| Russia invade Ukraine 14:17 - Dec 23 with 152638 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Discuss.
Also why is Putin always described in the media as this rugged strongman? He’s barely five foot tall with his high heels on.
But that’s another debate.
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 21:05 - Feb 20 with 1479 views | Flashberryjack |
Problem solved, Drakeford has sent two members of the Senedd to Ukraine on a fact finding mission, they'll have explain where Wales is first. |  |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 21:44 - Feb 20 with 1434 views | trampie |
I thought that when I seen a map (British military thing) showing their possible lines of attack, so I googled it and articles came up suggesting they would go for the throat, take the capital etc and there was me thinking if they do go over the border it would be to take the Russian ethnic and speaking areas. |  |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 21:45 - Feb 20 with 1434 views | DJack |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 21:05 - Feb 20 by Flashberryjack |
Problem solved, Drakeford has sent two members of the Senedd to Ukraine on a fact finding mission, they'll have explain where Wales is first. |
Not like you to talk bollix...The occupied town of Donetsk has links with Wales.
"In 1869 the Welsh businessman John Hughes founded a steel plant and several coal mines in the region, and the town was named Hughesovka or Yuzovka (Юзовка) in recognition of his role ("Yuz" being a Russian-language approximation of Hughes). During Soviet times, the city's steel industry expanded. In 1924 Yuzovka was renamed Stalin. In 1929 Stalin was renamed Stalino, and in 1932 the city became the centre of the Donetsk region. Renamed Donetsk"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk |  |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 22:13 - Feb 20 with 1397 views | trampie |
If the Russians come knocking and get on a bit of a roll there is now talk of Ukraine evacuating the capital city. | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 07:37 - Feb 21 with 1348 views | trampie |
Now talk of Russian officials creating lists of Ukrainian people to be sent to camps or even to be killed. | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 08:41 - Feb 21 with 1335 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 22:13 - Feb 20 by trampie |
If the Russians come knocking and get on a bit of a roll there is now talk of Ukraine evacuating the capital city. |
This is a real scoop. Should we alert the pentagon? | | | |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 08:54 - Feb 21 with 1322 views | trampie |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 08:41 - Feb 21 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
This is a real scoop. Should we alert the pentagon? |
They were amongst the first to leave (embassy staff and the like). | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 10:21 - Feb 21 with 1287 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
The real news is that Biden's handlers have agreed to putting his stale, befuddled, soon to be corpse in the same room as Putin...where they will of course fold and agree to Ukraine not being permitted to join NATO or the EU and the removal of some troops/missiles from Eastern Europe. |  |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:26 - Feb 21 with 1266 views | Flashberryjack |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 21:45 - Feb 20 by DJack |
Not like you to talk bollix...The occupied town of Donetsk has links with Wales.
"In 1869 the Welsh businessman John Hughes founded a steel plant and several coal mines in the region, and the town was named Hughesovka or Yuzovka (Юзовка) in recognition of his role ("Yuz" being a Russian-language approximation of Hughes). During Soviet times, the city's steel industry expanded. In 1924 Yuzovka was renamed Stalin. In 1929 Stalin was renamed Stalino, and in 1932 the city became the centre of the Donetsk region. Renamed Donetsk"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk |
And your point is ? | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:39 - Feb 21 with 1255 views | Catullus |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:26 - Feb 21 by Flashberryjack |
And your point is ? |
Got to admit I'm struggling with that. At a time when governments are telling people not just to leave but to not go there, two Welsh politicians head off for a jaunt.
What are they going to achieve exactly? Does anyone in Donetsk care about the history or are they too busy battening down the hatches and stocking up on essentials?
If Russia invaded and took price prisoner, I reckon he'd be in for a rough time. An interfering Western politician, the Russians will obciously love him! | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:49 - Feb 21 with 1240 views | Flashberryjack |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:39 - Feb 21 by Catullus |
Got to admit I'm struggling with that. At a time when governments are telling people not just to leave but to not go there, two Welsh politicians head off for a jaunt.
