| Angela Rayner on 18:36 - Feb 19 with 2071 views | onehunglow |
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| Angela Rayner on 19:16 - Feb 19 with 2044 views | Catullus |
| Angela Rayner on 18:36 - Feb 19 by onehunglow |
Id give her my |
Put some Bromide in your tea mun  | |
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| Angela Rayner on 20:02 - Feb 19 with 2003 views | onehunglow |
| Angela Rayner on 19:16 - Feb 19 by Catullus |
Put some Bromide in your tea mun |
Ive had worse.
Bit rough they were down the Rank but in those days,we had mini shirts and hot pants.
She looks filthy to
I d like to interview her | |
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| Angela Rayner on 01:17 - Feb 20 with 1941 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Angela Rayner on 19:16 - Feb 19 by Catullus |
Put some Bromide in your tea mun |
Love a hate Labour story don’t you |  |
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| Angela Rayner on 10:19 - Feb 20 with 1900 views | Catullus |
| Angela Rayner on 01:17 - Feb 20 by Brynmill_Jack |
Love a hate Labour story don’t you |
It's not a hate Labour story. If Rayner is talking like this it makes her as bad as the tories you hate and that should really concern you, its not about hate, it's about reality. Labour supporters should be asking to get her removed, lord knows Starmer wants rid of her. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 11:06 - Feb 20 with 1877 views | onehunglow |
| Angela Rayner on 10:19 - Feb 20 by Catullus |
It's not a hate Labour story. If Rayner is talking like this it makes her as bad as the tories you hate and that should really concern you, its not about hate, it's about reality. Labour supporters should be asking to get her removed, lord knows Starmer wants rid of her. |
Maybe Rayner is genuine and speaking for the "ordinary" people filth like Corbyn abandoned.
Labour and indeed the country needed this to be said.
Criminals should be crushed and that includes their family unit.
There,I said it. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 11:25 - Feb 20 with 1858 views | jack_lord |
| Angela Rayner on 11:06 - Feb 20 by onehunglow |
Maybe Rayner is genuine and speaking for the "ordinary" people filth like Corbyn abandoned.
Labour and indeed the country needed this to be said.
Criminals should be crushed and that includes their family unit.
There,I said it. |
I had a long conversation with my govt pal on Thursday. Corbyn benefitted from sneaking in to the leadership contest with just enough votes and then the double whammy of new member voters that say plenty of the crazy left in to let him win. That loon should never have been allowed to have led the party.
We also talked about the party and how right wing policies are certainly OK and how the party benefitted under someone who won consecutive elections because they did so. I'm not a Raynor fan but if she is genuine then great. She is a politician and is probably lying. The right man in in charge if he can grow a pair and find some charisma. |  |
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| Angela Rayner on 11:29 - Feb 20 with 1853 views | onehunglow |
| Angela Rayner on 11:25 - Feb 20 by jack_lord |
I had a long conversation with my govt pal on Thursday. Corbyn benefitted from sneaking in to the leadership contest with just enough votes and then the double whammy of new member voters that say plenty of the crazy left in to let him win. That loon should never have been allowed to have led the party.
We also talked about the party and how right wing policies are certainly OK and how the party benefitted under someone who won consecutive elections because they did so. I'm not a Raynor fan but if she is genuine then great. She is a politician and is probably lying. The right man in in charge if he can grow a pair and find some charisma. |
Good Morning J
Im too upset to argue today | |
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| Angela Rayner on 11:46 - Feb 20 with 1845 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Ha! She’s a strange one alright. For the past few years she’s been on her knees railing against vicious police brutality and systemic and institutional racism, misogyny and homophobia. Now suddenly she’s endorsing extrajudicial summary executions on the roadside. Make your mind up mate.
She really is an idiot. How she’s been parachuted into such a position when she left school with more kids than GCSEs is beyond me. | | | |
| Angela Rayner on 11:51 - Feb 20 with 1839 views | trampie |
| Angela Rayner on 11:25 - Feb 20 by jack_lord |
I had a long conversation with my govt pal on Thursday. Corbyn benefitted from sneaking in to the leadership contest with just enough votes and then the double whammy of new member voters that say plenty of the crazy left in to let him win. That loon should never have been allowed to have led the party.
