| What a waste of money 20:42 - Dec 21 with 2548 views | Andy1300 |
Sending every house a letter explaining what’s all over the tv all day every day.
What’s even more scandalous is that they wasted even more money by putting a welsh version in the envelope.
Straight in the recycling.
And I thought Swansea council was strapped for cash! |  |
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| What a waste of money on 13:15 - Dec 22 with 692 views | pencoedjack |
| What a waste of money on 12:18 - Dec 22 by Whiterockin |
The majority of people living in Wales are forced to pay for something they don't use or want. Where is the democracy in this. |
No issue with them having it just make them pay for the privilege & let the 90% who don’t want it see their taxes used on more important things.
If the cost was a million ( it’s obviously much higher) imagine the additional nurses that would provide for the NHS. |  | | |
| What a waste of money on 13:21 - Dec 22 with 693 views | Neath_Jack |
| What a waste of money on 13:15 - Dec 22 by pencoedjack |
No issue with them having it just make them pay for the privilege & let the 90% who don’t want it see their taxes used on more important things.
If the cost was a million ( it’s obviously much higher) imagine the additional nurses that would provide for the NHS. |
The Welsh Language budget has absolutely no bearing on the NHS budget. No matter how much you would save by scrapping it, not a single penny would go on the NHS. Pointless comparison. [Post edited 22 Dec 2020 13:37]
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| What a waste of money on 13:47 - Dec 22 with 679 views | controversial_jack |
| What a waste of money on 11:35 - Dec 22 by Andy1300 |
And stupid people can’t read! |
They need help |  | | |
| What a waste of money on 13:55 - Dec 22 with 671 views | pencoedjack |
| What a waste of money on 13:21 - Dec 22 by Neath_Jack |
The Welsh Language budget has absolutely no bearing on the NHS budget. No matter how much you would save by scrapping it, not a single penny would go on the NHS. Pointless comparison. [Post edited 22 Dec 2020 13:37]
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So you reckon if money from the Welsh governments budget was not used in a certain department it couldn't be used in another?
Anyway I am happy for it to stay as long as those who want pay for the privilege.
Tough times ahead & nice to haves need to be scrapped whether you believe so or not. | | | |
| What a waste of money on 13:58 - Dec 22 with 676 views | Catullus |
| What a waste of money on 11:38 - Dec 22 by Neath_Jack |
What'll be your next move, close Welsh medium schools? Outlaw Welsh being spoken in public maybe? Let's scrap Y Ddraig Goch, while we're at it.
Incredible how so many so called proud Welshmen, are intimidated by their own language. Let's dress it up in a mask of cost, because it probably costs each individual pennies in tax per year.
Absolutely hideous. |
Who said any of those things? Don't be ridiculous. If people want to learn Welsh that's fine but printing everything bilingually?
Now apparently the Weslh language commissioner estimated the cost of this at 150 million, what's that, about 45 quid for every person in Wales so individually no, not much. But we'retalking about enough money to make a difference elsewhere, a gebuine difference too.
You say it won't be spent on the NHS, ever. Why is that? Does the Senedd not control their own budget? Didn't Drakeford tell bojo off for offering extra money as long as it was spent on the M4 relief road, saying the Senedd will decide where the money is spent, not Westminster?
150 million, if that is even close (though it's possibly too high) it's a lot of extra NHS staff.
What is the situation with employment, do people get ruled out of certain Welsh jobs if they can't speak Welsh? | |
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| What a waste of money on 14:15 - Dec 22 with 659 views | Neath_Jack |
| What a waste of money on 13:58 - Dec 22 by Catullus |
Who said any of those things? Don't be ridiculous. If people want to learn Welsh that's fine but printing everything bilingually?
Now apparently the Weslh language commissioner estimated the cost of this at 150 million, what's that, about 45 quid for every person in Wales so individually no, not much. But we'retalking about enough money to make a difference elsewhere, a gebuine difference too.
You say it won't be spent on the NHS, ever. Why is that? Does the Senedd not control their own budget? Didn't Drakeford tell bojo off for offering extra money as long as it was spent on the M4 relief road, saying the Senedd will decide where the money is spent, not Westminster?
150 million, if that is even close (though it's possibly too high) it's a lot of extra NHS staff.