What are they going to achieve exactly? Does anyone in Donetsk care about the history or are they too busy battening down the hatches and stocking up on essentials?
If Russia invaded and took price prisoner, I reckon he'd be in for a rough time. An interfering Western politician, the Russians will obciously love him! |
The first two questions the good people of Donetsk will ask, "who the hell are you" and "where the hell is Wales" | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:53 - Feb 21 with 1238 views | raynor94 |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:39 - Feb 21 by Catullus |
Got to admit I'm struggling with that. At a time when governments are telling people not just to leave but to not go there, two Welsh politicians head off for a jaunt.
What are they going to achieve exactly? Does anyone in Donetsk care about the history or are they too busy battening down the hatches and stocking up on essentials?
If Russia invaded and took price prisoner, I reckon he'd be in for a rough time. An interfering Western politician, the Russians will obciously love him! |
Adam Price is a publicity junkie, and Drakeford is just as bad signing a pact with Plaid, Power crazy the pair of them |  |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 17:13 - Feb 21 with 1197 views | controversial_jack |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:53 - Feb 21 by raynor94 |
Adam Price is a publicity junkie, and Drakeford is just as bad signing a pact with Plaid, Power crazy the pair of them |
Politicians and leaders wanting power, whatever next? | | | |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 17:22 - Feb 21 with 1190 views | trampie |
UK defense sec speaks - "Putin is still committed to an invasion" of Ukraine. | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 17:31 - Feb 21 with 1174 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
What is really happening...
- Public National Security meeting being held in Moscow about recognising the independence of the Russian speaking breakaway region in Donbass
- Russian Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, confirms that he will meet with Blinken in Geneva on Thursday
- Sergei Lavrov has compared the independence of Donetsk and Luhansk to NATO's arguments for Kosovan independence when it broke away from Serbia in the 90s...he is of course, absolutely correct (which highlights the importance of acting on principle instead of bending 'rules' to suit your short term needs...we don't have a leg to stand on, what is good for the Goose is good for the Gander) | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 19:16 - Feb 21 with 1136 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 17:31 - Feb 21 by Ajack_Kerouac |
What is really happening...
- Public National Security meeting being held in Moscow about recognising the independence of the Russian speaking breakaway region in Donbass
- Russian Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, confirms that he will meet with Blinken in Geneva on Thursday
- Sergei Lavrov has compared the independence of Donetsk and Luhansk to NATO's arguments for Kosovan independence when it broke away from Serbia in the 90s...he is of course, absolutely correct (which highlights the importance of acting on principle instead of bending 'rules' to suit your short term needs...we don't have a leg to stand on, what is good for the Goose is good for the Gander) |
Wonder if China will recognise the independence of the two Ukrainian regions, Taiwan Hong-Kong, Tibet and Uyghurs | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 21:08 - Feb 21 with 1081 views | trampie |
Putin making a major speech tonight, some say it's a war speech, others say the speech will be used at his war tribunal, others note that the major networks haven't been covering it and that the Beeb is late to the party. | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 21:45 - Feb 21 with 1063 views | DJack |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:26 - Feb 21 by Flashberryjack |
And your point is ? |
My point is, putting aside your idiotic view that as Ukranians they wont know of Wales is that there is a historical Welsh link. Just because they are foreign it does not mean they are ignorant. | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 22:14 - Feb 21 with 1026 views | Flashberryjack |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 21:45 - Feb 21 by DJack |
My point is, putting aside your idiotic view that as Ukranians they wont know of Wales is that there is a historical Welsh link. Just because they are foreign it does not mean they are ignorant. |
My idiotic view, ?
And yours is, that two Welsh no marks going to a highly potential war zone waving a Welsh flag in front of a few cameras for publicity purposes (because that's all it is) will make a blind bit of difference, and that isn't idiotic?
Yeah, you crack on mate | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 22:27 - Feb 21 with 1016 views | DJack |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 22:14 - Feb 21 by Flashberryjack |
My idiotic view, ?
