| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 11:20 - Feb 15 with 1539 views | Catullus |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 16:29 - Feb 14 by A_Fans_Dad |
What a wonderful excuse, he is a 5th columnist.
So he has no connection at all with Antifa & BLM and didn't organise an Antifa meeting in Washington on the 6th.
OK.
Have you watched his sick video of Ashli Babbit's murder? |
Of course he had a connection with them, you do understand how a fifth columnist works, don't you?
He was trying to undermine Antifa and BLM by pretending to be with them and doing awful things.
That is why they disowned him......can you see it? I'm willing to guess that's a NO!
That's why I don't need to watch his video because it's fake, it's a lie. An awful, disgusting lie.
Really AFD, you need to stay off social media, youtube...the internet! It's warping your thinking but you can't see it.
Trump is not a good person but then he's rich and a politician, not many of that lot are good people. |  |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 11:53 - Feb 15 with 1526 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 11:20 - Feb 15 by Catullus |
Of course he had a connection with them, you do understand how a fifth columnist works, don't you?
He was trying to undermine Antifa and BLM by pretending to be with them and doing awful things.
That is why they disowned him......can you see it? I'm willing to guess that's a NO!
That's why I don't need to watch his video because it's fake, it's a lie. An awful, disgusting lie.
Really AFD, you need to stay off social media, youtube...the internet! It's warping your thinking but you can't see it.
Trump is not a good person but then he's rich and a politician, not many of that lot are good people. |
Of course the video is not a fake, it was used by the Democrats to try and Impeach Trump for goodness sake.
So was the CNN reporter Jade Sacker's.
You need to spend more time on social media instead of mass media and get an education on what is really going on.
Or are you suggesting that the Democrats faked that as well?
JaydenX filming Jade Sacker in the Capitol Building. [Post edited 15 Feb 2021 12:03]
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 12:26 - Feb 15 with 1514 views | A_Fans_Dad |
It has been suggested that Sullivan & Thomas Caldwell, are ex FBI assets, which may well be true.
Thomas Caldwell's Lawyer claims that is the case for him.
Thomas Caldwell has been charged with the planning of the Capitol Building attack on Facebook.
Court Documents say so
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pa | | | |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 13:32 - Feb 15 with 1486 views | Catullus |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 12:26 - Feb 15 by A_Fans_Dad |
It has been suggested that Sullivan & Thomas Caldwell, are ex FBI assets, which may well be true.
Thomas Caldwell's Lawyer claims that is the case for him.
Thomas Caldwell has been charged with the planning of the Capitol Building attack on Facebook.
Court Documents say so
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pa |
Social media, yes we should all believe everything we see on there,
https://www.forbes.com/sites/a
https://www.statista.com/topic
This is why you believe so much nonsense, you can't filter out the fact from the fake on social media. The mainstream media spin the news but social media is awash with lies and whacked out conspiracy theorists who spread their agenda to gullible fools. | |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 13:50 - Feb 15 with 1478 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 13:32 - Feb 15 by Catullus |
Social media, yes we should all believe everything we see on there,
https://www.forbes.com/sites/a
https://www.statista.com/topic
This is why you believe so much nonsense, you can't filter out the fact from the fake on social media. The mainstream media spin the news but social media is awash with lies and whacked out conspiracy theorists who spread their agenda to gullible fools. |
You use mass media to slate social media after I quote court documents.
You are laughable. | | | |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 17:21 - Feb 15 with 1429 views | Catullus |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 13:50 - Feb 15 by A_Fans_Dad |
You use mass media to slate social media after I quote court documents.
You are laughable. |
Well I didn't mention Caldwell but really speaking, he proves my point.
https://www.independent.co.uk/
He belongs to a far right militia, is ex US navy and a complete nutjob who used social media to promote his warped agenda. You didn't mention he was a member of the Oath Keepers, far right AND a Trump supporter, why was that?