We also talked about the party and how right wing policies are certainly OK and how the party benefitted under someone who won consecutive elections because they did so. I'm not a Raynor fan but if she is genuine then great. She is a politician and is probably lying. The right man in in charge if he can grow a pair and find some charisma. |
The right wing have taken over Labour, Labour should be a left wing socialist party, the people that are in the 'wrong' are the right wing people that have taken over what was once and still should be a left wing party, it's these right wing people that shoud be kicked out of Labour, or form their own party or join another party not traditional Labour people who believe in socialist principles
Unfortunately the right wing are running the Labour party hence why Labour is another right wing, unionist, royalist Westminster party. |  |
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| Angela Rayner on 11:56 - Feb 20 with 1831 views | onehunglow |
The left ,if it is to be a party of the ordinary person, needs to have a strong police system. Poor people need protecting more than rich.
It should not be down to Tories to be the party of law and order
They are anything but | |
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| Angela Rayner on 11:56 - Feb 20 with 1831 views | jack_lord |
| Angela Rayner on 11:29 - Feb 20 by onehunglow |
Good Morning J
Im too upset to argue today |
I know how you feel R. My stream went down in the second half and I said enough and didn't other restarting I was so dismayed.
Wasn't going for an argument :) | |
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| Angela Rayner on 12:12 - Feb 20 with 1802 views | onehunglow |
| Angela Rayner on 11:56 - Feb 20 by jack_lord |
I know how you feel R. My stream went down in the second half and I said enough and didn't other restarting I was so dismayed.
Wasn't going for an argument :) |
I paid in error for it twice and admitted it to wifey.
I am now on the naughty step and it’s Bournemouth next.
She doesn’t seem to like Swansea much.
Next week it’s England v Wales so she had better behave as I have a small beer chilling . | |
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| Angela Rayner on 13:07 - Feb 20 with 1780 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Angela Rayner on 11:51 - Feb 20 by trampie |
The right wing have taken over Labour, Labour should be a left wing socialist party, the people that are in the 'wrong' are the right wing people that have taken over what was once and still should be a left wing party, it's these right wing people that shoud be kicked out of Labour, or form their own party or join another party not traditional Labour people who believe in socialist principles
Unfortunately the right wing are running the Labour party hence why Labour is another right wing, unionist, royalist Westminster party. |
The problem with that is though Trampie is that a huge swathe of Labours target audience are not particularly socialist. They are generally patriotic and unionist. A lot are pro brexit. It’s this group that have abandoned labour during the Corbyn experiment.
The Labour Party was built on the hard work of the working class, the unions of the millers, the miners, the dockers, the steelworkers, the factory workers, the bakers, the butchers, the cobblers, the smiths etc. These industries have been systematically sold abroad over the last four decades. Who does the Labour Party represent now we’ve moved away from manufacturing towards a service economy?
The memory of the likes of Emily thornberry sneering down her nose at a St. George’s flag and white van in Rochester sums up the contempt the modern Labour Party has for the sort of person it was set up to represent. When you hear the words “straight white male” uttered as a pejorative term by labour MP’s you have to wonder how the hell do they think they are going to win back the working class? | | | |
| Angela Rayner on 14:12 - Feb 20 with 1738 views | majorraglan |
| Angela Rayner on 11:51 - Feb 20 by trampie |
The right wing have taken over Labour, Labour should be a left wing socialist party, the people that are in the 'wrong' are the right wing people that have taken over what was once and still should be a left wing party, it's these right wing people that shoud be kicked out of Labour, or form their own party or join another party not traditional Labour people who believe in socialist principles
Unfortunately the right wing are running the Labour party hence why Labour is another right wing, unionist, royalist Westminster party. |
The party of Corbyn et al was deeply unelectable, he couldn’t beat Teresa May and was smashed by Boris. Turning the party in to a very left wing party will see it go in back in to the political wilderness. To ensure we have good governance we need a Government with a majority, but not the 80 plus majority we have now and we need a strong opposition. What your advocating will see the continuation of the 80 plus majority situation and deliver an ineffective opposition.
I do not believe in summary executions of terrorists etc (and I don’t believe that’s what Rayner meant) but in the event of a situation where a genuine terrorist is making genuine threats then our security services need to know they will be backed if they need to take decisive action. | | | |
| Angela Rayner on 14:27 - Feb 20 with 1729 views | Catullus |
| Angela Rayner on 11:51 - Feb 20 by trampie |
The right wing have taken over Labour, Labour should be a left wing socialist party, the people that are in the 'wrong' are the right wing people that have taken over what was once and still should be a left wing party, it's these right wing people that shoud be kicked out of Labour, or form their own party or join another party not traditional Labour people who believe in socialist principles
Unfortunately the right wing are running the Labour party hence why Labour is another right wing, unionist, royalist Westminster party. |
What you want then is a party that will never again challenge the tories, will never be elected and so will be hopeless opposition.