And yours is, that two Welsh no marks going to a highly potential war zone waving a Welsh flag in front of a few cameras for publicity purposes (because that's all it is) will make a blind bit of difference, and that isn't idiotic?
Yeah, you crack on mate |
Could you please point out where I said what you attribute to me. I only pointed out the stupidity of your "they'll have explain where Wales is first".
I'll await your "proof" | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 22:49 - Feb 21 with 984 views | max936 |
I think this will lead to another War in Europe, Putin seems determined, hardly surprising when you can see what's gone on in Europe with Brexit etc, dangerous times, for all of us I fear.
He isn't gonna step back from this, he's got the bit between his teeth. [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 22:51]
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 23:54 - Feb 21 with 948 views | majorraglan |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 13:02 - Feb 17 by Ajack_Kerouac |
The EU encouraged it in the first place and worked with the Obama administration to try and engineer the whole situation.
They then wanted to hit the pause button when Obama/Clinton/Nuland/Biden conspired to overthrow an elected Ukrainian government and install Poreshenko and co.
"F*ck the EU" was Clinton's response...we know this, Wikileaks revealed it.
Trump got elected and the policy changed in the region. Trump's people were happy to leave Ukraine on hold...it doesn't hurt America, it hurts Russian, the Ukrainians who want to be an EU member and NATO country, and the Democrats.
Biden and Hilary in particular are up to their necks in dirty Ukrainian money.
The EU then opposed Trump administration policy in the region whilst negotiating with the Russians to build the pipeline.
Having helped create the mess in the Ukraine the EU then said "not our problem, Russian gas is more important" during this latest development.
Not that Ukraine is actually in danger of being invaded of course...that would only happen if Biden's handlers ordered troops/nukes/weapons to be installed in the Ukraine...which of course won't happen, as the Democrats can't afford to go to war with Russia.
This entire episode has been about the Democrats trying to distract from their mess at home, using the mess they created in the Ukraine to do so...trying to engineer a situation where they can say; "See, Putin backed down. Biden is strong".
Nobody with a brain is buying it though. |
Looks like there are Russian boots on the ground in the Eastern part of the Ukraine, which to most people will be enough to be considered an invasion. Potentially some very difficult times ahead. [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 23:56]
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 01:46 - Feb 22 with 922 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 23:54 - Feb 21 by majorraglan |
Looks like there are Russian boots on the ground in the Eastern part of the Ukraine, which to most people will be enough to be considered an invasion. Potentially some very difficult times ahead. [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 23:56]
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There always were Russian boots on the ground in Eastern Ukraine...that's how they took Crimea back without firing a shot, the soldiers just came out of their bases (in Crimea) and stood guard at government buildings...
It got reported as an invasion over here of course, but there was no invasion.
You have to understand the history of the region.
To understand it imagine this;
- There is no UK (for our purposes, the Soviet Union)
- Wales (the Ukraine) have historic ties to Cornwall (Eastern Ukraine and Crimea)
- The UK (Soviet Union) is formed and the architects of this political union in London (Moscow) decide that Cornwall (Eastern Ukraine/Crimea)...which has historically been a part of England (Russia) will be included in the administrative state of Wales (Ukraine)
- Wales (the Ukraine) is strategically important to the UK (Soviet Union) as it is the best farming land, Cornwall (Eastern Ukraine/Crimea) has always been of military importance to England (Russia) and that does not change now that we are all part of the UK (Soviet Union.
- During the union (UK/Soviet Union) English (Russian) people from other parts of England (Russia) move to Cornwall (Eastern Ukraine/Crimea) in significant numbers due to the increased military bases built there and the expansion of state employment there.
The Cornish are now outnumbered, but it is not seen as a big deal as Cornwall (Eastern Ukraine/Crimea) has always been part of England (Russia)
- Then the UK (Soviet Union) breaks up, it fails, it goes bankrupt and the different countries that make up the union go their own way.
You might expect that Cornwall (Eastern Ukraine/Crimea) is returned to England (Russia) but this does not happen...principally because England (Russia) can no longer afford to support the region, bloody Socialism hey!...
