| Another Brexit benefit .... 21:01 - Dec 11 with 11954 views | Kilkennyjack |
.... falling out with France over fish .. seems legit ....
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 10:54 - Dec 13 with 1598 views | Gwyn737 |
It worries me that the argument over fish is such a distraction from so many more important things.
It’s front page news but for context, the Games Workshop contributes 3 x more to the economy than the entire fishing industry. |  | | |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 11:47 - Dec 13 with 1569 views | Catullus |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 10:54 - Dec 13 by Gwyn737 |
It worries me that the argument over fish is such a distraction from so many more important things.
It’s front page news but for context, the Games Workshop contributes 3 x more to the economy than the entire fishing industry. |
I can agree with you there. It's not just fishing though, it's the ratchet clause, from what was said on Andrew Marr this morning.
Ed Milliband, what a donkey. First he says anything but a deal isn't acceptable then he says we need to negotiate a tough but fair deal on fishing. Which is it, a deal no matter what or a tough but fair deal?
Lets face it, how can it be tough and fair? Myself, I'm all for a fair deal. We can give EU boats a fishing quota but the allowances need to be reduced vastly to help stocks replenish, If we carry on at current rates the fish will be gone. | |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 16:27 - Dec 13 with 1528 views | Nortbankboy |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 10:54 - Dec 13 by Gwyn737 |
It worries me that the argument over fish is such a distraction from so many more important things.
It’s front page news but for context, the Games Workshop contributes 3 x more to the economy than the entire fishing industry. |
The fishing rights are worth very little.
But it's a chance for Boris to play the sovereignty card.
And to threaten with gun boats which the rabid right in this country happy.
What happens next year is down to brexit and the tories,they have been
Power for 15yrs.
The state of this country is on their watch | | | |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 17:50 - Dec 13 with 1502 views | majorraglan |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 16:27 - Dec 13 by Nortbankboy |
The fishing rights are worth very little.
But it's a chance for Boris to play the sovereignty card.
And to threaten with gun boats which the rabid right in this country happy.
What happens next year is down to brexit and the tories,they have been
Power for 15yrs.
The state of this country is on their watch |
There’s an interesting article in the Independent about Brexit, the comments re about the Chancellor would may be correct as there an article in the DM which makes an adverse comment re his views on No Deal.
Fishing employs about 25,000 people, the motor manufacturing and wider component supply business allegedly employs about 1m people, that’s potentially a lot of jobs going if large tariffs are slapped on their exports.
https://www.independent.co.uk/
If Boris is right, he can bask in the glory, if he’s wrong then he and the others who have driven this have to own it. | | | |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 19:47 - Dec 13 with 1479 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 10:19 - Dec 13 by felixstowe_jack |
The EU had to bring in quotas as the french and Spanish fishermen had taken all the fish in the EU waters. Plenty of fish left in UK waters. Despite our generous offer to let the French fish in our waters, with a reduced quota of course, macron turned it down. Now the French fishermen have none. |
So imagine if the French fishermen do have nothing.
Then the French government will need to look for leverage on UK.
And their French port of Calais gives them major league leverage on Uk.....
If you are going to play silly b@stards, then you need somebody far brighter than that dumbo Johnson in charge.
The UK is screwed. | |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 20:06 - Dec 13 with 1467 views | Catullus |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 19:47 - Dec 13 by Kilkennyjack |
So imagine if the French fishermen do have nothing.
Then the French government will need to look for leverage on UK.
And their French port of Calais gives them major league leverage on Uk.....
If you are going to play silly b@stards, then you need somebody far brighter than that dumbo Johnson in charge.
The UK is screwed. |
Well that'd screw over the Irish too.
It'd be a nuisance but there are large ports in Holland, Groningen, Rotterdam, Zeeland and Amsterdam.
There again, how would the EU commission feel about it? It depends I guess on whether there is actually a deal.
There again, I don't suppose French fishing is very much larger than UK fishing and some on here think it's not big enough to ruin a deal over, would Macron really do anything or is it just posturing? | |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 11:32 - Dec 14 with 1416 views | Highjack |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 10:54 - Dec 13 by Gwyn737 |
It worries me that the argument over fish is such a distraction from so many more important things.
It’s front page news but for context, the Games Workshop contributes 3 x more to the economy than the entire fishing industry. |
Oh jeez we’ve been through this before. The fishing industry might only be a tiny part of the overall economy but it’s everything to a lot of coastal communities in a similar way that steel is important to Port Talbot even though it’s a tiny part of the U.K. economy. |  |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 17:04 - Dec 14 with 1392 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 11:32 - Dec 14 by Highjack |
Oh jeez we’ve been through this before. The fishing industry might only be a tiny part of the overall economy but it’s everything to a lot of coastal communities in a similar way that steel is important to Port Talbot even though it’s a tiny part of the U.K. economy. |
No.
The reason Johnson is using fish is that it plays to the simpletons amongst us.