I dont think that's what anybody needs or wants.
Better for Labour to be a centrist left wing party, to mix and match the acceptable policies from left and right and to aim for a fairer society.
If the Labour party you want is the Corbyn model then think on, it was Corbyn who drove so many Labour voters to vote for Bojo. The vast majority of us seem to disagree with you politically. You are in the past, a hangover from a time that no longer exists. Politics has changed, left and right are quickly fading into obscurity. Now it's about good policy whether it's considered left or right or anywhere in between.
Of course under Bojo we don't have so much good anything except lying, self interest, corruption.... | |
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| Angela Rayner on 15:07 - Feb 20 with 1701 views | trampie |
| Angela Rayner on 14:12 - Feb 20 by majorraglan |
The party of Corbyn et al was deeply unelectable, he couldn’t beat Teresa May and was smashed by Boris. Turning the party in to a very left wing party will see it go in back in to the political wilderness. To ensure we have good governance we need a Government with a majority, but not the 80 plus majority we have now and we need a strong opposition. What your advocating will see the continuation of the 80 plus majority situation and deliver an ineffective opposition.
I do not believe in summary executions of terrorists etc (and I don’t believe that’s what Rayner meant) but in the event of a situation where a genuine terrorist is making genuine threats then our security services need to know they will be backed if they need to take decisive action. |
But why use the Labour party ?, why steal Labours 'brand', they should have no right to be in the Labour party, if people in England don't want to vote for a traditional Labour party that is up to them, these red Tories should not be in the Labour party, they should form their own party or join the Conservative and Unionist party (or the Lib-Dems) why do they join what was (and still should be) a left wing party ? | |
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| Angela Rayner on 15:38 - Feb 20 with 1686 views | jack_lord |
| Angela Rayner on 13:07 - Feb 20 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
The problem with that is though Trampie is that a huge swathe of Labours target audience are not particularly socialist. They are generally patriotic and unionist. A lot are pro brexit. It’s this group that have abandoned labour during the Corbyn experiment.
The Labour Party was built on the hard work of the working class, the unions of the millers, the miners, the dockers, the steelworkers, the factory workers, the bakers, the butchers, the cobblers, the smiths etc. These industries have been systematically sold abroad over the last four decades. Who does the Labour Party represent now we’ve moved away from manufacturing towards a service economy?
The memory of the likes of Emily thornberry sneering down her nose at a St. George’s flag and white van in Rochester sums up the contempt the modern Labour Party has for the sort of person it was set up to represent. When you hear the words “straight white male” uttered as a pejorative term by labour MP’s you have to wonder how the hell do they think they are going to win back the working class? |
Thank you for typing that for me. I had to go out and was going to mention that the history of the Labour voters was more social democratic or democratic socialists thanks to the union growth against the backdrop of the massive inequality of wealth. How that can be reflected in our modern society with modern division of labour with the voting public and their parties is much more complex. It's not socialism versus fascism. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 15:43 - Feb 20 with 1679 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Angela Rayner on 15:07 - Feb 20 by trampie |
But why use the Labour party ?, why steal Labours 'brand', they should have no right to be in the Labour party, if people in England don't want to vote for a traditional Labour party that is up to them, these red Tories should not be in the Labour party, they should form their own party or join the Conservative and Unionist party (or the Lib-Dems) why do they join what was (and still should be) a left wing party ? |
But history shows the result of that Trampie. We have a recent example with the SDP. The result was a massive split in the labour vote that kept the tories in for 15 years. | | | |
| Angela Rayner on 15:56 - Feb 20 with 1663 views | trampie |
| Angela Rayner on 15:43 - Feb 20 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
But history shows the result of that Trampie. We have a recent example with the SDP. The result was a massive split in the labour vote that kept the tories in for 15 years. |
Why steal Labours brand, why become another Tory party and be called Labour, when old Labour stood for something else, why don't these people be honest and say they are Tories ?, why don't they form their own party and not infiltrate Labour and put forward Tory policies, they are traitors to the working class and poor, the founding fathers of Labour would be turning in their graves. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 15:58 - Feb 20 with 1658 views | trampie |
| Angela Rayner on 15:38 - Feb 20 by jack_lord |
Thank you for typing that for me. I had to go out and was going to mention that the history of the Labour voters was more social democratic or democratic socialists thanks to the union growth against the backdrop of the massive inequality of wealth. How that can be reflected in our modern society with modern division of labour with the voting public and their parties is much more complex. It's not socialism versus fascism. |
We are all middle class now according to NuLabour and that has come from the very top of the party, they are no longer the party of the working class or poor, they represent the middle class and have done now for decades. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 16:17 - Feb 20 with 1642 views | Lohengrin |
| Angela Rayner on 15:58 - Feb 20 by trampie |
We are all middle class now according to NuLabour and that has come from the very top of the party, they are no longer the party of the working class or poor, they represent the middle class and have done now for decades. |
For saying that you’re a home owner with a couple of vehicles on the drive who hobby-dabbles in stocks and shares. You don’t bear much resemblance to the protagonists in ‘The Road to Wigan Pier,’ if you don’t mind me saying, Tramp.
