| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI 13:03 - Sep 29 with 6550 views | onehunglow |
Sense at last.
Court of Appeal upholds the decision not to prosecute soldiers for "bloody Sunday".
God only knows how those soldiers have suffered under this cloud for almost 50 years.
A filthy ,dirty war where they were hung out to dry by a succession of British Governments.
That day is of course now folklore in Londonderry and the IRA supporters are of course livid with the decision.
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 14:40 - Oct 4 with 797 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 14:24 - Oct 4 by onehunglow |
Tramp me ol mucker,you need to consider relocating to Cork,Galway or Connemara .It must be murder for you to live in Great Britain and all that it entails. |
Trampie lives in Wales.
Some people dont ..... 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |  |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 14:42 - Oct 4 with 792 views | trampie |
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The oldest Welsh infantry regiment The Royal Welch Fusiliers (23rd of foot) was raised in 1689 so for over 300 hundred centuries we the welsh soldier was trusted enough to defend the country . The rest of the religious aspect of your post I must admit to have skipped over |
Purely Welsh ?, based in Wales. [Post edited 4 Oct 2020 14:51]
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 14:43 - Oct 4 with 790 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 11:48 - Oct 4 by Kerouac |
You may wish the United Kingdom did not exist, but it does...and Welsh people are happy to be a part of the United Kingdom.
When the actual fascists came a knocking Welsh and Irish nationalists showed their true colours, either openly siding with the fascists or maintaining ambivalence in the main, so blinded by hate of the United Kingdom.
The same hate that drives you and Tramp.
Why do you even live here if you hate the UK so much?
You can live in Ireland, inside your precious EU.
I grew up around soldiers who had served in N. Ireland. They were Welsh, English and Irish...more Irish in their ranks than you would think. More Irish Catholics in their ranks than you would think (often the sons of Irish Catholics who had emigrated to the UK.
All thoroughly decent people.
They weren't engaged in a war! In a war they would have crushed the republicans, absolutely decimated them.
It was their lot to act as a security force to combat people blinded by hate from blowing up civilians...they got no thanks for putting their lives on the line, for doing their duty, but they did win in the end...which is why the pitiful Republicans had to come to the table and pretend they were decent people. That's why you have your peace.
Answer this, if Brexit is bound to speed up the UK breaking apart, if the demographics mean that you Republicans are on the 'right side of history' why is it that Brexit makes you so, so, angry?
I put it to you that deep down in your soul you realise that once the UK leaves the EU and the Irish in N. Ireland are forced to choose. They will choose to be British. |
If was not a war, then the soldiers who shot and killed UK civilians will need to face judge and jury. Just like anyone else.
I wanted the UK in the EU because trade gives people better life opportunities. Simples.
Maybe rich people like Johnson, Mogg and Farage do not need to worry so much.
And then there are the racists and the terminally thick.
Once the inevitable disaster of Brexit kicks in next January then the north of Ireland will vote for a united Ireland by at least 15% majority - probably more.
If the whole of Ireland voted it would be an even bigger majority.
The UK might not be as great as the BBC leads you to believe.
Insular nations who break international law rarely do well. [Post edited 4 Oct 2020 14:50]
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 14:47 - Oct 4 with 781 views | trampie |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 14:24 - Oct 4 by onehunglow |
Tramp me ol mucker,you need to consider relocating to Cork,Galway or Connemara .It must be murder for you to live in Great Britain and all that it entails. |
You must be joking me and my family are Britannia born and bred, you know the Irish stole St Patrick from The Banwen when we went for a dip down the Gower, well their not catching me. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 15:06 - Oct 4 with 757 views | Nortbankboy |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 14:47 - Oct 4 by trampie |
You must be joking me and my family are Britannia born and bred, you know the Irish stole St Patrick from The Banwen when we went for a dip down the Gower, well their not catching me. |
We are living in the best country.
Let's all move on its all history now.
Let's all love they neighbour and live in peace.
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 15:17 - Oct 4 with 746 views | trampie |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 15:06 - Oct 4 by Nortbankboy |
We are living in the best country.
Let's all move on its all history now.
Let's all love they neighbour and live in peace.
