| Is the lock down ending too soon? 04:59 - Jul 1 with 125820 views | Glyn1 |
That's basically it.
Thoughts please. [Post edited 1 Jul 2020 5:00]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 00:47 - Jul 23 with 1480 views | raynor94 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:52 - Jul 22 by Treforys_Jack |
No-one really knows do they, if the experts and scientists can't agree a definitive strategy what hope have we got. I would expect a uniformed response though from all home nations at the very least, what we have had is a complete clusterfeck. I believe Johnson should be in a court of law for negligence at the very least. He is a clown and buffoon of the highest order. |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 07:44 - Jul 23 with 1432 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:41 - Jul 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Or .....in the real world ..... doing a far better job than Boris and his useless government of clowns 🤡.
Let me help you understand.
The disease cannot move on its own.
Locking people down stops the disease.
You get lower R rates as a direct result.
If you unlock too soon, the virus is still around and will start to spread.
This will result in increased R rates and local lockdowns will follow.
This approach risks further economic damage.
Areas in lockdown always have lower R rates.
It is not sensible for you to argue otherwise.
Please give the devolved nations the credit they deserve in showing traitor Johnson how its done. |
So...In the real world....do you think lockdowns, anywhere, will eradicate the virus? |  | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 08:10 - Jul 23 with 1433 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 07:44 - Jul 23 by Scotia |
So...In the real world....do you think lockdowns, anywhere, will eradicate the virus? |
I said what i said, not what you said.
Lockdown has saved 10,000’s lives in UK, maybe 100,000’s.
Saved the pain, the suffering, and freed up care resources for others.
It has been very successful.
Lazy clown Johnson locked down too late and 10,000’s died unnecessarily.
I hope you understand that.
Lockdown ends when the numbers say its safe to end it, anything else is a gamble that risks lives and the economy.
Try to be an adult. |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:14 - Jul 23 with 1406 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 08:10 - Jul 23 by Kilkennyjack |
I said what i said, not what you said.
Lockdown has saved 10,000’s lives in UK, maybe 100,000’s.
Saved the pain, the suffering, and freed up care resources for others.
It has been very successful.
Lazy clown Johnson locked down too late and 10,000’s died unnecessarily.
I hope you understand that.
Lockdown ends when the numbers say its safe to end it, anything else is a gamble that risks lives and the economy.
Try to be an adult. |
Those numbers would say that time was 3 weeks ago in that case.
Are you aware that despite relaxing lockdown and more ,very targeted tests, there has barely been a plateau in cases in England since last week? Whilst their economy safely begins to recover.
Are you aware that there are more people on furlough in Wales than anywhere else in the uk? A scheme that Wales can't afford to pay for and begins to end in two weeks. Our businesses have been hamstrung by Drakefords continued lockkdown.
Johnson locked down too late, no doubt about that, he is a buffoon. Thank the lord for devolution and Drakeford being able to lockdown so much earlier - oh wait, he didn't did he? | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 10:59 - Jul 23 with 1397 views | Jackinexile1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:41 - Jul 12 by Scotia |
I'll answer the second point then. He points out that per capita there is very little difference. The map is basically pointless in that form.
We do have the tightest lock down, comfortably, Scottish schools have different holidays and stop in June and return in August normally. They aren't shut because of lock down they have already started summer holidays. Their shops opened at a very similar time and inside hospitality opens this week.
Face masks help moving out of lock down, nobody needs to wear one if they can't go anywhere.
The spread from England is a major concern - but not one we can do much about which makes our much stricter lock down at best futile and potentially more damaging. |
Its basically pointless having an extended lockdown, theres thousands of people travelling between England and Wales everyday. |  | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:51 - Jul 23 with 1372 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:14 - Jul 23 by Scotia |
Those numbers would say that time was 3 weeks ago in that case.
Are you aware that despite relaxing lockdown and more ,very targeted tests, there has barely been a plateau in cases in England since last week? Whilst their economy safely begins to recover.
Are you aware that there are more people on furlough in Wales than anywhere else in the uk? A scheme that Wales can't afford to pay for and begins to end in two weeks. Our businesses have been hamstrung by Drakefords continued lockkdown.
Johnson locked down too late, no doubt about that, he is a buffoon. Thank the lord for devolution and Drakeford being able to lockdown so much earlier - oh wait, he didn't did he? |
Yes we started in lock step with that idiot Johnson who was following different science to the rest of the world.
But then our Welsh Parliament came of age and thousands of lives have been saved.
