| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended 18:57 - Sep 16 with 1775 views | onehunglow |
Derby being deducted points means they will probably be candudtstes to go down,leaving one less space for us to fill.
Two nil nil draws and still excuses being made
This fella is talking bug and producing zero folks.
Sorry but you have to be more cynical and questioning if his plan,if it is a plan,which to me reads that he will play pretty football whatever the pain. He s said as much. So I’m not too keen on my club playing Forest a green in the league even though it’s another sever side derby and an easy trip.
I hated Cooper but this fella could prove to be the most despised I can remember and I’ve seen em all.
And….we are stuck with Russ. We must all be positive and accept what hat Russ says even if cue are bottom as Russ says it’s work in progress. That s a cracker is that. It’s his insurance pitch which we seem to have swallowed whole.
I’ve pitched to plenty in my time but Russys pitch seems to have eclipsed anything I could come up with.
This OP will get personal insults,brickbats,snide remarks and subtle abuse so fire ahead. Where I am right now means internet is ,as they say,patchy. Wales is truly backward in many areas and many love it for that .
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 23:00 - Sep 16 with 1310 views | max936 |
Can't stand Dyche myself to be honest. |  |
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 23:01 - Sep 16 with 1309 views | WalterBoyd |
"This OP will get personal insults,brickbats,snide remarks and subtle abuse so fire ahead".
We are used to the negativity and bored of it to be honest, so I cant see any abuse coming.
I am sure you don't want any and didn't post for a reaction, so happy days, you won't get any.
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 23:33 - Sep 16 with 1283 views | KeithHaynes |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 23:00 - Sep 16 by max936 |
Can't stand Dyche myself to be honest. |
They’ve gained far more than they would have had they sacked him when relegated. |  |
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 23:36 - Sep 16 with 1277 views | max936 |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 23:33 - Sep 16 by KeithHaynes |
They’ve gained far more than they would have had they sacked him when relegated. |
I just can’t stand the man, don’t doubt his ability as a football manger/coach etc, l just detest the bloke. | |
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 23:53 - Sep 16 with 1241 views | Dr_Parnassus |
In terms of Derby, they have shown themselves capable of picking up a modest amount of points despite their on pitch deficiencies, so even with a 9 point deduction, I wouldn't be writing them off, they would only be 7 points from safety.
In terms of Martin, I know what you mean regarding the notion of ''it's a work in progress''. Bit of a fallacy really, as every manager that comes in, the job is a work in progress. Bob Bradley would, I am sure, have said similar.
When taking on what is essentially a rookie manager (he's younger than me which blows my mind), you need to monitor the situation constantly. You cannot ''set and forget'' with a rookie manager. Was the same with Cooper, was the same with Martinez too to a certain extent, although expectation a lot lower back then.
Our problem was, when we first implemented this style, we didn't have much to lose... plus it then showed immediate results (play offs first season, won our first 4 of 6). Implementing it now, when the club is still in a bit of a precarious position financially plus all the overheads of our infrastructure - we have A LOT to lose and relegation is not an option for us.
There are certain managers that have such a track record that you can allow some bumps in the road and put the faith of the clubs fate in their hands. Dyche as the example above showed, he has ''runs on the board'' as it were, you know what you get with Dyche.
Martin simply has a season and a half at MK dons who he steered to 19th and 13th, it's not a lot of history to risk the club on. Same with Bradley, very little European football experience, no English experience - him saying ''it will improve'' doesn't quite land the same considering you are risking the club on him being right.
Its a bit like a player, if you stick a rookie up front and he is firing blanks, you are less likely to stick with him than if a proven goal scorer was firing blanks. Management is no different in that respect, the stronger your CV the more leeway you can be afforded.
I can absolutely look past the opening games. He didn't have his team there at that point, but coming up to his 10th game in charge. Spent millions in the window to get the players he wants in. Had the international break to provide a starting base. For me, the time to judge our performances comes from that marker.
