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I can produce lawyers, ex-Judges, professors and historians who 100% agree with my position and have said so publicly... If you bothered to look at the issue you'd find them also.
Do they qualify as being experts? Or do you need to be somebody on Swans Independent who has been open about what they do for a living (Barrister/Professor) to qualify as a World authority on such matters?
Some of us have a track record of success ourselves and back ourselves, I am not as impressed as you by somebody's job title. I'm quite happy to pit my wits against somebody on the subjects that I know. Happy to learn from people if they can make rational arguments that make sense to me and back their point of view up with evidence...as long as they are also happy to learn from me. Ideologues who make assertions and put forward 'evidence' that is shot through with holes are not worth my time...
...take the rantings of Kilkenny above. The strange thing is that on most other subjects people on here see straight through Kilkenny's nonsense...but some make an exception for Trump, preferring emotion over fact.
I know the U.S. Constitution. I studied it. I also know of a Court Case where precedent was set... the President has the power to declassify documents, he does not have to answer to anybody on that front. It is protected in the Constitution.
Every single U.S. President has had the power to declassify documents and has kept documents. None of them were raided. Obama has a tonne of documents. Hilary Clinton (whilst serving as Secretary of State) circumvented secret service supervision of her e-mails...because she wanted to continue accepting money from foreign governments via 'The Clinton Foundation' while in office...she had her people attempt to destroy the evidence...no FBI raid, no prosecution (she sounds like one of those corrupt Tories you get your knickers in a twist about doesn't she, but you are fine with that and go with the idea that Trump has broken the law from a position of complete ignorance. It is the likes of you who are blind Cat. Those in power know they can depend on the general public's ignorance and laziness...it's easier to just go along with whatever the media is telling you to think/feel isn't it.
I note that you didn't address the points I made... "What do you think the BBC would have been doing if Trump had the homes of Obama and Clinton raided in 2018 Cat? If people on the right (ex-CIA directors) were floating the idea of executing Obama. Look in the mirror, ask yourself how you would have responded.
The law/rules have to be applied equally or they are meaningless
When are we going to see Biden impeached for the revelations about his corruption on Hunter's laptop? Wake up."
...and your last paragraph is basically a justification of corruption
Ok so you think you know USa law better than USA legal professionals, still arrogant.
I don't know what the BBC would be saying and I won't assume either. If Trump had done this I would say the same thing, it's their laws, their issues which they know better than I. I cannot judge, by what I know, that what they are doing is legal or not.
Of course the law should be applied equally but we all know it isn't.
if Biden broke the law then it's up to the US legal system to take action. I don't know enough about it to be certain he did break the law.
My last paragraph doesnt justify corruption, don't be absurd, I said they have reaped what they have sown which is true. They have been very stupid, they made a bed and now they have to lay on it. All it has lead to is endless claims and counterclaims from people who are seemingly making legal judgements based on their political affiliations. It;s a mess of their own making.
We have enough of a mess in our own country to sort out. A corrupt government, a useless opposition who are no angels themselves. The Americans have to sort their own mess out, nothing I say will make a difference. Still though, I won't presume to know more about their laws and their constitution than American lgal experts, that would be very silly of me. I'll leave it with this, it just looks a mess but whatever is said or done it seems there is a process that has to be followed and the claim is that Trump didn't follow that process,
The Judge who approved the Trump search warrant, Bruce Reinhart (Epstein's corrupt lawyer - who switched sides when he was meant to be sending Epstein to jail but realised he could make a lot more money protecting the establishment peadophiles instead), recused himself 6 weeks ago from the Trump lawsuit against Hilary Clinton...
...you recuse yourself when you have a conflict of interest; "The undersigned Magistrate Judge, to whom the above-styled cause has been assigned, hereby recuses himself and refers the case to the Clerk of Court for reassignment pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 455" The code referred to says; "Any justice, judge or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned ...
...but then 6 weeks later he was able to sign this warrant.
I can produce lawyers, ex-Judges, professors and historians who 100% agree with my position and have said so publicly... If you bothered to look at the issue you'd find them also.
Do they qualify as being experts? Or do you need to be somebody on Swans Independent who has been open about what they do for a living (Barrister/Professor) to qualify as a World authority on such matters?