What is the situation with employment, do people get ruled out of certain Welsh jobs if they can't speak Welsh? |
I said it, every last word of it. | |
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| What a waste of money on 14:20 - Dec 22 with 651 views | Neath_Jack |
| What a waste of money on 13:55 - Dec 22 by pencoedjack |
So you reckon if money from the Welsh governments budget was not used in a certain department it couldn't be used in another?
Anyway I am happy for it to stay as long as those who want pay for the privilege.
Tough times ahead & nice to haves need to be scrapped whether you believe so or not. |
It doesn't work like that.
Anyway, it is enshrined in Welsh Law, so you'll have to find somewhere else to save money from.
Whatever you do, don't read the link below, you'll have a fit reading the first graph 
But the second graph puts spending on Welsh language into perspective.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/ | |
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| What a waste of money on 14:26 - Dec 22 with 647 views | Whiterockin |
| What a waste of money on 12:24 - Dec 22 by Neath_Jack |
That's the price you pay for living in this fantastic country of ours.
How much do you reckon it costs you personally? You must know if it bothers you that much? |
So the price to pay for living in Wales is to live in a dictatorship not a democracy. Senedd elections are in May we will see how that goes.
As for the bilingual costs nobody can give an accurate figure because it is interwoven into other aspects of Welsh politics, but a rough cost is about £150-160M and that is dependent on whether you include S4C or not which costs roughly £85M pa. Incidentally all public money for S4C will come from the licence fee in a couple of years, I wonder how that will go down particularly will the elderly having their free licence withdrawn. |  | | |
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| What a waste of money on 15:06 - Dec 22 with 626 views | Scotia |
| What a waste of money on 13:58 - Dec 22 by Catullus |
Who said any of those things? Don't be ridiculous. If people want to learn Welsh that's fine but printing everything bilingually?
Now apparently the Weslh language commissioner estimated the cost of this at 150 million, what's that, about 45 quid for every person in Wales so individually no, not much. But we'retalking about enough money to make a difference elsewhere, a gebuine difference too.
You say it won't be spent on the NHS, ever. Why is that? Does the Senedd not control their own budget? Didn't Drakeford tell bojo off for offering extra money as long as it was spent on the M4 relief road, saying the Senedd will decide where the money is spent, not Westminster?
150 million, if that is even close (though it's possibly too high) it's a lot of extra NHS staff.
What is the situation with employment, do people get ruled out of certain Welsh jobs if they can't speak Welsh? |
"What is the situation with employment, do people get ruled out of certain Welsh jobs if they can't speak Welsh?"
Yes they do in certain sectors - especially in public bodies. The amount of utterly incompetent people employed simply because they speak Welsh is astonishing, equally astonishing is that they almost certainly don't need to use it to do their job.
The non - Welsh speakers usually get time off to study Welsh too. Ultimately at the tax payers expense. I used to get two hours a week, which would total about 80 hours a year, so basically more than 2 weeks of solid Welsh learning. There were about 16 people in my class.
32 weeks of beginners (there were other, more advanced, classes too) Welsh Learning in one office of about 100 people. An eye watering cost not accounted for in the Welsh Language budget. Ultimately for nothing, except perhaps being able to say "Bore Da" to an incompetent manager Welsh speaking manager. | | | |
| What a waste of money on 18:15 - Dec 22 with 576 views | Catullus |
| What a waste of money on 15:06 - Dec 22 by Scotia |
"What is the situation with employment, do people get ruled out of certain Welsh jobs if they can't speak Welsh?"
Yes they do in certain sectors - especially in public bodies. The amount of utterly incompetent people employed simply because they speak Welsh is astonishing, equally astonishing is that they almost certainly don't need to use it to do their job.
The non - Welsh speakers usually get time off to study Welsh too. Ultimately at the tax payers expense. I used to get two hours a week, which would total about 80 hours a year, so basically more than 2 weeks of solid Welsh learning. There were about 16 people in my class.
32 weeks of beginners (there were other, more advanced, classes too) Welsh Learning in one office of about 100 people. An eye watering cost not accounted for in the Welsh Language budget. Ultimately for nothing, except perhaps being able to say "Bore Da" to an incompetent manager Welsh speaking manager. |
I knew the answer but I was hoping NJ would answer. It's a massive waste when people are losing their lives because we underfund the NHS, when kids are not getting a good education and when we don't have enough police.