We’ve been here a dozen times and my take is always the same: British folk alone among European peoples appear uniquely resistant to the lure of rigid doctrine, of political dogma.
As I’ve often said it has been my experience that working folk taken in broad sweep, dress instinctively to the left economically, to the right socially. Just my impression based on four decades and more of conversation but it has been an objective constant. |  |
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| Angela Rayner on 16:19 - Feb 20 with 1632 views | Catullus |
| Angela Rayner on 15:56 - Feb 20 by trampie |
Why steal Labours brand, why become another Tory party and be called Labour, when old Labour stood for something else, why don't these people be honest and say they are Tories ?, why don't they form their own party and not infiltrate Labour and put forward Tory policies, they are traitors to the working class and poor, the founding fathers of Labour would be turning in their graves. |
AS I have said, Trampie, the world has changed. The world the party you talk about no longer exists.
Todays poor aren't as badly off as they were in the 1920's. They can have free healthcare, free schooling and get benefits. Working conditions are vastly better too.
Could things be better and fairer, obviously yes but a typical working family of the 1920's would look at todays version and in most cases call it luxury.
Another truth is the people you castigate are not tory, there may only be a fag paper between them but the are just not as left wing as you would like.
The world has changed, politics has changed. You can't compare the world today to the 1920's. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 17:44 - Feb 20 with 1588 views | trampie |
| Angela Rayner on 16:17 - Feb 20 by Lohengrin |
For saying that you’re a home owner with a couple of vehicles on the drive who hobby-dabbles in stocks and shares. You don’t bear much resemblance to the protagonists in ‘The Road to Wigan Pier,’ if you don’t mind me saying, Tramp.
We’ve been here a dozen times and my take is always the same: British folk alone among European peoples appear uniquely resistant to the lure of rigid doctrine, of political dogma.
As I’ve often said it has been my experience that working folk taken in broad sweep, dress instinctively to the left economically, to the right socially. Just my impression based on four decades and more of conversation but it has been an objective constant. |
What a person describes themselves as and what other people describe them as can often be two different things, how people pigeon hole me is irrelevant to the fact that red Tories have to all intensive purposes taken over the Labour party .
I wouldn't disagree with your broad take on working folk.
Labour getting taken over by red Tories is sneaky and shocking, things are painted by the Tory press and like that Labour traditionalists, often grassroots types should be kicked out of their own party to let the red Tories have total control.
As you probably know as you have often commented on my posts that I have voted Plaid for 30 odd years as I think that politically Labour abandoned the likes of me by becoming another Tory party, I voted for Foot in 83. | |
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| Angela Rayner on 18:31 - Feb 20 with 1566 views | jack_lord |
| Angela Rayner on 17:44 - Feb 20 by trampie |
What a person describes themselves as and what other people describe them as can often be two different things, how people pigeon hole me is irrelevant to the fact that red Tories have to all intensive purposes taken over the Labour party .
I wouldn't disagree with your broad take on working folk.
Labour getting taken over by red Tories is sneaky and shocking, things are painted by the Tory press and like that Labour traditionalists, often grassroots types should be kicked out of their own party to let the red Tories have total control.
As you probably know as you have often commented on my posts that I have voted Plaid for 30 odd years as I think that politically Labour abandoned the likes of me by becoming another Tory party, I voted for Foot in 83. |
They are not red tories. That is almost certainly not a thing unlike jews for jesus. They are just far more social democratic than you would like. I'm going to hark back to the late 19th and early 20th century. The foundations of the party were not all socialist but a mixture of social democratic voters which eventually saw the decline of the Liberal party. | |
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