| One for Keith and Mods 17:53 - Sep 11 with 5439 views | onehunglow |
Is this site about debate or what
Does it mean debate only if opinions seen to be negative are allowed or not.
We are seeing hate posts my way because I do not like the way things are right now.
Winston is in full hate mode and getting away with stuff you said wasn’t allowed.
Why do I have to tolerate this garbage
Do we really have to sing from the same hymn sheet or not.
Is it really this bad.
Debate means two sides and without it ,life is nothing.
Right now,nobody can guarantee anything lathered is hope,no more. no less too.
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| One for Keith and Mods on 22:14 - Sep 11 with 917 views | Catullus |
| One for Keith and Mods on 22:08 - Sep 11 by jackrmee |
Whoever was booing the team at the ground today should be ashamed of themselves.
Obviously don't care about our young player or the club.
We need o be helping the team and giving them confidence, not taking it away. Absolutely pathetic bunch of idiotic fools IMO. |
I didn't hear anyone booing today, maybe that's the proof of the improvement. Most people I spoke too were very upbeat because the improvement was clear and...we should have had a penalty!
The worst thing about today was, on a few ocassions we passed backwards when a forward pass was on, it wasn't just Grimes either.
It takes time to build the trust and confidence in each other. We need to support them through that. | |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 22:17 - Sep 11 with 915 views | jackrmee |
| One for Keith and Mods on 22:14 - Sep 11 by Catullus |
I didn't hear anyone booing today, maybe that's the proof of the improvement. Most people I spoke too were very upbeat because the improvement was clear and...we should have had a penalty!
The worst thing about today was, on a few ocassions we passed backwards when a forward pass was on, it wasn't just Grimes either.
It takes time to build the trust and confidence in each other. We need to support them through that. |
AH right. Someone said earlier that a section of the east were booing at the end. |  |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 22:56 - Sep 11 with 879 views | AndyCole |
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An excellent thread, and fair play to the OP for posting this right now when the feeble sheeple are amassing. The hate and gang mentality bullies you've been subjected to on this thread alone is disgusting. And it's becoming rife on here. Bullying of the worst kind.
It's disappointing how the more carefully considered (cleverer) opinions are ganged up upon nowadays. A growing trend of bullying against anybody who dares voice an opinion against the sheeple.
You've clearly hit a nerve with this thread. And hats off to you. Let's hope the Mods see what is so obvious to most intelligent people.
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| One for Keith and Mods on 23:31 - Sep 11 with 844 views | WalterBoyd |
| One for Keith and Mods on 22:56 - Sep 11 by AndyCole |
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An excellent thread, and fair play to the OP for posting this right now when the feeble sheeple are amassing. The hate and gang mentality bullies you've been subjected to on this thread alone is disgusting. And it's becoming rife on here. Bullying of the worst kind.
It's disappointing how the more carefully considered (cleverer) opinions are ganged up upon nowadays. A growing trend of bullying against anybody who dares voice an opinion against the sheeple.
You've clearly hit a nerve with this thread. And hats off to you. Let's hope the Mods see what is so obvious to most intelligent people.
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Andy, you are obviously a WUM.
Read your posts.
No other poster criticizes other posters and Swans fans than you do.
No other poster tries to shut down debate more than you.
You love the "feeble sheeple" term. Been using it since....
Grow up. | | | |
| One for Keith and Mods on 23:37 - Sep 11 with 838 views | Whiterockin |
| One for Keith and Mods on 22:56 - Sep 11 by AndyCole |
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An excellent thread, and fair play to the OP for posting this right now when the feeble sheeple are amassing. The hate and gang mentality bullies you've been subjected to on this thread alone is disgusting. And it's becoming rife on here. Bullying of the worst kind.
It's disappointing how the more carefully considered (cleverer) opinions are ganged up upon nowadays. A growing trend of bullying against anybody who dares voice an opinion against the sheeple.
You've clearly hit a nerve with this thread. And hats off to you. Let's hope the Mods see what is so obvious to most intelligent people.
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You need to accept that if you dish it out you get it back. |  | | |
| One for Keith and Mods on 02:24 - Sep 12 with 768 views | DJack |
Oh balls to it!
Andy Cole (for those who have not twigged) is Wingstandwood...you know, "elf and safety", "Matthew Hopkins, witchfinder" etc.
He is a total sad sack and a drill bit (boring tool).
Most importantly, he IS A COWARD as he posts this guff under a different username... much like that "delightful" poster Ronald Stump.
