| Rwanda flight 21:14 - Jun 14 with 17933 views | Gwyn737 |
Looks like there’s a fair chance that it’ll take off with no passengers.
Liz Truss wants it still to fly as it will “establish the route”. |  | | |  |
| Rwanda flight on 12:09 - Jun 30 with 1381 views | onehunglow |
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| Rwanda flight on 09:59 - Jul 1 with 1287 views | controversial_jack |
| Rwanda flight on 22:28 - Jul 23 by Gwyn737 |
It’s not Ukrainians who are/were being threatened with Rwanda. They’ve got a legal route to arrive and be processed. Afghans, Syrians etc. haven’t.
I don’t think it’s necessary race related. More nationalism used to blame the wrong people. |
The majority of the Ukraine hasn't seen war. No idea why they have come over here. | | | |
| Rwanda flight on 16:52 - Jul 2 with 1237 views | builthjack |
Those Rwanda flights went well. Not.
Who’s idea was it? |  |
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| Rwanda flight on 17:22 - Jul 2 with 1216 views | controversial_jack |
| Rwanda flight on 16:52 - Jul 2 by builthjack |
Those Rwanda flights went well. Not.
Who’s idea was it? |
I hope they stop the govt people trafficking | | | |
| Rwanda flight on 17:50 - Jul 2 with 1202 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Rwanda flight on 17:22 - Jul 2 by controversial_jack |
I hope they stop the govt people trafficking |
Its against the law. |  |
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| Rwanda flight on 18:57 - Jul 2 with 1185 views | raynor94 |
| Rwanda flight on 17:50 - Jul 2 by Kilkennyjack |
Its against the law. |
Supreme Court will soon overturn the judgement.
And we can get on with the job of shipping undesirables out.
Hopefully the Stradey Park lot first |  |
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| Rwanda flight on 21:00 - Jul 2 with 1159 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Rwanda flight on 18:57 - Jul 2 by raynor94 |
Supreme Court will soon overturn the judgement.
And we can get on with the job of shipping undesirables out.
Hopefully the Stradey Park lot first |
I don't think they will. While I am all for better immigartion controls this was always a stupid idea. | | | |
| Rwanda flight on 22:36 - Jul 2 with 1130 views | builthjack |
Over the years we have taken many in. Many..
As have other countries. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Rwanda flight on 23:19 - Jul 2 with 1119 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Rwanda flight on 21:00 - Jul 2 by SullutaCreturned |
I don't think they will. While I am all for better immigartion controls this was always a stupid idea. |
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| Rwanda flight on 23:34 - Jul 2 with 1115 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
If I was sent to Rwanda for my work I would have gone subject to T&Cs. If Rwanda is good enough for me it is good enough for illegal immigrants. |  |
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| Rwanda flight on 23:59 - Jul 2 with 1108 views | controversial_jack |
| Rwanda flight on 23:34 - Jul 2 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If I was sent to Rwanda for my work I would have gone subject to T&Cs. If Rwanda is good enough for me it is good enough for illegal immigrants. |
You could have declined, they can't | | | |
| Rwanda flight on 00:36 - Jul 3 with 1105 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
UK can decline to keep the here. That is also a choice.
UK obligations are to put them in a place free of being under threat with the right to peace safety and comfort. I consider I would get all these things in Rwanda.
UK is a welfare state. Getting onto UK soil is not the only requirement to benefit from what we fought for. | |
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| Rwanda flight on 07:18 - Jul 3 with 1077 views | AnotherJohn |
Rwanda has been presented as an exemplary case in moving towards comprehensive public healthcare coverage for its population - an African pathfinder when compared with richer countries like Nigeria that have made minimal progress on this.
https://www.afro.who.int/news/
What strikes me is that some of the same "progressive" voices that were heaping praise on Rwanda's social programmes a couple of years ago are suddenly saying that the country is beyond the pale. That is what happens once a country features in the immigration debate, | | | |
| Rwanda flight on 09:24 - Jul 3 with 1058 views | controversial_jack |
| Rwanda flight on 00:36 - Jul 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
UK can decline to keep the here. That is also a choice.
UK obligations are to put them in a place free of being under threat with the right to peace safety and comfort. I consider I would get all these things in Rwanda.
UK is a welfare state. Getting onto UK soil is not the only requirement to benefit from what we fought for. |
You are making a big assumption that they are coming here to scrounge from our welfare state. They want to work like anyone else and make a better life. Incidentally, our welfare state in no more generous than many other European countries, in many cases it's not as good | | | |
| Rwanda flight on 13:07 - Jul 6 with 980 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Rwanda flight on 09:24 - Jul 3 by controversial_jack |
You are making a big assumption that they are coming here to scrounge from our welfare state. They want to work like anyone else and make a better life. Incidentally, our welfare state in no more generous than many other European countries, in many cases it's not as good |
Far better than most European Countries none of them offer free health care for illegal immigrants, tourist and visitors alike.
Add in free education as well.