Give peace a chance |
Wales is indeed the best country in the World it's great here.
Yes let's all live in peace and love they neighbour, some ladies from Sweden and Venezuela look fabulous. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 16:00 - Oct 4 with 730 views | Boundy |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 14:42 - Oct 4 by trampie |
Purely Welsh ?, based in Wales. [Post edited 4 Oct 2020 14:51]
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Purely like in Aryan sense , no such thing in anything or no one thing or it is pure whatever, if you mean Welsh in its historical and current status then yes its Welsh and extremely proud of it .The regimental headquarters in Hightown Barracks Wrecsam its Regimental museum in Caernafon Castle last time I checked that was in Wales , its recruiting base is in Wales , celebrates St Davids day every year without fail where ever and under what ever circumstances. Sorry if this may disappoint you but some of my fellow ex Welchmen were( dare I type this) English , great friends who I would and did trust with my life , never once thinking "you English oppressor " | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 16:30 - Oct 4 with 714 views | onehunglow |
We are all mongrels Tramps.Honest.No such thing as pure Welsh blood. I can go back 3 generations of Welsh then the Irish gene kicks in | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 16:35 - Oct 4 with 711 views | trampie |
English soldiers wanting to be in a Welsh regiment is it, I don't blame them. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 16:41 - Oct 4 with 704 views | trampie |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 16:30 - Oct 4 by onehunglow |
We are all mongrels Tramps.Honest.No such thing as pure Welsh blood. I can go back 3 generations of Welsh then the Irish gene kicks in |
Half the World seems to have Irish genes. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:32 - Oct 4 with 691 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 15:17 - Oct 4 by trampie |
Wales is indeed the best country in the World it's great here.
Yes let's all live in peace and love they neighbour, some ladies from Sweden and Venezuela look fabulous. |
Spot on Trampie | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:36 - Oct 4 with 688 views | Kilkennyjack |
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Half the World seems to have Irish genes. |
Its a blessing Tramps
Even Che was Part Irish ... 🇦🇷 ðŸ€
‘Although Guevara's legal name on his birth certificate was "Ernesto Guevara", his name sometimes appears with "de la Serna" and/or "Lynch" accompanying it.[22] Referring to Che's "restless" nature, his father declared "the first thing to note is that in my son's veins flowed the blood of the Irish rebels".’ | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 19:02 - Oct 4 with 667 views | Groo |
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Its a blessing Tramps
Even Che was Part Irish ... 🇦🇷 ðŸ€
‘Although Guevara's legal name on his birth certificate was "Ernesto Guevara", his name sometimes appears with "de la Serna" and/or "Lynch" accompanying it.[22] Referring to Che's "restless" nature, his father declared "the first thing to note is that in my son's veins flowed the blood of the Irish rebels".’ |
His ancestors have links to the Falklands too.
Patrick Lynch owned a ship the frigate HeroÃna, for which he obtained a letter of marque to attack Spanish ships from the United Provinces (an early name for what is now Argentina).
He employed a guy Daniel Jewitt, an American, to Captain the ship. Jewitt famously claimed the Falklands on behalf of the United Provinces in 1820 when his ship limped into the Islands. |  |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 10:14 - Oct 5 with 611 views | felixstowe_jack |
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If was not a war, then the soldiers who shot and killed UK civilians will need to face judge and jury. Just like anyone else.
I wanted the UK in the EU because trade gives people better life opportunities. Simples.
Maybe rich people like Johnson, Mogg and Farage do not need to worry so much.
And then there are the racists and the terminally thick.
Once the inevitable disaster of Brexit kicks in next January then the north of Ireland will vote for a united Ireland by at least 15% majority - probably more.
If the whole of Ireland voted it would be an even bigger majority.
The UK might not be as great as the BBC leads you to believe.
Insular nations who break international law rarely do well. [Post edited 4 Oct 2020 14:50]
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Why aren't the Irish terrorists facing a jury for killing innocent British citizens. Why are convicted terrorists and murderers of children and civilians pardoned or granted amnesty?