So if like me, you post here for Swans stuff and to help Keith and his daughter then ignore these buffoons and keep it on point. Yes it (may) mean(s) Keith earns a little less to support his daughter but it also guarantees this sites future, rather than see it go down the sh*tt*r.
As an athiest i say that SCFC is a church for all and not the few- together stronger. |  |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 02:27 - Sep 12 with 764 views | WalterBoyd |
| One for Keith and Mods on 02:24 - Sep 12 by DJack |
Oh balls to it!
Andy Cole (for those who have not twigged) is Wingstandwood...you know, "elf and safety", "Matthew Hopkins, witchfinder" etc.
He is a total sad sack and a drill bit (boring tool).
Most importantly, he IS A COWARD as he posts this guff under a different username... much like that "delightful" poster Ronald Stump.
So if like me, you post here for Swans stuff and to help Keith and his daughter then ignore these buffoons and keep it on point. Yes it (may) mean(s) Keith earns a little less to support his daughter but it also guarantees this sites future, rather than see it go down the sh*tt*r.
As an athiest i say that SCFC is a church for all and not the few- together stronger. |
Well said.
Here for a greater cause. | | | |
| One for Keith and Mods on 08:36 - Sep 12 with 705 views | Boundy |
| One for Keith and Mods on 22:17 - Sep 11 by jackrmee |
AH right. Someone said earlier that a section of the east were booing at the end. |
There was muted booing on the final whistle, and finished as quickly as it started. I wouldn't have thought it would have been heard throughout the rest of the ground ,there was a large round of applause when the Manager strolled over . | |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 08:50 - Sep 12 with 689 views | onehunglow |
Booing aint the answer though.
It does though show people at least give a monkey instead if accepting second best,which i what we are and have been conditioned to by the Owners.
We're "skint" so don't expect any glory especially promotion. This is in contrast to clubs who are ambitious and want the next level-upwards. Our fans have had their dreams detroyed and hopes dumbed down and yet when somebody says this the "great" poster defines them as "utter and complete morons". Yeah-for having a view on a football club,MORON.
How is that not hate speech.
Sadly,there still appears to be a clique on here Keith who are trying to drag this site down by insulting others directly for not being as sanguine as them.
Hate is Hate is Hate.
When people bring up previous spats from TEN years ago,that is Hate.
Free speech ? Yes or No? | |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 10:23 - Sep 12 with 651 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| One for Keith and Mods on 02:24 - Sep 12 by DJack |
Oh balls to it!
Andy Cole (for those who have not twigged) is Wingstandwood...you know, "elf and safety", "Matthew Hopkins, witchfinder" etc.
He is a total sad sack and a drill bit (boring tool).
Most importantly, he IS A COWARD as he posts this guff under a different username... much like that "delightful" poster Ronald Stump.
So if like me, you post here for Swans stuff and to help Keith and his daughter then ignore these buffoons and keep it on point. Yes it (may) mean(s) Keith earns a little less to support his daughter but it also guarantees this sites future, rather than see it go down the sh*tt*r.
As an athiest i say that SCFC is a church for all and not the few- together stronger. |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 10:34 - Sep 12 with 638 views | ItchySphincter |
| One for Keith and Mods on 22:56 - Sep 11 by AndyCole |
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An excellent thread, and fair play to the OP for posting this right now when the feeble sheeple are amassing. The hate and gang mentality bullies you've been subjected to on this thread alone is disgusting. And it's becoming rife on here. Bullying of the worst kind.
It's disappointing how the more carefully considered (cleverer) opinions are ganged up upon nowadays. A growing trend of bullying against anybody who dares voice an opinion against the sheeple.
You've clearly hit a nerve with this thread. And hats off to you. Let's hope the Mods see what is so obvious to most intelligent people.
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Can you give an example of bullying on this thread please? |  |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 10:36 - Sep 12 with 634 views | ItchySphincter |
| One for Keith and Mods on 08:50 - Sep 12 by onehunglow |
Booing aint the answer though.
It does though show people at least give a monkey instead if accepting second best,which i what we are and have been conditioned to by the Owners.
We're "skint" so don't expect any glory especially promotion. This is in contrast to clubs who are ambitious and want the next level-upwards. Our fans have had their dreams detroyed and hopes dumbed down and yet when somebody says this the "great" poster defines them as "utter and complete morons". Yeah-for having a view on a football club,MORON.
How is that not hate speech.
Sadly,there still appears to be a clique on here Keith who are trying to drag this site down by insulting others directly for not being as sanguine as them.
Hate is Hate is Hate.
When people bring up previous spats from TEN years ago,that is Hate.
