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Money being moved around? on 20:43 - Jan 16 by onehunglow
Cant take it then ,bach.
Hypocrite is not aposite in this exchange so try harder,dear friend.
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Seriously, are you accusing people of not being able to take it?
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Money being moved around? on 21:44 - Jan 16 with 1102 views
Money being moved around? on 21:44 - Jan 16 by Treforys_Jack
He has zero self awareness.
Always has done. I've never been sure if he's just a hypocrite or a complete moron.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Money being moved around? on 00:04 - Jan 17 with 1072 views
Money being moved around? on 22:52 - Jan 14 by Garyjack
Why not post your own opinions instead of hanging on to someone else's coat tails?
Andy Cole?
Another sad example of a little bygone poster, wearing a silly little hat, with little substance. Little in stature, and now little in presence.
Speak up for yourself, like you used to, Morningstarlet. You were once formidable, I'm sure
Pro free speech and alternative opinions -
Anti gang-bullying and poor modding thereof -
Will always make a stand against those who consistently choose to turn a blind eye
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Money being moved around? on 00:25 - Jan 17 with 1060 views
Money being moved around? on 12:22 - Jan 16 by Badlands
Look back at the events with from an objective standpoint. The Trust, having been informed of the shareholders desire to sell, stated they would not enter into a sale. This move, together with not owning the ground, automatically put off prospective buyers who would not have been interested in part ownership. The shareholders then had two options - 1) let the Trust dictate what they do with their property (shares). 2) Go ahead with a sale, take the cash and face a lifetime of abuse. from Feb 2016, I knew about the sale, anyone who read the media knew about the sale, the discussions lasting 6 months should have been obvious to anyone vaguely interested in Swansea City.
Sorry missed this
The trust when informed of the sellouts selling their shares (not desire to - it was well gone) didn't at all state they didn't want to sell,in fact they entered into negotiations to do just that.
Or are you talking more generally, where admittedly the trust rarely did give an outward impression that they'd want to sell. Which is besides the point anyway.
Well yea they picked option 2. They have to stand by that decision.
The discussions last 6 months from when? Not sure how the timescales involved can really be debated, at least 2 of the 3 stakeholders the trust and Americans admit the trust were excluded from the initial meaningful negotiations / bids. Don't think Huw et al can deny it either considering the dates of when he tried to get the trust to dispose of the share holders agreement, a lot later than February i believemm
Money being moved around? on 00:25 - Jan 17 by Chief
Sorry missed this
The trust when informed of the sellouts selling their shares (not desire to - it was well gone) didn't at all state they didn't want to sell,in fact they entered into negotiations to do just that.
Or are you talking more generally, where admittedly the trust rarely did give an outward impression that they'd want to sell. Which is besides the point anyway.
Well yea they picked option 2. They have to stand by that decision.
The discussions last 6 months from when? Not sure how the timescales involved can really be debated, at least 2 of the 3 stakeholders the trust and Americans admit the trust were excluded from the initial meaningful negotiations / bids. Don't think Huw et al can deny it either considering the dates of when he tried to get the trust to dispose of the share holders agreement, a lot later than February i believemm
As I said earlier, you're wasting your time. There are 1 or 2 on here who are not interested in any of the facts and are on a mission to discredit and undermine the trust at every turn. You got to ask , who is pulling their strings?
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Money being moved around? on 00:38 - Jan 17 with 1049 views
Money being moved around? on 00:29 - Jan 17 by Treforys_Jack
As I said earlier, you're wasting your time. There are 1 or 2 on here who are not interested in any of the facts and are on a mission to discredit and undermine the trust at every turn. You got to ask , who is pulling their strings?
As supporters of Swansea City fc it is a strange stance to take isn't it.
I don't think anyone really begrudges the sellouts their money. Or certainly wouldn't if they'd done things correctly, ethically, legally, just out of decency. To deceive friends, colleagues, fellow Swans fans who they'd worked with for so long is indefensible.
"look at it from their point of view - their families are set for life, that's business" . Well I'd be wealthier too if i went round mugging old ladies. But should i act like that? No definitely not.
And if i did somehow persuade myself to carry out such heinous acts, there'd be consequences. I wouldn't be so naive to think there wouldn't be.
Money being moved around? on 00:29 - Jan 17 by Treforys_Jack
As I said earlier, you're wasting your time. There are 1 or 2 on here who are not interested in any of the facts and are on a mission to discredit and undermine the trust at every turn. You got to ask , who is pulling their strings?
Thing is, us proper fans are keen on seeing the facts. Who wouldn't be.
