| That 2nd half 20:36 - Jan 15 with 2428 views | magicdaps10 |
A cracking 2nd half and not just a positive but a real positive to push on.
Best half of football I have seen us play in a very long time. Hopefully we get the quality in this month and really push on. |  |
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| That 2nd half on 12:14 - Jan 16 with 966 views | KeithHaynes |
| That 2nd half on 12:12 - Jan 16 by jasper_T |
Every fan thinks their club is just a few players short of being a great side. We've certainly been thinking it for years. We could bring in a couple more this window, and we'd still think the same thing. |
Man City fan on the radio yesterday said they were a striker short.
Case in point. |  |
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| That 2nd half on 14:44 - Jan 16 with 878 views | Catullus |
| That 2nd half on 11:54 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
I’m certain in the next two weeks we will. |
I hope you're right Keith but that just leads me to ask, how many players are coming in? The way I look at it, we have the keeper but we need 4 or maybe 5 more players besides. Cna we afford them this window?
PS, if Pato is on his way out, maybe we'll get a fee but it's another player to be replaced. [Post edited 16 Jan 2022 18:04]
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| That 2nd half on 14:47 - Jan 16 with 869 views | onehunglow |
| That 2nd half on 14:44 - Jan 16 by Catullus |
I hope you're right Keith but that just leads me to ask, how many players are coming in? The way I look at it, we have the keeper but we need 4 or maybe 5 more players besides. Cna we afford them this window?
PS, if Pato is on his way out, maybe we'll get a fee but it's another player to be replaced. [Post edited 16 Jan 2022 18:04]
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Me too.
Yesterday,let's face ot was relief at gaining a point after giving away another comical goal.
We really didnt need Fisher but we do need a centre half so our full backs can return to playing there.
We also need someone to work with and support Piroe. | |
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| That 2nd half on 17:00 - Jan 16 with 825 views | YouBackJastard |
| That 2nd half on 12:12 - Jan 16 by jasper_T |
Every fan thinks their club is just a few players short of being a great side. We've certainly been thinking it for years. We could bring in a couple more this window, and we'd still think the same thing. |
In fairness not all clubs have players this blatantly ill-suited to a playing style. | | | |
| That 2nd half on 17:15 - Jan 16 with 809 views | vetchonian |
| That 2nd half on 17:00 - Jan 16 by YouBackJastard |
In fairness not all clubs have players this blatantly ill-suited to a playing style. |
Or a manager focused on possession | |
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| That 2nd half on 17:39 - Jan 16 with 786 views | YouBackJastard |
| That 2nd half on 17:15 - Jan 16 by vetchonian |
Or a manager focused on possession |
Silly and immature. | | | |
| That 2nd half on 18:23 - Jan 16 with 764 views | vetchonian |
Maybe but your post implies our squad is incapable of playing football….if this style was so great why aren’t the majority of managers employing it | |
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| That 2nd half on 19:04 - Jan 16 with 749 views | KeithHaynes |
| That 2nd half on 18:23 - Jan 16 by vetchonian |
Maybe but your post implies our squad is incapable of playing football….if this style was so great why aren’t the majority of managers employing it |
Surely they do at Barca circa 2013 and Man City 🤷🻠| |
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| That 2nd half on 19:58 - Jan 16 with 720 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| That 2nd half on 19:04 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
Surely they do at Barca circa 2013 and Man City 🤷🻠|
I see that comparison a lot (Man City).
I don’t see any similarity in the way we play to how anyone else plays or has ever played for that matter.
Man City play 4 at the back and wingers, Sterling/Grealish/Mahrez adding the wide creativity. They also don’t have a focus on possession for possession’s sake.
Despite them obviously being man for man much better than the majority of the league, they still ‘only’ return just a touch over 60% possession and are the highest scorers in the league. We are closer to 70%, no wingers, a back 3 (and WB’s) and among the lowest scorers in the league.
