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 The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit 28th Jun 2021 12:06It’s the run up to players returning to their clubs, the week when faces are missing and new ones are seen. Uncertainty will also continue throughout the month right up to the eve of the new season fixtures. However this week the decisions to be made are all surrounding Steve Cooper, will it be Fulham, will it be Palace, will it be chips or jacket spuds, we’ll have to wait and see.  1
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 07:33 - Jun 29 with 629 views | Dr_Parnassus |
It appears to be a scenario where an affordable Cooper is the first choice.
If, as you say, the club (Swansea) want him gone then they will lower their asking price significantly to get it done. Seems silly to scupper a deal to relieve yourself of a manager you don't want, to hold out for an amount that a club won't pay. They would surely just do what Fulham just did and essentially give him away for pittance and wipe the brow with relief... as we did with Sousa. The alternative scenario makes no sense.
Which is why I believe the club indeed do wish to keep him as I have seen nothing to suggest our compensation clause will be lowered. Its a bit like a buy out fee in Spain being set at way above the players value (Martin Braithwaite has a 300m one for Barca for example). If they want to sell him or offload him, they would of course accept much less and not demand that extremely high price is met.
As for Cooper hawking himself about, again I can't agree. Two bigger clubs appear to wish to speak to him (understandable after the 2 years of play off finishes here)... and he appears willing to listen to what they say, that isn't touting himself, or hawking himself or any other description people seem to want to state. Seems a normal response to such a situation. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 10:44]
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 07:40 - Jun 29 with 603 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 07:33 - Jun 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
It appears to be a scenario where an affordable Cooper is the first choice.
If, as you say, the club (Swansea) want him gone then they will lower their asking price significantly to get it done. Seems silly to scupper a deal to relieve yourself of a manager you don't want, to hold out for an amount that a club won't pay. They would surely just do what Fulham just did and essentially give him away for pittance and wipe the brow with relief... as we did with Sousa. The alternative scenario makes no sense.
Which is why I believe the club indeed do wish to keep him as I have seen nothing to suggest our compensation clause will be lowered. Its a bit like a buy out fee in Spain being set at way above the players value (Martin Braithwaite has a 300m one for Barca for example). If they want to sell him or offload him, they would of course accept much less and not demand that extremely high price is met.
As for Cooper hawking himself about, again I can't agree. Two bigger clubs appear to wish to speak to him (understandable after the 2 years of play off finishes here)... and he appears willing to listen to what they say, that isn't touting himself, or hawking himself or any other description people seem to want to state. Seems a normal response to such a situation. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 10:44]
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Difference being no approaches to our knowledge have been rebuked, and we have allowed him to go for interviews elsewhere allegedly. When the same happened with last manager we offered him new deal.
In my opinion he wants to go, we want a fresh start, we will end up lowering our compo demands as I'm sure Fulham did when Parker made it clear he thought Bournemouth was a better option for him. |  | | |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 07:45 - Jun 29 with 589 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 07:40 - Jun 29 by 34dfgdf54 |
Difference being no approaches to our knowledge have been rebuked, and we have allowed him to go for interviews elsewhere allegedly. When the same happened with last manager we offered him new deal.
In my opinion he wants to go, we want a fresh start, we will end up lowering our compo demands as I'm sure Fulham did when Parker made it clear he thought Bournemouth was a better option for him. |
This is modern football, there are no such thing as official approaches until it is essentially done. Everybody will know the score long before any official approaches are made. It used to be called tapping up until they realised it couldn't be policed.
I also believe he wants to move to a bigger club, which is why the club are open to someone coming in if they can hit the incredibly high buy out. But unlike Parker, he doesn't have the threat of dismissal hanging over his head so don't think such a deal will be done for pittance like that.
It's down to Fulham if they can make an acceptable offer, I would imagine it would have to be substantial and in the Martinez and above region (2m I believe that was). | |
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 07:49 - Jun 29 with 591 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 07:45 - Jun 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
This is modern football, there are no such thing as official approaches until it is essentially done. Everybody will know the score long before any official approaches are made. It used to be called tapping up until they realised it couldn't be policed.
I also believe he wants to move to a bigger club, which is why the club are open to someone coming in if they can hit the incredibly high buy out. But unlike Parker, he doesn't have the threat of dismissal hanging over his head so don't think such a deal will be done for pittance like that.
It's down to Fulham if they can make an acceptable offer, I would imagine it would have to be substantial and in the Martinez and above region (2m I believe that was). |
That's the thing though, Parker didn't have the threat of dismissal hanging over his head, as reported by Oliver Kay and Peter Rutzler, two I would class as very reliable, similar to Stuart James here.