It the interest of justice why don't the IRA and sinn fien hand over the killers to face justice? | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 10:50 - Oct 5 with 593 views | Kilkennyjack |
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Why aren't the Irish terrorists facing a jury for killing innocent British citizens. Why are convicted terrorists and murderers of children and civilians pardoned or granted amnesty?
It the interest of justice why don't the IRA and sinn fien hand over the killers to face justice? |
Not sure why you are asking me this ?
Yes the law should be applied to everyone.
Look up Internment.
Almost 2,000 people were interned up until its ending in December 1975. it is estimated that just over 100 were loyalists, with the first loyalists interned early in 1973.
Fourteen of those arrested, the so-called Hooded Men, were subjected to what was euphemistically named “interrogation in depth”.
This involved the so-called five techniques: wall-standing, hooding, subjection to white noise, sleep deprivation and deprivation of food and drink. It was further alleged that some of the men were made to believe they were being ejected from helicopters from hundreds of feet in the air when in fact they were thrown to the ground from a relatively short distance.
The Irish Government took a case to Europe on behalf of the 14 men. The European Court on Human Rights found the five interrogation methods amounted to torture. That judgment was appealed by the British government to the European Court of Human Rights which slightly moderated the judgment to say the men were subjected to “inhuman and degrading treatment. | |
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Not sure why you are asking me this ?
Yes the law should be applied to everyone.
Look up Internment.
Almost 2,000 people were interned up until its ending in December 1975. it is estimated that just over 100 were loyalists, with the first loyalists interned early in 1973.
Fourteen of those arrested, the so-called Hooded Men, were subjected to what was euphemistically named “interrogation in depth”.
This involved the so-called five techniques: wall-standing, hooding, subjection to white noise, sleep deprivation and deprivation of food and drink. It was further alleged that some of the men were made to believe they were being ejected from helicopters from hundreds of feet in the air when in fact they were thrown to the ground from a relatively short distance.
The Irish Government took a case to Europe on behalf of the 14 men. The European Court on Human Rights found the five interrogation methods amounted to torture. That judgment was appealed by the British government to the European Court of Human Rights which slightly moderated the judgment to say the men were subjected to “inhuman and degrading treatment. |
Not as if the IRA never tortured anyone is it? Knee capping to name but one method. I Think you need to get your own house in order before you dare criticise anyone else. You support terrorism. I support democracy and law and order.
I think we just have different morals. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 14:37 - Oct 5 with 565 views | onehunglow |
IRA were supported by Sein Fein.
Decision was made to send the dispute on to the mainland and to frighten and intimidate British on the mainland.
Most outrages resulted in them getting away with murder ,literally.
IRA intimidated their own fellow Irishmen for decade and for them it WAS war. | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:00 - Oct 5 with 549 views | Boundy |
| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 10:50 - Oct 5 by Kilkennyjack |
Not sure why you are asking me this ?
Yes the law should be applied to everyone.
Look up Internment.
Almost 2,000 people were interned up until its ending in December 1975. it is estimated that just over 100 were loyalists, with the first loyalists interned early in 1973.
Fourteen of those arrested, the so-called Hooded Men, were subjected to what was euphemistically named “interrogation in depth”.
This involved the so-called five techniques: wall-standing, hooding, subjection to white noise, sleep deprivation and deprivation of food and drink. It was further alleged that some of the men were made to believe they were being ejected from helicopters from hundreds of feet in the air when in fact they were thrown to the ground from a relatively short distance.
The Irish Government took a case to Europe on behalf of the 14 men. The European Court on Human Rights found the five interrogation methods amounted to torture. That judgment was appealed by the British government to the European Court of Human Rights which slightly moderated the judgment to say the men were subjected to “inhuman and degrading treatment. |
So justice was followed and the Government rightly bought to book ,but just for a sense of balance and back ground as to the type of psychopaths that the security services were dealing with I've added below a very small examples of the type of people that they considered enemies to the "cause"
On 07.04.81, the IRA decided on retribution this on a 29 year old unarmed Protestant mother, Joanne Mathers, who was supplementing her family’s income by collecting census forms.
As she was chatting to a householder in Anderson Crescent, Gobnascale, in the Waterside area, a masked IRA gunman ran up to her, grabbed at her census forms and shot her through the neck. Wounded, she ran into the hallway of the house and the householder slammed the door shut to try to defend her.