So this Caldwell fella, he helped organise the riot to stop Bidens win being certified and you somehow think he helps your argument? He proves Antifa and BLM were nothing to do with it. Maybe you should read about the "Oath Keepers" but it's from an MSM source so you probably won't believe it,
https://indianexpress.com/arti
Trump hiself called the Oath Keepers.....PATRIOTS! How crazy is that? One last thing,
https://www.independent.co.uk/
The Oath Keepers claim Trump activated them......if that is was true Trump should be locked up for treason. It also shows people did take Trumps words literally. The Oath keepers felt they were invited to Washington and told to fight. | |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 18:05 - Feb 15 with 1424 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 17:21 - Feb 15 by Catullus |
Well I didn't mention Caldwell but really speaking, he proves my point.
https://www.independent.co.uk/
He belongs to a far right militia, is ex US navy and a complete nutjob who used social media to promote his warped agenda. You didn't mention he was a member of the Oath Keepers, far right AND a Trump supporter, why was that?
So this Caldwell fella, he helped organise the riot to stop Bidens win being certified and you somehow think he helps your argument? He proves Antifa and BLM were nothing to do with it. Maybe you should read about the "Oath Keepers" but it's from an MSM source so you probably won't believe it,
https://indianexpress.com/arti
Trump hiself called the Oath Keepers.....PATRIOTS! How crazy is that? One last thing,
https://www.independent.co.uk/
The Oath Keepers claim Trump activated them......if that is was true Trump should be locked up for treason. It also shows people did take Trumps words literally. The Oath keepers felt they were invited to Washington and told to fight. |
Because I was making the point he says he is ex FBI as it is suggested Sullivan is.
He is just another nut job, like Sullivan & Jake Angeli and lot's of others.
But the whole point you are missing is that it was planned days before Trump made his speech, therefore his speech could not have incited it.
Which was the original claim for impeachment.
Just like the pipe bombs were actually planted on the 5th and not as originally claimed the 6th.
It was lies upon lies from start to finish. | | | |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 19:00 - Feb 15 with 1409 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 17:21 - Feb 15 by Catullus |
Well I didn't mention Caldwell but really speaking, he proves my point.
https://www.independent.co.uk/
He belongs to a far right militia, is ex US navy and a complete nutjob who used social media to promote his warped agenda. You didn't mention he was a member of the Oath Keepers, far right AND a Trump supporter, why was that?
So this Caldwell fella, he helped organise the riot to stop Bidens win being certified and you somehow think he helps your argument? He proves Antifa and BLM were nothing to do with it. Maybe you should read about the "Oath Keepers" but it's from an MSM source so you probably won't believe it,
https://indianexpress.com/arti
Trump hiself called the Oath Keepers.....PATRIOTS! How crazy is that? One last thing,
https://www.independent.co.uk/
The Oath Keepers claim Trump activated them......if that is was true Trump should be locked up for treason. It also shows people did take Trumps words literally. The Oath keepers felt they were invited to Washington and told to fight. |
"The Oath Keepers claim Trump activated them......if that is was true Trump should be locked up for treason. It also shows people did take Trumps words literally. The Oath keepers felt they were invited to Washington and told to fight.
Yes I am sure Trump rang them up and said look I have this job for you, not.
No comment on all the calls for violence form the Democrats though.
Your TDS stops you seeing what it is really like in the USA, you want to try reading what the Americans themselves are saying instead of reding evrything through the filter of Mass Media and everything they control. | | | |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 21:08 - Feb 15 with 1382 views | Catullus |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 18:05 - Feb 15 by A_Fans_Dad |
Because I was making the point he says he is ex FBI as it is suggested Sullivan is.
He is just another nut job, like Sullivan & Jake Angeli and lot's of others.
But the whole point you are missing is that it was planned days before Trump made his speech, therefore his speech could not have incited it.
Which was the original claim for impeachment.
Just like the pipe bombs were actually planted on the 5th and not as originally claimed the 6th.
It was lies upon lies from start to finish. |
Actually, if the woman from the Oath Keepers is right then Trump planned it amd used the Oath Keppers to start it all off. That's not just incitement, it's premeditated. | |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 21:19 - Feb 15 with 1370 views | Catullus |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 19:00 - Feb 15 by A_Fans_Dad |
"The Oath Keepers claim Trump activated them......if that is was true Trump should be locked up for treason. It also shows people did take Trumps words literally. The Oath keepers felt they were invited to Washington and told to fight.