Brave Boris fights for fish.
Johnson himself of course things its pretty funny. He is taking the pish.
He knows nothing of the uk fishing industry.
Hr cares even less.
If it has any real value its as a trade off against state support and other more serious matters under consuderation.
Fish is a dead cat. | |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 18:21 - Dec 14 with 1381 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 17:04 - Dec 14 by Kilkennyjack |
No.
The reason Johnson is using fish is that it plays to the simpletons amongst us.
Brave Boris fights for fish.
Johnson himself of course things its pretty funny. He is taking the pish.
He knows nothing of the uk fishing industry.
Hr cares even less.
If it has any real value its as a trade off against state support and other more serious matters under consuderation.
Fish is a dead cat. |
Macron has an election. He can't be seen to make a reasonable deal over fish otherwise he will loose the election.
It does not help that barnier is French as well and under orders from Macron not to give the UK a fair deal.
They are both graduates of the ecole nationale d'administration.
This is a french college for the elite which has a far narrow intake than any British public school and oxbridge. | |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 18:27 - Dec 14 with 1378 views | Catullus |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 17:04 - Dec 14 by Kilkennyjack |
No.
The reason Johnson is using fish is that it plays to the simpletons amongst us.
Brave Boris fights for fish.
Johnson himself of course things its pretty funny. He is taking the pish.
He knows nothing of the uk fishing industry.
Hr cares even less.
If it has any real value its as a trade off against state support and other more serious matters under consuderation.
Fish is a dead cat. |
So those who support the fishing industry are simpletons now? Does that mean Macron and the EU negotiators are appealing to the simpletons in the EU too?
I reckon Bojo knows more about the fishing industry than any of us do, he'll have had an expert briefing him.
Saying all that, it looks like Macron has backed down anyway. | |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 19:35 - Dec 14 with 1371 views | Highjack |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 17:04 - Dec 14 by Kilkennyjack |
No.
The reason Johnson is using fish is that it plays to the simpletons amongst us.
Brave Boris fights for fish.
Johnson himself of course things its pretty funny. He is taking the pish.
He knows nothing of the uk fishing industry.
Hr cares even less.
If it has any real value its as a trade off against state support and other more serious matters under consuderation.
Fish is a dead cat. |
As a group of island nations we are intrinsically culturally and historically married to the sea. None of our coastal communities would be there without it. You’re talking thousands of years of people depending on it. It’s more than a commodity to be bought and sold, it’s an ancient way of life.
Methinks I see a host of craft spreading their sails a-lee
As down the Humber they do glide all bound for the Northern Sea.
Methinks I see on each small craft a crew with hearts so brave
Going out to earn their daily bread upon the restless wave.
And it's three score and ten boys and men were lost from Grimsby town.
From Yarmouth down to Scarborough many hundreds more were drowned.
Our herring craft, our trawlers, our fishing smacks as well,
They long to fight the bitter night and battle with the swell.
Methinks I see them yet again as they leave the shores behind
And cast their nets into the waves , those herring shoals to find.
Methinks I see them yet again and all on board's all right,
With their sails close reefed and the decks cleared up and the sidelights burning bright.
Well October's night t'was such a sight, t'was never seen before:
As masts and yards and broken spars came floating to the shore.
There was many a heart of sorrow, there was many a heart so brave.
There was many a hearty fisher lad who found their watery grave. | |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 20:42 - Dec 14 with 1368 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 19:35 - Dec 14 by Highjack |
As a group of island nations we are intrinsically culturally and historically married to the sea. None of our coastal communities would be there without it. You’re talking thousands of years of people depending on it. It’s more than a commodity to be bought and sold, it’s an ancient way of life.
Methinks I see a host of craft spreading their sails a-lee
As down the Humber they do glide all bound for the Northern Sea.
Methinks I see on each small craft a crew with hearts so brave
Going out to earn their daily bread upon the restless wave.
And it's three score and ten boys and men were lost from Grimsby town.
From Yarmouth down to Scarborough many hundreds more were drowned.
Our herring craft, our trawlers, our fishing smacks as well,
They long to fight the bitter night and battle with the swell.
Methinks I see them yet again as they leave the shores behind
And cast their nets into the waves , those herring shoals to find.
Methinks I see them yet again and all on board's all right,
With their sails close reefed and the decks cleared up and the sidelights burning bright.
Well October's night t'was such a sight, t'was never seen before:
As masts and yards and broken spars came floating to the shore.
There was many a heart of sorrow, there was many a heart so brave.
There was many a hearty fisher lad who found their watery grave. |
Biggest load of old bollox i have ever read on PlanetSwans.
Johnson loves people like you. | |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 20:49 - Dec 14 with 1364 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 18:21 - Dec 14 by felixstowe_jack |
Macron has an election. He can't be seen to make a reasonable deal over fish otherwise he will loose the election.
It does not help that barnier is French as well and under orders from Macron not to give the UK a fair deal.
