| Allowing Children to get Covid 12:25 - Jul 5 with 2807 views | RonaldStump |
Professor Robert Dingwall ( a member of the joint committee on vaccination and immunisation) believes that children may be better protected by natural immunity generated through infection than by asking them to take part in the worlds biggest ever human experiment.
What do you think?
Yay or nay? |  |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 10:01 - Jul 6 with 632 views | Professor |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 09:48 - Jul 6 by Catullus |
Hey Prof, speaking as someone with Fibromyalgia, a lot of these "long covid" symptoms seem to match up with a lot of my symptoms, fatigue, dizziness, unexplained pain, brain fog, insomnia, pins and needles, depression, nausea. I haven't had covid and I was diagnosed with Fibro 10 years ago.
Is this long covid actually fibromyalgia that has been triggered by covid? They don't know what triggered mine but I suspect extreme stress. They don't know for sure what causes fibro but abnormal levels of some chemicals, changes in the central nervous system and physical or emotional stress are all linked to it.
Have I asked this before? |
No-you have not Cat.
No one has a clue why as yet (well they have some ideas), but it looks as 'Long Covid' is a few different things-in some cases neurological (like the fibromyaligia you describe), or more psychological effects in some, increased risk of stroke and cardia problems and in some longer term respiratory issues-with relapses.
Neurological problems post-infection are not new-a few thousand people get Guillain-Barre syndrome after Campylobacter food poisoning every year, but how these are triggered is not well understood. | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 10:19 - Jul 6 with 615 views | Catullus |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 10:01 - Jul 6 by Professor |
No-you have not Cat.
No one has a clue why as yet (well they have some ideas), but it looks as 'Long Covid' is a few different things-in some cases neurological (like the fibromyaligia you describe), or more psychological effects in some, increased risk of stroke and cardia problems and in some longer term respiratory issues-with relapses.
Neurological problems post-infection are not new-a few thousand people get Guillain-Barre syndrome after Campylobacter food poisoning every year, but how these are triggered is not well understood. |
Thanks Prof. Obviously I'm no expert but my personal opinion is some of these problesm are being caused by modern living, too much stress, too many unnecessary chemicals in our foods and too much cheap and rubbish food combined with our sedentary lifestyles.
We all need to eat better and get more exercise, just my opinion! | |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 11:39 - Jul 6 with 584 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 09:29 - Jul 6 by Whiterockin |
I'm just saying it is something to be considered if proved to be necessary to the long term benefit to the child. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 9:30]
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How do you prove it is for the long term benefit of the child? | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 11:40 - Jul 6 with 592 views | Professor |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 10:19 - Jul 6 by Catullus |
Thanks Prof. Obviously I'm no expert but my personal opinion is some of these problesm are being caused by modern living, too much stress, too many unnecessary chemicals in our foods and too much cheap and rubbish food combined with our sedentary lifestyles.
We all need to eat better and get more exercise, just my opinion! |
Not a bad idea Cat. | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 11:40 - Jul 6 with 583 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 09:35 - Jul 6 by Dr_Winston |
It's not just Covid. I'd introduce mandatory measles vaccinations too. We need to protect kids from the kind of cretinous parents who believe everything they see on YouTube. |
You do understand what you are proposing is against their Human Rights under the Hague convention? | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 12:52 - Jul 6 with 576 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 11:40 - Jul 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
You do understand what you are proposing is against their Human Rights under the Hague convention? |
It is ? In May 2021 the European Court of human rights decided that compulsory vaccinations of children was not a breach of human rights.
The Czech government makes it compulsory for children to have some vaccines before attending nursery school.
Vaccination are compulsory before attending schools in some countries.
What about the human rights of vaccinated children who catch deadly diseases from unvaccinated children. | |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 12:59 - Jul 6 with 568 views | onehunglow |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 12:52 - Jul 6 by felixstowe_jack |
It is ? In May 2021 the European Court of human rights decided that compulsory vaccinations of children was not a breach of human rights.
The Czech government makes it compulsory for children to have some vaccines before attending nursery school.
Vaccination are compulsory before attending schools in some countries.
What about the human rights of vaccinated children who catch deadly diseases from unvaccinated children. |
No child should catch anything that can be avoided. Children with anti vaxeers parents are at greater risk | |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 14:39 - Jul 6 with 536 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 12:52 - Jul 6 by felixstowe_jack |
It is ? In May 2021 the European Court of human rights decided that compulsory vaccinations of children was not a breach of human rights.
The Czech government makes it compulsory for children to have some vaccines before attending nursery school.
Vaccination are compulsory before attending schools in some countries.
