| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard 08:51 - Oct 25 with 4441 views | trampie |
I remember posting on an old rugby site a dozen years or so ago and on the political section 7 or 8 regulars used to challenge me on what they thought were far left views, I regarded my views as centre, centre left and their views as Tory right wing, then coinciding with an election there was an online questionnaire that would tell you what parties in 1,2,3 order best suited your views, I was impressed because I came out as I expected, at the time I think it was Plaid 1, Greens 2 and SDLP 3
So I told the others to have a go and they were all either Labour, Labour but considering voting Lib-Dem being life long Labour or no political allegiance and just like I thought in every single case they came out as a mix of Conservatives, UKIP and Ulster unionists, they were Tories who thought they were Labour and I see that today on sites like this but now they are more likely to realise and admit they are Tories.
Socialist policies in years gone by leading to people going to universities and living longer combined with having mortgages has resulted in people becoming more Tory, there doesn't seem to be an end in sight if the UK remains as it is, but if it breaks up then Scotland and Wales might well get away from perpetual Tory rule. [Post edited 25 Oct 2020 9:53]
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:37 - Oct 28 with 900 views | controversial_jack |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:23 - Oct 28 by raynor94 |
No it didn't, the effect of the embargo was over by the end of 1975 |
It had knock on effects , and that as well as the Iranian revolution in 79, kept prices and inflation high. It was a very turbulent time, with recessions and all kinds of happenings. Thatcher raised interest rates to combat it, 17%, i believe
The main point that has been missed, is Maggie blamed on on excess spending on the welfare state, when it had nothing to do with it at all |  | | |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:47 - Oct 28 with 897 views | onehunglow |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:37 - Oct 28 by controversial_jack |
It had knock on effects , and that as well as the Iranian revolution in 79, kept prices and inflation high. It was a very turbulent time, with recessions and all kinds of happenings. Thatcher raised interest rates to combat it, 17%, i believe
The main point that has been missed, is Maggie blamed on on excess spending on the welfare state, when it had nothing to do with it at all |
Not all the ills of this country can be laid at the hands of the Tories.That's the point I'm making. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:50 - Oct 28 with 892 views | controversial_jack |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:47 - Oct 28 by onehunglow |
Not all the ills of this country can be laid at the hands of the Tories.That's the point I'm making. |
Maggie was a Tory in name only, She was a neo con, just like Blair wasn't a true socialist | | | |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 11:00 - Oct 28 with 883 views | onehunglow |
Maggie was idolised by much of Britain. She was seen,like it or now,as a leader ,the like of which Johnson could never be. People,outside the labour heartlands ,were sick of strikes ,sick of the scum like Hatton,Red Robbo etc destroying our industry for political points and ,in hatton' case,personal gain.
If you were /are Labour,you hated her as with her in power you would never br in government. She won 3 elections to prove my point.
And no,I did not particularly like her. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 11:01 - Oct 28 with 883 views | Catullus |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 10:50 - Oct 28 by controversial_jack |
Maggie was a Tory in name only, She was a neo con, just like Blair wasn't a true socialist |
Milton Friedman called her a "19th Century Liberal" and she believed in keeping government spending down. Even so she had argued against cuts to education when she was education minister.
Blair stuck by many of her principles, she was hardly a true Tory, he wasn't true Labour. Honestly, I prefer Thatcher to Blair because to me she was the more honest, more being the operative word because politicians are rarely very honest. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 11:05 - Oct 28 with 879 views | onehunglow |
Cat.Morn.
Ive just finished a very thick book on the Blairs.
I remember his nauseating celebrations for his first election with the excreable Cherie,about the greatest hypocrite you could imagine. A clever ,grabbing,nasty bitch.
He conned good people
He sent many to the their deaths
He destroyed much of the middle east
He made serious serious money of it .
A Labour prime minister | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 11:14 - Oct 28 with 875 views | Catullus |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 11:05 - Oct 28 by onehunglow |
Cat.Morn.
Ive just finished a very thick book on the Blairs.
I remember his nauseating celebrations for his first election with the excreable Cherie,about the greatest hypocrite you could imagine. A clever ,grabbing,nasty bitch.
He conned good people
He sent many to the their deaths
He destroyed much of the middle east
He made serious serious money of it .
