| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk 18:03 - Feb 1 with 3095 views | Nortbankboy |
So all you anti Welsh on here calling Drakeford
The grinch who stole xmas.
Drakeford was right
Boris was wrong.
Cymru am byth [Post edited 1 Feb 2021 18:05]
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| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 10:50 - Feb 2 with 963 views | Catullus |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 10:05 - Feb 2 by exhmrc1 |
No that isnt what happened. Drakeford brought in a lockdown here. At the time Johnson was bringing England out of lockdown and putting places in lower tiers than when they went into the firebreak. At the time the Welsh rate had been soaring and was the highest in the World and Drakeford acted. Johnson didnt because they had just come out of a months firebreak and at the time he acted the English rates had rocketed because they had found the new variant. |
No,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk- | |
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| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 11:02 - Feb 2 with 960 views | Dr_Winston |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 10:47 - Feb 2 by Catullus |
I was just going topost that. Thing is he says about hindsight but how many people on here were saying lokdown earlier and for longer? How many were saying the Christmas bubble was a bad idea? We didn't even have all the info.
In which case the Senedd cost more Welsh lives than needs be and Gething is using hindsight as an excuse.
Bojo, of course, was even worse. He waited 6 weeks after he was advised and still (later on) got the devolved govs to agree to Christmas.
It makes you wonder who was persuading him to wait, it wasn't the medical experts. Was Bojo, were any of the politicians swayed by corporate pressure? |
I don't think it's any of the above. I suspect that Johnson isn't much fond of lockdowns, knows that people aren't fond of them either and so is reluctant to implement them, often long past the point where he probably should. There's still a part of him that thinks he'll retain some popularity for it, and in certain circles he's probably not wrong to do so.
In any case, a politician who doesn't like imposing restructions on the population, even if it's for their own good, isn't something to be condemed IMO. Plenty of other stuff he's done that you can do that for. |  |
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| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 13:20 - Feb 2 with 918 views | Catullus |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 11:02 - Feb 2 by Dr_Winston |
I don't think it's any of the above. I suspect that Johnson isn't much fond of lockdowns, knows that people aren't fond of them either and so is reluctant to implement them, often long past the point where he probably should. There's still a part of him that thinks he'll retain some popularity for it, and in certain circles he's probably not wrong to do so.
In any case, a politician who doesn't like imposing restructions on the population, even if it's for their own good, isn't something to be condemed IMO. Plenty of other stuff he's done that you can do that for. |
The thing is Dr W, not liking imposing restrictions is fine but when in a global pandemic polirticians have to be willing to do unpopular things.
It's not like they refuse to do unpopular things at other times.
Not doing lockdown sooner has cost more lives and that's what Bojo and the others will be remembered for as much as their success with the vaccine, people like Kilkenny will make sure of it.
Those certain circles, will they guarantee he wins the next election or will it be the families of the bereaved who have a bigger say? | |
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| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 13:29 - Feb 2 with 918 views | BarrySwan |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 10:47 - Feb 2 by Catullus |
I was just going topost that. Thing is he says about hindsight but how many people on here were saying lokdown earlier and for longer? How many were saying the Christmas bubble was a bad idea? We didn't even have all the info.
In which case the Senedd cost more Welsh lives than needs be and Gething is using hindsight as an excuse.
Bojo, of course, was even worse. He waited 6 weeks after he was advised and still (later on) got the devolved govs to agree to Christmas.
It makes you wonder who was persuading him to wait, it wasn't the medical experts. Was Bojo, were any of the politicians swayed by corporate pressure? |
I think squabbling about which area / country has the lowest death toll at any given moment from this deadly virus is pretty distasteful to be honest.
It's a scenario that no one has experienced before and therefore are all scrabbling about to deal with it with none really knowing if introduced measures will be any more effective than those introduced elsewhere.
This isn't a competition to crow about weekly or monthly reports that indicate that more decent ordinary people have died in another area or country than your own, and then to be defensive when next weeks reports show that your area has suffered more deaths than elsewhere.
Its pretty pathetic really and if I may say rather sad.
