| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? 09:53 - Dec 13 with 33363 views | A_Fans_Dad |
The actions of Governments all over the world are shaped on the basis of the PCR COVID test results.
For months now there have been serious question marks over the accuracy of the tests.
Well now there is a definitive study on the original research and it's world wide adoption which is totally condemning.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/
This does not decry the deaths that occur with COVID-19, but there are also many questions over the counting of them as well. |  | | |  |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:09 - Dec 16 with 1514 views | Scotia |
Those who died were infected at least two weeks ago more likely three, the lockdown has only just started and will be relaxed around Xmas. See what the death totals are at the end of January. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:37 - Dec 16 with 1487 views | Jack123 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 10:00 - Dec 16 by Catullus |
That doesn't show the virus has gone, in fact it shows it's still there it's just that are fewer deaths per number of cases than at the beginning. That is down to the NHS learning on the job and doing better with the infected than previously.
When there are more people in hospital with covid and cases rising day by day, when hospitals are so stretched the stop doing elective surgery and medical experts are going to the press to sk the government to act before it's too late, how does that show it's gone?
I read yesterday that a Welsh health board has 900 people off sick.
The Senedd has blown it. Stupid people haven't helped things but when we needed real leadership we got Drakeford and Gething.....or Bojo! |
Fewer deaths per number of cases? They never tested many at the peak of the pandemic earlier this year, so I think that is something that will never be known.
I wonder if the majority of these people off sick, are not sick, just in self isolation because a close contact has tested positive, which makes me think, when Vaughn Getting said the other day about school children, that if they were told to self isolate, they could have a test, to return to school, why don't they do that for healthcare when they are so short staffed. |  |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:39 - Dec 16 with 1429 views | Andy1300 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:32 - Dec 16 by A_Fans_Dad |
Prof never makes mistakes or retractions. |
Baffles my why only one side of science is being acknowledged |  |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:00 - Dec 16 with 1412 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:37 - Dec 16 by Jack123 |
Fewer deaths per number of cases? They never tested many at the peak of the pandemic earlier this year, so I think that is something that will never be known.
I wonder if the majority of these people off sick, are not sick, just in self isolation because a close contact has tested positive, which makes me think, when Vaughn Getting said the other day about school children, that if they were told to self isolate, they could have a test, to return to school, why don't they do that for healthcare when they are so short staffed. |
No, fewer deaths per number of confirmed cases. The problem is we have never been told the full truth and in amongst that it looks like some blatant fibs have been put out too. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:22 - Dec 16 with 1383 views | majorraglan |
The lockdown only started today, give it a chance. | | | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:39 - Dec 16 with 1369 views | Andy1300 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:22 - Dec 16 by majorraglan |
The lockdown only started today, give it a chance. |
Germany have been under restrictions and have blamed the citizens for not complying, sounds familiar!
Perhaps people are the same regardless of the country.
Perhaps people have had enough of the draconian restrictions .
Perhaps people have had enough of not being allowed to work.
Perhaps people have had enough of not seeing loved ones.
Perhaps people have just had enough! | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:17 - Dec 16 with 1348 views | majorraglan |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 12:09 - Dec 16 by A_Fans_Dad |
Cat, you are letting emotions carry you away from the facts of those charts.
How close are we to having the NHS "swamped" compared to Mid April, which was before the Private Hospitals were contracted and the Nightingale hospitals were built.
In mid April there were an extra 10,000 deaths compared to normal, now it is barely distinguishable from normal. |
Things were a lot worse last April than they have been of late, but I suspect things are going to get much worse. Infection rates are rising and admissions are going up, as is the number of staff reporting sick or self isolating. I appreciate that not all of these will be front line clinical staff but a significant proportion will be and if they aren’t in work who cares for the sick.