Free speech ? Yes or No? |
Could you give an example of the ‘hate’ in this thread please. | |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 11:20 - Sep 12 with 619 views | onehunglow |
| One for Keith and Mods on 10:23 - Sep 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
Are you ok? |
That penultimate paragraph to me is very offensive.Utterlu no need for that. Shameful.
This site is about inclusivity,fairnes,free speech and fans being able to pot whatever they like so long as it is not hate speech which is exactly what djack has come up with there.
We should be able to accept any opinion however "bizarre" and against the flow of the majority. Too many are misrepresenting what we are about and you simply cannot see it .Open you eyes and your hearts.
I ll give you some further tips.
I detested Steve Cooper .AC loved him. However we accepted we saw things differently. We have not referred to each other as morons;we have kept it civil. I would buy him several pints any time and ay what I say on this site to his face,as I would to any of you.
Get a grip and move on.
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| One for Keith and Mods on 11:23 - Sep 12 with 609 views | ItchySphincter |
There appears to be a critical lack of self-awareness present. | |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 11:40 - Sep 12 with 600 views | jack_lord |
| One for Keith and Mods on 21:57 - Sep 11 by Catullus |
TWO WEEKS though, did anyone expect this much improvement this soon? Only if they are being unreasonable in my book.
9 new players to bed in, a new style, a poor pre season, all in all Martin deseres some more time. Attacking him now is just self harm because the team is definitely improving AND if we get on their case now, start boomg and complaining what will it achieve?
If Martin left this week who do you expaect we could bring in who would play football the way we want AND get results?
This is very much a case of be careful what you wish for because if Martin were to go the next manager would be from the deepest bargain basement! |
Yes two weeks is great is you are setting your tactics to play one team but as you say does anyone expect improvement this soon as the two weeks as been educating the new style and integrating the new players while at the same time setting up Hul and Miwwaw.
There was definite improvement but we struggled to break the final ball and should have won by at least a couple if things had been slightly different. I found it excruciating when Manning was brought on as it possibly showed how our manager thinks from the back first. |  |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 11:41 - Sep 12 with 599 views | onehunglow |
It's a problem when views are entrenched without question.
When all agree on a forum it outserves its purpose.
We are seeing horrendous bullying right now YET when it's outed ,it is called " crying ".
The same sentiments have been said to other subjects of group bullying. | |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 11:42 - Sep 12 with 597 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| One for Keith and Mods on 11:40 - Sep 12 by jack_lord |
Yes two weeks is great is you are setting your tactics to play one team but as you say does anyone expect improvement this soon as the two weeks as been educating the new style and integrating the new players while at the same time setting up Hul and Miwwaw.
There was definite improvement but we struggled to break the final ball and should have won by at least a couple if things had been slightly different. I found it excruciating when Manning was brought on as it possibly showed how our manager thinks from the back first. |
Are you able to tell me any manager in the last 25 years who has needed this long (and months longer again according to some) to change a style and see some results?
Why is this suddenly become a thing when it never has been previously? | |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 11:46 - Sep 12 with 593 views | onehunglow |
| One for Keith and Mods on 11:40 - Sep 12 by jack_lord |
Yes two weeks is great is you are setting your tactics to play one team but as you say does anyone expect improvement this soon as the two weeks as been educating the new style and integrating the new players while at the same time setting up Hul and Miwwaw.
There was definite improvement but we struggled to break the final ball and should have won by at least a couple if things had been slightly different. I found it excruciating when Manning was brought on as it possibly showed how our manager thinks from the back first. |
Indeed.
Manning coming on virtually ensured a draw.
Where was Whittaker | |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 11:49 - Sep 12 with 589 views | onehunglow |
| One for Keith and Mods on 11:42 - Sep 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
Are you able to tell me any manager in the last 25 years who has needed this long (and months longer again according to some) to change a style and see some results?
Why is this suddenly become a thing when it never has been previously? |
We are ok at the back
Flooded in midfield with talent YET utterly unable to break down a side like Hull.
What "hard work" was done on the last 2 weeks.
Russy is a coach and anyone can see our issue . It cannot be that hard .Ir maybe it is for him.
Dropping Benda and selecting Cullen as a bencher should alone bring worries .
As for Manning coming on -really boys... | |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 12:04 - Sep 12 with 572 views | Evs |
| One for Keith and Mods on 11:42 - Sep 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
Are you able to tell me any manager in the last 25 years who has needed this long (and months longer again according to some) to change a style and see some results?