The IRA gunman smashed through the glass door, grabbed at more census forms and ran off brandishing his weapon to deter people from approaching him.
Joanne died from her wound. Initially, the IRA and INLA denied her murder, but the IRA was forced to admit it shortly afterwards
On 04.02.79, the IRA murdered Catholic civilian and retired prison officer, Patrick Mackin, as he sat in his chair at home in Ardoyne; to increase the shock and terror factor to prison officers, they also murdered his Protestant wife, Violet, as she sat in her chair.
On 21.01.81, an eight-man IRA gang murdered former leading Ulster Unionist MP and member of the RUC Reserve, James Stronge of Tynan Abbey allegedly in response to various loyalist attacks on nationalists. For good measure, they also murdered his 86 year old father, Sir Norman, former Speaker of the Stormont parliament who had fought at the Somme and had been awarded the Military Cross and the Belgian Croix de Guerre for bravery | |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 17:49 - Oct 5 with 533 views | theloneranger |
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So justice was followed and the Government rightly bought to book ,but just for a sense of balance and back ground as to the type of psychopaths that the security services were dealing with I've added below a very small examples of the type of people that they considered enemies to the "cause"
On 07.04.81, the IRA decided on retribution this on a 29 year old unarmed Protestant mother, Joanne Mathers, who was supplementing her family’s income by collecting census forms.
As she was chatting to a householder in Anderson Crescent, Gobnascale, in the Waterside area, a masked IRA gunman ran up to her, grabbed at her census forms and shot her through the neck. Wounded, she ran into the hallway of the house and the householder slammed the door shut to try to defend her.
The IRA gunman smashed through the glass door, grabbed at more census forms and ran off brandishing his weapon to deter people from approaching him.
Joanne died from her wound. Initially, the IRA and INLA denied her murder, but the IRA was forced to admit it shortly afterwards
On 04.02.79, the IRA murdered Catholic civilian and retired prison officer, Patrick Mackin, as he sat in his chair at home in Ardoyne; to increase the shock and terror factor to prison officers, they also murdered his Protestant wife, Violet, as she sat in her chair.
On 21.01.81, an eight-man IRA gang murdered former leading Ulster Unionist MP and member of the RUC Reserve, James Stronge of Tynan Abbey allegedly in response to various loyalist attacks on nationalists. For good measure, they also murdered his 86 year old father, Sir Norman, former Speaker of the Stormont parliament who had fought at the Somme and had been awarded the Military Cross and the Belgian Croix de Guerre for bravery |
An excellent, but sad read ...
"In December 1972, Jean McConville, a thirty-eight-year-old mother of ten, was dragged from her Belfast home by masked intruders, her children clinging to her legs. They never saw her again."
"Her abduction was one of the most notorious episodes of the vicious conflict known as The Troubles. Everyone in the neighborhood knew the I.R.A. was responsible. But in a climate of fear and paranoia, no one would speak of it."
"In 2003, five years after an accord brought an uneasy peace to Northern Ireland, a set of human bones was discovered on a beach. McConville’s children knew it was their mother when they were told a blue safety pin was attached to the dress—with so many kids, she had always kept it handy for diapers or ripped clothes." |  |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 18:18 - Oct 5 with 525 views | Boundy |
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An excellent, but sad read ...
"In December 1972, Jean McConville, a thirty-eight-year-old mother of ten, was dragged from her Belfast home by masked intruders, her children clinging to her legs. They never saw her again."
"Her abduction was one of the most notorious episodes of the vicious conflict known as The Troubles. Everyone in the neighborhood knew the I.R.A. was responsible. But in a climate of fear and paranoia, no one would speak of it."
"In 2003, five years after an accord brought an uneasy peace to Northern Ireland, a set of human bones was discovered on a beach. McConville’s children knew it was their mother when they were told a blue safety pin was attached to the dress—with so many kids, she had always kept it handy for diapers or ripped clothes." |
The title of the book is from an old Irish phrase and yes an excellent read but its not really impartial with the author imo erring towards the republican side.