Yes I am sure Trump rang them up and said look I have this job for you, not.
No comment on all the calls for violence form the Democrats though.
Your TDS stops you seeing what it is really like in the USA, you want to try reading what the Americans themselves are saying instead of reding evrything through the filter of Mass Media and everything they control. |
What Americans themselves are saying? You mean look at social media, facebook maybe which was the platform the Oath Keepers used tto spread their filth.
Caldwell tried to delete all his incriminating facebook posts before the FBI arrested him.
Now the democrats, again you try to deflect by claiming no comment but on other threads (the Dr P driven threads) I have criticised all the violence, I suggested to Dr P that both sides were guilty though he argued it was mostly the democrats. I have no time for Harris or Biden either.
Because I am attacking Trump for being an atagonising influence it doesn't mean I'm a Biden supporter.
I got the same kind of thing when I criticised Corbyn, I was labelled a Tory supporter, no matter what I said about Bojo. It's the same old story, try to discredit people by making out they are supporters of the other party so I'll remind you, I am distrusting, cynical and disbelieving of the vast majority of politicians.
It's part of why I voted for Brexit and would abolish the Senedd, we have too many politicians, they are expensive and they are rubbish, they are all too often self serving, greedy, dishonest and useless. The fewer we have to pay for the better. | |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 22:03 - Feb 15 with 1355 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 21:08 - Feb 15 by Catullus |
Actually, if the woman from the Oath Keepers is right then Trump planned it amd used the Oath Keppers to start it all off. That's not just incitement, it's premeditated. |
Come on Cat, you are now firmly in utterly bizarre territory. You have posted that like you have considered it a real possibility.
Your bias is making conversations utterly pointless. |  |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 22:04 - Feb 15 with 1353 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 18:44 - Feb 15 by shingle |
Well done sir.  |
One of my favourite dressing downs of recent times. Her ego was clearly being bruised by the second.
I’m sure that most people agree with every single word he said. | |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 00:26 - Feb 16 with 1311 views | DJack |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 16:24 - Feb 14 by A_Fans_Dad |
Why don't you watch his own video?
Of course BLM are disowning him, he has been going to far even for them. |
It wasn't BLM that outed him and he was outed before capitol Hill. |  |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 00:37 - Feb 16 with 1311 views | DJack |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 20:55 - Feb 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s not nonsense at all.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/g
Now imagine if he hadn’t, like Biden said he shouldn’t have. Wow.
You have shown to be out of your depth in these types of discussions previously. You really want to continue another? [Post edited 14 Feb 2021 21:08]
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Those 430,000 people weren't tested...It matters not a jot what nationality they were, they came from China where the pandemic was happening/forming.
Most of your article is to do with events even later in the year the Fox article was in April 5 and includes this quote.
"Many passengers arriving from China within the past two months said they experienced lax screening procedures at U.S. airports. Some travelers said they had their temperatures taken and filled out health forms, but were not intensely questioned and were never contacted again, the Times reported." | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 03:48 - Feb 16 with 1289 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 00:37 - Feb 16 by DJack |
Those 430,000 people weren't tested...It matters not a jot what nationality they were, they came from China where the pandemic was happening/forming.
Most of your article is to do with events even later in the year the Fox article was in April 5 and includes this quote.
"Many passengers arriving from China within the past two months said they experienced lax screening procedures at U.S. airports. Some travelers said they had their temperatures taken and filled out health forms, but were not intensely questioned and were never contacted again, the Times reported." |
Don’t be so silly. There would usually be millions travelling that time, due to the restrictions put on travel from the Trump administration that was vastly reduced.
Biden disagreed with any restrictions, calling them xenophobic and racist. Silly man. | |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 07:01 - Feb 16 with 1269 views | Catullus |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 22:03 - Feb 15 by Dr_Parnassus |
Come on Cat, you are now firmly in utterly bizarre territory. You have posted that like you have considered it a real possibility.
Your bias is making conversations utterly pointless. |
Your defence of Trump becmae utterly bizarre ages ago. Far right lunatics, Trump supporters are saying these things but you dispute them with your little soundbites.