The conduct of Trust people on this and the other Trust-centric forum speaks volumes. If I were an Owner (significant, financial) or CEO, I would be massively alerted to some of the uncouth amateurish messaging, most notably from Lisa, of London. Somebody who is clearly unhinged, has lost the plot and is gnawing at the bit to get her dentures into anybody who dare challenge her and her overinflated, big fat ego. A Trust book-keeping advisor apparently, but just look at her amateurish posts. Cringeworthy.
With our on-field success and sensible, prudent financial stewardship It's time to shed the dregs like her and her twisted, vindictive agenda.
2nd in the league. Onwards and upwards.
Pro free speech and alternative opinions -
Anti gang-bullying and poor modding thereof -
Will always make a stand against those who consistently choose to turn a blind eye
Money being moved around? on 01:04 - Jan 17 by AndyCole
Thing is, us proper fans are keen on seeing the facts. Who wouldn't be.
The conduct of Trust people on this and the other Trust-centric forum speaks volumes. If I were an Owner (significant, financial) or CEO, I would be massively alerted to some of the uncouth amateurish messaging, most notably from Lisa, of London. Somebody who is clearly unhinged, has lost the plot and is gnawing at the bit to get her dentures into anybody who dare challenge her and her overinflated, big fat ego. A Trust book-keeping advisor apparently, but just look at her amateurish posts. Cringeworthy.
With our on-field success and sensible, prudent financial stewardship It's time to shed the dregs like her and her twisted, vindictive agenda.
2nd in the league. Onwards and upwards.
Never be complacent and always consider the long term.
Money being moved around? on 01:04 - Jan 17 by AndyCole
Thing is, us proper fans are keen on seeing the facts. Who wouldn't be.
The conduct of Trust people on this and the other Trust-centric forum speaks volumes. If I were an Owner (significant, financial) or CEO, I would be massively alerted to some of the uncouth amateurish messaging, most notably from Lisa, of London. Somebody who is clearly unhinged, has lost the plot and is gnawing at the bit to get her dentures into anybody who dare challenge her and her overinflated, big fat ego. A Trust book-keeping advisor apparently, but just look at her amateurish posts. Cringeworthy.
With our on-field success and sensible, prudent financial stewardship It's time to shed the dregs like her and her twisted, vindictive agenda.
2nd in the league. Onwards and upwards.
There is so much wrong with that post I wouldn't know where to begin.
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Money being moved around? on 19:30 - Jan 17 with 944 views
Money being moved around? on 00:38 - Jan 17 by Chief
As supporters of Swansea City fc it is a strange stance to take isn't it.
I don't think anyone really begrudges the sellouts their money. Or certainly wouldn't if they'd done things correctly, ethically, legally, just out of decency. To deceive friends, colleagues, fellow Swans fans who they'd worked with for so long is indefensible.
"look at it from their point of view - their families are set for life, that's business" . Well I'd be wealthier too if i went round mugging old ladies. But should i act like that? No definitely not.
And if i did somehow persuade myself to carry out such heinous acts, there'd be consequences. I wouldn't be so naive to think there wouldn't be.
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Although fans say "I don't think anyone really begrudges the sellouts their money" I think you are very wrong. The bitterness is evident in many posts. Defenders of the sellers are abused or even banned on some forums. These people did a terrific job for Swansea city and the city itself for 15 years.
If you look at the Trust as a kindly charitable group doing good deeds selflessly in the community you are of course right to show them love. I once thought they needed to be cut slack as a charity but I was corrected. They are not a charity. They are a Trust and cannot expect to be treated like a charity or given preferential treatment. They will be measured on thier financial performance and engagement with he fans and the club itself.
Worth £21m in 2015 I suggest they should have considered employing professional managers to develop a sensible strategy with obtainable objectives and financial targets. Being a "good bloke" was not enough. As owners like any other they should be prepared to invest in the club in hard times like today. This avoids dilution. The Trust are particularly adapt at PR wih their soft online support and working class values but this has no cash spin offs for them.
They are grown adults who need no support and are responsible for their own decisions. As an organisation worth £21m in 2016 their performace in an highly risky field was financiallly stratospheric. When the other directors talked of moving on they should have been on alert. As an outsider I would asess their performance 2002 -2014 as excellent. 2015 -2021 their performance has been dismal. No effort was made in 2015 to facilitate a sale of part of their holding by getting a mandate. Ths was absolutely necessaary then, and still is.
You comparing the treatment of the Trust as similar to "mugging old ladies". They are not the Women institute they are are owners of 21% of a football team known world wide even now worth £10m perhaps.