Trying to excuse it as a drop in the ocean is terrible, how many other drops in the ocean are wasted like this?
It's got nothing to do with fear of, or hatred of but everything to do with spending it where it's really needed. | |
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| What a waste of money on 18:27 - Dec 22 with 575 views | Neath_Jack |
| What a waste of money on 18:15 - Dec 22 by Catullus |
I knew the answer but I was hoping NJ would answer. It's a massive waste when people are losing their lives because we underfund the NHS, when kids are not getting a good education and when we don't have enough police.
Trying to excuse it as a drop in the ocean is terrible, how many other drops in the ocean are wasted like this?
It's got nothing to do with fear of, or hatred of but everything to do with spending it where it's really needed. |
That is not the fault of Welsh Language, no matter how many times you try to say it.
There is no correlation, whatsoever, between the amount spent on the Welsh language, and that of the NHS. None. Zero. Zip.
Why don't you have a pop at the funding for, I don't know, let's say Art. Or, why don't we look at the savings to be had from within the NHS if it were run correctly? There are a multitude of places that money can be saved from. | |
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| What a waste of money on 18:31 - Dec 22 with 573 views | onehunglow |
| What a waste of money on 11:38 - Dec 22 by Neath_Jack |
What'll be your next move, close Welsh medium schools? Outlaw Welsh being spoken in public maybe? Let's scrap Y Ddraig Goch, while we're at it.
Incredible how so many so called proud Welshmen, are intimidated by their own language. Let's dress it up in a mask of cost, because it probably costs each individual pennies in tax per year.
Absolutely hideous. |
Nope. Welsh will still be spoken by families who want to speak it. If you are from a welsh speaking family like me you will carry on conversing in Welsh.
Wales has many needs. Speaking Welsh isn’t.
Wales is by far the poorest area in GB.the fact If ,it is poorer than Burnley then it is not much better than downtown Kolkata.
Scrap the bilingual crap and fund public services with it. God knows,people are dying because of the Welsh NHS . | |
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| What a waste of money on 18:33 - Dec 22 with 564 views | pencoedjack |
| What a waste of money on 18:27 - Dec 22 by Neath_Jack |
That is not the fault of Welsh Language, no matter how many times you try to say it.
There is no correlation, whatsoever, between the amount spent on the Welsh language, and that of the NHS. None. Zero. Zip.
Why don't you have a pop at the funding for, I don't know, let's say Art. Or, why don't we look at the savings to be had from within the NHS if it were run correctly? There are a multitude of places that money can be saved from. |
They probably would if the thread was about it. | | | |
| What a waste of money on 18:35 - Dec 22 with 565 views | Neath_Jack |
| What a waste of money on 18:33 - Dec 22 by pencoedjack |
They probably would if the thread was about it. |
Never mind, the bilingual letters and signs are here to stay. | |
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| What a waste of money on 18:41 - Dec 22 with 551 views | Highjack |
| What a waste of money on 18:27 - Dec 22 by Neath_Jack |
That is not the fault of Welsh Language, no matter how many times you try to say it.
There is no correlation, whatsoever, between the amount spent on the Welsh language, and that of the NHS. None. Zero. Zip.
Why don't you have a pop at the funding for, I don't know, let's say Art. Or, why don't we look at the savings to be had from within the NHS if it were run correctly? There are a multitude of places that money can be saved from. |
Judging by some of the utter crap that is passed off as art these days I think we should not only withdraw funding but also demand reperations. |  |
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| What a waste of money on 19:15 - Dec 22 with 546 views | Andy1300 |
| What a waste of money on 11:47 - Dec 22 by Whiterockin |
Its all about choice. I have no problem with Welsh medium schools, those who want them can use them. I have nothing against the Welsh language or it being spoken. I am against so much money being spent on something that 90% (my opinion) do not want. |
And it’s being forced on that 90%.
As stated previously, give everyone the English version unless they opt in to the welsh version.
Half of the cost gone, think of the saving to the country and the paper | |
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| What a waste of money on 19:21 - Dec 22 with 541 views | Scotia |
I could bang on about this for hours. The amount of money that is thrown away to socially engineer the language is insane. Most of it is unseen consequences of legislation.