<<Fulham expected Scott Parker to lead them back into the Premier League after relegation – but five weeks on from the end of the season, he has jumped ship.>>
<< But what will be concerning is the fact that the coach Fulham wanted to stay in charge – and indeed had two years left on his contract – has opted to leave them for a club which can be considered direct promotion rivals. That does not reflect well, as Fulham are a club well backed by proactive ownership and post-relegation parachute payments will put them in a strong position next season. >>
Stump up the cash get your man, as Bournemouth did when they prized Parker away from Fulham. If he's first choice, which I believe he is, they'll get him. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 7:51]
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 07:54 - Jun 29 with 570 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 07:49 - Jun 29 by 34dfgdf54 |
That's the thing though, Parker didn't have the threat of dismissal hanging over his head, as reported by Oliver Kay and Peter Rutzler, two I would class as very reliable, similar to Stuart James here.
<<Fulham expected Scott Parker to lead them back into the Premier League after relegation – but five weeks on from the end of the season, he has jumped ship.>>
<< But what will be concerning is the fact that the coach Fulham wanted to stay in charge – and indeed had two years left on his contract – has opted to leave them for a club which can be considered direct promotion rivals. That does not reflect well, as Fulham are a club well backed by proactive ownership and post-relegation parachute payments will put them in a strong position next season. >>
Stump up the cash get your man, as Bournemouth did when they prized Parker away from Fulham. If he's first choice, which I believe he is, they'll get him. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 7:51]
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You mean ''the Athletic'' that is being spammed about here suddenly? 
He was on his last legs and jumped before he was pushed, Fulham accepted next to nothing to get shot of him after essentially agreeing to rip up his contract.
Sadly for Fulham our view of Cooper is far higher than theirs was of Parker, so it won't nearly be as easy to get their man. Instead of Swansea falling over themselves to give him away for a few beans and old dried crusts, they will need to pay some serious compensation. Martinez and maybe even Rodgers level compo.
That may certainly put them off, which of course was the intention of such a clause. | |
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 08:06 - Jun 29 with 554 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 07:54 - Jun 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
You mean ''the Athletic'' that is being spammed about here suddenly?
He was on his last legs and jumped before he was pushed, Fulham accepted next to nothing to get shot of him after essentially agreeing to rip up his contract.
Sadly for Fulham our view of Cooper is far higher than theirs was of Parker, so it won't nearly be as easy to get their man. Instead of Swansea falling over themselves to give him away for a few beans and old dried crusts, they will need to pay some serious compensation. Martinez and maybe even Rodgers level compo.
That may certainly put them off, which of course was the intention of such a clause. |
Oh right, sorry, I didn't realise random Fulham fans on a forum had more knowledge of a journalist that did two decades at the times, as chief football correspondent, and Peter Rutzler a reporter who literally whose job it is to literally follow Fulham.
You're wrong. Again. But don't lose sleep it happens regular.
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 08:10 - Jun 29 with 523 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 08:06 - Jun 29 by 34dfgdf54 |
Oh right, sorry, I didn't realise random Fulham fans on a forum had more knowledge of a journalist that did two decades at the times, as chief football correspondent, and Peter Rutzler a reporter who literally whose job it is to literally follow Fulham.
You're wrong. Again. But don't lose sleep it happens regular.
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You mean the same pair that reported how furious the owners were with Parker at the nature of their relegation?
He was under contract, you can't just decide to leave. He was allowed to leave for pittance. You don't need football grifters to tell you why that was. Well, maybe you do...
Common sense will never be wrong, fantasy will often be though. Which is where you constantly trip yourself up. | |
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 08:17 - Jun 29 with 509 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 23:17 - Jun 28 by AndyCole |
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You're absolutely right, it's all about our local Club isn't it. For us jacks.
Steve will move on, he has earned the right.
But what about the faux fans on here that clearly do not properly support our Club ? Should they move on too ? It's becoming insulting , the way they continuously undermine our home Club. |
Were you at Aldershot away when we lost 4-1 in 1987? I’m sure that if you had have been there id know you as there were only 3 coaches and 1 or 2 minibuses there if I remember correctly? |  |
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 08:33 - Jun 29 with 449 views | Catullus |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 08:17 - Jun 29 by Brynmill_Jack |
Were you at Aldershot away when we lost 4-1 in 1987? I’m sure that if you had have been there id know you as there were only 3 coaches and 1 or 2 minibuses there if I remember correctly? |
I've been to Aldershot, not an enjoyable trip. Calling people "faux fans" when you have no idea how long they've supported our team or how much money, time and effort has been put into following them up and down the country is a joke really. | |
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 08:45 - Jun 29 with 433 views | jack247 |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 07:33 - Jun 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
It appears to be a scenario where an affordable Cooper is the first choice.