When you talk about my bias, don't forget your own. You always claim you come from a position of comon sense and logic. That's just not the case anymore.
You downplayed the number of people who marched on Capitol Hill, you claimed no more than 150 forced their way in when the US government and the Capitol Hill police say it's at least twice as many. You said there weren't thousands there but the pictures from the day prove that is a lie, there were thousands outside.
https://www.theguardian.com/co
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne
Reports from right and left say thousands marched on Capitol Hill. Deny it all you like, deny trump is responsible all you like. They were his supporters and thats a fact.
AFD has tried to say it was a conspiracy by BLM and antifa, that they planned but when the two people he named are outed as right wingers, one a member of the Oath Keepers (and one of whom claimed they waited for Trump to activate them) so why is it utterly bizaree to report a claim by a right wing group when AFD is saying the same about about anti Trump groups? If BLM and antifa can be incited by Harris and Biden, why is it so bizarre to suggest Trump could do it too? | |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 07:41 - Feb 16 with 1265 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 07:01 - Feb 16 by Catullus |
Your defence of Trump becmae utterly bizarre ages ago. Far right lunatics, Trump supporters are saying these things but you dispute them with your little soundbites.
When you talk about my bias, don't forget your own. You always claim you come from a position of comon sense and logic. That's just not the case anymore.
You downplayed the number of people who marched on Capitol Hill, you claimed no more than 150 forced their way in when the US government and the Capitol Hill police say it's at least twice as many. You said there weren't thousands there but the pictures from the day prove that is a lie, there were thousands outside.
https://www.theguardian.com/co
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne
Reports from right and left say thousands marched on Capitol Hill. Deny it all you like, deny trump is responsible all you like. They were his supporters and thats a fact.
AFD has tried to say it was a conspiracy by BLM and antifa, that they planned but when the two people he named are outed as right wingers, one a member of the Oath Keepers (and one of whom claimed they waited for Trump to activate them) so why is it utterly bizaree to report a claim by a right wing group when AFD is saying the same about about anti Trump groups? If BLM and antifa can be incited by Harris and Biden, why is it so bizarre to suggest Trump could do it too? |
Which part is bizarre? Can we get into specifics again? That seems like a bit sweeping. All my views are common sense. Which bits are soundbites?
Here you seem to be considering Donald Trump planned the Capitol Hill riot, I’m saying that ridiculous. That isn’t a sound bite or defending him. It’s an accurate summary of what you seem to be proposing.
I don’t have any bias, because my thoughts aren’t dictated by whether I like someone or not. Mine are based on the job they do, so there is no room for bias there.
I didn’t downplay anything. You claimed thousands of people stormed the Capitol, I corrected you and said only a tiny fraction did. Thousands legally marched, as is their right. Only a couple of hundred went inside the building and only a tiny fraction of that were in any way violent. You were making out that thousands of people stormed the building and acted this way - that’s not the case. Most who were in there were taking photos, selfies and dancing around like fools.
Trump is absolutely someone who encouraged thousands to march. Where have I denied this? Marching is perfectly legal and constitutional, I have no idea what your fixation with it is.
I don’t care what AFD is saying, what has that got to do with me? this conversation is between me and you. You are absolutely treading firmly in the bizarre camp with this latest discussion though. Your gripe seems to boil down to the fact I said 150 when you reckon 300? I didn’t count, happy to accept your number - the point is the same though isn’t it.
You didn’t say Trump incited it, you said he planned it with organisations. That’s what I’m saying is a bizarre notion. That’s in the Qanon sort of arena for sheer madness, isn’t it? Surely you can see that?
In terms of inciting it, you seem to be focussing on the march which is odd. Yes he probably did incite a legal and constitutional march. So? You should not get that mixed up with the criminality. If you think he incited that as well then all I can say as both I and a ruling majority of Congress disagree and I have seen nothing in the speech to say you are correct, only the opposite.