They are in danger of blowing away whopping £42m dividend from a sale of the club in the Premier League which is enticingly close. I have cited the examples of the sale of Burnley. £200m. No one has convinced me that Swansea should not be sold for very much less. Inflation has destroyed the legal case. Would any member reading agree selling their house at the price of 5 years ago as a good idea, with a 40% commission from the estate agent? Only an idiot would agree to those terms.
These are of course 'fag packet' figures. I am no financial guru just a fan with decent instincts so do not label me a 'fraud'. The employement of slick London agents gives me the heebee geebees. These people can talk the hind leg off a donkey. Their projection for Swansea city future will of course be very low. They live in flats n the north bank of the Thames over looking Charlton Athletic. Swansea fans should know better.
Just think for yourself and ask if Burnley is worth £200m £2m per 1%, why is the Trust preparing to sue for £1m per 1% share with punishing fees costs to come? They might end up with £0.6m per 1%. Inflation is a killer. Some people think the seller under sold their holding in 2016. Do you think Levien and Silverstein will under sell? I do not.
Most people one here should be able to think for themselves and a have a CSE at least in maths. Look forward not backwards. Why did the local sellers keep a stake?
Money being moved around? on 19:30 - Jan 17 by ReslovenSwan1
Although fans say "I don't think anyone really begrudges the sellouts their money" I think you are very wrong. The bitterness is evident in many posts. Defenders of the sellers are abused or even banned on some forums. These people did a terrific job for Swansea city and the city itself for 15 years.
If you look at the Trust as a kindly charitable group doing good deeds selflessly in the community you are of course right to show them love. I once thought they needed to be cut slack as a charity but I was corrected. They are not a charity. They are a Trust and cannot expect to be treated like a charity or given preferential treatment. They will be measured on thier financial performance and engagement with he fans and the club itself.
Worth £21m in 2015 I suggest they should have considered employing professional managers to develop a sensible strategy with obtainable objectives and financial targets. Being a "good bloke" was not enough. As owners like any other they should be prepared to invest in the club in hard times like today. This avoids dilution. The Trust are particularly adapt at PR wih their soft online support and working class values but this has no cash spin offs for them.
They are grown adults who need no support and are responsible for their own decisions. As an organisation worth £21m in 2016 their performace in an highly risky field was financiallly stratospheric. When the other directors talked of moving on they should have been on alert. As an outsider I would asess their performance 2002 -2014 as excellent. 2015 -2021 their performance has been dismal. No effort was made in 2015 to facilitate a sale of part of their holding by getting a mandate. Ths was absolutely necessaary then, and still is.
You comparing the treatment of the Trust as similar to "mugging old ladies". They are not the Women institute they are are owners of 21% of a football team known world wide even now worth £10m perhaps.
They are in danger of blowing away whopping £42m dividend from a sale of the club in the Premier League which is enticingly close. I have cited the examples of the sale of Burnley. £200m. No one has convinced me that Swansea should not be sold for very much less. Inflation has destroyed the legal case. Would any member reading agree selling their house at the price of 5 years ago as a good idea, with a 40% commission from the estate agent? Only an idiot would agree to those terms.
These are of course 'fag packet' figures. I am no financial guru just a fan with decent instincts so do not label me a 'fraud'. The employement of slick London agents gives me the heebee geebees. These people can talk the hind leg off a donkey. Their projection for Swansea city future will of course be very low. They live in flats n the north bank of the Thames over looking Charlton Athletic. Swansea fans should know better.
Just think for yourself and ask if Burnley is worth £200m £2m per 1%, why is the Trust preparing to sue for £1m per 1% share with punishing fees costs to come? They might end up with £0.6m per 1%. Inflation is a killer. Some people think the seller under sold their holding in 2016. Do you think Levien and Silverstein will under sell? I do not.
Most people one here should be able to think for themselves and a have a CSE at least in maths. Look forward not backwards. Why did the local sellers keep a stake?
Why do you feel the need to keep peddling this same boring rhetoric every bloody day.
Nothing has necessitated you writing this latest monolog today.
If I'm bored tomorrow I'll address these points yet again.
Money being moved around? on 19:49 - Jan 17 by Chief
Why do you feel the need to keep peddling this same boring rhetoric every bloody day.
Nothing has necessitated you writing this latest monolog today.
If I'm bored tomorrow I'll address these points yet again.
It was you that mentioned "mudgging old ladies" and "heinous acts".
They sold their shares with out asking the Trust for their permission first.
The Trust owned 21% in 2016 and own 21% today. If Swansea go up they can sell it for up to twice what the "old lady muggers" did. You wll deny it of course.