Yes we all want the lockdown lifted Asap ....but in a considered and measured way to protect the progress made. Its not the time to bury your head in the sand as that idiot Trump proves every day. Wishing it away does not work.
The Uk simply cant afford furlough .... see below.
‘The UK's debt is now worth more than its economy after the government borrowed a record amount in May.
The £55.2bn figure was nine times higher than in May last year and the highest since records began in 1993.
The borrowing splurge sent total government debt surging to £1.95trn, exceeding the size of the economy for the first time in more than 50 years.‘
Are you sure you want a conversation of who can afford what ? The UK is fecked. 👠| |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:55 - Jul 23 with 1369 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 10:59 - Jul 23 by Jackinexile1 |
Its basically pointless having an extended lockdown, theres thousands of people travelling between England and Wales everyday. |
Brilliant point.
Wales and England are the only countries in the world who have people travelling over the border.
Oh hang on .. thats complete bollox.
Guess what .... thats everywhere in the world ?
Are you really suggesting that nations should not bother on this basis ?
In a global sense you are in a minority of ..... well, 1. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 14:56 - Jul 23 with 1342 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:51 - Jul 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Yes we started in lock step with that idiot Johnson who was following different science to the rest of the world.
But then our Welsh Parliament came of age and thousands of lives have been saved.
Yes we all want the lockdown lifted Asap ....but in a considered and measured way to protect the progress made. Its not the time to bury your head in the sand as that idiot Trump proves every day. Wishing it away does not work.
The Uk simply cant afford furlough .... see below.
‘The UK's debt is now worth more than its economy after the government borrowed a record amount in May.
The £55.2bn figure was nine times higher than in May last year and the highest since records began in 1993.
The borrowing splurge sent total government debt surging to £1.95trn, exceeding the size of the economy for the first time in more than 50 years.‘
Are you sure you want a conversation of who can afford what ? The UK is fecked. 👠|
Thousands of lives have not been saved by continuing lock down for the last month, in fact I bet not a single life has been saved at a cost of continued anguish for thousands. That is nonsense and the figures in England clearly demonstrate it.
In fact it could be said they have approached the ease of lock down in a considered and measured way as there doesn't seem to be an increase in cases attributable to opening business and leisure. Increases seem to be related to existing work practices (as has been seen in Wales too) and gatherings of large househoulds, of which we have far fewer.
The UK couldn't afford NOT to have furlough - thankfully we have the economy of England to pay for those in Wales requiring the scheme.
I don't think the upcoming economic crisis is going to surprise anyone - which is exactly why we need to start generating cash. | | | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:13 - Jul 23 with 1343 views | pencoedjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 14:56 - Jul 23 by Scotia |
Thousands of lives have not been saved by continuing lock down for the last month, in fact I bet not a single life has been saved at a cost of continued anguish for thousands. That is nonsense and the figures in England clearly demonstrate it.
In fact it could be said they have approached the ease of lock down in a considered and measured way as there doesn't seem to be an increase in cases attributable to opening business and leisure. Increases seem to be related to existing work practices (as has been seen in Wales too) and gatherings of large househoulds, of which we have far fewer.
The UK couldn't afford NOT to have furlough - thankfully we have the economy of England to pay for those in Wales requiring the scheme.
I don't think the upcoming economic crisis is going to surprise anyone - which is exactly why we need to start generating cash. |
The idiot has no idea about the requirement to start generating cash, his giro hasn't been affected throughout the crisis.
He will try to make you believe we can be a self sufficient by selling water to the English if you hang about for a bit. |  | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:38 - Jul 23 with 1306 views | shingle |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 08:10 - Jul 23 by Kilkennyjack |
I said what i said, not what you said.
Lockdown has saved 10,000’s lives in UK, maybe 100,000’s.
Saved the pain, the suffering, and freed up care resources for others.
It has been very successful.
Lazy clown Johnson locked down too late and 10,000’s died unnecessarily.
I hope you understand that.
Lockdown ends when the numbers say its safe to end it, anything else is a gamble that risks lives and the economy.