One thing we do know is that apart from Israel the UK in general appears to have secured more vaccines than most of the rest of the World even though it could well be argued that advance orders on vaccines that might have had to be abandoned as not working was a huge gamble and that there may still well be genuine fears of a lack of testing regime although I'm sure we all understand the rush to produce such vaccines and get them out there.
I'm no lover of the Tories or Mr Johnson but at this point in time it does appear that they pulled their finger out and whether by pulling off an enormous gamble through sheer good luck or otherwise at least due to their decisions to secure supplies early the vaccination programme in the UK including Wales appears to be ahead of most of the world.
There is no bigger critic than myself of the incompetence of the Labour Party which in my opinion has dragged down Wales for decades but ( not forgetting that many of its senior figures previously were shouting and screaming that we should be part of the EU vaccination procurement programme) even the general incompetence of Drakeford and Co in the usual running of Wales cannot really be held responsible for the effects of this killer virus.
As I've mentioned before I had no idea that there were so many virologists and medical experts amongst the contributor base of this forum I had imagined that those posting on here would be the usual mix of plumbers. office workers, warehouse operatives, care workers, mechanics, web designers, shop assistants. engineers etc etc.
We truly are fortunate to have found out that the majority of contributors on here are medical experts who can guide us through current and future virus control and other worldwide medical emergencies.
I thank you all for coming up with your various solutions and measures to protect myself and my family in between the crowing of who's doing best in the death stakes this week. [Post edited 2 Feb 2021 13:31]
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| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 13:31 - Feb 2 with 907 views | onehunglow |
Bojo loves to be liked on the lines of a loyal Labrador family pet.
It is why he failed to introduce the stringent brutal lockdown we needed initially and to full enforce it.
To introduce "mandatory" rules without enforcement -and to ay so-was madness,oure and simple.
To allow us a "break" at Christmas has cost us thousands of lives and is unforgivable. I'm no Labour man but I could never vote for a man who cannot take the toughest of decisions.
And to think he reckons we have common sense | |
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| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 14:12 - Feb 2 with 884 views | exhmrc1 |
From the article
In Wales, First Minister Mark Drakeford announced that the country will be placed under lockdown from midnight.
Johnson didnt do this for large parts of England. Drakeford had been pressing for it. Other countries didnt want it and didnt go anywhere as far as Wales. That is why the Wales figure is roughly half of England. Both are coming down but England from a higher position and the lockdown effect is coming later. | | | |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 14:21 - Feb 2 with 882 views | exhmrc1 |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 13:31 - Feb 2 by onehunglow |
Bojo loves to be liked on the lines of a loyal Labrador family pet.
It is why he failed to introduce the stringent brutal lockdown we needed initially and to full enforce it.
To introduce "mandatory" rules without enforcement -and to ay so-was madness,oure and simple.
To allow us a "break" at Christmas has cost us thousands of lives and is unforgivable. I'm no Labour man but I could never vote for a man who cannot take the toughest of decisions.
And to think he reckons we have common sense |
Your unquestionably right and we dont often agree. Many of the things that were needed went against Johnson and other Tories belief. They believe in freedoms. In a pandemic that isnt something you can have. We should have lock downed earlier, kept our borders closed and not opened up businesses that were always going to be risky. We should never haver have ignored advice and brought in a 1 metre plus rule in order to make hospitality more profitably. We shouldnt have been encouraging people to go back to work rather than working from home and shouldnt have reopened stadia. It was all wrong but goes against the grain for Johnson who wants to be popular as you say. | | | |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 14:31 - Feb 2 with 884 views | max936 |
If he, Boris hadn't dithered at the start of this pandemic, we wouldn't have over 100,000 deaths, he virtually dismissed the virus at the start, going into hospitals shaking hands with patients etc, then the truth hit him when he went down with it and was lucky to come out the other side of it, he also didn't have the balls to sack Cummings when he pissed off to Durham and then lied and lied through back teeth, what he did do though is open things up far to quickly to pacify the masses, to take their minds off Cummings and things rocketed again, failure to have the balls to close our borders was another massive balls up and there's still people going out of the country and coming back, that's why we got these new variants and the one that they fear is even more dangerous, Marvellous job Boris.
