| Anti vax criminals 18:05 - Dec 29 with 6851 views | Sirjohnalot |
Can’t comprehend this level of selfishness, these people are pond life. Hope they will all receive a knock on the door soon.
The irony of them talking about thing being forced and then trying to remove choice for others, |  | | |  |
| Anti vax criminals on 20:23 - Jan 4 with 972 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Anti vax criminals on 19:38 - Jan 4 by Catullus |
Yet by the percentages there are many more unvaccinated people being hospitalised and ending up in ICU with covid. Being young, fit and healthy isn't helping some people.
Demographics have to be taken into account, SA is a younger country by average age. |
Younger by average but not by percentage of "life expectancy" which is very low in SA that is 60 for males and 65 for females. |  | | |
| Anti vax criminals on 06:48 - Jan 5 with 896 views | Scotia |
| Anti vax criminals on 20:23 - Jan 4 by A_Fans_Dad |
Younger by average but not by percentage of "life expectancy" which is very low in SA that is 60 for males and 65 for females. |
But it is average age that is of importance for covid outcomes. | | | |
| Anti vax criminals on 11:35 - Jan 5 with 843 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Anti vax criminals on 06:48 - Jan 5 by Scotia |
But it is average age that is of importance for covid outcomes. |
No it is not, it is the age + morbidities.
Their morbidites at 60 are the same as our morbities at 80, it kills both groups.
So if you get COVID it will exploit or exaggerate the co-morbidities.
You don't get to change the scientific evidence. | | | |
| Anti vax criminals on 12:20 - Jan 5 with 841 views | Catullus |
| Anti vax criminals on 11:35 - Jan 5 by A_Fans_Dad |
No it is not, it is the age + morbidities.
Their morbidites at 60 are the same as our morbities at 80, it kills both groups.
So if you get COVID it will exploit or exaggerate the co-morbidities.
You don't get to change the scientific evidence. |
Yes but what the comorbidities are matters too. It doesn't change that SA is a younger country which is what doctors were saying, that we may find it's worse for us when it hits our older population. | |
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| Anti vax criminals on 13:45 - Jan 5 with 812 views | Scotia |
| Anti vax criminals on 11:35 - Jan 5 by A_Fans_Dad |
No it is not, it is the age + morbidities.
Their morbidites at 60 are the same as our morbities at 80, it kills both groups.
So if you get COVID it will exploit or exaggerate the co-morbidities.
You don't get to change the scientific evidence. |
It's not. Age is the biggest factor in covid outcomes because of age related cormibities and age related immunosenescence.
Any proof that a 60 year old South African has an equivalent level of health and immune system as a 80 year old UK citizen?
We've been through this before, several times. I'm not changing anything. Look at the facts not some opinion you seem to have plucked out of thin air.
The most common underlying health conditions associated with Covid death is Dementia.
Even when other conditions that aren't always associated with age are considered (even though they usually are condiditons related to age) age is still the greatest risk factor.
https://www.nature.com/article
Some of the leading causes of death in South Africa are TB and HIV with "non natural" casues making up 12% of deaths.
the populations are not in anyway comparable enough to consider impacts of covid. | | | |
| Anti vax criminals on 13:59 - Jan 5 with 804 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Anti vax criminals on 13:45 - Jan 5 by Scotia |
It's not. Age is the biggest factor in covid outcomes because of age related cormibities and age related immunosenescence.
Any proof that a 60 year old South African has an equivalent level of health and immune system as a 80 year old UK citizen?
We've been through this before, several times. I'm not changing anything. Look at the facts not some opinion you seem to have plucked out of thin air.
The most common underlying health conditions associated with Covid death is Dementia.
Even when other conditions that aren't always associated with age are considered (even though they usually are condiditons related to age) age is still the greatest risk factor.
https://www.nature.com/article
Some of the leading causes of death in South Africa are TB and HIV with "non natural" casues making up 12% of deaths.
the populations are not in anyway comparable enough to consider impacts of covid. |
So which are most likely to die, those with?
1 co-morbity
2 co-morbidities
3 co-morbidities
4 co-morbidities
someone 80, healthy with no co-morbidities
Dementia is the number one illness in old people, therefore when someone very old dies with COVID they are most likely to have dementia, but there is nothing to say that the dementia actually contributed to the death, whereas heart, lung, liver, hypertension, diabetes and immune system illnesses will. | | | |
| Anti vax criminals on 14:02 - Jan 5 with 804 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Anti vax criminals on 13:59 - Jan 5 by A_Fans_Dad |
So which are most likely to die, those with?
