10 years. These people couldn’t give a shit about democracy and they are totally talentless and ego obsessed. We’re on quite uncharted waters. Alarmist? Maybe, but I don’t think improbable by any means.
All facilitated by David f*cking Cameron, Theresa f*cking May and Jeremy F*cking Corbyn let’s not forget. Of all of them Corbyn I hold most accountable for the almost certain shitshow to come. |
There are 535 members of both the US Senate and House of Representatives combined. We've got over 100 more MP's than that for a population a fifth of the size. Far, far too many, especially since devolution handed off swathes of governance to a local (State in the US) level.
And that's not even counting the House of Lords, which is potentially another 800. Bonkers. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 08:24 - Dec 16 with 605 views | WarwickHunt |
| 12,695 people sign a letter to Corbyn on 22:38 - Dec 15 by Darran |
Too many people would still vote for the name Labour. It would take decades. |
From today’s Guardian -
“ The Fabian Society, the socialist society and thinktank, warned that to win a majority at the next election Labour needs to gain 123 seats, almost twice as many as it required at the 2019 election.
It highlighted the scale of the challenge facing the new leader, saying that to secure the “winning post” marginal seat Labour now needs an electoral swing of 10.3 percentage points, almost three times more than the swing it needed to win the 2019 election.
It said 63% of the seats Labour needs to win are in the north, the Midlands and Wales, while 104 of the 123 seats Labour needs are in towns not cities.
Andrew Harrop, the Fabian Society’s general secretary, said: “The detailed numbers show that Thursday’s result was even worse than it appeared on the night. Our analysis shows that Labour will need to make huge strides in this parliament to have a hope of winning power even in 10 years’ time. A decisive change in direction is therefore needed”
It’s OK though - Wrong-Bailey is going to continue the Momentum project...
It’s over. New party needed and the sooner the better. | | | |
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