| Piers this morning 08:56 - Apr 16 with 8858 views | raynor94 |
Interviewing Hancock, who admits 15000 people are arriving daily through Heathrow, from places like New York and Italy, and don't get tested.
Just allowed to mingle, truly staggering! |  |
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| Piers this morning on 11:09 - Apr 16 with 1427 views | Fireboy2 |
| Piers this morning on 10:40 - Apr 16 by raynor94 |
Brilliant post👠|
Seconded.
The prof is up there in my top 5 posters, posts nothing but sense  |  | | |
| Piers this morning on 11:11 - Apr 16 with 1426 views | chad |
| Piers this morning on 10:54 - Apr 16 by swancity |
It would surprise me
That can’t be right surely |
Scroll through the arrivals at Heathrow today, spotted at least a couple coming in from Shanghai
Lots of other places too
https://www.heathrow.com/arriv |  | | |
| Piers this morning on 11:14 - Apr 16 with 1411 views | builthjack |
| Piers this morning on 10:54 - Apr 16 by swancity |
It would surprise me
That can’t be right surely |
Check the arrivals |  |
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| Piers this morning on 11:21 - Apr 16 with 1392 views | WarwickHunt |
| Piers this morning on 11:03 - Apr 16 by Professor |
Should have certainly looked at suspending flights from affected areas much sooner. Continued with community testing and contact tracing. Locked down about 10 days sooner. Banned public events much sooner (football did well here in self--closure). Prepared with adequate PPE, testing and ICU spaces. Two of my researcher are now engaged in virus sequencing (at Liverpool) and testing and Milton Keynes. We could and wanted to mobilise weeks ago. All of these were consensus opinion from every scientist I personally know. Boris and Cummings (and their crony Vallance, the CSA) acted to protect business first and listened to an outlier view on Herd Immunity driven by a behavioural scientist. The only one who has any credit in my book is Chris Whitty, the CMO, who was clearly acting with his hands tied. Still, we could have Trump... |
Another top post.
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| Piers this morning on 11:24 - Apr 16 with 1383 views | chad |
| Piers this morning on 11:03 - Apr 16 by Professor |
Should have certainly looked at suspending flights from affected areas much sooner. Continued with community testing and contact tracing. Locked down about 10 days sooner. Banned public events much sooner (football did well here in self--closure). Prepared with adequate PPE, testing and ICU spaces. Two of my researcher are now engaged in virus sequencing (at Liverpool) and testing and Milton Keynes. We could and wanted to mobilise weeks ago. All of these were consensus opinion from every scientist I personally know. Boris and Cummings (and their crony Vallance, the CSA) acted to protect business first and listened to an outlier view on Herd Immunity driven by a behavioural scientist. The only one who has any credit in my book is Chris Whitty, the CMO, who was clearly acting with his hands tied. Still, we could have Trump... |
Yet experts linked to WHO still yesterday saying stopping flights does not help!
This was in defence of WHO in mid Jan recommending no restrictions on travel from China and saying there was no reason for checks on passengers arriving
Days later apparently Germany’s case zero flew in from Shanghai after her parents visited from Wuhan and it started spreading through the cars parts factory where she was working. | | | |
| Piers this morning on 11:37 - Apr 16 with 1359 views | chad |
‘In reality, the science around coronavirus is in its infancy and developing daily, with researchers across the world trying to understand how the virus spreads, how the body responds — and how to treat it and control it. ‘
Amen to that and this speed and agility is essential to save lives, many many lives
In fairness some on here were saying similar things to what is contained in that article some time ago. | | | |
| Piers this morning on 11:38 - Apr 16 with 1348 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Piers this morning on 10:38 - Apr 16 by Professor |
Yes. I won't be clapping though. I admire the work and thankful for the dedication of health care professionals. Same with this Captain Tom. Good on him and he deserves recognition. But not for tasing £12million for the NHS. The funding should be coming from the taxes that corporations and individuals are allowed to evade and by reversing some of the tax breaks for the richest. I genuinely worry these event are masking the nasty truth of underfunding, poor pay and conditions that our key workers endure and the rank incompetence of government. As many are pointing out you don't need to be any expert to identify failings. I would prefer a rise of my 40% tax rate next year to 45%. Would bring in billions and I would lose perhaps £25 each month. |
I disagree. I think a man whose nearly 100 years old doing laps of his garden raising money for the NHS brings into sharp focus the corruption of the Tory government leaving massive corporations pay f*ck all tax, less tan 0.5 percent, who benefit from fit and health consumers (unless big pharma obviously) but don’t contribute anything near what they should.