They are both graduates of the ecole nationale d'administration.
This is a french college for the elite which has a far narrow intake than any British public school and oxbridge. |
Right, so in summary you believe that the issue of fish will decide the French General Election.
I really have heard it all now.
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Nobody gives a feck about fish.
And the irony is we sell the fish we do catch to Europe.
So if there is no deal ....then .... yes thats right ..... we cant sell the fish to Europe without tariffs, the uk fishing industry is completely screwed.
Johnson is a real bright spark. | |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 21:04 - Dec 14 with 1354 views | FieryJack |
Fish is a dead cat!?
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 21:08 - Dec 14 with 1352 views | Lohengrin |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 21:04 - Dec 14 by FieryJack |
Fish is a dead cat!?
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He’s pinched that line from James O’Brien, I think.
Clever presenter is Mr O’Brien but I’m not quite sure what to make of him? I’ve made it a personal rule to never trust a man who wears a silk scarf indoors unless it’s David Essex... |  |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 09:19 - Dec 15 with 1285 views | Highjack |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 20:49 - Dec 14 by Kilkennyjack |
Right, so in summary you believe that the issue of fish will decide the French General Election.
I really have heard it all now.
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Nobody gives a feck about fish.
And the irony is we sell the fish we do catch to Europe.
So if there is no deal ....then .... yes thats right ..... we cant sell the fish to Europe without tariffs, the uk fishing industry is completely screwed.
Johnson is a real bright spark. |
If nobody gives a feck about fish then why are the eu so desperate to hold on to them? | |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 10:26 - Dec 15 with 1266 views | controversial_jack |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 20:49 - Dec 14 by Kilkennyjack |
Right, so in summary you believe that the issue of fish will decide the French General Election.
I really have heard it all now.
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Nobody gives a feck about fish.
And the irony is we sell the fish we do catch to Europe.
So if there is no deal ....then .... yes thats right ..... we cant sell the fish to Europe without tariffs, the uk fishing industry is completely screwed.
Johnson is a real bright spark. |
Exactly, nobody in the UK really eats fish, unless we go to one of Raynors posh restaurants. | | | |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 10:50 - Dec 15 with 1259 views | Catullus |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 10:26 - Dec 15 by controversial_jack |
Exactly, nobody in the UK really eats fish, unless we go to one of Raynors posh restaurants. |
Nobody? We apparently buy 167 million portions of fish and chips from our chippies every year. Then there's,
https://ukfisheries.net/uk-fis
That's a lot of nobodies, 1.2 billion quids worth!
PS, Kilk we don't sell all the fish we catch to the EU. Don't make things up. | |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 10:54 - Dec 15 with 1251 views | Whiterockin |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 10:26 - Dec 15 by controversial_jack |
Exactly, nobody in the UK really eats fish, unless we go to one of Raynors posh restaurants. |
There's being controversial and there is posting rubbish. |  | | |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 10:55 - Dec 15 with 1248 views | Lohengrin |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 10:54 - Dec 13 by Gwyn737 |
It worries me that the argument over fish is such a distraction from so many more important things.
It’s front page news but for context, the Games Workshop contributes 3 x more to the economy than the entire fishing industry. |
Don’t get too hung-up on Hake, Gwyn. The real issue here for Johnson, as it would be for any Leader, is that he cannot allow for a scenario whereby Britain would be the only independent nation in the world without control of her own territorial waters. | |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 11:01 - Dec 15 with 1228 views | Catullus |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 10:55 - Dec 15 by Lohengrin |
Don’t get too hung-up on Hake, Gwyn. The real issue here for Johnson, as it would be for any Leader, is that he cannot allow for a scenario whereby Britain would be the only independent nation in the world without control of her own territorial waters. |
Come on Loh, don't spoil the fun. They're trying to reduce it to fishing and then tryingto make out fishing doesn't matter but they can't win that argument anyway so don't go pointing out the bigger picture to them. | |
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| Another Brexit benefit .... on 11:04 - Dec 15 with 1226 views | controversial_jack |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 10:50 - Dec 15 by Catullus |
Nobody? We apparently buy 167 million portions of fish and chips from our chippies every year. Then there's,
https://ukfisheries.net/uk-fis
That's a lot of nobodies, 1.2 billion quids worth!
PS, Kilk we don't sell all the fish we catch to the EU. Don't make things up. |
We export 70% to the EU, but we also import fish too. £1,2 billion when out economy is worth £2.6 trillion is indeed peanuts | | | |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 11:11 - Dec 15 with 1222 views | Lohengrin |
| Another Brexit benefit .... on 11:01 - Dec 15 by Catullus |
Come on Loh, don't spoil the fun. They're trying to reduce it to fishing and then tryingto make out fishing doesn't matter but they can't win that argument anyway so don't go pointing out the bigger picture to them. |
It’s a picture so big, so obvious, you wouldn’t think it needed pointing out at all, Cat. | |
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