1 co-morbity
2 co-morbidities
3 co-morbidities
4 co-morbidities
someone 80, healthy with no co-morbidities
Dementia is the number one illness in old people, therefore when someone very old dies with COVID they are most likely to have dementia, but there is nothing to say that the dementia actually contributed to the death, whereas heart, lung, liver, hypertension, diabetes and immune system illnesses will. |
Are you still saying it is safe to catch the virus when over 1% of people will die from it?
Or is it safer to be vaccinated and reduce your chances of catching it, ending up in hospital, in ICU and dying. | |
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| Anti vax criminals on 14:20 - Jan 5 with 798 views | Scotia |
| Anti vax criminals on 13:59 - Jan 5 by A_Fans_Dad |
So which are most likely to die, those with?
1 co-morbity
2 co-morbidities
3 co-morbidities
4 co-morbidities
someone 80, healthy with no co-morbidities
Dementia is the number one illness in old people, therefore when someone very old dies with COVID they are most likely to have dementia, but there is nothing to say that the dementia actually contributed to the death, whereas heart, lung, liver, hypertension, diabetes and immune system illnesses will. |
More diversion.
So any proof that that a 60 year old South African has the immune system of an 80 year old UK Citizen?
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.co
Also of course the thing that could have contributed ot their death is age and immunosenescence. | | | |
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| Anti vax criminals on 14:30 - Jan 5 with 788 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Anti vax criminals on 14:20 - Jan 5 by Scotia |
More diversion.
So any proof that that a 60 year old South African has the immune system of an 80 year old UK Citizen?
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.co
Also of course the thing that could have contributed ot their death is age and immunosenescence. |
Thanks for that, they repeated exactly what I said.
"We now extend this observation over the subsequent course of the pandemic to highlight that a large proportion of increased COVID-19 mortality has involved people with dementia, which continues to be the commonest cause of death in England and Wales."
If the South Africans do not have co-morbidities at 60, why is it their normal life span, they must be dying of "something", unless you are suggesting they all just drop dead.
List of reasons for mortality in 2017 for South Africa
Table 4.3: Distribution of deaths by main groups of causes of death, 2017
No. Main groups of underlying causes of death (based on ICD-10) Number Percentage
9 Diseases of the circulatory system (I00-I99) 81 992 18,4
1 Certain infectious and parasitic diseases (A00-B99)* 78 562 17,6
18 Symptoms and signs not elsewhere classified (R00-R99) 59 773 13,4
19 External causes of morbidity and mortality (V01-Y98) 51 164 11,5
2 Neoplasms (C00-D48) 43 120 9,7
10 Diseases of the respiratory system (J00-J99) 42 202 9,5
4 Endocrine, nutritional and metabolic diseases (E00-E90) 31 362 7,0
11 Diseases of the digestive system (K00-K93) 11 598 2,6
3 Diseases of the blood and immune mechanism (D50-D89) 10 375 2,3
14 Diseases of the genitourinary system (N00-N99) 9 506 2,1
6 Diseases of the nervous system (G00-G99) 9 434 2,1
16 Certain conditions originating in the perinatal period (P00-P96) 8 619 1,9
5 Mental and behavioural disorders (F00-F99) 2 542 0,6
17 Congenital malformations (Q00-Q99) 2 367 0,5
13 Diseases of the musculoskeletal system etc. (M00-M99) 1 804 0,4
12 Diseases of the skin and subcutaneous tissue (L00-L99) 1 346 0,3
15 Pregnancy, childbirth and puerperium (O00-O99) 671 0,2
7 Diseases of the eye and adnexa (H00-H59) 61 0,0
8 Diseases of the ear and mastoid process (H60-H95) 46 0,0
Total 446 544 100
Funny I don't see TB & HIV highlighted there do you, the only one missing happens to be dementia, because their brains literally are not aged enough before they die of all the other things. | | | |
| Anti vax criminals on 14:32 - Jan 5 with 789 views | Professor |
| Anti vax criminals on 14:20 - Jan 5 by Scotia |
More diversion.
So any proof that that a 60 year old South African has the immune system of an 80 year old UK Citizen?
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.co
Also of course the thing that could have contributed ot their death is age and immunosenescence. |
It's complete bull and diversion. Age is by far the biggest risk factor and the reason vaccine efficacy is much lower in older populations. RSA's young age is largely due to HIV reducing life expectancy hugely in the 80s-2000s. The forgotten pandemic.