It should lay bare this government enabled billionaire preservation scheme under an intense glaring spotlight and they should be shamed the world over.
Maybe this crisis will bury this global capitalist sham for once and all. If it doesn’t then absolutely nothing will. |  |
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| Piers this morning on 11:40 - Apr 16 with 1354 views | Darran |
| Piers this morning on 10:38 - Apr 16 by Professor |
Yes. I won't be clapping though. I admire the work and thankful for the dedication of health care professionals. Same with this Captain Tom. Good on him and he deserves recognition. But not for tasing £12million for the NHS. The funding should be coming from the taxes that corporations and individuals are allowed to evade and by reversing some of the tax breaks for the richest. I genuinely worry these event are masking the nasty truth of underfunding, poor pay and conditions that our key workers endure and the rank incompetence of government. As many are pointing out you don't need to be any expert to identify failings. I would prefer a rise of my 40% tax rate next year to 45%. Would bring in billions and I would lose perhaps £25 each month. |
I said that yesterday mun. Plus there’s £12.5million from the Duke of Westminster.
The Tory twáts are pissing themselves. |  |
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| Piers this morning on 11:45 - Apr 16 with 1345 views | Professor |
| Piers this morning on 11:38 - Apr 16 by Brynmill_Jack |
I disagree. I think a man whose nearly 100 years old doing laps of his garden raising money for the NHS brings into sharp focus the corruption of the Tory government leaving massive corporations pay f*ck all tax, less tan 0.5 percent, who benefit from fit and health consumers (unless big pharma obviously) but don’t contribute anything near what they should.
It should lay bare this government enabled billionaire preservation scheme under an intense glaring spotlight and they should be shamed the world over.
Maybe this crisis will bury this global capitalist sham for once and all. If it doesn’t then absolutely nothing will. |
That is an equally valid argument. You know where Patrick Vallance came
From-
Yes,
Big pharma |  | | |
| Piers this morning on 11:59 - Apr 16 with 1316 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Piers this morning on 11:03 - Apr 16 by Professor |
Should have certainly looked at suspending flights from affected areas much sooner. Continued with community testing and contact tracing. Locked down about 10 days sooner. Banned public events much sooner (football did well here in self--closure). Prepared with adequate PPE, testing and ICU spaces. Two of my researcher are now engaged in virus sequencing (at Liverpool) and testing and Milton Keynes. We could and wanted to mobilise weeks ago. All of these were consensus opinion from every scientist I personally know. Boris and Cummings (and their crony Vallance, the CSA) acted to protect business first and listened to an outlier view on Herd Immunity driven by a behavioural scientist. The only one who has any credit in my book is Chris Whitty, the CMO, who was clearly acting with his hands tied. Still, we could have Trump... |
Brilliant post.
I hope everyone reads and digests this.
Boris and Cummings called the wrong shots, and we are all paying a huge price.
Not fit to lead. |  |
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| Piers this morning on 12:00 - Apr 16 with 1304 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Piers this morning on 11:45 - Apr 16 by Professor |
That is an equally valid argument. You know where Patrick Vallance came
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Yes,
Big pharma |
Well there has to be an independent public inquiry (or inquest) into the whole situation. One where the psychopaths can’t have any influence (like Grenfell) . Saying that the abuse scandal has gone through three or four chairmen and that’s got nowhere. This is a far more open situation and hopefully the truth will come out and any interests working against the public good must be exposed and punished. | |
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| Piers this morning on 12:11 - Apr 16 with 1297 views | Professor |
| Piers this morning on 12:00 - Apr 16 by Brynmill_Jack |
Well there has to be an independent public inquiry (or inquest) into the whole situation. One where the psychopaths can’t have any influence (like Grenfell) . Saying that the abuse scandal has gone through three or four chairmen and that’s got nowhere. This is a far more open situation and hopefully the truth will come out and any interests working against the public good must be exposed and punished. |
100% agree. As you say, the nature of the abuse inquiry' has made it difficult. There has to be proper accountability for this shambles. We should not exceed Italy or Spain in deaths with prior warning and geographical advantage. Yet people are stating the government are doing well. | | | |
| Piers this morning on 12:21 - Apr 16 with 1275 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Piers this morning on 12:11 - Apr 16 by Professor |
100% agree. As you say, the nature of the abuse inquiry' has made it difficult. There has to be proper accountability for this shambles. We should not exceed Italy or Spain in deaths with prior warning and geographical advantage. Yet people are stating the government are doing well. |
Any inquiry has to go to the root cause of what happened in China and when and from there who knew what when. If we don't understand how this started we face the distinct probability of more instances. |  |
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| Piers this morning on 12:24 - Apr 16 with 1271 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Piers this morning on 12:11 - Apr 16 by Professor |
100% agree. As you say, the nature of the abuse inquiry' has made it difficult. There has to be proper accountability for this shambles. We should not exceed Italy or Spain in deaths with prior warning and geographical advantage. Yet people are stating the government are doing well. |
It can only be because the MSM are not getting the facts out to the public.