The IRAs justification for such a barbaric act ( just one of too many ) is that they believed to be the legal representatives of the Irish people, as taken from their Green Book "are morally justified in carrying out a campaign of resistance against foreign occupation forces and domestic collaborators. All volunteers are and must feel morally justified in carrying out the dictates of the legal government; they as the Army are the legal and lawful Army of the Irish Republic which has been forced underground by overwhelming forces "
They ruled by fear and not always by consent and I include unionist paramilitary organisations in that statement | |
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The title of the book is from an old Irish phrase and yes an excellent read but its not really impartial with the author imo erring towards the republican side.
The IRAs justification for such a barbaric act ( just one of too many ) is that they believed to be the legal representatives of the Irish people, as taken from their Green Book "are morally justified in carrying out a campaign of resistance against foreign occupation forces and domestic collaborators. All volunteers are and must feel morally justified in carrying out the dictates of the legal government; they as the Army are the legal and lawful Army of the Irish Republic which has been forced underground by overwhelming forces "
They ruled by fear and not always by consent and I include unionist paramilitary organisations in that statement |
Welcome back, its been a few years I'm told. |  |
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 19:24 - Oct 5 with 493 views | Boundy |
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Welcome back, its been a few years I'm told. |
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So justice was followed and the Government rightly bought to book ,but just for a sense of balance and back ground as to the type of psychopaths that the security services were dealing with I've added below a very small examples of the type of people that they considered enemies to the "cause"
On 07.04.81, the IRA decided on retribution this on a 29 year old unarmed Protestant mother, Joanne Mathers, who was supplementing her family’s income by collecting census forms.
As she was chatting to a householder in Anderson Crescent, Gobnascale, in the Waterside area, a masked IRA gunman ran up to her, grabbed at her census forms and shot her through the neck. Wounded, she ran into the hallway of the house and the householder slammed the door shut to try to defend her.
The IRA gunman smashed through the glass door, grabbed at more census forms and ran off brandishing his weapon to deter people from approaching him.
Joanne died from her wound. Initially, the IRA and INLA denied her murder, but the IRA was forced to admit it shortly afterwards
On 04.02.79, the IRA murdered Catholic civilian and retired prison officer, Patrick Mackin, as he sat in his chair at home in Ardoyne; to increase the shock and terror factor to prison officers, they also murdered his Protestant wife, Violet, as she sat in her chair.
On 21.01.81, an eight-man IRA gang murdered former leading Ulster Unionist MP and member of the RUC Reserve, James Stronge of Tynan Abbey allegedly in response to various loyalist attacks on nationalists. For good measure, they also murdered his 86 year old father, Sir Norman, former Speaker of the Stormont parliament who had fought at the Somme and had been awarded the Military Cross and the Belgian Croix de Guerre for bravery |
Tbh we could do without another grandad idiot still living in the 1970s.
Do you still think Jimmy Savile and Lord Tonypandy were great guys ?
Every example you give was some 40 years ago ffs.
We have had 20 years of peace.
Do you join me in celebrating the peace in the north of Ireland over the last 20 years...?
Its a marvellous achievement.
When thousands of the occupying British Crown Forces were sent home then we had peace.
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| Decision upheld not to prosecute soldiers in NI on 08:16 - Oct 6 with 435 views | felixstowe_jack |
The British army have every right to be in any part of the UK. NI is part of the UK and remains part of the UK as they have exercised their democratic right to be part of the UK.
Do you not believe in democracy? | |
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Tbh we could do without another grandad idiot still living in the 1970s.
Do you still think Jimmy Savile and Lord Tonypandy were great guys ?
Every example you give was some 40 years ago ffs.
We have had 20 years of peace.
Do you join me in celebrating the peace in the north of Ireland over the last 20 years...?
Its a marvellous achievement.
When thousands of the occupying British Crown Forces were sent home then we had peace.
Might be a lesson there for us all. |
Sorry to disappoint but your description of me is 50% incorrect, grandad yes, idiot well I'll let my peers decide (that doesn't include you by the way , you're not that important )
I certainly celebrate the fact that the mass murders have stopped and that an imperfect peace currently exists but the threat from both sides is still simmering beneath the surface.
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