The greatest co-morbidity is also dementia, | | | |
| Anti vax criminals on 17:40 - Jan 5 with 757 views | Scotia |
| Anti vax criminals on 14:30 - Jan 5 by A_Fans_Dad |
Thanks for that, they repeated exactly what I said.
"We now extend this observation over the subsequent course of the pandemic to highlight that a large proportion of increased COVID-19 mortality has involved people with dementia, which continues to be the commonest cause of death in England and Wales."
If the South Africans do not have co-morbidities at 60, why is it their normal life span, they must be dying of "something", unless you are suggesting they all just drop dead.
List of reasons for mortality in 2017 for South Africa
Table 4.3: Distribution of deaths by main groups of causes of death, 2017
No. Main groups of underlying causes of death (based on ICD-10) Number Percentage
9 Diseases of the circulatory system (I00-I99) 81 992 18,4
1 Certain infectious and parasitic diseases (A00-B99)* 78 562 17,6
18 Symptoms and signs not elsewhere classified (R00-R99) 59 773 13,4
19 External causes of morbidity and mortality (V01-Y98) 51 164 11,5
2 Neoplasms (C00-D48) 43 120 9,7
10 Diseases of the respiratory system (J00-J99) 42 202 9,5
4 Endocrine, nutritional and metabolic diseases (E00-E90) 31 362 7,0
11 Diseases of the digestive system (K00-K93) 11 598 2,6
3 Diseases of the blood and immune mechanism (D50-D89) 10 375 2,3
14 Diseases of the genitourinary system (N00-N99) 9 506 2,1
6 Diseases of the nervous system (G00-G99) 9 434 2,1
16 Certain conditions originating in the perinatal period (P00-P96) 8 619 1,9
5 Mental and behavioural disorders (F00-F99) 2 542 0,6
17 Congenital malformations (Q00-Q99) 2 367 0,5
13 Diseases of the musculoskeletal system etc. (M00-M99) 1 804 0,4
12 Diseases of the skin and subcutaneous tissue (L00-L99) 1 346 0,3
15 Pregnancy, childbirth and puerperium (O00-O99) 671 0,2
7 Diseases of the eye and adnexa (H00-H59) 61 0,0
8 Diseases of the ear and mastoid process (H60-H95) 46 0,0
Total 446 544 100
Funny I don't see TB & HIV highlighted there do you, the only one missing happens to be dementia, because their brains literally are not aged enough before they die of all the other things. |
You stupid man. What do you think an infectious disease is if not including TB? I also see disease of the blood and immune system, although of course HIV patients don't actually die of HIV, they die because they're immune system is destroyed.
Having a life expectancy of 60, doesn't mean everyone dies at 60 mind just that a higher proportion die younger.
If their aging process and comorbities were the same as ours but speeded up as you're alluding to then you'd see the same pattern of cause of death. Nearly as many people appear to die of heat disease as TB and malaria in South Africa. The entire society and culture is different and not remotely comparable.
Just 10% of people die from cancer in South Africa, again a disease associated with aging, there are 3 different cancers in our highest 10 causes of death.
12% of people in South Africa die of unnatural causes. I bet that's less than 1% in the UK.
Covid has less impact because there are less older people, there are less people with comorbidities too for the same reason. They've died before they develop them. | | | |
| Anti vax criminals on 17:41 - Jan 5 with 756 views | Scotia |
| Anti vax criminals on 14:32 - Jan 5 by Professor |
It's complete bull and diversion. Age is by far the biggest risk factor and the reason vaccine efficacy is much lower in older populations. RSA's young age is largely due to HIV reducing life expectancy hugely in the 80s-2000s. The forgotten pandemic.
The greatest co-morbidity is also dementia, |
It really is a loopy argument. | | | |
| Anti vax criminals on 17:46 - Jan 5 with 751 views | Professor |
| Anti vax criminals on 17:40 - Jan 5 by Scotia |
You stupid man. What do you think an infectious disease is if not including TB? I also see disease of the blood and immune system, although of course HIV patients don't actually die of HIV, they die because they're immune system is destroyed.
Having a life expectancy of 60, doesn't mean everyone dies at 60 mind just that a higher proportion die younger.
If their aging process and comorbities were the same as ours but speeded up as you're alluding to then you'd see the same pattern of cause of death. Nearly as many people appear to die of heat disease as TB and malaria in South Africa. The entire society and culture is different and not remotely comparable.