The fact we wasted the huge advantages of both time and geography is unforgivable.
The lack of PPE kit, the flights in, the lack of testing, not knowing how many health professionals have died, choosing not to participate in EU procurement of kit, failing to protect care homes, and locking down too late.
NHS Lions led by lazy smug donkeys. | |
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| Piers this morning on 12:27 - Apr 16 with 1268 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Piers this morning on 10:22 - Apr 16 by Professor |
It would be interesting really know the level of crowding. It can look bad at one station or a single train, but perhaps if you are getting on at Tooting Broadway, Acton Town or Cockfosters the situation is different. It seems only the Mail is covering this-I think it is very agenda driven |
On 3 April last year there were 4m tube journeys.
This year on 1 April there were 200,000.
Only 5% of the usual figure.
There is a concerted campaign against Khan from the right wing press.
The numbers of people using the service are given every day and are at tiny levels.
People ignore that and choose to believe politically biased crap from tabloids. | | | |
| Piers this morning on 12:30 - Apr 16 with 1262 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Piers this morning on 10:38 - Apr 16 by Professor |
Yes. I won't be clapping though. I admire the work and thankful for the dedication of health care professionals. Same with this Captain Tom. Good on him and he deserves recognition. But not for tasing £12million for the NHS. The funding should be coming from the taxes that corporations and individuals are allowed to evade and by reversing some of the tax breaks for the richest. I genuinely worry these event are masking the nasty truth of underfunding, poor pay and conditions that our key workers endure and the rank incompetence of government. As many are pointing out you don't need to be any expert to identify failings. I would prefer a rise of my 40% tax rate next year to 45%. Would bring in billions and I would lose perhaps £25 each month. |
“ I would prefer a rise of my 40% tax rate next year to 45%. Would bring in billions and I would lose perhaps £25 each month.”
It doesn’t bring in billions though. We are at about the optimum figure for tax raising on individuals.
Taxing multi national corporations properly is the thing which moves the dial. It should be the number one focus. That, and taxing the super rich properly who pay almost no tax. | | | |
| Piers this morning on 12:30 - Apr 16 with 1260 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Piers this morning on 12:27 - Apr 16 by londonlisa2001 |
On 3 April last year there were 4m tube journeys.
This year on 1 April there were 200,000.
Only 5% of the usual figure.
There is a concerted campaign against Khan from the right wing press.
The numbers of people using the service are given every day and are at tiny levels.
People ignore that and choose to believe politically biased crap from tabloids. |
I'd say.....
People choose to believe politically biased crap. | |
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| Piers this morning on 12:34 - Apr 16 with 1254 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Piers this morning on 12:24 - Apr 16 by Kilkennyjack |
It can only be because the MSM are not getting the facts out to the public.
The fact we wasted the huge advantages of both time and geography is unforgivable.
The lack of PPE kit, the flights in, the lack of testing, not knowing how many health professionals have died, choosing not to participate in EU procurement of kit, failing to protect care homes, and locking down too late.
NHS Lions led by lazy smug donkeys. |
A lot of those smug donkeys are actually at the top of the NHS, hence the problems with PPEs, the testing fiasco etc.
Those things are not all under Government control. | | | |
| Piers this morning on 12:37 - Apr 16 with 1246 views | Professor |
| Piers this morning on 12:27 - Apr 16 by londonlisa2001 |
On 3 April last year there were 4m tube journeys.
This year on 1 April there were 200,000.
Only 5% of the usual figure.
There is a concerted campaign against Khan from the right wing press.
The numbers of people using the service are given every day and are at tiny levels.
People ignore that and choose to believe politically biased crap from tabloids. |
Thanks Lisa
It is what I thought | | | |
| Piers this morning on 12:41 - Apr 16 with 1234 views | BillyChong |
Hancock is still about 10,000 tests a day away from what he promised a month ago. And proceeds to babble on nonsense such as blaming nhs staff for wasting PPE. The MSM are shying away from these facts. | | | |
| Piers this morning on 12:46 - Apr 16 with 1221 views | Professor |
| Piers this morning on 12:30 - Apr 16 by londonlisa2001 |
“ I would prefer a rise of my 40% tax rate next year to 45%. Would bring in billions and I would lose perhaps £25 each month.”