Yeah, well done Boris, on making his Tory supporters richer by awarding them massive PP contracts. Feck me we had the "vaccine minister" starting a medical business, rotten to the core the lot of them, all in it for themselves, the sad thing is, most parties are the same, full of their own self interests |  | | |
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| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 15:42 - Feb 2 with 844 views | onehunglow |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 14:21 - Feb 2 by exhmrc1 |
Your unquestionably right and we dont often agree. Many of the things that were needed went against Johnson and other Tories belief. They believe in freedoms. In a pandemic that isnt something you can have. We should have lock downed earlier, kept our borders closed and not opened up businesses that were always going to be risky. We should never haver have ignored advice and brought in a 1 metre plus rule in order to make hospitality more profitably. We shouldnt have been encouraging people to go back to work rather than working from home and shouldnt have reopened stadia. It was all wrong but goes against the grain for Johnson who wants to be popular as you say. |
To disagree in good spirit is almost a pleasurable as making love on a warm summers day with The Eagles in the background | |
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| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 15:50 - Feb 2 with 839 views | exhmrc1 |
Most of Wales will do shortly as well. Only 1 area of Swansea Landore has more than 2 cases per day over the last week and 18 of the 31 areas have 1 or fewer cases per day. Going in the right direction. | | | |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 16:14 - Feb 2 with 823 views | BarrySwan |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 15:42 - Feb 2 by onehunglow |
To disagree in good spirit is almost a pleasurable as making love on a warm summers day with The Eagles in the background |
Didn't know that the Eagles had a reputation as voyeurs? | | | |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 16:18 - Feb 2 with 816 views | onehunglow |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 16:14 - Feb 2 by BarrySwan |
Didn't know that the Eagles had a reputation as voyeurs? |
Aren't we all to some degree. | |
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| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 19:10 - Feb 2 with 796 views | krunchykarrot |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 13:29 - Feb 2 by BarrySwan |
I think squabbling about which area / country has the lowest death toll at any given moment from this deadly virus is pretty distasteful to be honest.
It's a scenario that no one has experienced before and therefore are all scrabbling about to deal with it with none really knowing if introduced measures will be any more effective than those introduced elsewhere.
This isn't a competition to crow about weekly or monthly reports that indicate that more decent ordinary people have died in another area or country than your own, and then to be defensive when next weeks reports show that your area has suffered more deaths than elsewhere.
Its pretty pathetic really and if I may say rather sad.
One thing we do know is that apart from Israel the UK in general appears to have secured more vaccines than most of the rest of the World even though it could well be argued that advance orders on vaccines that might have had to be abandoned as not working was a huge gamble and that there may still well be genuine fears of a lack of testing regime although I'm sure we all understand the rush to produce such vaccines and get them out there.
I'm no lover of the Tories or Mr Johnson but at this point in time it does appear that they pulled their finger out and whether by pulling off an enormous gamble through sheer good luck or otherwise at least due to their decisions to secure supplies early the vaccination programme in the UK including Wales appears to be ahead of most of the world.
There is no bigger critic than myself of the incompetence of the Labour Party which in my opinion has dragged down Wales for decades but ( not forgetting that many of its senior figures previously were shouting and screaming that we should be part of the EU vaccination procurement programme) even the general incompetence of Drakeford and Co in the usual running of Wales cannot really be held responsible for the effects of this killer virus.
As I've mentioned before I had no idea that there were so many virologists and medical experts amongst the contributor base of this forum I had imagined that those posting on here would be the usual mix of plumbers. office workers, warehouse operatives, care workers, mechanics, web designers, shop assistants. engineers etc etc.
We truly are fortunate to have found out that the majority of contributors on here are medical experts who can guide us through current and future virus control and other worldwide medical emergencies.