A Labour prime minister |
Morning Richie,
If Blair was Labour I'm Obi Wan Kenobi and Donald Trump is Chewbacca! The man should be in prison in my eyes. He changed human rights laws and one of the benefactors was his wifes chambers.
So many politicians are crooked they have to cover each others backs or Westminster would be empty and there'd be no rom in any prisons.
Obviously that is purely my opinion. Other opinions are available will differ! | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 11:20 - Oct 28 with 870 views | onehunglow |
But he was ,Cat. Cherie was and notwithstanding her upbringing she was /is an paradigm of avarice . A judge . I'll leave it there on her,although she made good money on human rights as most lawyers do.
If Blair wasn't then Corbyn was?
You see my point. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 14:58 - Oct 28 with 849 views | Catullus |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 11:20 - Oct 28 by onehunglow |
But he was ,Cat. Cherie was and notwithstanding her upbringing she was /is an paradigm of avarice . A judge . I'll leave it there on her,although she made good money on human rights as most lawyers do.
If Blair wasn't then Corbyn was?
You see my point. |
He stood under a Labour banner yes but that's where it ends. The pair of them were in it for the money. That he still thinks he's relevant in UK politics is a joke and he was a peace envoy too....HOW? | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 16:18 - Oct 28 with 829 views | Lohengrin |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 16:01 - Oct 25 by trampie |
Didn't ECB used to say that me and you politically were very alike ? |
He did, because I had voiced support for Marine Le Pen and you had agreed, but do you recall the context?
Let me take you back a few years to May 2017, the night after the French Presidential elections and two contrasting events occurring at the same time. In Paris Macron was holding a victory celebration, a gathering of the Davos class, where the top CEOs of the Bourse, their bankster collaborators and tame MSM news editors sat at the trough. An assembly of the guilty, of those who had rigged a system to benefit themselves and line their own pockets at the expense of working folk. On hand providing decoration as always were the painted, vapid sluts of the show business world.
Meanwhile, two hundred or so miles away to the north east in the main square of the town of Florange Marine Le Pen stood on a portable platform in the rain addressing thousands of steelworkers. She was attempting to assure them that despite losing the election their cause was hers, she had not forgotten them.
To borrow a staple concept of the Marxian dialectic, that of ‘heightening the contradiction,’ in terms of optics it could hardly have been starker. |  |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 17:05 - Oct 28 with 811 views | onehunglow |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 14:58 - Oct 28 by Catullus |
He stood under a Labour banner yes but that's where it ends. The pair of them were in it for the money. That he still thinks he's relevant in UK politics is a joke and he was a peace envoy too....HOW? |
But that applies to many former and present Labour politicians a it does Tories.
I'm not bothered personally of the wealth of any politician so long as he/she can lead us forward.
We see no sign of that.
Even a cursory glance at this and other sites show that class war is at the very core of our problems.
When terms like working class/ordinary people are consigned to the bin then we can but hope. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 17:18 - Oct 28 with 807 views | trampie |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 16:18 - Oct 28 by Lohengrin |
He did, because I had voiced support for Marine Le Pen and you had agreed, but do you recall the context?
Let me take you back a few years to May 2017, the night after the French Presidential elections and two contrasting events occurring at the same time. In Paris Macron was holding a victory celebration, a gathering of the Davos class, where the top CEOs of the Bourse, their bankster collaborators and tame MSM news editors sat at the trough. An assembly of the guilty, of those who had rigged a system to benefit themselves and line their own pockets at the expense of working folk. On hand providing decoration as always were the painted, vapid sluts of the show business world.
Meanwhile, two hundred or so miles away to the north east in the main square of the town of Florange Marine Le Pen stood on a portable platform in the rain addressing thousands of steelworkers. She was attempting to assure them that despite losing the election their cause was hers, she had not forgotten them.
To borrow a staple concept of the Marxian dialectic, that of ‘heightening the contradiction,’ in terms of optics it could hardly have been starker. |
Yes nice post Lohengrin, I remember that happening. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 17:28 - Oct 28 with 795 views | trampie |
My old history teacher said that right and left are the tips of a horse shoe, they are quite close together with centre right and centre left been furthest apart, perhaps ECB and the political compass site are onto something and you and me Lohengrin are politically close together yet by some measurements we would seem miles apart, interesting. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 17:34 - Oct 28 with 779 views | onehunglow |
Your history teacher was talking horlicks.