As for being his supporters. What has that got to do with anything? Is Steve Cooper to blame if he says we need to fight for promotion and a few fans act violently (who planned it well before he said it)? Would be a daft thing to try and say. The criminals that decided to break into the building are liable for their own actions, they aren’t pre programmed robots, although it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s the next conspiracy. [Post edited 16 Feb 2021 7:55]
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 10:07 - Feb 16 with 1234 views | onehunglow |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 07:01 - Feb 16 by Catullus |
Your defence of Trump becmae utterly bizarre ages ago. Far right lunatics, Trump supporters are saying these things but you dispute them with your little soundbites.
When you talk about my bias, don't forget your own. You always claim you come from a position of comon sense and logic. That's just not the case anymore.
You downplayed the number of people who marched on Capitol Hill, you claimed no more than 150 forced their way in when the US government and the Capitol Hill police say it's at least twice as many. You said there weren't thousands there but the pictures from the day prove that is a lie, there were thousands outside.
https://www.theguardian.com/co
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne
Reports from right and left say thousands marched on Capitol Hill. Deny it all you like, deny trump is responsible all you like. They were his supporters and thats a fact.
AFD has tried to say it was a conspiracy by BLM and antifa, that they planned but when the two people he named are outed as right wingers, one a member of the Oath Keepers (and one of whom claimed they waited for Trump to activate them) so why is it utterly bizaree to report a claim by a right wing group when AFD is saying the same about about anti Trump groups? If BLM and antifa can be incited by Harris and Biden, why is it so bizarre to suggest Trump could do it too? |
When Britishers see this seething mass of nationalistic America first (and the rest can FO) and the pitiful flag waving with the perma tanned ,pompadoured, poseur snarling and smiling at the same time,I wonder what they see. To me,it aint pretty.
Seems left wing people support Biden,right Trump mainly as they see him the guy to smash the potential immigrants into submission . Me,I just see a very devious ,devout narcissist who sees himself as omnipotent in America.
He is the most grotesque sight America has portrayed in my lifetime .Only Nixon,another republican ,compares | |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 10:19 - Feb 16 with 1229 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 10:07 - Feb 16 by onehunglow |
When Britishers see this seething mass of nationalistic America first (and the rest can FO) and the pitiful flag waving with the perma tanned ,pompadoured, poseur snarling and smiling at the same time,I wonder what they see. To me,it aint pretty.
Seems left wing people support Biden,right Trump mainly as they see him the guy to smash the potential immigrants into submission . Me,I just see a very devious ,devout narcissist who sees himself as omnipotent in America.
He is the most grotesque sight America has portrayed in my lifetime .Only Nixon,another republican ,compares |
Nothing to do with immigration, not sure where that view has come from. He isn't against it himself, it's illegal immigration he was trying to stop.
Quality of life, money in peoples pockets are the main two things that people like about the Trump administration. Which is all that it's about in many people's eyes. Added to that he wasn't starting wars and sending peoples sons and daughters into battle plus the fact he represents the opposite of a lot of ugliness entering the western world now - SJW, cancel culture, policing of language and thought etc etc
You can see why half the country voted for him. [Post edited 16 Feb 2021 10:19]
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 10:56 - Feb 16 with 1217 views | Catullus |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 07:41 - Feb 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
Which part is bizarre? Can we get into specifics again? That seems like a bit sweeping. All my views are common sense. Which bits are soundbites?
Here you seem to be considering Donald Trump planned the Capitol Hill riot, I’m saying that ridiculous. That isn’t a sound bite or defending him. It’s an accurate summary of what you seem to be proposing.
I don’t have any bias, because my thoughts aren’t dictated by whether I like someone or not. Mine are based on the job they do, so there is no room for bias there.
I didn’t downplay anything. You claimed thousands of people stormed the Capitol, I corrected you and said only a tiny fraction did. Thousands legally marched, as is their right. Only a couple of hundred went inside the building and only a tiny fraction of that were in any way violent. You were making out that thousands of people stormed the building and acted this way - that’s not the case. Most who were in there were taking photos, selfies and dancing around like fools.
Trump is absolutely someone who encouraged thousands to march. Where have I denied this? Marching is perfectly legal and constitutional, I have no idea what your fixation with it is.
I don’t care what AFD is saying, what has that got to do with me? this conversation is between me and you. You are absolutely treading firmly in the bizarre camp with this latest discussion though. Your gripe seems to boil down to the fact I said 150 when you reckon 300? I didn’t count, happy to accept your number - the point is the same though isn’t it.