Two 0-0 draws at home to likely league strugglers is not an inspiring start. But I am by no means writing him off, he clearly has some ideas about a style of play that many people like and seems a really decent human being, plus brought in some really good players.
Piroe looks a real quality striker, love his movement and eye for goal. Ntcham looks like he has a bit of class about him as does Downes. Williams I think is a cut above and Laird looks like he has some real quality.
But we need performances and results now. 70% possession and then hoping to nick a penalty or a free kick won't cut it. [Post edited 16 Sep 2021 23:56]
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:08 - Sep 17 with 1240 views | TenbySwan |
Not brilliant but we were unfortunate not to win Wednesday. I'm still optimistic things will improve |  | | |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:24 - Sep 17 with 1231 views | AndyCole |
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Another excellent thread OHL and a worthy challenge to the meek who of course, will have no way of knowing how to respond without someone to guide them, as per.
How an earth can anybody say trust in Martin ? Who is Martin ? Beyond bonkers rationale. Winter appointed him and if anyone has seen Winter's interviews, and listened to Trust officials who say Winter's days are numbered, they must surely have grave concerns.
Martin seems distracted, unable to focus on finding a winning formula. Something his predecessor was famous for. Even the dumbest fans must see what Martin needs to do to win. What's occurring to prevent Martin choosing to see this too ?
Something's not right......
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:25 - Sep 17 with 1229 views | WalterBoyd |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:08 - Sep 17 by TenbySwan |
Not brilliant but we were unfortunate not to win Wednesday. I'm still optimistic things will improve |
Things will get better. It still early days. Managers need time to develop a team.
Some fans struggle to understand.
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:31 - Sep 17 with 1201 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:25 - Sep 17 by WalterBoyd |
Things will get better. It still early days. Managers need time to develop a team.
Some fans struggle to understand.
We can all see what is happening on the pitch. The main moaners rarely attend matches thankfully. |
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:37 - Sep 17 with 1208 views | WalterBoyd |
On Wednesday at the Liberty, at about 40 mins, 2 or 3 blokes starting booing at the back of the East, bloke a few rows down stands up and shouts , not sure ifI can say this on this site, I'll water it down " shut up you f###### p#####. In all fairness, they didn't boo agsin until the final whistle " just after the guy who had earlier pointed out their error had left his seat to head home.
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:39 - Sep 17 with 1188 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:37 - Sep 17 by WalterBoyd |
On Wednesday at the Liberty, at about 40 mins, 2 or 3 blokes starting booing at the back of the East, bloke a few rows down stands up and shouts , not sure ifI can say this on this site, I'll water it down " shut up you f###### p#####. In all fairness, they didn't boo agsin until the final whistle " just after the guy who had earlier pointed out their error had left his seat to head home.
Won't get that on Sky Australia |
Cool story.
Utterly pointless of course, but cool. | |
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:46 - Sep 17 with 1189 views | WalterBoyd |
Only 2 or 3 idiots out of a stand that holds thousands. Fairplay, most fans understand football and support both the team and manager. | | | |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:49 - Sep 17 with 1173 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:46 - Sep 17 by WalterBoyd |
Only 2 or 3 idiots out of a stand that holds thousands. Fairplay, most fans understand football and support both the team and manager. |
I love the fact you have pretended to put me on ignore meaning you cant be seen as respond to me, so you have to keep repeating generic meaningless sentences....
As if you would have posted 3 times in a row on this thread repeating that drivel. You are going to need another re-think here aren't you.  | |
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 09:10 - Sep 17 with 1016 views | onehunglow |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 23:01 - Sep 16 by WalterBoyd |
"This OP will get personal insults,brickbats,snide remarks and subtle abuse so fire ahead".
We are used to the negativity and bored of it to be honest, so I cant see any abuse coming.
I am sure you don't want any and didn't post for a reaction, so happy days, you won't get any.
Enjoy the evening . |
don’t be bored Walt.