What about the human rights of vaccinated children who catch deadly diseases from unvaccinated children. |
You can read the conflict over whether the Nuremberg code applies to COVID Vaccines.
If you believe that the public are not part of the Phase 3 trial and the government authorisation for use makes it no longer experimental then you will believe that the code does not apply.
However if like many doctors and scientists that believe that it is part of the ongoing phase 3 trial, which have not yet finished by conventional standards and also part of phase 4 trials then it does apply.
https://fullfact.org/health/nu
However that does not mean that the normal medical laws and rules do not stiil apply to them where informed consent is concerned,
See the following on informed consent.
https://eachother.org.uk/medic
http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev
Article 6. Consent.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/
https://www.graysons.co.uk/med [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 14:40]
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 14:43 - Jul 6 with 536 views | Whiterockin |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 14:39 - Jul 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
You can read the conflict over whether the Nuremberg code applies to COVID Vaccines.
If you believe that the public are not part of the Phase 3 trial and the government authorisation for use makes it no longer experimental then you will believe that the code does not apply.
However if like many doctors and scientists that believe that it is part of the ongoing phase 3 trial, which have not yet finished by conventional standards and also part of phase 4 trials then it does apply.
https://fullfact.org/health/nu
However that does not mean that the normal medical laws and rules do not stiil apply to them where informed consent is concerned,
See the following on informed consent.
https://eachother.org.uk/medic
http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev
Article 6. Consent.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/
https://www.graysons.co.uk/med [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 14:40]
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Some of those links are dated before the law changed. |  | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 15:01 - Jul 6 with 505 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 14:43 - Jul 6 by Whiterockin |
Some of those links are dated before the law changed. |
What right do the EU have to change fundemental International laws?
Do EU laws apply to britain?
Re the controversy over whether the phase 3 trials are ongoing, this is directly from the FDA website fact sheet on giving the vaccine.
"These may not be all the possible side effects of the Pfizer-BioNTechCOVID-19 Vaccine. Serious and unexpected side effects may occur.
Pfizer-BioNTechCOVID-19 Vaccine is still being studied in clinical trials." | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 15:12 - Jul 6 with 505 views | Dr_Winston |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 12:52 - Jul 6 by felixstowe_jack |
It is ? In May 2021 the European Court of human rights decided that compulsory vaccinations of children was not a breach of human rights.
The Czech government makes it compulsory for children to have some vaccines before attending nursery school.
Vaccination are compulsory before attending schools in some countries.
What about the human rights of vaccinated children who catch deadly diseases from unvaccinated children. |
That bit probably wasn't covered in the YouTube video. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 15:22 - Jul 6 with 481 views | Whiterockin |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 15:01 - Jul 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
What right do the EU have to change fundemental International laws?
Do EU laws apply to britain?
Re the controversy over whether the phase 3 trials are ongoing, this is directly from the FDA website fact sheet on giving the vaccine.
"These may not be all the possible side effects of the Pfizer-BioNTechCOVID-19 Vaccine. Serious and unexpected side effects may occur.
Pfizer-BioNTechCOVID-19 Vaccine is still being studied in clinical trials." |
You may like to read this.
https://www.bihr.org.uk/blog/w
Sorry there is no Youtube video. | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 15:22 - Jul 6 with 472 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 15:12 - Jul 6 by Dr_Winston |
That bit probably wasn't covered in the YouTube video. |
You seem quite happy that the EUCHR has overturned the international UNESCO laws that the majority of world's nations have signed up to outlined in the link I provided.
OK. | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:11 - Jul 6 with 441 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 08:15 - Jul 6 by RonaldStump |
Wow .....Just wow.
I seriously have no words. |
Thank God for that as most words you have seem quite spectacularly stupid. | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:18 - Jul 6 with 438 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 15:22 - Jul 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
You seem quite happy that the EUCHR has overturned the international UNESCO laws that the majority of world's nations have signed up to outlined in the link I provided.
OK. |
Loads of countries require mandatory vaccines for children or alternatively mandatory for school attendance. | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:57 - Jul 6 with 414 views | Dr_Winston |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 15:22 - Jul 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
You seem quite happy that the EUCHR has overturned the international UNESCO laws that the majority of world's nations have signed up to outlined in the link I provided.
OK. |
I would be quite happy to see children protected from their parents stupidity. You're quite right. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 17:09 - Jul 6 with 401 views | A_Fans_Dad |
I have read it and under UK law it is not legal as they pointed out.
Their closing section headline was compulsory vaccines are a long way off.
So what was your take on it? | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 17:13 - Jul 6 with 398 views | Whiterockin |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 17:09 - Jul 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
I have read it and under UK law it is not legal as they pointed out.