It doesn’t bring in billions though. We are at about the optimum figure for tax raising on individuals.
Taxing multi national corporations properly is the thing which moves the dial. It should be the number one focus. That, and taxing the super rich properly who pay almost no tax. |
Well- I am not an economist, but would be symbolic at least. I earn just shy of 80K a year plus little consultancy some years which goes through payroll and subject to PAYE, NI etc. I probably pay a third of my income as tax and pension. I get annoyed by the adverts on the local rugby and cricket grounds (my son's school is in a very posh area) promoting tax avoidance. It seems we need a change in attitude away from the American (the revolution was about tax after all) to the European. | | | |
| Piers this morning on 13:00 - Apr 16 with 1188 views | Scotia |
Based on some of the posts in this thread I would love Prof Witty to publish his memoirs. Hopefully before the next General Election.
Up until a couple of weeks ago I thought we were being led in the right direction, we are clearly being led by idiots. Who elected these people? I suppose this is what happens when we have the weakest group of politicians in living memory. I'm actually becoming a fan af Angela Merkel. | | | |
| Piers this morning on 13:01 - Apr 16 with 1188 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Piers this morning on 12:46 - Apr 16 by Professor |
Well- I am not an economist, but would be symbolic at least. I earn just shy of 80K a year plus little consultancy some years which goes through payroll and subject to PAYE, NI etc. I probably pay a third of my income as tax and pension. I get annoyed by the adverts on the local rugby and cricket grounds (my son's school is in a very posh area) promoting tax avoidance. It seems we need a change in attitude away from the American (the revolution was about tax after all) to the European. |
We need a total overhaul of the tax system.
At the moment, too much is taken from people like you when you look at the curve, and too little from those who are genuinely wealthy. It’s because it’s easy to target PAYE.
It’s people like Branson, Green etc who are the issue. Branson has paid no tax in the UK for years (there was a report just a few days ago after he asked for a bail out of Virgin Atlantic). Green has asked for a bail out doe Arcadia, yet transferred billions to Monaco without any tax.
People are talking about the Duke of Westminster giving £12m. He inherited something like £10bn from his father a year or so ago and paid no, or virtually no, inheritance tax. The average Joe in London (with a modest property) pays huge inheritance tax simply due to property prices that they can’t control.
The little book shop pays, Amazon does not. The little cafe pays, Starbucks does not. The system is warped against the ‘middle’ and is far too lax at the top, | | | |
| Piers this morning on 13:03 - Apr 16 with 1186 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Piers this morning on 12:46 - Apr 16 by Professor |
Well- I am not an economist, but would be symbolic at least. I earn just shy of 80K a year plus little consultancy some years which goes through payroll and subject to PAYE, NI etc. I probably pay a third of my income as tax and pension. I get annoyed by the adverts on the local rugby and cricket grounds (my son's school is in a very posh area) promoting tax avoidance. It seems we need a change in attitude away from the American (the revolution was about tax after all) to the European. |
The issue with large corporations and very rich individuals is that they can move bewteen, there needs to be international co-operation on taxes for tech corporations for example, this is difficult to achieve the EU could not do it.
https://www.ft.com/content/75e | |
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| Piers this morning on 13:08 - Apr 16 with 1181 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Piers this morning on 13:00 - Apr 16 by Scotia |
Based on some of the posts in this thread I would love Prof Witty to publish his memoirs. Hopefully before the next General Election.
Up until a couple of weeks ago I thought we were being led in the right direction, we are clearly being led by idiots. Who elected these people? I suppose this is what happens when we have the weakest group of politicians in living memory. I'm actually becoming a fan af Angela Merkel. |
The only thing I would point out when looking at other countries, is they are geographically different. The largest city in Germany (Berlin) has only 3.5m people. London has 9m. Birmingham (the conurbation) has close to 3m, Greater Manchester over 2m.
The UK has the same population as France and is less than half the size.
We have a very concentrated population, largely based in big cities, with a small rural population. Look at Wales, where the population is heavily focused on the Swansea, Cardiff, Newport artery.
That’s allowed spread in a different way to that experienced in other countries. When you look at New York, compared to London, our cases are low.
That doesn’t detract from the need, as stated, for an independent enquiry. As I suggested the other day, I’d put Lady Hale in charge. | | | |
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