Read some Russy,watch his interviews,breathe in the positive vibes | |
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 09:12 - Sep 17 with 1009 views | onehunglow |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:25 - Sep 17 by WalterBoyd |
Things will get better. It still early days. Managers need time to develop a team.
Some fans struggle to understand.
We can all see what is happening on the pitch. The main moaners rarely attend matches thankfully. |
Things will only get better. That reminds me of Kinnock days and the lovely wife of us .
Things can only get better
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 09:14 - Sep 17 with 1008 views | onehunglow |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:49 - Sep 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
I love the fact you have pretended to put me on ignore meaning you cant be seen as respond to me, so you have to keep repeating generic meaningless sentences....
As if you would have posted 3 times in a row on this thread repeating that drivel. You are going to need another re-think here aren't you. |
Supporting the club is important too.
It means not swallowing drivel from managers who are simply looking after No 1. | |
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 11:33 - Sep 17 with 956 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 23:53 - Sep 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
In terms of Derby, they have shown themselves capable of picking up a modest amount of points despite their on pitch deficiencies, so even with a 9 point deduction, I wouldn't be writing them off, they would only be 7 points from safety.
In terms of Martin, I know what you mean regarding the notion of ''it's a work in progress''. Bit of a fallacy really, as every manager that comes in, the job is a work in progress. Bob Bradley would, I am sure, have said similar.
When taking on what is essentially a rookie manager (he's younger than me which blows my mind), you need to monitor the situation constantly. You cannot ''set and forget'' with a rookie manager. Was the same with Cooper, was the same with Martinez too to a certain extent, although expectation a lot lower back then.
Our problem was, when we first implemented this style, we didn't have much to lose... plus it then showed immediate results (play offs first season, won our first 4 of 6). Implementing it now, when the club is still in a bit of a precarious position financially plus all the overheads of our infrastructure - we have A LOT to lose and relegation is not an option for us.
There are certain managers that have such a track record that you can allow some bumps in the road and put the faith of the clubs fate in their hands. Dyche as the example above showed, he has ''runs on the board'' as it were, you know what you get with Dyche.
Martin simply has a season and a half at MK dons who he steered to 19th and 13th, it's not a lot of history to risk the club on. Same with Bradley, very little European football experience, no English experience - him saying ''it will improve'' doesn't quite land the same considering you are risking the club on him being right.
Its a bit like a player, if you stick a rookie up front and he is firing blanks, you are less likely to stick with him than if a proven goal scorer was firing blanks. Management is no different in that respect, the stronger your CV the more leeway you can be afforded.
I can absolutely look past the opening games. He didn't have his team there at that point, but coming up to his 10th game in charge. Spent millions in the window to get the players he wants in. Had the international break to provide a starting base. For me, the time to judge our performances comes from that marker.
Two 0-0 draws at home to likely league strugglers is not an inspiring start. But I am by no means writing him off, he clearly has some ideas about a style of play that many people like and seems a really decent human being, plus brought in some really good players.
Piroe looks a real quality striker, love his movement and eye for goal. Ntcham looks like he has a bit of class about him as does Downes. Williams I think is a cut above and Laird looks like he has some real quality.
But we need performances and results now. 70% possession and then hoping to nick a penalty or a free kick won't cut it. [Post edited 16 Sep 2021 23:56]
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The last 3 paragraphs are spot on
The time to judge is 6-8 games after the window - he has his players now
He's talked big and needs to deliver
There are promising signs the last couple of games even if results not ideal that we are getting somewhere, this improvement needs to continue [Post edited 17 Sep 2021 11:36]
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 11:47 - Sep 17 with 925 views | Catullus |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 00:46 - Sep 17 by WalterBoyd |
Only 2 or 3 idiots out of a stand that holds thousands. Fairplay, most fans understand football and support both the team and manager. |
There were probably in excess of 4000 in the East stand which shows the vast majority are either happy with what's happening or more likely they are giving Martin the time to do his job before judging.