Some of us have a track record of success ourselves and back ourselves, I am not as impressed as you by somebody's job title. I'm quite happy to pit my wits against somebody on the subjects that I know. Happy to learn from people if they can make rational arguments that make sense to me and back their point of view up with evidence...as long as they are also happy to learn from me. Ideologues who make assertions and put forward 'evidence' that is shot through with holes are not worth my time...
...take the rantings of Kilkenny above. The strange thing is that on most other subjects people on here see straight through Kilkenny's nonsense...but some make an exception for Trump, preferring emotion over fact.
Our very own Michael Gove …. ‘I think people have had quite enough of experts’… !
Think brain operation and then hopefully an expert will start to appeal to you. Maybe tbe offer to do it cheaper from Phil down the pub suddenly appeals rather less ….🤡
Trump has broken the law. Trump is going to jail.
Beware of the Risen People
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Not so Sleepy Joe on 15:41 - Aug 14 with 989 views
Not so Sleepy Joe on 15:02 - Aug 14 by Kilkennyjack
Our very own Michael Gove …. ‘I think people have had quite enough of experts’… !
Think brain operation and then hopefully an expert will start to appeal to you. Maybe tbe offer to do it cheaper from Phil down the pub suddenly appeals rather less ….🤡
Trump has broken the law. Trump is going to jail.
Anyone who can read English understands that you are misrepresenting what I said.
If the Left won't accept sources and experts from the right why would they expect people from the right to accept their 'experts'?
I can produce lawyers, ex-Judges, professors and historians who 100% agree with my position and have said so publicly... If you bothered to look at the issue you'd find them also.
Do they qualify as being experts? Or do you need to be somebody on Swans Independent who has been open about what they do for a living (Barrister/Professor) to qualify as a World authority on such matters?
Some of us have a track record of success ourselves and back ourselves, I am not as impressed as you by somebody's job title. I'm quite happy to pit my wits against somebody on the subjects that I know. Happy to learn from people if they can make rational arguments that make sense to me and back their point of view up with evidence...as long as they are also happy to learn from me. Ideologues who make assertions and put forward 'evidence' that is shot through with holes are not worth my time...
...take the rantings of Kilkenny above. The strange thing is that on most other subjects people on here see straight through Kilkenny's nonsense...but some make an exception for Trump, preferring emotion over fact.
If you are not impressed by job titles then there's no pint in producing the experts that you don't believe, is there?
If I bothered to look at the issue, that is very much the point, it's an issue in another country that you clearly care about a whole lot more than I.
Now Kilkenny, he is very based about the UK, he claims it doesn't exist which is plainly nonsense but that doesn't mean he's always wrong, though he does try hard to be!
I don't know your field of work, are you in the legal field? Knowing smething and understanding it are very different things. That was where I used to love exchanges with Davillin, he educated me more than a few times. Your problem is your assertion that you are intelligent and "they" are wrong, it comes across as arrogant and rubs people the wrong way in which case people will just disagree because whatever you say, emotion nearly always enters any argument. Humans are emotional creatures.
PS, these experts you can produce, or do you mean provide links to, are they American? if they are then they are probably entwined in the political dogma that's tearing the USA apart, as guilty of being political as anybody. The USA is a mess.
If you are not impressed by job titles then there's no pint in producing the experts that you don't believe, is there?
If I bothered to look at the issue, that is very much the point, it's an issue in another country that you clearly care about a whole lot more than I.
Now Kilkenny, he is very based about the UK, he claims it doesn't exist which is plainly nonsense but that doesn't mean he's always wrong, though he does try hard to be!
I don't know your field of work, are you in the legal field? Knowing smething and understanding it are very different things. That was where I used to love exchanges with Davillin, he educated me more than a few times. Your problem is your assertion that you are intelligent and "they" are wrong, it comes across as arrogant and rubs people the wrong way in which case people will just disagree because whatever you say, emotion nearly always enters any argument. Humans are emotional creatures.
PS, these experts you can produce, or do you mean provide links to, are they American? if they are then they are probably entwined in the political dogma that's tearing the USA apart, as guilty of being political as anybody. The USA is a mess.
No Cat, you're a mess.
Earlier in this thread you stated that my opinion is not valid because...
"Ah, so you know the US legal system better than the people working in it then. What a genius you are. Are you a qualified legal professional then? Could you take on Sirjonalot in court?