Most European countries do offer welfare benefits but none offer free health care, espellcially to visitors, you have pay every time you visit a doctor . | |
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| Rwanda flight on 15:45 - Jul 6 with 957 views | AnotherJohn |
| Rwanda flight on 13:07 - Jul 6 by felixstowe_jack |
Far better than most European Countries none of them offer free health care for illegal immigrants, tourist and visitors alike.
Add in free education as well.
Most European countries do offer welfare benefits but none offer free health care, espellcially to visitors, you have pay every time you visit a doctor . |
It is true there are more hoops for migrants to jump through to get low-cost or free healthcare in most European countries (several have co-payments even for citizens). Would the migrants not be better off in Rwanda with its widely-praised universal healthcare coverage?  | | | |
| Rwanda flight on 08:48 - Jul 7 with 874 views | Boundy |
| Rwanda flight on 20:50 - Jul 6 by controversial_jack |
Most migrants are young fit and healthy. They will need the NHS less than the native Brits will [Post edited 7 Jul 2023 0:00]
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and you know this as a fact ?. I don't believe that the UK Border Agency have ever released a detailed breakdown of sex age ,family group sizes etc | |
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| Rwanda flight on 11:34 - Jul 7 with 855 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Rwanda flight on 20:50 - Jul 6 by controversial_jack |
Most migrants are young fit and healthy. They will need the NHS less than the native Brits will [Post edited 7 Jul 2023 0:00]
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That’s quite a short term view. It won’t be long before everyone who is young and healthy now will be old and ill. Just a few short decades and the nhs will have to absorb an extra 606,000 (last years figure and rising) extra people a year. |  |
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| Rwanda flight on 14:14 - Jul 7 with 836 views | Gwyn737 |
| Rwanda flight on 11:34 - Jul 7 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
That’s quite a short term view. It won’t be long before everyone who is young and healthy now will be old and ill. Just a few short decades and the nhs will have to absorb an extra 606,000 (last years figure and rising) extra people a year. |
That's true.
It's still no reason to treat children like this:
The Tory Party need to learn that wanting to control immigration doesn't require you to turn into some kind of Disney villan. | | | |
| Rwanda flight on 16:37 - Jul 7 with 810 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Rwanda flight on 14:14 - Jul 7 by Gwyn737 |
That's true.
It's still no reason to treat children like this:
The Tory Party need to learn that wanting to control immigration doesn't require you to turn into some kind of Disney villan. |
Sorry to correct you, Gwyn, but the tories just need to LEARN full stop.
Learn to not be contemptible, lying, cheating, generally dishonest, untrustworthy blowhards. | | | |
| Rwanda flight on 17:33 - Jul 7 with 799 views | AnotherJohn |
| Rwanda flight on 20:50 - Jul 6 by controversial_jack |
Most migrants are young fit and healthy. They will need the NHS less than the native Brits will [Post edited 7 Jul 2023 0:00]
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Hard to predict. Sweden found a higher than expected need for mental health services, and Germany imposed regulations to limit utilisation of dentistry services where there was high migrant demand. One wonders about high rates of tobacco use in males from many middle eastern countries, plus an absence of public health measures such as vaccination for many younger people in their country of origin. To the extent that there are significant numbers of women and children, reproductive and child health services are the next most expensive area after care associated with ageing. After the NHS was established in 1948 the backlog of untreated need (in a population that had not had access to low-cost public healthcare) meant that costs rose faster than had been anticipated. It may be that those arriving by boat are similar in that regard. | | | |
| Rwanda flight on 17:49 - Jul 7 with 792 views | controversial_jack |
| Rwanda flight on 11:34 - Jul 7 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
That’s quite a short term view. It won’t be long before everyone who is young and healthy now will be old and ill. Just a few short decades and the nhs will have to absorb an extra 606,000 (last years figure and rising) extra people a year. |
They would have been working and paying taxes by then, just like you and I | | | |
| Rwanda flight on 17:52 - Jul 7 with 788 views | controversial_jack |
| Rwanda flight on 08:48 - Jul 7 by Boundy |
and you know this as a fact ?. I don't believe that the UK Border Agency have ever released a detailed breakdown of sex age ,family group sizes etc |
It's not official, but this may help slightly
https://www.bruegel.org/blog-p | | | |
| Rwanda flight on 19:38 - Jul 7 with 775 views | AnotherJohn |
| Rwanda flight on 17:49 - Jul 7 by controversial_jack |
They would have been working and paying taxes by then, just like you and I |
The problem with that argument is that a worker needs to be earning well over £40K p.a. before they make a net fiscal contribution, and not so many irregular migrants are likely to be in that situation. The step cost of increasing health and social services provision if the present volumes of arrivals continue (circa a million a year) is likely to far exceed the extra tax take from migrants in work. Imagine what the situation would be if our fan base grew rapidly. We would extend the stadium to cope for a while, but then we would come to a position where a new stadium was required and costs rocket. | | | |
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