If, as you say, the club (Swansea) want him gone then they will lower their asking price significantly to get it done. Seems silly to scupper a deal to relieve yourself of a manager you don't want, to hold out for an amount that a club won't pay. They would surely just do what Fulham just did and essentially give him away for pittance and wipe the brow with relief... as we did with Sousa. The alternative scenario makes no sense.
Which is why I believe the club indeed do wish to keep him as I have seen nothing to suggest our compensation clause will be lowered. Its a bit like a buy out fee in Spain being set at way above the players value (Martin Braithwaite has a 300m one for Barca for example). If they want to sell him or offload him, they would of course accept much less and not demand that extremely high price is met.
As for Cooper hawking himself about, again I can't agree. Two bigger clubs appear to wish to speak to him (understandable after the 2 years of play off finishes here)... and he appears willing to listen to what they say, that isn't touting himself, or hawking himself or any other description people seem to want to state. Seems a normal response to such a situation. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 10:44]
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I think that is what will happen. If he agrees a deal with Fulham or anyone else (which he is seemingly, openly at liberty to do), we will negotiate on the compensation.
As you say, Fulham looking elsewhere is too big a risk. He wants to move on and we’re hardly fighting tooth and nail to keep him. | | | |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 08:54 - Jun 29 with 404 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 08:45 - Jun 29 by jack247 |
I think that is what will happen. If he agrees a deal with Fulham or anyone else (which he is seemingly, openly at liberty to do), we will negotiate on the compensation.
As you say, Fulham looking elsewhere is too big a risk. He wants to move on and we’re hardly fighting tooth and nail to keep him. |
Demanding people pay the clause is essentially fighting to keep him.
You can't stop people talking to each other in this day and age, especially when the alternative to him leaving is him staying and having to lead the side again. We need to act right by him too as a club.
That's where I feel we are now. If we want him to go, then we will agree almost any price like Fulham did with Parker. If we are reluctantly accepting that we must allow him to leave then the compensation will be in the multi millions.
So it's down to Fulham's negotiating skills and if they can hit that sweet spot that represents enough of a compensation package to tempt us. As I said, I guess that would need to be in the Martinez and above region. 2m+ | |
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:04 - Jun 29 with 389 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 08:54 - Jun 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
Demanding people pay the clause is essentially fighting to keep him.
You can't stop people talking to each other in this day and age, especially when the alternative to him leaving is him staying and having to lead the side again. We need to act right by him too as a club.
That's where I feel we are now. If we want him to go, then we will agree almost any price like Fulham did with Parker. If we are reluctantly accepting that we must allow him to leave then the compensation will be in the multi millions.
So it's down to Fulham's negotiating skills and if they can hit that sweet spot that represents enough of a compensation package to tempt us. As I said, I guess that would need to be in the Martinez and above region. 2m+ |
Any price? Or for free like you told the world yesterday.
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:06 - Jun 29 with 385 views | jack247 |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 08:54 - Jun 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
Demanding people pay the clause is essentially fighting to keep him.
You can't stop people talking to each other in this day and age, especially when the alternative to him leaving is him staying and having to lead the side again. We need to act right by him too as a club.
That's where I feel we are now. If we want him to go, then we will agree almost any price like Fulham did with Parker. If we are reluctantly accepting that we must allow him to leave then the compensation will be in the multi millions.
So it's down to Fulham's negotiating skills and if they can hit that sweet spot that represents enough of a compensation package to tempt us. As I said, I guess that would need to be in the Martinez and above region. 2m+ |
All we have to do if we want to keep him is say the £3.5m is non negotiable. If a club still chooses to pay that, we have done all we can. | | | |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:07 - Jun 29 with 377 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:04 - Jun 29 by 34dfgdf54 |
Any price? Or for free like you told the world yesterday.
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You told me it was free from your Tweet that you didn't read. Seems you were wrong and it was next to nothing instead.
You really should read what you are posting. But that isn't the first time I have told you that is it? | |
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:08 - Jun 29 with 379 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 08:33 - Jun 29 by Catullus |
I've been to Aldershot, not an enjoyable trip. Calling people "faux fans" when you have no idea how long they've supported our team or how much money, time and effort has been put into following them up and down the country is a joke really. |
The fact that he thinks (in his tiny 16 year old brain) that Cooper has been a success tells me he only started going down the Liberty post Laudrup. | |
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:15 - Jun 29 with 366 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:06 - Jun 29 by jack247 |
All we have to do if we want to keep him is say the £3.5m is non negotiable. If a club still chooses to pay that, we have done all we can. |
Not quite as easy as that, because again having a manager stay is one thing, having a manager stay that is willingly committed with a good working relationship is another. Fulham will also know this.
We will have to balance between what is good for the club both financially and otherwise. I can see us reluctantly moving from the current buy out as its a pretty wild figure and settling for no less than a multi million deal. | |
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:20 - Jun 29 with 352 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:08 - Jun 29 by Brynmill_Jack |
The fact that he thinks (in his tiny 16 year old brain) that Cooper has been a success tells me he only started going down the Liberty post Laudrup. |
I think that is pretty harsh to slate someone for their age.