You know, I reckon even Sirjonalot wouldn't make a statement like you just have because despite actually being a qualified legal professional, he doesn't know USA law and wouldn't say something as ignorant as you just have."
...but now you are saying;
"PS, these experts you can produce, or do you mean provide links to, are they American? if they are then they are probably entwined in the political dogma that's tearing the USA apart, as guilty of being political as anybody. The USA is a mess."
Do you understand that these are two contradictory statements Cat? It is the thought process of someone who is irrational and emotional. It clouds your judgement. This way of thinking puts you in the majority now...the fact that the general populace has been badly educated and encouraged to think in an emotional way and react to emotional appeals is not an accident Cat. It wasn't always so.
P.S. - Another contradiction from you... "If I bothered to look at the issue, that is very much the point, it's an issue in another country that you clearly care about a whole lot more than I." ...yet you have shown over the last 5/6 years that you care deeply. You are forever offering your opinions on Trump and defend the witch hunt against him. You spend a lot of time posting about it despite not being bothered to look at issues.
Earlier in this thread you stated that my opinion is not valid because...
"Ah, so you know the US legal system better than the people working in it then. What a genius you are. Are you a qualified legal professional then? Could you take on Sirjonalot in court?
You know, I reckon even Sirjonalot wouldn't make a statement like you just have because despite actually being a qualified legal professional, he doesn't know USA law and wouldn't say something as ignorant as you just have."
...but now you are saying;
"PS, these experts you can produce, or do you mean provide links to, are they American? if they are then they are probably entwined in the political dogma that's tearing the USA apart, as guilty of being political as anybody. The USA is a mess."
Do you understand that these are two contradictory statements Cat? It is the thought process of someone who is irrational and emotional. It clouds your judgement. This way of thinking puts you in the majority now...the fact that the general populace has been badly educated and encouraged to think in an emotional way and react to emotional appeals is not an accident Cat. It wasn't always so.
P.S. - Another contradiction from you... "If I bothered to look at the issue, that is very much the point, it's an issue in another country that you clearly care about a whole lot more than I." ...yet you have shown over the last 5/6 years that you care deeply. You are forever offering your opinions on Trump and defend the witch hunt against him. You spend a lot of time posting about it despite not being bothered to look at issues.
Empty vessels and all that.
No its still true, you are not qualified or entitled to decide if Trump is guilty or innocent, you are just entitled to an opinion which may be right or wrong. You do not know the US legal system, you are not qualified in it. Ask Jonalot if he would make such a statement.
Those US experts can be entwined in the political dogma because both side are, Trump and Biden, 2 sides of the same coin.
I'm not being emotional, there is nothing here to get me emotional because while I comment about it, I comment about lots of stuff that doesn't make my heart beat faster. Which emotional appeal am I listening too? At the moment it seems to be yours. So come on then, name these experts you can produce, lets see who they are.
I actually siad you care about it a lot more than I, which seems to very much be true. i do not care deeply about USA politics, in fact there are a few threads about that stuff that I have hidden because I don't care a great deal and got bored with the front page being clogged up with USA politics.
Dont you think "Witch Hunt" is an emotional response? Isnt declaring yourself to be intelligent an emotional and maybe egotisitic view?
I am entitled to opinions, I post on a lot of threads. it doesn't mean I get all worked up about them. That s an assumption that you have madebased on your emotional defence of trump no matter what. After all, I have been criticl of Biden too but you don't pick me up on that, you seem to think I am only anti Trump. To get me worked up and emotional the conversation needs to be a lot closer to home.
PS, if you want a cotradiction, how about your own words about producing experst then saying you dont put any faith in them? Can you see that's contradictory?
Earlier in this thread you stated that my opinion is not valid because...
"Ah, so you know the US legal system better than the people working in it then. What a genius you are. Are you a qualified legal professional then? Could you take on Sirjonalot in court?
You know, I reckon even Sirjonalot wouldn't make a statement like you just have because despite actually being a qualified legal professional, he doesn't know USA law and wouldn't say something as ignorant as you just have."
...but now you are saying;
"PS, these experts you can produce, or do you mean provide links to, are they American? if they are then they are probably entwined in the political dogma that's tearing the USA apart, as guilty of being political as anybody. The USA is a mess."