Just 10% of people die from cancer in South Africa, again a disease associated with aging, there are 3 different cancers in our highest 10 causes of death.
12% of people in South Africa die of unnatural causes. I bet that's less than 1% in the UK.
Covid has less impact because there are less older people, there are less people with comorbidities too for the same reason. They've died before they develop them. |
TB, Malaria and Salmonella are amongst the main causes of death in HIV in Sub Saharan Africa. The inability to mount a cellular immune response leaves the affected wide open to these secondary infections. | | | |
| Anti vax criminals on 22:12 - Jan 5 with 720 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Anti vax criminals on 14:32 - Jan 5 by Professor |
It's complete bull and diversion. Age is by far the biggest risk factor and the reason vaccine efficacy is much lower in older populations. RSA's young age is largely due to HIV reducing life expectancy hugely in the 80s-2000s. The forgotten pandemic.
The greatest co-morbidity is also dementia, |
So why on earth vaccinate everyone willing over the age of 12? Why not stick to the elderly and those on immunosuppressant drugs? Vaccination of the under 50s seems insane and looking at the infection rates today in the UK (200,000) and France (380,000) - the highest in the history of this pandemic just bears it out. The vaccinated are passing it round like confetti between themselves! |  |
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| Anti vax criminals on 22:33 - Jan 5 with 708 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Anti vax criminals on 22:12 - Jan 5 by Brynmill_Jack |
So why on earth vaccinate everyone willing over the age of 12? Why not stick to the elderly and those on immunosuppressant drugs? Vaccination of the under 50s seems insane and looking at the infection rates today in the UK (200,000) and France (380,000) - the highest in the history of this pandemic just bears it out. The vaccinated are passing it round like confetti between themselves! |
Vaccinations are not insane, they reduce the risk of catching the virus, the risk of spreading the virus, the risk of ending up in hospital, the risk of dying.
The only truly insane thing is not to get vaccinated catch the virus and ending up with a country in permanent lockdown. | |
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| Anti vax criminals on 11:40 - Jan 6 with 669 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Anti vax criminals on 22:33 - Jan 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Vaccinations are not insane, they reduce the risk of catching the virus, the risk of spreading the virus, the risk of ending up in hospital, the risk of dying.
The only truly insane thing is not to get vaccinated catch the virus and ending up with a country in permanent lockdown. |
They don't do anything that medicine cannot do.
They were sold as the "way to end the pandemic", instead they are prolonging the pandemic, because every single one of them can still catch it and spread it.
They were warned that is what would happen with leaky vaccines and didn't listen.
Even the UK's so called experts now agree we can't vaccinate our way out the pandemic. | | | |
| Anti vax criminals on 11:45 - Jan 6 with 671 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Anti vax criminals on 22:33 - Jan 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Vaccinations are not insane, they reduce the risk of catching the virus, the risk of spreading the virus, the risk of ending up in hospital, the risk of dying.
The only truly insane thing is not to get vaccinated catch the virus and ending up with a country in permanent lockdown. |
You keep repeating your little mantra - it’s obviously a comfort blanket to you. As regards the vaccinations - let’s see how your health goes in the next 3 to 5years. Then we will see who’s insane.
Don’t forget - first it was one dose . Then for full protection it became two. Now it’s three here and the efficacy seems to be getting shorter as the days unfold. Soon it will be four then five.
What are they doing to your immune system ? All those spike proteins being mass produced inside you?
Life isn’t just about the next 8 weeks - it could be another 10 - 60 years depending on your current age. It’s all well and good saying the vaccine will protect you from Covid (but not very much though in truth does it) when the flu may come along in two years time and kill you because your immune system is so compromised you can’t fight it off. | |
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| Anti vax criminals on 11:50 - Jan 6 with 655 views | onehunglow |
| Anti vax criminals on 22:33 - Jan 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Vaccinations are not insane, they reduce the risk of catching the virus, the risk of spreading the virus, the risk of ending up in hospital, the risk of dying.
The only truly insane thing is not to get vaccinated catch the virus and ending up with a country in permanent lockdown. |
Sadly Felix,the replies to you will evidence the deep seated contempt and hatred for the common man.
We have lay people who know better than professional immunologists. IT wallahs who now it all.
There is no way anyone can help them until death comes to their door. | |
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| Anti vax criminals on 12:25 - Jan 6 with 634 views | felixstowe_jack |
Interesting data just released by PHW in the month ending 30th November
Hospital admissions per 100,000 with covoid.