I think the OP is a chronic over reaction, he may be right of course and I may be vastly wrong but we'll see in time. I'm allowing Martin the space to get things done, allowing him the time without heaping extra pressure on. The time may come when that changes but it certainly wasn't going to be after 7/8 weeks.
Some people want instant gratification.They cannot accept that big changes can take time. Most of us know that big changes can take time AND patience. If there is instant gratification then great but life isn't always like that.
OHL has judged Martin a certain way, again he may be right, Martin may be big headed, arrogant, self promoting but eventually poor manager. I just have hope that Martin will give us what we crave, a team that wins games but in a far more attractive style. For myself it's better to live in hope of better than to persistently talk us down before giving them a fair chance. I still live in hope that the negative words will be shoved down their throats before very long. | |
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 11:50 - Sep 17 with 917 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 11:47 - Sep 17 by Catullus |
There were probably in excess of 4000 in the East stand which shows the vast majority are either happy with what's happening or more likely they are giving Martin the time to do his job before judging.
I think the OP is a chronic over reaction, he may be right of course and I may be vastly wrong but we'll see in time. I'm allowing Martin the space to get things done, allowing him the time without heaping extra pressure on. The time may come when that changes but it certainly wasn't going to be after 7/8 weeks.
Some people want instant gratification.They cannot accept that big changes can take time. Most of us know that big changes can take time AND patience. If there is instant gratification then great but life isn't always like that.
OHL has judged Martin a certain way, again he may be right, Martin may be big headed, arrogant, self promoting but eventually poor manager. I just have hope that Martin will give us what we crave, a team that wins games but in a far more attractive style. For myself it's better to live in hope of better than to persistently talk us down before giving them a fair chance. I still live in hope that the negative words will be shoved down their throats before very long. |
Or even more likely, aren’t inclined to boo.
I don’t think I have ever booed anything in my life, it’s not a pantomime 
I am sure there are plenty of people not happy with how things are, that remain silent and watch the game.
We were told how awful Cooper was and that everyone thought so… not too many boos.
Nothing is going to be shoved down anyone’s throat, the people who are unhappy are unhappy because we aren’t playing very well. If we start to play well, I imagine they will be the happiest out of everyone.
You said on the other thread you may well join them if it doesn’t improve in a month. So your difference to them is you would prefer to wait 4 more weeks. Don’t be a hypocrite. [Post edited 17 Sep 2021 11:56]
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 12:15 - Sep 17 with 892 views | Boundy |
Christ on bike , when you take a dislike to someone you go full on I'll give you that .Just a reminder no Club has been relegated in September , so may I suggest keep your powder dry , its pleasant early autumn day , the trees are still in leaf, geraniums still blooming and the sea temperature still about bearable | |
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 12:25 - Sep 17 with 881 views | Catullus |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 11:50 - Sep 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Or even more likely, aren’t inclined to boo.
I don’t think I have ever booed anything in my life, it’s not a pantomime
I am sure there are plenty of people not happy with how things are, that remain silent and watch the game.
We were told how awful Cooper was and that everyone thought so… not too many boos.
Nothing is going to be shoved down anyone’s throat, the people who are unhappy are unhappy because we aren’t playing very well. If we start to play well, I imagine they will be the happiest out of everyone.
You said on the other thread you may well join them if it doesn’t improve in a month. So your difference to them is you would prefer to wait 4 more weeks. Don’t be a hypocrite. [Post edited 17 Sep 2021 11:56]
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All our lives are pantomimes, or as Shakespeare put it 'All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players'
The only proof that plenty of people are unhappy is if they voice that opinion, the vast majority haven't voiced that opinion, yet. It may come, time will tell.
Now " not too many boos" is a clearly ridiculous statement, there were no fans in the Liberty to boo him though there was plenty of booing to be seen on here, OHL was acheerleader for getting rid of Cooper and now he's telling us Martin is a fraud.