Nobody can define what exactly is right or left,certainly what is right or wrong. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 18:06 - Oct 28 with 773 views | Professor |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 17:28 - Oct 28 by trampie |
My old history teacher said that right and left are the tips of a horse shoe, they are quite close together with centre right and centre left been furthest apart, perhaps ECB and the political compass site are onto something and you and me Lohengrin are politically close together yet by some measurements we would seem miles apart, interesting. |
I have heard that said by several people who have studied history or politics. Interesting discussion both.
As different as we all are, there are often areas of agreement-both Loh and I despair how our industrial base was eroded. When I look at the English Electric Lightning I am sad we now give that name to the F35. We have not put people first for too long, whether red or blue. | | | |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 18:37 - Oct 28 with 759 views | trampie |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 18:06 - Oct 28 by Professor |
I have heard that said by several people who have studied history or politics. Interesting discussion both.
As different as we all are, there are often areas of agreement-both Loh and I despair how our industrial base was eroded. When I look at the English Electric Lightning I am sad we now give that name to the F35. We have not put people first for too long, whether red or blue. |
Seems like Perch isn't buying it Prof, yes I agree we have not put people first for a very long time. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 18:43 - Oct 28 with 754 views | onehunglow |
Perch isnt here to take anything . | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 21:27 - Oct 28 with 729 views | Catullus |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 17:05 - Oct 28 by onehunglow |
But that applies to many former and present Labour politicians a it does Tories.
I'm not bothered personally of the wealth of any politician so long as he/she can lead us forward.
We see no sign of that.
Even a cursory glance at this and other sites show that class war is at the very core of our problems.
When terms like working class/ordinary people are consigned to the bin then we can but hope. |
Any elected politician who use their position to enrich themselves and their friends should end up in prison. Too many of them treat it like a lottery win.
Mandelsohn allegedly got away with mortgage fraud, is that beter or worse than Cummings little sojourn? | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 05:54 - Oct 29 with 699 views | Highjack |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 21:27 - Oct 28 by Catullus |
Any elected politician who use their position to enrich themselves and their friends should end up in prison. Too many of them treat it like a lottery win.
Mandelsohn allegedly got away with mortgage fraud, is that beter or worse than Cummings little sojourn? |
Peter bloody Mandelson. How many times did he have to resign for some sort of scandal only to re-emerge a short time later in another more lucrative role? |  |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 09:19 - Oct 29 with 683 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 05:54 - Oct 29 by Highjack |
Peter bloody Mandelson. How many times did he have to resign for some sort of scandal only to re-emerge a short time later in another more lucrative role? |
He was reward with commissioners post with the EU. The one place where voters could not get rid of him. He now has a hefty pension from the EU for doing very little. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 11:22 - Oct 29 with 661 views | onehunglow |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 21:27 - Oct 28 by Catullus |
Any elected politician who use their position to enrich themselves and their friends should end up in prison. Too many of them treat it like a lottery win.
Mandelsohn allegedly got away with mortgage fraud, is that beter or worse than Cummings little sojourn? |
And another London based Labour MP -of colour- in Court over expenses fraud. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 11:30 - Oct 29 with 659 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 05:54 - Oct 29 by Highjack |
Peter bloody Mandelson. How many times did he have to resign for some sort of scandal only to re-emerge a short time later in another more lucrative role? |
How about those lovely Kinnocks while you are at it? | | | |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 11:36 - Oct 29 with 657 views | onehunglow |
Done well the Kinnocks.There s a guy breast fed on Bevan and a welsh speaking England born girl who prefers not to be called Lady Kinnock. Ultimate hypocrites. | |
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| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 21:47 - Oct 29 with 643 views | Catullus |
| Right wingers coming out of the cupboard on 11:36 - Oct 29 by onehunglow |
Done well the Kinnocks.There s a guy breast fed on Bevan and a welsh speaking England born girl who prefers not to be called Lady Kinnock. Ultimate hypocrites. |
Kinnockio, wasn't he all for abolishing the House of Lords and anti EU too. Now he's a lord with a fat EU pension, they don't come much more odious and hypocritical.
read this,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
I reckon I can desvribe it better, he was offered a job with a massive salary and gold plated pension that meant he could also employ family without having his expenses checked. Between them the Kinnocka made about 10 million from the EU and their combined pension is about 183k per year. | |
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