Try to be an adult. |
Wow the lockdown will have caused the deaths of up to half a million people in the long run due to not having access to early diagnosis and treatment, the stoppage of so many medical procedures, will far out way the number deaths caused by Covid even if they trebled due to not shutting down, yet headers like you believe this lockdown has freed up resources for other medical treatment, at least that is what i believe your getting at, if that's the case you really are an absolute dimwit., think of the people who will have contracted cancer and other serious illness yet can not get a diagnosis for them and you think pain and suffering is being saved. [Post edited 23 Jul 2020 18:47]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:44 - Jul 23 with 1298 views | shingle |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 07:44 - Jul 23 by Scotia |
So...In the real world....do you think lockdowns, anywhere, will eradicate the virus? |
Nope it will cause many more deaths from other serious illness, destroy the economy, kill off businesses, cause the loss of countless jobs etc, the damage going to be caused in the long run is an absolute time bomb and will have far worse consequences than that of Covid 19. and yes the virus will still be with us at the end of it all. [Post edited 23 Jul 2020 18:46]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:19 - Jul 23 with 1280 views | Andy1300 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:44 - Jul 23 by shingle |
Nope it will cause many more deaths from other serious illness, destroy the economy, kill off businesses, cause the loss of countless jobs etc, the damage going to be caused in the long run is an absolute time bomb and will have far worse consequences than that of Covid 19. and yes the virus will still be with us at the end of it all. [Post edited 23 Jul 2020 18:46]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:38 - Jul 23 with 1246 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:19 - Jul 23 by Andy1300 |
But some won’t see it like that. |
Because it isn't like that. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:53 - Jul 23 with 1241 views | Andy1300 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:38 - Jul 23 by Scotia |
Because it isn't like that. |
So why post it then? | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:54 - Jul 23 with 1240 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:44 - Jul 23 by shingle |
Nope it will cause many more deaths from other serious illness, destroy the economy, kill off businesses, cause the loss of countless jobs etc, the damage going to be caused in the long run is an absolute time bomb and will have far worse consequences than that of Covid 19. and yes the virus will still be with us at the end of it all. [Post edited 23 Jul 2020 18:46]
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Do you howl at the moon as well ?
You may as well because it would be as useful as your view on Covid.
As we say, you seem a bit twp ..... 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:57 - Jul 23 with 1237 views | Andy1300 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:54 - Jul 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Do you howl at the moon as well ?
You may as well because it would be as useful as your view on Covid.
As we say, you seem a bit twp ..... 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
It ain’t going away, we may as well get back to life and learn to live with it.
We can’t put life on hold forever | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:01 - Jul 23 with 1233 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:13 - Jul 23 by pencoedjack |
The idiot has no idea about the requirement to start generating cash, his giro hasn't been affected throughout the crisis.
He will try to make you believe we can be a self sufficient by selling water to the English if you hang about for a bit. |
Playing the man not the ball again.
Such a funny guy as well.
The poorest area in Western Europe should not give a feck about generated £600 million per annum.
You are a genius.
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:24 - Jul 23 with 1228 views | Andy1300 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:01 - Jul 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Playing the man not the ball again.
Such a funny guy as well.
The poorest area in Western Europe should not give a feck about generated £600 million per annum.
You are a genius.
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Where will the rest come from?
Perhaps we could sell scotch mist too | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:24 - Jul 23 with 1202 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:24 - Jul 23 by Andy1300 |
Where will the rest come from?
Perhaps we could sell scotch mist too |
Another ill informed fool.
Its the UK thats in the shite financially, not Cymru.
‘The UK's debt is now worth more than its economy after the government borrowed a record amount in May.
The £55.2bn figure was nine times higher than in May last year and the highest since records began in 1993.
The borrowing splurge sent total government debt surging to £1.95trn, exceeding the size of the economy for the first time in more than 50 years.‘
Where will the money come from ?
Perhaps the uk can sell scotch mist ? .... oh, how we laughed ..?! | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:43 - Jul 23 with 1189 views | majorraglan |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:38 - Jul 23 by shingle |
Wow the lockdown will have caused the deaths of up to half a million people in the long run due to not having access to early diagnosis and treatment, the stoppage of so many medical procedures, will far out way the number deaths caused by Covid even if they trebled due to not shutting down, yet headers like you believe this lockdown has freed up resources for other medical treatment, at least that is what i believe your getting at, if that's the case you really are an absolute dimwit., think of the people who will have contracted cancer and other serious illness yet can not get a diagnosis for them and you think pain and suffering is being saved. [Post edited 23 Jul 2020 18:47]
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The initial predictions and some of the modelling was that in a worst case scenario between 250,000 around 500,000 lives would be lost. As things currently stand, there have been around 65,000 excess deaths which is much lower than the worst case predictions, but it’s still a heck of a lot of people though and they are predicting around 120,000 in a second wave, however who knows what will happen between now and November- we may be lucky and get some great medical break through. What we don’t have figures for is the number of people who have been admitted to hospital, received treatment and gone on to make a “full” recovery. One significant benefit of the lockdown was the fact that the NHS wasn’t overwhelmed like we saw in the horrific images from Italy.