I've come to realise it's an unwinnable argument. It's a game I've got to play. My daughter is in a Welsh medium school so she can get an advantage she'll need if she wants to stay here in the long term. Like everyone else she'll be ticking a box on an application form to say she can speak a language she won't need to and rarely will but it'll give her an advantage. | | | |
| What a waste of money on 01:48 - Dec 23 with 491 views | Jack59 |
| What a waste of money on 14:26 - Dec 22 by Whiterockin |
So the price to pay for living in Wales is to live in a dictatorship not a democracy. Senedd elections are in May we will see how that goes.
As for the bilingual costs nobody can give an accurate figure because it is interwoven into other aspects of Welsh politics, but a rough cost is about £150-160M and that is dependent on whether you include S4C or not which costs roughly £85M pa. Incidentally all public money for S4C will come from the licence fee in a couple of years, I wonder how that will go down particularly will the elderly having their free licence withdrawn. |
I remember watching the HTV news one evening in the late nineties, there was an item brought up half-way through the bulletin related to the subsidy S4C were receiving that year.
When the news reader referred to it as £115 million pounds a year, I immediately thought it was just something he'd misread. i was shocked when I looked into it later, and found it to be true. We all know how many people were watching that channel then, how on earth was that justified? and that was 25 years ago, even before the WAG, but still public money.
Who are these Welsh language people? How did a few hundred Welsh militants wield so much power over the rest of the country? | | | |
| What a waste of money on 09:19 - Dec 23 with 447 views | onehunglow |
It is easier to throw a bad full of pussies into the canal that question of Welsh usage .
Kids,learn a language that will help you in business. English is the world language for business or mandarin,Arabic .German good too as is Portuguese | |
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| What a waste of money on 11:54 - Dec 23 with 422 views | Jack59 |
With regard to the £115 million subsidy to S4C in the late nineties,
I remember at that time working out that it was enough public money to provide Sky Sports in every home in Wales. As one gets older, it's quite amazing how your concerns and priorities may change. Nowadays, after some health issues, I would be calculating that it could have payed for six thousand prostate operations, and eight thousand hip replacements.
I doubt that healthcare will be a major factor in the minds of 16 year old voters, | | | |
| What a waste of money on 17:20 - Dec 23 with 386 views | jack2jack |
Ours arrived yesterday, not sure it said anything that folk don't already know, unless of course you've just come back from your annual getaway to the moon.
Will many folk get anything from It, probably not, will any actually read more than the first paragraph, doubtful. Should a Welsh version be included, yes absolutely. Was it worth the time and effort, probably not. |  | | |
| What a waste of money on 18:04 - Dec 23 with 367 views | lifelong |
Yma o hyd. |  | | |
| What a waste of money on 18:08 - Dec 23 with 366 views | onehunglow |
No offence meant but if Welsh is on a CV ,it would be of novelty value only as people outside UK see Welsh as a monority language that has no real status as those that speak Welsh have English as first language ,so no real credit given.It would like like speaking Euskadi or Catalan or Occitain. Having Spanish,French, German,Italian ,Portuguese far better .
They are fook around with kid's education | |
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| What a waste of money on 18:17 - Dec 23 with 361 views | lifelong |
| What a waste of money on 18:08 - Dec 23 by onehunglow |
No offence meant but if Welsh is on a CV ,it would be of novelty value only as people outside UK see Welsh as a monority language that has no real status as those that speak Welsh have English as first language ,so no real credit given.It would like like speaking Euskadi or Catalan or Occitain. Having Spanish,French, German,Italian ,Portuguese far better .
They are fook around with kid's education |
Just as a matter of interest, where did you get the figure of 10% from when a survey last year found that 891,000 in Wales speak the language, that equates to just under 30% of the population, and rising. | | | |
| What a waste of money on 18:26 - Dec 23 with 356 views | onehunglow |
I would like Music made compulsory before Welsh .
Ive said countless times asking questions of Welsh leads to personal threats.It is a language ,no more no less. My dad spoke it,as did his lot .My mum didnt and hated it.
When dad's family moved to Swansea,an English speaking town by 90% ,they spoke English and not Welsh as they were in business and people ,then,in Swansea had little to do with Welsh in everyday life,apart from the Swansea Valley.
Welsh kid need to expand their mind to culture and languages far away from Wales. Looking inwards is no future | |
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