I thank you all for coming up with your various solutions and measures to protect myself and my family in between the crowing of who's doing best in the death stakes this week. [Post edited 2 Feb 2021 13:31]
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Superb post. |  | | |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 19:44 - Feb 2 with 781 views | Slugster664 |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 08:26 - Feb 2 by felixstowe_jack |
Rates per 100,000 since start of pandemic
Wales 6118
England 5966
NI 5506
Scotland 3304
Death rates per 100,000
Wales 186
England 156
Scotland 136
NI 112 |
I notice the tool from Kilkenny hasn't posted on this thread since you put this up  Had a lot of rubbish to spout before though... |  |
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| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 20:35 - Feb 2 with 759 views | majorraglan |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 19:44 - Feb 2 by Slugster664 |
I notice the tool from Kilkenny hasn't posted on this thread since you put this up Had a lot of rubbish to spout before though... |
Except these aren’t the figures the government is measuring Covid by. | | | |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 21:48 - Feb 2 with 744 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 14:31 - Feb 2 by max936 |
If he, Boris hadn't dithered at the start of this pandemic, we wouldn't have over 100,000 deaths, he virtually dismissed the virus at the start, going into hospitals shaking hands with patients etc, then the truth hit him when he went down with it and was lucky to come out the other side of it, he also didn't have the balls to sack Cummings when he pissed off to Durham and then lied and lied through back teeth, what he did do though is open things up far to quickly to pacify the masses, to take their minds off Cummings and things rocketed again, failure to have the balls to close our borders was another massive balls up and there's still people going out of the country and coming back, that's why we got these new variants and the one that they fear is even more dangerous, Marvellous job Boris.
Yeah, well done Boris, on making his Tory supporters richer by awarding them massive PP contracts. Feck me we had the "vaccine minister" starting a medical business, rotten to the core the lot of them, all in it for themselves, the sad thing is, most parties are the same, full of their own self interests |
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| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 22:28 - Feb 2 with 725 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 20:35 - Feb 2 by majorraglan |
Except these aren’t the figures the government is measuring Covid by. |
All figures are from the gov.uk
Coronavirus in the UK
They are released every day around 4pm. | |
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| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 23:44 - Feb 2 with 709 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 19:44 - Feb 2 by Slugster664 |
I notice the tool from Kilkenny hasn't posted on this thread since you put this up Had a lot of rubbish to spout before though... |
Wales turning the corner.
Great to see. | |
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| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 09:41 - Feb 3 with 645 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 23:44 - Feb 2 by Kilkennyjack |
Wales turning the corner.
Great to see. |
Even more proof Drakeford's firebreak did not work and cost lives. | |
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| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 10:56 - Feb 3 with 633 views | controversial_jack |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 09:41 - Feb 3 by felixstowe_jack |
Even more proof Drakeford's firebreak did not work and cost lives. |
He's got it right this time though and saved many lives. | | | |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 13:09 - Feb 3 with 603 views | Scotia |
Just as I thought WG were getting a handle on this Vaughan Gething announces that the South African variant is spreading in the community in Wales.
In England ino the areas where it is spreading they are undertaking surge testing. What are we doing?
Absolutely nothing. | | | |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 13:47 - Feb 3 with 598 views | controversial_jack |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 13:09 - Feb 3 by Scotia |
Just as I thought WG were getting a handle on this Vaughan Gething announces that the South African variant is spreading in the community in Wales.
In England ino the areas where it is spreading they are undertaking surge testing. What are we doing?
Absolutely nothing. |
Surge testing doesn't work, It didn't work in Liverpool. A waste of resources | | | |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 14:34 - Feb 3 with 588 views | exhmrc1 |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 13:09 - Feb 3 by Scotia |
Just as I thought WG were getting a handle on this Vaughan Gething announces that the South African variant is spreading in the community in Wales.
In England ino the areas where it is spreading they are undertaking surge testing. What are we doing?
Absolutely nothing. |
It wasnt WG who let them in. Blame those who have powers over border controls and chose not to do it in accordance with your wishes. It should have been stopped at source dont blame Gething. | | | |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 14:42 - Feb 3 with 586 views | Scotia |
| Wales lowest rate of coroavirus in uk on 13:47 - Feb 3 by controversial_jack |
Surge testing doesn't work, It didn't work in Liverpool. A waste of resources |
This is very different. PCR testing and genomic sequencing to find and contain the variant.
Liverpool was lateral flow testing to reduce cases, this is nowhere near as accurate. | | | |
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