Why is this suddenly become a thing when it never has been previously? |
One name immediately springs to mind - Russell Martin at MK Dons. |  | | |
| One for Keith and Mods on 12:13 - Sep 12 with 555 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| One for Keith and Mods on 12:04 - Sep 12 by Evs |
One name immediately springs to mind - Russell Martin at MK Dons. |
I was talking about us, many managers have come in and changed the style and nobody has needed months on end before showing acceptable results. Bob Bradley aside, who was only given a matter of months before rightly being given the elbow.
So I find it strange that there seems to be some kind of myth building that this is somehow standard fare. It isn’t.
Let alone after spending more in one season than any other football league season in the clubs history.
But just to address the point, 12 points in 8 games Martin got for MK Dons. That was certainly acceptable for a club like them, would be nice if he can get that return for us too (although now impossible to reach being on 5 points after 6 games). [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 12:17]
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| One for Keith and Mods on 12:26 - Sep 12 with 544 views | Evs |
| One for Keith and Mods on 12:13 - Sep 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
I was talking about us, many managers have come in and changed the style and nobody has needed months on end before showing acceptable results. Bob Bradley aside, who was only given a matter of months before rightly being given the elbow.
So I find it strange that there seems to be some kind of myth building that this is somehow standard fare. It isn’t.
Let alone after spending more in one season than any other football league season in the clubs history.
But just to address the point, 12 points in 8 games Martin got for MK Dons. That was certainly acceptable for a club like them, would be nice if he can get that return for us too (although now impossible to reach being on 5 points after 6 games). [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 12:17]
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Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I think RM has stated on more than one occasion that "there will be pain". Some fans have naturally tempered their expectations accordingly, others haven't. I don't see myth building.
I can't speak for anyone else but I'm not worried in the slightest at the results to date which I deem acceptable. I appreciate your view is totally different.
The owners might lose their nerve and RM might go the same way as BB. Time will tell. | | | |
| One for Keith and Mods on 12:31 - Sep 12 with 539 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| One for Keith and Mods on 12:26 - Sep 12 by Evs |
Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I think RM has stated on more than one occasion that "there will be pain". Some fans have naturally tempered their expectations accordingly, others haven't. I don't see myth building.
I can't speak for anyone else but I'm not worried in the slightest at the results to date which I deem acceptable. I appreciate your view is totally different.
The owners might lose their nerve and RM might go the same way as BB. Time will tell. |
Well the myth is that there needs to be months of poor results before we see them.
There doesn’t, history tells us this.
It may take months to perfect a style, but perfection isn’t what some of us are expecting, we can wait for that.
Again, name a single manager in the last quarter of a century for us that has needed months and months to see some acceptable results.
Bob Bradley said he was slowly turning us around too didn’t he? | |
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| One for Keith and Mods on 12:48 - Sep 12 with 524 views | Evs |
| One for Keith and Mods on 12:31 - Sep 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
Well the myth is that there needs to be months of poor results before we see them.
There doesn’t, history tells us this.
It may take months to perfect a style, but perfection isn’t what some of us are expecting, we can wait for that.
Again, name a single manager in the last quarter of a century for us that has needed months and months to see some acceptable results.
Bob Bradley said he was slowly turning us around too didn’t he? |
This is where we have vastly differing points of view - and that's healthy.
The results *are* acceptable, in my opinion. Based on my belief that performances and results will follow in due course and we'll end the season mid-table. (I could be wrong, but as yet, I'm not - the trajectory is pretty much as I expected).
I don't see the relevance of the last 25 years. I'm living in the here and now. | | | |
| One for Keith and Mods on 13:19 - Sep 12 with 487 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| One for Keith and Mods on 12:48 - Sep 12 by Evs |
This is where we have vastly differing points of view - and that's healthy.
The results *are* acceptable, in my opinion. Based on my belief that performances and results will follow in due course and we'll end the season mid-table. (I could be wrong, but as yet, I'm not - the trajectory is pretty much as I expected).
I don't see the relevance of the last 25 years. I'm living in the here and now. |
History tells us what is fair to expect.
So if it hasn’t been a requirement before, in far more adverse circumstances, then why is it suddenly a requirement now?
It doesn’t make much logical sense.
This isn’t a manager who has bags of experience you can bet your club on. This is a guy from MK Dons who took them to 13th in the league.
When that is the case there needs to be continuous evidence that the methods that are being implemented is working. Again, we have spent more in this season than any other football league season in our history.
5 points from 6 games is not “acceptable results”. That’s the form that gets 38 points over the course of the season. If we look at last seasons table, that would put us bottom of the table by 7 points. | |
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