Part of the problem with the nightingale facilities is staffing, there aren’t enough to care for the main wards yet alone staff an additional facility. WAST have 12% of their staff off, that’s a lot esp3vially when you consider their resources have to cover 24/7 365 days per year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-
Since the end of October, the number of excess deaths has fluctuated between 1,000 and 2,300 per week, sadly I think it’s going to get worse.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?ur | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 07:37 - Dec 17 with 1309 views | Andy1300 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:17 - Dec 16 by majorraglan |
Things were a lot worse last April than they have been of late, but I suspect things are going to get much worse. Infection rates are rising and admissions are going up, as is the number of staff reporting sick or self isolating. I appreciate that not all of these will be front line clinical staff but a significant proportion will be and if they aren’t in work who cares for the sick.
Part of the problem with the nightingale facilities is staffing, there aren’t enough to care for the main wards yet alone staff an additional facility. WAST have 12% of their staff off, that’s a lot esp3vially when you consider their resources have to cover 24/7 365 days per year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-
Since the end of October, the number of excess deaths has fluctuated between 1,000 and 2,300 per week, sadly I think it’s going to get worse.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?ur |
How about 5hings are put in perspective here.
Look at the stats for the following line -
Deaths where the underlying cause was respiratory disease (ICD-10 J00-J99
Now forgive me, why do we not make such a fuss over the numbers involved EVERY WEEK?
Yeah yeah, covid is a killer..... blah blah blah, plenty of things kill us.
Hospitals are under pressure every winter, looking at those stats, covid is decreasing deaths by other respiratory issues, the nhs is supposed to protect us, not the other way. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 07:40 - Dec 17 with 1305 views | Andy1300 |
Getting really fed up of every man and their dog telling us to wash hands, wear a mask and keep away from others.
Humans are social creatures and it goes against everything we are!
Several nurses in morriston hospital who recently had the jab have now tested positive, you couldn’t make it up. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:12 - Dec 17 with 1296 views | Swanjaxs |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 07:40 - Dec 17 by Andy1300 |
Getting really fed up of every man and their dog telling us to wash hands, wear a mask and keep away from others.
Humans are social creatures and it goes against everything we are!
Several nurses in morriston hospital who recently had the jab have now tested positive, you couldn’t make it up. |
Firstly, is it really that hard to regularly give your hands a wash, is putting a mask on when in work and confined areas when out and about, and trying to keep a 2 meter distance between ourselves that taxing?
Secondly, you don't get instant immunity after having your first inoculation, you have to get the 2nd jab two weeks later, and even then it takes a few weeks to "kick in" [Post edited 17 Dec 2020 8:15]
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:18 - Dec 17 with 1286 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 07:40 - Dec 17 by Andy1300 |
Getting really fed up of every man and their dog telling us to wash hands, wear a mask and keep away from others.
Humans are social creatures and it goes against everything we are!
Several nurses in morriston hospital who recently had the jab have now tested positive, you couldn’t make it up. |
You actually need to be told to wash your hands?
Well the earliest any nurses would have received the jab would have been on Tuesday December 8th. No Immunity develops until 12 days afterwards, that would be this Sunday. Full immunity won't develop until January 5th. Them testing positive sounds like baseless, uninformed anti vaxx propaganda.
It emphasises why restrictions will be needed for a while yet. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:35 - Dec 17 with 1276 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:39 - Dec 16 by Andy1300 |
Germany have been under restrictions and have blamed the citizens for not complying, sounds familiar!
Perhaps people are the same regardless of the country.
Perhaps people have had enough of the draconian restrictions .
Perhaps people have had enough of not being allowed to work.
Perhaps people have had enough of not seeing loved ones.
Perhaps people have just had enough! |
I've had enough. I've completely had enough.
I'd love things to be back to normal. I hate wearing a mask, I'd love to go on holiday, watch the Swans or to a gig. But they simply can't be normal yet or lots of people will die from Covid or other causes. I hope they can be normal ASAP - I'm hoping we can have a newish normal by June.
The Germans and us haven't complied with the restrictions which is why we are both in the same situation now. It is our fault. If we did comply there wouldn't be a problem.