Unvaccinated
Over 60s 175
18-60 50
Under 18 15
Vaccinated
Over 60s 60
18 to 60 18
Under 18 Nil
Clearly from the figures the unvaccinated are 3 times more likely to end up in hospital than the vaccinated.
Also the lie that it does little harm to children has been disproved with 15 per 100,000 under 18s admitted to hospital with no vaccinated children admitted.
Admittedly the figures are a month out of date but in mid November only 20% of adults had been boosted compared to 60% today.
Will be interesting to see the December figures. | |
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| Anti vax criminals on 12:44 - Jan 6 with 631 views | onehunglow |
| Anti vax criminals on 12:25 - Jan 6 by felixstowe_jack |
Interesting data just released by PHW in the month ending 30th November
Hospital admissions per 100,000 with covoid.
Unvaccinated
Over 60s 175
18-60 50
Under 18 15
Vaccinated
Over 60s 60
18 to 60 18
Under 18 Nil
Clearly from the figures the unvaccinated are 3 times more likely to end up in hospital than the vaccinated.
Also the lie that it does little harm to children has been disproved with 15 per 100,000 under 18s admitted to hospital with no vaccinated children admitted.
Admittedly the figures are a month out of date but in mid November only 20% of adults had been boosted compared to 60% today.
Will be interesting to see the December figures. |
Felix
Serious question
How do they counter you when you come up with fact?
Simply dismiss the stats or adduce alternative ones.
I truly feel for them.
We are still not truly accepting the gravity of covid.
We are still denying it | |
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| Anti vax criminals on 12:48 - Jan 6 with 626 views | RonaldStump |
| Anti vax criminals on 12:44 - Jan 6 by onehunglow |
Felix
Serious question
How do they counter you when you come up with fact?
Simply dismiss the stats or adduce alternative ones.
I truly feel for them.
We are still not truly accepting the gravity of covid.
We are still denying it |
If you can't question it
it's not science
It's propaganda | |
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| Anti vax criminals on 13:06 - Jan 6 with 607 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Anti vax criminals on 12:48 - Jan 6 by RonaldStump |
If you can't question it
it's not science
It's propaganda |
You can question it, you can provide evidence to support your case. Unfortunately you just dismiss scientific evidence and hard facts as propaganda.
It must be terrible to have a closed mind even when you know the evidence and facts prove you are wrong. | |
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| Anti vax criminals on 13:07 - Jan 6 with 605 views | Whiterockin |
| Anti vax criminals on 12:48 - Jan 6 by RonaldStump |
If you can't question it
it's not science
It's propaganda |
And what are you spreading? |  | | |
| Anti vax criminals on 13:19 - Jan 6 with 589 views | Professor |
| Anti vax criminals on 12:25 - Jan 6 by felixstowe_jack |
Interesting data just released by PHW in the month ending 30th November
Hospital admissions per 100,000 with covoid.
Unvaccinated
Over 60s 175
18-60 50
Under 18 15
Vaccinated
Over 60s 60
18 to 60 18
Under 18 Nil
Clearly from the figures the unvaccinated are 3 times more likely to end up in hospital than the vaccinated.
Also the lie that it does little harm to children has been disproved with 15 per 100,000 under 18s admitted to hospital with no vaccinated children admitted.
Admittedly the figures are a month out of date but in mid November only 20% of adults had been boosted compared to 60% today.
Will be interesting to see the December figures. |
That's also Delta with 2 doses for most. Preliminary data from NY (not seen just heard on the grapevine) are 90% unvax in ICU with Omicron | | | |
| Anti vax criminals on 13:24 - Jan 6 with 588 views | Professor |
| Anti vax criminals on 22:12 - Jan 5 by Brynmill_Jack |
So why on earth vaccinate everyone willing over the age of 12? Why not stick to the elderly and those on immunosuppressant drugs? Vaccination of the under 50s seems insane and looking at the infection rates today in the UK (200,000) and France (380,000) - the highest in the history of this pandemic just bears it out. The vaccinated are passing it round like confetti between themselves! |
That's not true though is it?. There is serious disease in the younger population-record levels of Children admitted with Covid this week. The vaccines still reduce transmission, but you seem unable to fathom this. In fact, in most infections we would be lauding the efficacy against transmission as well as the undoubted disease reduction.
The unvaccinated population is most at risk, the more likely to transmit disease and foster emergence of new variants. | | | |
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