Barca were the same back then as Man City are now. Back 4, Pedro/Sanchez/Messi rotating as the wide players.
The key to any kind of possession football is to have attacking escape routes out wide so you can spring defence to attack quickly. We had it under all previous managers that liked to play possession stuff, Dyer, Routledge, Hernandez, Sinclair were all major parts of our system.
I can’t think of another team in world foootball that pushes 70% possession, plays with no wingers, 3 CB’s, 800 passes a game and one of the lowest scorers in their respective leagues. You would be hard pushed to find one… let alone a technically limited one that plays outside the top tier.
1) So then we ask ourselves why hasn’t anyone ever played this way? Despite all the wonderful technical teams out there.
2) Then we ask ourselves if there is any evidence of this particular style being successful? Has it ever worked?
The answer to the second question will serve as an answer to the first one.
That’s what is so frustrating watching on. Especially when we have such a talented side.
That’s my view. |  |
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| That 2nd half on 06:43 - Jan 17 with 651 views | vetchonian |
| That 2nd half on 19:04 - Jan 16 by KeithHaynes |
Surely they do at Barca circa 2013 and Man City 🤷🻠|
I said majority of managers 2 clubs out of how many in Europe..doesnt seem to be a lit of managers choice is that also because there arent sufficient players with the required skills et al to play that way | |
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| That 2nd half on 09:52 - Jan 17 with 619 views | Catullus |
| That 2nd half on 06:43 - Jan 17 by vetchonian |
I said majority of managers 2 clubs out of how many in Europe..doesnt seem to be a lit of managers choice is that also because there arent sufficient players with the required skills et al to play that way |
The most successful clubs play possession football. We were a possession based team for much of our recent history, then things went badly wrong. The style of football isn't the problem, as you say though, we need the players to carry it out effectively and we need the manager to be a bit more pragmatic at times. He wears blinkers, it seems to me, only sees the one way when (again in my opinion) he needs to see the bigger picture. | |
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| That 2nd half on 10:03 - Jan 17 with 605 views | onehunglow |
| That 2nd half on 09:52 - Jan 17 by Catullus |
The most successful clubs play possession football. We were a possession based team for much of our recent history, then things went badly wrong. The style of football isn't the problem, as you say though, we need the players to carry it out effectively and we need the manager to be a bit more pragmatic at times. He wears blinkers, it seems to me, only sees the one way when (again in my opinion) he needs to see the bigger picture. |
AB. Solutely | |
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| That 2nd half on 10:18 - Jan 17 with 600 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| That 2nd half on 09:52 - Jan 17 by Catullus |
The most successful clubs play possession football. We were a possession based team for much of our recent history, then things went badly wrong. The style of football isn't the problem, as you say though, we need the players to carry it out effectively and we need the manager to be a bit more pragmatic at times. He wears blinkers, it seems to me, only sees the one way when (again in my opinion) he needs to see the bigger picture. |
Most successful clubs play smart and effective possession football, they don’t just keep the ball for the sake of it.
It’s a huge difference that not many seem to be able to grasp, quite amazingly. | |
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| That 2nd half on 11:58 - Jan 17 with 569 views | vetchonian |
| That 2nd half on 09:52 - Jan 17 by Catullus |
The most successful clubs play possession football. We were a possession based team for much of our recent history, then things went badly wrong. The style of football isn't the problem, as you say though, we need the players to carry it out effectively and we need the manager to be a bit more pragmatic at times. He wears blinkers, it seems to me, only sees the one way when (again in my opinion) he needs to see the bigger picture. |
Its the interpretation of possesion football, again ROberto and Laudrup were not fixated on possesion more about using the ball effectively and attacking...to do so you need the ball.
Our current manager is more fixated with keeping the ball...and then maybe working it to our advantage.