Money being moved around? on 19:30 - Jan 17 by ReslovenSwan1
Although fans say "I don't think anyone really begrudges the sellouts their money" I think you are very wrong. The bitterness is evident in many posts. Defenders of the sellers are abused or even banned on some forums. These people did a terrific job for Swansea city and the city itself for 15 years.
If you look at the Trust as a kindly charitable group doing good deeds selflessly in the community you are of course right to show them love. I once thought they needed to be cut slack as a charity but I was corrected. They are not a charity. They are a Trust and cannot expect to be treated like a charity or given preferential treatment. They will be measured on thier financial performance and engagement with he fans and the club itself.
Worth £21m in 2015 I suggest they should have considered employing professional managers to develop a sensible strategy with obtainable objectives and financial targets. Being a "good bloke" was not enough. As owners like any other they should be prepared to invest in the club in hard times like today. This avoids dilution. The Trust are particularly adapt at PR wih their soft online support and working class values but this has no cash spin offs for them.
They are grown adults who need no support and are responsible for their own decisions. As an organisation worth £21m in 2016 their performace in an highly risky field was financiallly stratospheric. When the other directors talked of moving on they should have been on alert. As an outsider I would asess their performance 2002 -2014 as excellent. 2015 -2021 their performance has been dismal. No effort was made in 2015 to facilitate a sale of part of their holding by getting a mandate. Ths was absolutely necessaary then, and still is.
You comparing the treatment of the Trust as similar to "mugging old ladies". They are not the Women institute they are are owners of 21% of a football team known world wide even now worth £10m perhaps.
They are in danger of blowing away whopping £42m dividend from a sale of the club in the Premier League which is enticingly close. I have cited the examples of the sale of Burnley. £200m. No one has convinced me that Swansea should not be sold for very much less. Inflation has destroyed the legal case. Would any member reading agree selling their house at the price of 5 years ago as a good idea, with a 40% commission from the estate agent? Only an idiot would agree to those terms.
These are of course 'fag packet' figures. I am no financial guru just a fan with decent instincts so do not label me a 'fraud'. The employement of slick London agents gives me the heebee geebees. These people can talk the hind leg off a donkey. Their projection for Swansea city future will of course be very low. They live in flats n the north bank of the Thames over looking Charlton Athletic. Swansea fans should know better.
Just think for yourself and ask if Burnley is worth £200m £2m per 1%, why is the Trust preparing to sue for £1m per 1% share with punishing fees costs to come? They might end up with £0.6m per 1%. Inflation is a killer. Some people think the seller under sold their holding in 2016. Do you think Levien and Silverstein will under sell? I do not.
Most people one here should be able to think for themselves and a have a CSE at least in maths. Look forward not backwards. Why did the local sellers keep a stake?
I certainly don't begrudge them their money, however I do take issue in the way they sneakily and underhandidly sold the club. Simple enough really.
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Money being moved around? on 20:06 - Jan 17 with 902 views
Money being moved around? on 01:04 - Jan 17 by AndyCole
Thing is, us proper fans are keen on seeing the facts. Who wouldn't be.
The conduct of Trust people on this and the other Trust-centric forum speaks volumes. If I were an Owner (significant, financial) or CEO, I would be massively alerted to some of the uncouth amateurish messaging, most notably from Lisa, of London. Somebody who is clearly unhinged, has lost the plot and is gnawing at the bit to get her dentures into anybody who dare challenge her and her overinflated, big fat ego. A Trust book-keeping advisor apparently, but just look at her amateurish posts. Cringeworthy.
With our on-field success and sensible, prudent financial stewardship It's time to shed the dregs like her and her twisted, vindictive agenda.
2nd in the league. Onwards and upwards.
I always laugh at these posts as they demonstrate how much certain people are absolutely crapping themselves.
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Money being moved around? on 20:40 - Jan 17 with 881 views
Money being moved around? on 05:51 - Jan 17 by Treforys_Jack
There is so much wrong with that post I wouldn't know where to begin.
Well I will Champ.
Since when have you been interested in any facts.Anything you disagree with you chuck filthy insults. What was that about hypocrisy. Look into the glass,wuss
It's about opinion see. He sees it different to you and the Trust mafia.
Money being moved around? on 00:04 - Jan 17 by AndyCole
Another sad example of a little bygone poster, wearing a silly little hat, with little substance. Little in stature, and now little in presence.
Speak up for yourself, like you used to, Morningstarlet. You were once formidable, I'm sure
This along with the cymrophobia OP ha really shown us all up as squabbling hypocrites blinded by objectivity.