You didn’t say Trump incited it, you said he planned it with organisations. That’s what I’m saying is a bizarre notion. That’s in the Qanon sort of arena for sheer madness, isn’t it? Surely you can see that?
In terms of inciting it, you seem to be focussing on the march which is odd. Yes he probably did incite a legal and constitutional march. So? You should not get that mixed up with the criminality. If you think he incited that as well then all I can say as both I and a ruling majority of Congress disagree and I have seen nothing in the speech to say you are correct, only the opposite.
As for being his supporters. What has that got to do with anything? Is Steve Cooper to blame if he says we need to fight for promotion and a few fans act violently (who planned it well before he said it)? Would be a daft thing to try and say. The criminals that decided to break into the building are liable for their own actions, they aren’t pre programmed robots, although it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s the next conspiracy. [Post edited 16 Feb 2021 7:55]
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Your soundbites are the condescending little remarks like "No sane person" or "only a lunatic" all meant to deride the opposing view.
I'd have to check but I thought I said thousands stormed Capitol Hill, could be wrong but that's what I meant but again you say "a couple of hundred" which downplays the truth, facial recognition software puts it over 300.
You don't have any bias you say but you constantly defend Trump, constantly claimed only Biden/Harris/BLM or antifa were the violent ones.
My suggestion was that Trumpincited the riot, I pointed out the "Oath Keepers" claimed they were waitng to be activated by him suggesting he had planned it. It's no more bizarre than AFD's comments about Caldwell and Sullivan.
At least we can agree that Trump incited the march which led to riots and 5 people dying.
When I was arguing the point with AFD and he was claiming Sullivan was an Antia or BLM plant to make Trump look bad, I turned the tables by pointing out what was said by some of the rioters, the Oath Keepers.
Your last paragraph is defeated by the rioters own legal defence, they claimed Trump invited them.
You can hardly compare some football hooligans with armed politically incited rioters. I've never seen a picture of a Swansea fan with an automatic weapon at any math. It's not quite the same is it? A few hoolies scrapping in the streets or hundreds of armed right wingers storming the bastion of American democracy? However, if Cooper did incite Swansea fans to violence then he would be punished. As for pre planned. Trump had been using language liable to cause problems for weeks. False claims of voter fraud where every court said the evidence supplied was not credible,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ele
His last public speech was the icing on the cake but his supporters had been getting all worked up ever since he started claiming voter fraud.
It's sad really that after Trump we have Biden and Harris, hardly a political dream team. I reckon the USA's troubles will continue because they are split wide apart over there. | |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 11:13 - Feb 16 with 1212 views | onehunglow |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 10:19 - Feb 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nothing to do with immigration, not sure where that view has come from. He isn't against it himself, it's illegal immigration he was trying to stop.
Quality of life, money in peoples pockets are the main two things that people like about the Trump administration. Which is all that it's about in many people's eyes. Added to that he wasn't starting wars and sending peoples sons and daughters into battle plus the fact he represents the opposite of a lot of ugliness entering the western world now - SJW, cancel culture, policing of language and thought etc etc
You can see why half the country voted for him. [Post edited 16 Feb 2021 10:19]
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No I can't.
And America first actually means ONLY America. | |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 11:15 - Feb 16 with 1211 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 10:56 - Feb 16 by Catullus |
Your soundbites are the condescending little remarks like "No sane person" or "only a lunatic" all meant to deride the opposing view.
I'd have to check but I thought I said thousands stormed Capitol Hill, could be wrong but that's what I meant but again you say "a couple of hundred" which downplays the truth, facial recognition software puts it over 300.
You don't have any bias you say but you constantly defend Trump, constantly claimed only Biden/Harris/BLM or antifa were the violent ones.
My suggestion was that Trumpincited the riot, I pointed out the "Oath Keepers" claimed they were waitng to be activated by him suggesting he had planned it. It's no more bizarre than AFD's comments about Caldwell and Sullivan.
At least we can agree that Trump incited the march which led to riots and 5 people dying.