Unfortunately some people think people dying of Covid is a conspiracy, that the pandemic is because of dodgy tests, that the NHS is managing just fine, that the MSM is exaggerating the situation, that these people would die anyway or that Bill Gates is trying to implant a microchip in us.
And you think we shouldn't be blamed, just look at the title of this thread? It is basically six pages of discredited conspiracy BS, but people don't learn and would rather believe some "scientist" on the internet over an actual immunologist, that we know is who he says he is, and has clearly pointed out the errors these stupid arguments. The internet is a dangerous place. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 11:06 - Dec 17 with 1261 views | Andy1300 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:35 - Dec 17 by Scotia |
I've had enough. I've completely had enough.
I'd love things to be back to normal. I hate wearing a mask, I'd love to go on holiday, watch the Swans or to a gig. But they simply can't be normal yet or lots of people will die from Covid or other causes. I hope they can be normal ASAP - I'm hoping we can have a newish normal by June.
The Germans and us haven't complied with the restrictions which is why we are both in the same situation now. It is our fault. If we did comply there wouldn't be a problem.
Unfortunately some people think people dying of Covid is a conspiracy, that the pandemic is because of dodgy tests, that the NHS is managing just fine, that the MSM is exaggerating the situation, that these people would die anyway or that Bill Gates is trying to implant a microchip in us.
And you think we shouldn't be blamed, just look at the title of this thread? It is basically six pages of discredited conspiracy BS, but people don't learn and would rather believe some "scientist" on the internet over an actual immunologist, that we know is who he says he is, and has clearly pointed out the errors these stupid arguments. The internet is a dangerous place. |
There are other well qualified people in the correct scientfield questioning the way things have played out!
They are not all quacks that need to be ignored. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 11:12 - Dec 17 with 1257 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 11:06 - Dec 17 by Andy1300 |
There are other well qualified people in the correct scientfield questioning the way things have played out!
They are not all quacks that need to be ignored. |
The ones I'm familiar with are quacks.
Mike Yeadon, Claire Craig and Prof Sikora definitely are. They're enjoying the limelight. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 11:22 - Dec 17 with 1248 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 23:14 - Dec 15 by Jack123 |
This graph for me, hits straight to the point.. The pandemic has long since gone, as you can see from those figures.. It wasn't around that long.
A lot of excess deaths late March, finished early May..
Easy to understand the dotted line is 2020 the rest are the 1999 to 2019.
EDIT: I was so concentrated on the decline to early May, I missed the little blip that carries on for another few weeks..
So I will say late March, and it was all finished start of June, quite surprising really the mortality rates aren't higher, as I guess quite a lot of people are/have missed out on care that was needed to due to being too fearful to leave the house. [Post edited 16 Dec 2020 0:02]
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We all looked at that chart and concentrated on the April peak compared to now.
It has been pointed out that we should also look at winter of 1999 and the other year higher than April this year. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 11:44 - Dec 17 with 1237 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:35 - Dec 17 by Scotia |
I've had enough. I've completely had enough.
I'd love things to be back to normal. I hate wearing a mask, I'd love to go on holiday, watch the Swans or to a gig. But they simply can't be normal yet or lots of people will die from Covid or other causes. I hope they can be normal ASAP - I'm hoping we can have a newish normal by June.
The Germans and us haven't complied with the restrictions which is why we are both in the same situation now. It is our fault. If we did comply there wouldn't be a problem.
Unfortunately some people think people dying of Covid is a conspiracy, that the pandemic is because of dodgy tests, that the NHS is managing just fine, that the MSM is exaggerating the situation, that these people would die anyway or that Bill Gates is trying to implant a microchip in us.
And you think we shouldn't be blamed, just look at the title of this thread? It is basically six pages of discredited conspiracy BS, but people don't learn and would rather believe some "scientist" on the internet over an actual immunologist, that we know is who he says he is, and has clearly pointed out the errors these stupid arguments. The internet is a dangerous place. |
You mean the guy that can't even get Sweden's daily mortality rate correct?