In terms of "blinkers" I think its more a case of ideals for Martin
I am now going to get "contraversial" I see Martin as an idealist...and this is so in his life and views outside of football. There is nothing wrong with that at all but sometimes having the idealist fundemanentals will affect your "proffesional" approach
I can recall being interviewed for one managerial post ( not football) and the interviewer commenting on my particpation in competeitve sport as being a plus as it demonstrated I was competetive and liked to win all good qulaities of a manager in business,
I see it that Martin has an "ideal" in his football philosphy which prevents him seeing things pragmatically and therefore the "bigger picture" | |
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| That 2nd half on 14:56 - Jan 17 with 504 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| That 2nd half on 11:58 - Jan 17 by vetchonian |
Its the interpretation of possesion football, again ROberto and Laudrup were not fixated on possesion more about using the ball effectively and attacking...to do so you need the ball.
Our current manager is more fixated with keeping the ball...and then maybe working it to our advantage.
In terms of "blinkers" I think its more a case of ideals for Martin
I am now going to get "contraversial" I see Martin as an idealist...and this is so in his life and views outside of football. There is nothing wrong with that at all but sometimes having the idealist fundemanentals will affect your "proffesional" approach
I can recall being interviewed for one managerial post ( not football) and the interviewer commenting on my particpation in competeitve sport as being a plus as it demonstrated I was competetive and liked to win all good qulaities of a manager in business,
I see it that Martin has an "ideal" in his football philosphy which prevents him seeing things pragmatically and therefore the "bigger picture" |
Most top managers have a perfectionist / obsessive streak. Players when buttering up new managers talk about "exceptional attention to detail".
Such an rigorous approach can have spin offs in time as "good habits" kick in and become automatic. Accurate passing in defence become accurate passing in the opponent box and increased composure and taking of correct options.
You see it with Croatian teams. Always technically proper and correct with the population not that much more than Wales. |  |
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| That 2nd half on 15:09 - Jan 17 with 490 views | vetchonian |
| That 2nd half on 14:56 - Jan 17 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Most top managers have a perfectionist / obsessive streak. Players when buttering up new managers talk about "exceptional attention to detail".
Such an rigorous approach can have spin offs in time as "good habits" kick in and become automatic. Accurate passing in defence become accurate passing in the opponent box and increased composure and taking of correct options.
You see it with Croatian teams. Always technically proper and correct with the population not that much more than Wales. |
Usually most top managers have an obsession for results and winning.
Twaeking their philosphy to suit their resources..whilst geting results then tweaking again to implement their ideal philosophy
What we are seeing with Martin is stubborness! | |
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| That 2nd half on 15:36 - Jan 17 with 475 views | raynor94 |
| That 2nd half on 15:09 - Jan 17 by vetchonian |
Usually most top managers have an obsession for results and winning.
Twaeking their philosphy to suit their resources..whilst geting results then tweaking again to implement their ideal philosophy
What we are seeing with Martin is stubborness! |
God your getting tedious, every post you make is a dig at Martin.
What we are seeing with you is your heartache at Cooper leaving, and venting your spleen on Martin |  |
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| That 2nd half on 16:03 - Jan 17 with 462 views | onehunglow |
| That 2nd half on 15:36 - Jan 17 by raynor94 |
God your getting tedious, every post you make is a dig at Martin.
What we are seeing with you is your heartache at Cooper leaving, and venting your spleen on Martin |
No more tedious than the pitiful posturing of fellow fans making out they are better fans,when at the same time,they agree with Vetch but not got the guts to say so.
Tedious ? My Harris | |
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| That 2nd half on 16:05 - Jan 17 with 460 views | KeithHaynes |
| That 2nd half on 16:03 - Jan 17 by onehunglow |
No more tedious than the pitiful posturing of fellow fans making out they are better fans,when at the same time,they agree with Vetch but not got the guts to say so.