When I was arguing the point with AFD and he was claiming Sullivan was an Antia or BLM plant to make Trump look bad, I turned the tables by pointing out what was said by some of the rioters, the Oath Keepers.
Your last paragraph is defeated by the rioters own legal defence, they claimed Trump invited them.
You can hardly compare some football hooligans with armed politically incited rioters. I've never seen a picture of a Swansea fan with an automatic weapon at any math. It's not quite the same is it? A few hoolies scrapping in the streets or hundreds of armed right wingers storming the bastion of American democracy? However, if Cooper did incite Swansea fans to violence then he would be punished. As for pre planned. Trump had been using language liable to cause problems for weeks. False claims of voter fraud where every court said the evidence supplied was not credible,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ele
His last public speech was the icing on the cake but his supporters had been getting all worked up ever since he started claiming voter fraud.
It's sad really that after Trump we have Biden and Harris, hardly a political dream team. I reckon the USA's troubles will continue because they are split wide apart over there. |
But add the rest of the sentence to those for context, again they are common sense. That isn't derision or soundbite, again it's common sense. I don't make those statements lightly, if I say the statement is lunacy... it probably is.
Yep, they didn't. They marched to Capitol Hill, as they are constitutionally allowed to. Nobody ''stormed'' anything. A couple of hundred people were let into the Capitol Building. Whether its 100, 200 or 300 makes no difference to any point I am making. My point is you are talking about a tiny amount of people, the majority of which were taking selfies.
I have never said only ANTIFA are the violent ones, you will have to find a quote on that. You even said in this thread my correct quote, which is MOST of the violence comes from ANTIFA and BLM, which is true. We are talking 1 violent situation here out of how many in the last 12 months? There is no bias there, its common sense not to mention factual.
That's fine if it is your opinion he incited criminality, but there is no evidence to show that and he has been acquitted of that. He was reckless and silly knowing the tensions, just as Harris was - but it's a stretch to say either were responsible for it. Doesn't stop the media trying though.
Again what AFD has said is of no interest to me, all I said was if you are genuinely taking a scenario where Trump orchestrated the riot in conjunction with another group then that is just as crazy as the Qanon people that you like to laugh at - rightly so.
It isn't defeated at all. Trumps lawyers said the election was conducted awfully, does that mean they are right? Of course the defence of the rioters said that, its their job to deflect blame and the media gave them a perfect platform. The speech is there for all to see, he did nothing of the sort. That's the problem.
Of course you can compare. I am not comparing the acts, I am comparing the situation. You said these people thought his use of the word ''fight'' was misconstrued thus blaming him. Well you can say the same about the hundreds of people that use such language in such speeches frequently.
Of course if Copper incited Swans fans to be violent then he would be in trouble. But using generic language isn't doing that for Cooper or Trump. His supporters getting worked up due to his belief of voter fraud is their fault, not his. If Cooper was complaining about bad refereeing ans Swans fans got worked up, would it be his fault?
Do you see why you seem to be holding different people to different standards depending on the bias you have for that person/situation now? | |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 11:18 - Feb 16 with 1210 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 11:13 - Feb 16 by onehunglow |
No I can't.
And America first actually means ONLY America. |
No, it means America first. Not only America. You have changed it to what you want to imply it means.
It means if there is an opportunity to bring extra jobs to the States or outsource as was done previously (which is why Detroit is now in the state it's in), then when possible America comes first. Hence why they had the lowest unemployment in the countries history. | |
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| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 11:19 - Feb 16 with 1210 views | Lohengrin |
| President Donald Trump Acquitted (again) on 10:07 - Feb 16 by onehunglow |
When Britishers see this seething mass of nationalistic America first (and the rest can FO) and the pitiful flag waving with the perma tanned ,pompadoured, poseur snarling and smiling at the same time,I wonder what they see. To me,it aint pretty.
Seems left wing people support Biden,right Trump mainly as they see him the guy to smash the potential immigrants into submission . Me,I just see a very devious ,devout narcissist who sees himself as omnipotent in America.
He is the most grotesque sight America has portrayed in my lifetime .Only Nixon,another republican ,compares |
” Only Nixon, another republican, compares.”
What would make you draw that comparison? His record in office was broadly liberal. |  |
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