It is no wonder we failed to run the club as it should and saw local people,Swansea people,stabbing each other in the back to the extent that it still carries on now in the form of promised legal action ,which I doubt will go ahead. Why,because the Trust,like the fans are split and enjoy only insulting each other.
Still,a long as Liverpool is slated and Cardiff denigrated everything is ok.
Money being moved around? on 20:40 - Jan 17 by onehunglow
Well I will Champ.
Since when have you been interested in any facts.Anything you disagree with you chuck filthy insults. What was that about hypocrisy. Look into the glass,wuss
It's about opinion see. He sees it different to you and the Trust mafia.
[Post edited 17 Jan 2021 20:42]
Show me a filthy insult I've thrown , I'll wait ...... shouldn't be hard if thats all I do with anything I disagree with.
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Money being moved around? on 20:56 - Jan 17 with 853 views
Money being moved around? on 20:47 - Jan 17 by onehunglow
This along with the cymrophobia OP ha really shown us all up as squabbling hypocrites blinded by objectivity.
It is no wonder we failed to run the club as it should and saw local people,Swansea people,stabbing each other in the back to the extent that it still carries on now in the form of promised legal action ,which I doubt will go ahead. Why,because the Trust,like the fans are split and enjoy only insulting each other.
Still,a long as Liverpool is slated and Cardiff denigrated everything is ok.
We need to look at ourselves.All of us.
We won't and soon ,it will be obvious why...
tick tock
You really do have a pathological hatred of anything "Swansea" don't you.
We are doing fine down here me old mucka, you just stay up there yea ðŸ‘😂
You might think I've forgotten, but one day, when you least expect it, my time will come.
Rightly or wrongly (in your head) I'm proud of MY city, and none of your bile can change anything as far as I'm concerned.
Liverpool, Glasgow, London, even places like Bath have thier problems with drug abuse/alcoholism, it's the way it is, it's not a point scoring exercise.
Get over it, you'll feel better ðŸ‘
You might think I've forgotten, but one day, when you least expect it, my time will come.
Money being moved around? on 20:56 - Jan 17 by Treforys_Jack
Show me a filthy insult I've thrown , I'll wait ...... shouldn't be hard if thats all I do with anything I disagree with.
Waiting ....
You're problem is I have a long memory regarding what you gleefully posted many years ago and I also stood on the picket line back in the day, I saw some great police officers who were heartbroken about what they were having to do and others who loved it. You've freely admitted which you were, so I'll not be lectured about respect by you.
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Money being moved around? on 21:21 - Jan 17 with 825 views
Money being moved around? on 00:04 - Jan 17 by AndyCole
Another sad example of a little bygone poster, wearing a silly little hat, with little substance. Little in stature, and now little in presence.
Speak up for yourself, like you used to, Morningstarlet. You were once formidable, I'm sure
The difference between you and i my little Man Utd plastic is that everyone knew who i was when i went by the name morningstar. So, which other usernames did you go by until you crawled back under your stone/banned for making a right nugget of yourself? I'm sure there have been many!
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Money being moved around? on 22:19 - Jan 17 with 787 views
Money being moved around? on 20:06 - Jan 17 by londonlisa2001
I always laugh at these posts as they demonstrate how much certain people are absolutely crapping themselves.
They will not be crapping themselves if the club is in the Premier league in 6 months time. You might find an out of court settlement heading you way very quickly. You will be forcing them to buy the Trusts shares for half their market price. By the time you get to court it could be even more discounted. Football clubs in the PL are simply not getting any cheaper. it is reasonable to think Swansea can get back to the PL within the next decade.
You should be looking for around £40m for the Trust's shares at the right time not £20m or well south of £14m after costs and tax now. The legal case was based on a false premise of asset stripping relegation and ultimate administration. In other words "we have no choice". You need to re assess this false narrative and the dubious strategy that led from it.
You will not be looked on kindly if you and your friends sell all the Trusts shares for £21m now and see the US people sell the shares for £42m in two years time. For that reason selling all the holding should be off the agenda to save yourself future grief.
You may regard me as a complete idiot but you really do need to get a professional upto date valuation on the Trust's holding in the Premier league, in view of the £200m valuation of Burnley and £60m valuation of useless Derby county at the foot of the championship with an untested manager.
I listened to Mr Godden on the Kevin Day podcast. He came across and a decent eloquent and likeable chap. You got an honourable mention. Please discuss these issues with him and move on from all agendas of score settling in small town politics that has blighted south Wales for years.
By all means come back discuss it with Godden and tell me to get lost if you like. I will have done my duty by my concience which I probably cannot spell.
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