There is no doubt some very ill people have lost their lives as a result of delays and cancellation of treatments, and sadly, there’s no doubt in my mind more families will lose loved ones on account of delays etc. Others may not die, but they will suffer significant medical episodes which could have long lasting effects. It seems Covid is going to be around a while, so we need health services to think about new ways of delivering services, potentially focussing Covid care at specific facilities thereby allowing business as usual services to resume at other locations, improved testing regimes to identify asymptomatic carriers who could be inadvertently putting patients and staff at risk etc.
There is no doubt our economy is going to get smashed, it’s predominantly service based and geared up around personal interactions, sales etc etc. We definitely need the economy to reopen as quickly as possible, but it has to be in a safe manner because if people aren’t convinced it’s safe, they won’t go and they won’t spend their money. The absence of clear, consistent coherent messages from Central Government isn’t helping, the changing of minds, conflicting advice only serves to create confusion and distrust amongst the public.
For what it’s worth, as a Country I think we were ill prepared (see testing, PPE, discharge of patients into care homes etc) and we should have locked down earlier. I think the Government were late to react, a significant proportion of the population had already made their own mind up by the time Boris announced the lockdown. An earlier shutdown would have reduced the spread, potentially saved lives and allowed us to re open earlier.
I think a lot of people and organisations got things wrong, let’s hope we can learn from the mistakes and move forward safely. [Post edited 23 Jul 2020 22:43]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:31 - Jul 24 with 1071 views | pencoedjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:24 - Jul 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Another ill informed fool.
Its the UK thats in the shite financially, not Cymru.
‘The UK's debt is now worth more than its economy after the government borrowed a record amount in May.
The £55.2bn figure was nine times higher than in May last year and the highest since records began in 1993.
The borrowing splurge sent total government debt surging to £1.95trn, exceeding the size of the economy for the first time in more than 50 years.‘
Where will the money come from ?
Perhaps the uk can sell scotch mist ? .... oh, how we laughed ..?! |
I start by giving scroungers fuk all & getting them out cleaning the streets to earn the money gifted to them by the UK government. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:37 - Jul 24 with 1068 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:53 - Jul 23 by Andy1300 |
So why post it then? |
Becasue lock down was absolutely, 100% needed and the right thing to do. It was needed for enough time to get control of the virus. By and large we have control of the virus, more so in Wales than parts of England.
We should be at the same stage of easing lock down as them. The virus isn't going to be easily controlled until we have an effective vaccine - we will need local lockdowns at least until then. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:42 - Jul 24 with 1063 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:01 - Jul 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Playing the man not the ball again.
Such a funny guy as well.
The poorest area in Western Europe should not give a feck about generated £600 million per annum.
You are a genius.
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Why would England, or anyone else for that matter, buy something from us that they don't need? | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:54 - Jul 24 with 1057 views | raynor94 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:31 - Jul 24 by pencoedjack |
I start by giving scroungers fuk all & getting them out cleaning the streets to earn the money gifted to them by the UK government. |
Thousands of vacancies fruit and vegetable picking, strangely they can't get people. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 10:22 - Jul 24 with 1051 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:38 - Jul 23 by shingle |
Wow the lockdown will have caused the deaths of up to half a million people in the long run due to not having access to early diagnosis and treatment, the stoppage of so many medical procedures, will far out way the number deaths caused by Covid even if they trebled due to not shutting down, yet headers like you believe this lockdown has freed up resources for other medical treatment, at least that is what i believe your getting at, if that's the case you really are an absolute dimwit., think of the people who will have contracted cancer and other serious illness yet can not get a diagnosis for them and you think pain and suffering is being saved. [Post edited 23 Jul 2020 18:47]
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The excess deaths from normal illnesses have absolutely nothing to do with "Lockdown" and everything to do with total mismanagement by the Government and the NHS management.
They had hundreds of private hospitals and 6000 beds in Nightingale hospitals which went unused during the height of the crisis.
The concept of "Isolation" and "Quarantine" have been totally lost on both the Government and the NHS management, nursing COVID-19 patients in hospitals used for normal patients was always going to be a disaster for the normal patients, in fact I predicted it on these forums it back in March.
And it is not just the UK that no longer have Isolation Hospitals. [Post edited 24 Jul 2020 20:31]
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