Changing my opinion wouldn't make me a hypocrite, it would mean I was using logic and common sense to judge the situation and form an opinion based on the facts after a suitable time has passed, to give the new manager a fair chance.
If we were getting stuffed every game I could understand people being negative but so far there has only been ONe very bad performance but the last 2 games have been very encouraging.
If Cooper gets the Forest job we'll see how good a manager he is but then, from what I've seen the Forest fans are dead against him, I wonder why? Maybe they watched us last season?
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 12:28 - Sep 17 with 874 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 12:15 - Sep 17 by Boundy |
Christ on bike , when you take a dislike to someone you go full on I'll give you that .Just a reminder no Club has been relegated in September , so may I suggest keep your powder dry , its pleasant early autumn day , the trees are still in leaf, geraniums still blooming and the sea temperature still about bearable |
The elephant in the room with that, is Bob Bradley though.
He won 2, drew 2 and lost 7 and I think most fans were happy enough to judge him on that, even the ones screaming to give the current manager years (?!).
The record after 7 games is certainly heading towards Bob Bradley levels and the opposition of course far easier in relation to our own team than the fixtures Bradley had. We have had a very kind run, especially more recently.
I don’t think Martin should be any different to any other manager we have had, he should be subject to the same scrutiny. | |
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 16:07 - Sep 17 with 796 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 12:28 - Sep 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
The elephant in the room with that, is Bob Bradley though.
He won 2, drew 2 and lost 7 and I think most fans were happy enough to judge him on that, even the ones screaming to give the current manager years (?!).
The record after 7 games is certainly heading towards Bob Bradley levels and the opposition of course far easier in relation to our own team than the fixtures Bradley had. We have had a very kind run, especially more recently.
I don’t think Martin should be any different to any other manager we have had, he should be subject to the same scrutiny. |
Bob Bradley with 11 games was the 'poster boy of incompetence'. There are reasons to believe he could have kept Swansea up. He did have after all Siggurdson and Llorente in his squad who were seriously talented pros. He was not given a fair crack at it.
I have no doubt at all that Guidolin would have guided Swansea to safety like Clement did. Guidolin his respected in a way that Clement is not. Clements 3/4 season is the highlight of his career so far.
In this period managers were exposed to the 'Ledbetter deficiency cracks'. These started to become a serious issue. Failures with Eder and Franck were compounded by Borja, Clucas, Mesa and the risky return of Wilfried Bony.
Clement has Sigurdson and Llorente and flourished . When neither were replace he was sunk. Carlos and the current boss of Wolves Lage has to work in a disadvantaged scenario. |  |
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| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 21:22 - Sep 17 with 698 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| This is where we are .don’t read if easily offended on 16:07 - Sep 17 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Bob Bradley with 11 games was the 'poster boy of incompetence'. There are reasons to believe he could have kept Swansea up. He did have after all Siggurdson and Llorente in his squad who were seriously talented pros. He was not given a fair crack at it.
I have no doubt at all that Guidolin would have guided Swansea to safety like Clement did. Guidolin his respected in a way that Clement is not. Clements 3/4 season is the highlight of his career so far.
In this period managers were exposed to the 'Ledbetter deficiency cracks'. These started to become a serious issue. Failures with Eder and Franck were compounded by Borja, Clucas, Mesa and the risky return of Wilfried Bony.
Clement has Sigurdson and Llorente and flourished . When neither were replace he was sunk. Carlos and the current boss of Wolves Lage has to work in a disadvantaged scenario. |
I was more than happy with the Bradley sacking, he didn’t inspire me with confidence, his tactical set up baffled me and his analysis of games incredibly basic.
He seemed to be the only person pleased after the Palace game. That was the most angry I have been after a win, possibly in my Swans supporting days, yet he was loving it. Gulf I was furious and stormed down the tunnel.
If something isn’t working and the effect of relegation could be an extremely damaging one, then sticking with it, when it is not proven to work. is not advisable in my opinion. | |
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