Their closing section headline was compulsory vaccines are a long way off.
So what was your take on it? |
My take on it is, its the way it will be in the future. If its needed. | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 17:15 - Jul 6 with 387 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:18 - Jul 6 by londonlisa2001 |
Loads of countries require mandatory vaccines for children or alternatively mandatory for school attendance. |
Did you bother to read the UNESCO Bio Ethics link?
Countries sign up to these international laws & rules put in place to protect everybody and especially children and then ignore them.
All for the "greater good" of course. | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 17:32 - Jul 6 with 378 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 17:15 - Jul 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
Did you bother to read the UNESCO Bio Ethics link?
Countries sign up to these international laws & rules put in place to protect everybody and especially children and then ignore them.
All for the "greater good" of course. |
Yes I did read it.
I simply said that loads of countries require compulsory vaccinations for children. I didn’t give my view. I will though if you want.
Ethically, the dilemma is between the rights of the individual, as outlined in the UNESCO document and the rights of society at large.
There is no question in my mind that where the health of another is not affected, an individual should have the absolute right to refuse medical treatment, intervention etc whether treatment or preventative. Or to choose which of two or more medical interventions or treatments they prefer.
However, that right should not take precedence over the health of society as a whole if treatment is required to illness or death in others.
If the judgment of the experts is that the vaccines are safe in children and that the benefits outweigh the risks to them as individuals (the benefits would then automatically outweigh the risks for society) then those vaccines being mandatory is, in my view, fine if the uptake was not high enough. I’d rather it was made available in the first instance in the hope that most parents aren’t dribbling idiots, but if it proved necessary then it being compulsory for school attendance (I don’t think they’d make it mandatory beyond that) that’s ok. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 17:33]
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 18:03 - Jul 6 with 357 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 17:32 - Jul 6 by londonlisa2001 |
Yes I did read it.
I simply said that loads of countries require compulsory vaccinations for children. I didn’t give my view. I will though if you want.
Ethically, the dilemma is between the rights of the individual, as outlined in the UNESCO document and the rights of society at large.
There is no question in my mind that where the health of another is not affected, an individual should have the absolute right to refuse medical treatment, intervention etc whether treatment or preventative. Or to choose which of two or more medical interventions or treatments they prefer.
However, that right should not take precedence over the health of society as a whole if treatment is required to illness or death in others.
If the judgment of the experts is that the vaccines are safe in children and that the benefits outweigh the risks to them as individuals (the benefits would then automatically outweigh the risks for society) then those vaccines being mandatory is, in my view, fine if the uptake was not high enough. I’d rather it was made available in the first instance in the hope that most parents aren’t dribbling idiots, but if it proved necessary then it being compulsory for school attendance (I don’t think they’d make it mandatory beyond that) that’s ok. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 17:33]
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What "experts" will you accept that the vaccines are safe for children?
The WHO says they don't have enough data and they should not be given to them.
Many doctors suggest they are too dangerous.
So who would satisfy your personal requirements?
Similarly who is being protected, them or older people? [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 18:04]
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| Allowing Children to get Covid on 18:22 - Jul 6 with 339 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 18:03 - Jul 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
What "experts" will you accept that the vaccines are safe for children?
The WHO says they don't have enough data and they should not be given to them.
Many doctors suggest they are too dangerous.
So who would satisfy your personal requirements?
Similarly who is being protected, them or older people? [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 18:04]
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The JCVI.
If the benefits of having the vaccine outweigh the benefits of not having the vaccine in kids (which has been quite clearly stated is the test for it to happen) then both they and older people are being protected.
Now you’ll say that the JCVI are not to be trusted as you read something on the internet by Dr Bubba Moron that shows them to be corrupt puppets of Bill Gates and I will simply think once again that I can’t quite believe an adult can be so utterly deluded.
Rinse and repeat. | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 18:27 - Jul 6 with 336 views | howenjack |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 16:57 - Jul 6 by Dr_Winston |
I would be quite happy to see children protected from their parents stupidity. You're quite right. |
Stupid pare https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne like this you mean???? | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 18:28 - Jul 6 with 335 views | BillyChong |
I think AFD has been reading lovetrump.com again | | | |
| Allowing Children to get Covid on 18:37 - Jul 6 with 330 views | londonlisa2001 |
Every single medicine we all take has a tiny risk of harm to an individual. Every single one.
Even if these cases are linked to the vaccine (which at present hasn’t happened, it’s just speculation) it doesn’t change the fact that the vaccine benefits far outweigh the dangers for society. For the individual of course and their families it’s an awful thing to happen.
The vaccines are saving thousands of lives though. | | | |
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