Do you mean the guy that posts a link to a study that confirmed the study that I linked to that showed that when PCR tests are used over 35 cycles there is no viable viruses of positive tested people.
But he says that is OK and doesn't show any unreliability in the test even though other "quacks" say there is.
Just likes those hundreds of quacks that showed HCQ and Ivermectin with Zinc both work. Ivermectin can't possibly work according to our resident expert, because it is not an antiviral, that is why India gives it to their patients and that is one reason their Mortality rate is only 104/million.
Yes I know all about those quacks.
Did you see another bunch of quacks in the AMA the day before yesterday that declared that the evidence for the benifits of HCQ outway any possible side affects and it should be used therby un-banning it.
Then the next day withdrew the statement and re-banned it?
Or how about the UK quacks who have just declared no evidence of Vitamin D correlation with COVID-19, yet the Daily Mail showed half a dozen studies that clearly shows it does
You are always knocking other people and their expertise whatever the subject, regardless of the validity of the data that they present. Classic ad-hominem and appeal to authority behavour.
Well the PCR test law suit is proceeding in Germany, which will enlightening. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 13:27 - Dec 17 with 1218 views | Catullus |
I suppose Michael Gove was right then, we have had enough of experts!
Not all experts will agree, some will be right, some will be wrong so all you can do is go with what the majority say and hope they're right and life should have taught us that they won't always be right. All we can is learn from experience, hopefully.
All I know for sure is if I wash my hands more often or use sanitiser gel, if I wear a mask and try to stay away from crowds/keep to 2 metres away wherever possible, it reduces my risk of catching the virus.
If you are younger, fitter and in better health feel free to take your chances with your own life but please don't take those chances with other peoples lives. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:08 - Dec 17 with 1208 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 11:22 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
We all looked at that chart and concentrated on the April peak compared to now.
It has been pointed out that we should also look at winter of 1999 and the other year higher than April this year. |
I can remember the lockdown of 1999 well. And the other year, it was so memorable I don't even know what year it was. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:47 - Dec 17 with 1194 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 11:22 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
We all looked at that chart and concentrated on the April peak compared to now.
It has been pointed out that we should also look at winter of 1999 and the other year higher than April this year. |
In 1999 there were around 19000 deaths related to flu as against a norm of around 5000.
This year we have had....apparently....65000 covid deaths. Even if you reduce that by 30% to account for the suspicion that many deaths weren't really covid, it is still more than twice as many as 1999 and if you take into account that 99 was 14000 more than normal then covid is 3 times as many.
It's much more serious with the added problem that deaths are still happening, the numbers are still rising. Since Saturday in Swansea Bay hospitals they say another 40 have died of covid. Of course deaths from other causes will probably be higher too, this year. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:49 - Dec 17 with 1194 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 11:44 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
You mean the guy that can't even get Sweden's daily mortality rate correct?
Do you mean the guy that posts a link to a study that confirmed the study that I linked to that showed that when PCR tests are used over 35 cycles there is no viable viruses of positive tested people.
But he says that is OK and doesn't show any unreliability in the test even though other "quacks" say there is.
Just likes those hundreds of quacks that showed HCQ and Ivermectin with Zinc both work. Ivermectin can't possibly work according to our resident expert, because it is not an antiviral, that is why India gives it to their patients and that is one reason their Mortality rate is only 104/million.
Yes I know all about those quacks.
Did you see another bunch of quacks in the AMA the day before yesterday that declared that the evidence for the benifits of HCQ outway any possible side affects and it should be used therby un-banning it.
Then the next day withdrew the statement and re-banned it?
Or how about the UK quacks who have just declared no evidence of Vitamin D correlation with COVID-19, yet the Daily Mail showed half a dozen studies that clearly shows it does
You are always knocking other people and their expertise whatever the subject, regardless of the validity of the data that they present. Classic ad-hominem and appeal to authority behavour.