- England (Russia) says to Wales (Ukraine), "you can continue to have Cornwall...you've had it for the last 60 years after all...all we ask is that we can continue to hold our military bases there as it is strategically important for us and you don't let our enemies France (USA) and the EU (NATO) set up shop there or in Wales"
- Wales (Ukraine) agrees to this. France (USA) and the EU (NATO) agrees to this
- Peace reigns for 20 years
- Then Monsieur Obama/Biden and Madame Clinton start making moves on Wales to try and get them to join the EU (NATO) and allow France (USA) to put missiles in Wales capable of wiping London (Moscow) off the map.
- A pro English (Russian) government is elected in Wales (Ukraine) as a result of this development...the English (Russians) living in Wales (Ukraine) and Cornwall (Eastern Ukraine/Crimea) get very nervous and have the weight of numbers due to so many moving to Wales/Cornwall during the Union.
The pro-England (Russia) movement in Cornwall/Wales is calling for England to step in before it's too late.
- The Frenchies (Biden/Clinton etc.) organise a coup in Wales (Ukraine) and overthrow the pro-England (Russia) government...
- ...it is at this point the English (Russians) decide enough's enough and order their troops to leave their bases in Cornwall and stand guard for the pro-England (Russia) politicians who now declare themselves independent from Wales (Ukraine).
Not a shot is fired, the population wanted this...no troops needed to invade, they were already there
- France and the EU continues to agitate about the situation and encourage the Welsh to prepare for the day when they will take Cornwall back, they supply training and weapons to the Welsh.
England is patient for 8 long years as they continue to declare that they will never accept that Wales joins the EU or stations French weapons/troops there and are ignored by Wales and France...the English (Russians) declare that Cornwall always was English and will continue to be for the forseeable future...they want France and the EU to recognise this reality formally...without this situation being resolved England (Russia) is under existential threat.
- There is a political fracturing in France and some Commie crims shamelessly steal an election and install the 'Weekend at Bernie's Presidency' of Monsieur Biden.
Nobody in France believes Monsieur Biden is their leader, nobody in the army (other than a few nutty officers) would take orders from the corpse or lay down their life for the crims who engineered this situation. France is on the verge of a civil war as a result of the actions of these criminals.
- NOW ENGLAND (RUSSIA) SEIZES IT'S CHANCE TO PUT PRESSURE ON A WEAK FRANCE (USA) BY THREATENING TO INVADE WALES (UKRAINE). FRANCE CONTINUES TO PRETEND THEY ARE BILLY BIG BOLLOCKS - ENGLAND HAS TO YANK FRANCE'S CHAIN BY PULLING VARIOUS STUNTS ON THE WELSH BORDER IN ORDER TO GET FRANCE TO SIT AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE...FRANCE DOESN'T WANT TO LOSE FACE HOWEVER ...AND THEY DON'T CARE, AFTER ALL IT WON'T BE FRENCH PEOPLE DYING IF ENGLAND INVADE, IT WILL BE THOSE DUMB WELSHMEN...SO ENGLAND THEN HAS MAKE SHIT A BIT MORE REAL FOR THEM WITH SOME MILITARY ACTION IN CORNWALL.
...Hopefully France (USA) will see sense, but if they don't the Welsh (Ukrainians) probably will, it is their sons that will be sent off to die after all.
England doesn't want to invade Wales (Ukraine), they can't afford to sustain occupation of Wales, they are happy enough with Cornwall...they just need it set in stone that Wales is not on the playing board for France & the EU...no amount of verbal assurances will be enough...they have lost their trust in the Welsh and have always distrusted the French.
THEY NEED IT ON PAPER WITNESSED BY THE WORLD, A LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENT.
They are prepared to keep their troops stationed along the Welsh border and occasionally shell Wales from now until forever, they've got the time and are not under any pressure...if France ever went to war with England over Wales London is quite prepared to wipe Paris off the map (knowing it would be guaranteed mutual destruction) [Post edited 22 Feb 2022 1:48]
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