Tedious ? My Harris |
Mr Swansea City ? Chopper. | |
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| That 2nd half on 16:06 - Jan 17 with 456 views | onehunglow |
| That 2nd half on 15:09 - Jan 17 by vetchonian |
Usually most top managers have an obsession for results and winning.
Twaeking their philosphy to suit their resources..whilst geting results then tweaking again to implement their ideal philosophy
What we are seeing with Martin is stubborness! |
Martin has decent enough players. He needs to actually manage them.
We can do ok in this league but look where we actually are right now.
We were miles better than Hudds but they are way ahead of us ,that s because their manager is pragmatic .
Martins gets it right v Preston and we can relax a bit . | |
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| That 2nd half on 16:07 - Jan 17 with 458 views | vetchonian |
| That 2nd half on 15:36 - Jan 17 by raynor94 |
God your getting tedious, every post you make is a dig at Martin.
What we are seeing with you is your heartache at Cooper leaving, and venting your spleen on Martin |
Yet another post where you decide to bring up our previous manager
Get a grip man I have an opinion as does everyone else and I am free to post that as others have done so and lets not forget it was ok to have a dig at our previous manager last season desppite us getting results.
I am well over COoper leaving my concern is now with our current state and whilst some folk "believe" with time the current manager will get it right I am not toatlly coinvinced but he has my support....doesnt mean I cant offer an opinion.
I congratulated him and the team in a post folowing Saturdays result getting a point away at a form team...in fact we could have got all 3 ...lets now see how he sets us up at home and how do we perform over 90 mins
As I have said my opinion on Martin is based on all the research I have done into his past and his curent operation with us...
I beleive he is fixated with a style of play he is an idealist and therefore his approach may be blinded....My post was in response to Cats who thinks MArtin is wearing blinkers like lots of the postewrs on here who have rose tinted ones on but thats the beautyof this place we all have different opinions and are free to express them | |
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| That 2nd half on 16:14 - Jan 17 with 452 views | onehunglow |
| That 2nd half on 16:07 - Jan 17 by vetchonian |
Yet another post where you decide to bring up our previous manager
Get a grip man I have an opinion as does everyone else and I am free to post that as others have done so and lets not forget it was ok to have a dig at our previous manager last season desppite us getting results.
I am well over COoper leaving my concern is now with our current state and whilst some folk "believe" with time the current manager will get it right I am not toatlly coinvinced but he has my support....doesnt mean I cant offer an opinion.
I congratulated him and the team in a post folowing Saturdays result getting a point away at a form team...in fact we could have got all 3 ...lets now see how he sets us up at home and how do we perform over 90 mins
As I have said my opinion on Martin is based on all the research I have done into his past and his curent operation with us...
I beleive he is fixated with a style of play he is an idealist and therefore his approach may be blinded....My post was in response to Cats who thinks MArtin is wearing blinkers like lots of the postewrs on here who have rose tinted ones on but thats the beautyof this place we all have different opinions and are free to express them |
Vetch.
Make no mistake, you’re a great poster as you post honestly and like me are not scared of the inevitable poison being an independent minded individual gets .
Facebook worse. Loads of I’ve supported the swans for 10/15/20/25 years drivel. It’s eye bleeding.
Remember a recently banned poster stated how great a fan he was as he did the HARD MILES.
Christ, Ivecseen us at Leeds Rd on a wet January evening with 100 other swans fans but I wouldn’t describe it as hard .why do people crow about how loyal they are .
Be proud Ray has called you out. Lifelong might get into you too if yiu keep it up.
Keep the faith and speak the truth as you see it.
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| That 2nd half on 20:41 - Jan 17 with 410 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| That 2nd half on 21:45 - Jan 15 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The vision of the club is extremely ambitious. It is to be the Manchester city of the championship. This will take time its obvious. Brendan proved you do not need world beaters to play this way with the likes of Taylor Rangel, Williams, Monk and Tate in the back 5. |
What? The Man City before the Arabs took over? We haven’t got much money you ‘eader |  |
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