Well the PCR test law suit is proceeding in Germany, which will enlightening. |
Ahh Sweden the exemplar of how to handle a Pandemic if you are a covidiot. Ignoring their vastly higher death rate to comparable Scandinavian countries. Their King isn't too impressed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/wor
The "viable" virus argument merely proves that they have been infected. It's a moot point. He has absolutely said there is a very small element of unreliability - in fact that false negatives are more likely than false positives.
Well the quacks I mentioned are quacks. There isn't a suitably qualified person amongst them. I notice Carl Heneghan has gone a little quiet too, he probably has all the evidence he needs to realise he was wrong.
Trump wasn't treated with HCQ. I think we'd know about it if he was. I think he would have insisted on it if he'd been able too. Not forgetting you have posted several links (with the aim of proving something else) that say it doesn't work, because It doesn't work. Didn't you originally say it's effectiveness was suppressed by Gilead in favour of Remdesivir? Well seeing as that is not effective what would be the point?
I find it hard to believe that India that have prescribed that concoction to many of their Covid patients, certainly not enough to impact their death stats. Firstly in a country of nearly 1.5 billion, many living in abject poverty and in crowded slum conditions, the cases are probably massively under recorded. Similarly with deaths. Studies have been very small and have recently concluded, so what about the Covid deaths before this point? It is also not part of the national protocol. I'd love it to be very effective but the evidence clearly isn't there to make that claim.
The UK quacks that have shown there is very little benefit to vitamin D may be on to something as the largest study so far to consider it, involving no less than 1.4 million people shows there is marginal benefit to vitamin supplementation (and not to vitamin d) which may be attributable to a generally healthy standard of living .
https://covid.joinzoe.com/post
Lets see how the German PCR legal case goes, but seeing as nobody has ever said it was 100% accurate it wouldn't surprise me if it is successful. What would this prove? That it isn't 100% accurate. Excellent. But is it the most accurate test we have? Yes. Are there 1000's of otherwise healthy people dying? Yes. Are the hospitals vastly overstretched? Yes.
Theres nothing Ad Hominem about this or other arguments. You just post very poor science, written by very poor scientists. You are very easily impressed when you want to be. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:05 - Dec 17 with 1186 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 11:44 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
You mean the guy that can't even get Sweden's daily mortality rate correct?
Do you mean the guy that posts a link to a study that confirmed the study that I linked to that showed that when PCR tests are used over 35 cycles there is no viable viruses of positive tested people.
But he says that is OK and doesn't show any unreliability in the test even though other "quacks" say there is.
Just likes those hundreds of quacks that showed HCQ and Ivermectin with Zinc both work. Ivermectin can't possibly work according to our resident expert, because it is not an antiviral, that is why India gives it to their patients and that is one reason their Mortality rate is only 104/million.
Yes I know all about those quacks.
Did you see another bunch of quacks in the AMA the day before yesterday that declared that the evidence for the benifits of HCQ outway any possible side affects and it should be used therby un-banning it.
Then the next day withdrew the statement and re-banned it?
Or how about the UK quacks who have just declared no evidence of Vitamin D correlation with COVID-19, yet the Daily Mail showed half a dozen studies that clearly shows it does
You are always knocking other people and their expertise whatever the subject, regardless of the validity of the data that they present. Classic ad-hominem and appeal to authority behavour.
Well the PCR test law suit is proceeding in Germany, which will enlightening. |
Since when was a survey a clinical study and you have the nerve to talk about science.
Just like all your other answers you give they do not compare to real scientific & medical data.
But they are good enough for you. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:09 - Dec 17 with 1183 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:05 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Since when was a survey a clinical study and you have the nerve to talk about science.
Just like all your other answers you give they do not compare to real scientific & medical data.
But they are good enough for you. |
You know you’re talking to yourself right? | | | |
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