But he would of course be correct, Cooper has been a success. Resoundingly so. In fact if you take away one of the best managers in Europe in Rodgers, he has been our most successful manager in our Championship history.
Without question.
That is the reason Premier League Palace and favorites for the Premier League Fulham want him. That much is obvious, its such a bizarre pantomime on here at the moment with people pretending otherwise. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 9:22]
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:22 - Jun 29 with 348 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:07 - Jun 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
You told me it was free from your Tweet that you didn't read. Seems you were wrong and it was next to nothing instead.
You really should read what you are posting. But that isn't the first time I have told you that is it? |
I think you need to take your own advice there. The tweet I posted was a perfect example of a supporter criticising their club, for letting a manager get headhunted just before pre season. There was nothing in the tweet regarding it was free, it said Mutual Termination, which came about due to Bournemouth paying compensation. Keep up mun. | | | |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:23 - Jun 29 with 342 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:06 - Jun 29 by jack247 |
All we have to do if we want to keep him is say the £3.5m is non negotiable. If a club still chooses to pay that, we have done all we can. |
The strange thing is that Cooper will have f*cked himself royally if no move comes off. He’ll be tagged as the man no one wanted and when we have our bad patch he’ll be jettisoned- there will be only months left on his contract to pay up which we could easily afford to do. Then who’s going to offer him a job??? Could actually finish his career aspirations off (which would be sad as I don’t think he’s a bad bloke - just a very one dimensional manager at a club whose attitude and outlook has always been a lot more diverse since the dark days of the early 2000’s).
Obviously if we wanted to take someone like Appleton then we’d have to pay their club compo but if it’s in reasonable time we could still mount a play off challenge at least. | |
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:24 - Jun 29 with 336 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:22 - Jun 29 by 34dfgdf54 |
I think you need to take your own advice there. The tweet I posted was a perfect example of a supporter criticising their club, for letting a manager get headhunted just before pre season. There was nothing in the tweet regarding it was free, it said Mutual Termination, which came about due to Bournemouth paying compensation. Keep up mun. |
Your tweet was from Dharmesh Sheth from memory. It was implied it was free, turns out its 250k (lol).
Just reading the relief of the Fulham fans now, its very funny. You would have to be gutted being a Bournemouth fan reading these  | |
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:25 - Jun 29 with 338 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:23 - Jun 29 by Brynmill_Jack |
The strange thing is that Cooper will have f*cked himself royally if no move comes off. He’ll be tagged as the man no one wanted and when we have our bad patch he’ll be jettisoned- there will be only months left on his contract to pay up which we could easily afford to do. Then who’s going to offer him a job??? Could actually finish his career aspirations off (which would be sad as I don’t think he’s a bad bloke - just a very one dimensional manager at a club whose attitude and outlook has always been a lot more diverse since the dark days of the early 2000’s).
Obviously if we wanted to take someone like Appleton then we’d have to pay their club compo but if it’s in reasonable time we could still mount a play off challenge at least. |
He will have f*cked us royally unfortunately Brynnie, we want him gone, common sense tells us that.
We want the compo to pay for the next manager and it looks as if Fulham are going to fund that. Interesting day ahead. | | | |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:26 - Jun 29 with 332 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:23 - Jun 29 by Brynmill_Jack |
The strange thing is that Cooper will have f*cked himself royally if no move comes off. He’ll be tagged as the man no one wanted and when we have our bad patch he’ll be jettisoned- there will be only months left on his contract to pay up which we could easily afford to do. Then who’s going to offer him a job??? Could actually finish his career aspirations off (which would be sad as I don’t think he’s a bad bloke - just a very one dimensional manager at a club whose attitude and outlook has always been a lot more diverse since the dark days of the early 2000’s).
Obviously if we wanted to take someone like Appleton then we’d have to pay their club compo but if it’s in reasonable time we could still mount a play off challenge at least. |
He would be the man that both Palace and Fulham wanted.
He would only be tagged in such a way by dishonest posters trying to paint a false picture of reality for their own anti-manager agendas.
I hope he stays, just for the comedy factor and meltdowns more than anything. | |
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| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:27 - Jun 29 with 333 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| The week ‘ Cooper must go’ to everyone’s benefit on 09:25 - Jun 29 by 34dfgdf54 |
He will have f*cked us royally unfortunately Brynnie, we want him gone, common sense tells us that.
We want the compo to pay for the next manager and it looks as if Fulham are going to fund that. Interesting day ahead. |
I hope you’re right bud. I will have a few drinks to celebrate (for him obviously) IF it comes off. | |
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