Do you understand that these are two contradictory statements Cat? It is the thought process of someone who is irrational and emotional. It clouds your judgement. This way of thinking puts you in the majority now...the fact that the general populace has been badly educated and encouraged to think in an emotional way and react to emotional appeals is not an accident Cat. It wasn't always so.
P.S. - Another contradiction from you... "If I bothered to look at the issue, that is very much the point, it's an issue in another country that you clearly care about a whole lot more than I." ...yet you have shown over the last 5/6 years that you care deeply. You are forever offering your opinions on Trump and defend the witch hunt against him. You spend a lot of time posting about it despite not being bothered to look at issues.
Empty vessels and all that.
Are you one of them Bots ?
It would explain a lot …..
If not, take some time off and do some long walks ðŸ‘
Beware of the Risen People
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Not so Sleepy Joe on 17:36 - Aug 14 with 918 views
WHICH U.S. PRESIDENT TOOK MORE DOCUMENTS THAN ANY PRESIDENT PREVIOUS AND RESISTED THE U.S. ARCHIVE'S ATTEMPTS TO RECOVER LARGE AMOUNTS OF THEM...AS A RESULT HE WAS SUED MORE THAN ANY OTHER U.S.PRESIDENT, HE RESISTED A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS? (HE SETTLED OUT OF COURT...NOBODY BROKE INTO HIS HOUSE)
Anybody brave enough to answer the question should explain why the law says that Trump should be treated differently. Professionals and experts are welcome to step right up and enlighten us.
WHICH U.S. PRESIDENT TOOK MORE DOCUMENTS THAN ANY PRESIDENT PREVIOUS AND RESISTED THE U.S. ARCHIVE'S ATTEMPTS TO RECOVER LARGE AMOUNTS OF THEM...AS A RESULT HE WAS SUED MORE THAN ANY OTHER U.S.PRESIDENT, HE RESISTED A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS? (HE SETTLED OUT OF COURT...NOBODY BROKE INTO HIS HOUSE)
Anybody brave enough to answer the question should explain why the law says that Trump should be treated differently. Professionals and experts are welcome to step right up and enlighten us.
[Post edited 14 Aug 2022 17:50]
Nobody wanted to answer this question of course, because the answer is Barack Obama.
You can learn something on this site, even from people who aren't Barristers or Professors
Nobody wanted to answer this question of course, because the answer is Barack Obama.
You can learn something on this site, even from people who aren't Barristers or Professors
The National Archive have rebutted Trump’s claim about 30million records and have stated Obama didn't keep classified documents. Numerous sites are running the story.
If Trump has been set up then justice needs to be served and the DOJ and FBI need to be held to account, if he’s broken the law then Trump needs to be held to account.
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Not so Sleepy Joe on 23:45 - Aug 15 with 815 views
Not so Sleepy Joe on 23:05 - Aug 15 by majorraglan
The National Archive have rebutted Trump’s claim about 30million records and have stated Obama didn't keep classified documents. Numerous sites are running the story.
If Trump has been set up then justice needs to be served and the DOJ and FBI need to be held to account, if he’s broken the law then Trump needs to be held to account.
Not so much set up as selective standards.
Didn’t Hilary bleach her laptop and smash her phone with a hammer and given a week to delete and get rid of anything she wanted to prior to any check?
This is no different to most Presidents after they leave office, except it’s being used here against him because the Dems are absolutely terrified of him and how he runs the country so much better than them.
They know if it’s left up to public they will vote him back in, so they are trying to take that option away from the public and subvert democracy.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Not so Sleepy Joe on 23:05 - Aug 15 by majorraglan
The National Archive have rebutted Trump’s claim about 30million records and have stated Obama didn't keep classified documents. Numerous sites are running the story.
If Trump has been set up then justice needs to be served and the DOJ and FBI need to be held to account, if he’s broken the law then Trump needs to be held to account.
Everything I stated about Obama is true. Look it up.
Which makes it even more ludicrous of course. Very much an air of “hmmm well we will find something you did wrong”.
Would be nice to have fair minded political commentary from the Dems and anti Trump types.
Should this be the other way around I’d be furious with the Republicans for such behaviour.
This fascist behaviour being tolerated because you like the outcome is madness, because before long it won’t be to your liking yet the support for such actions would have created the platform for it to become accepted.
Same with the widespread biased media subverting elections, I would again be furious if it was the other way around - yet Dems and anti-Trump types seem to revel in it because it is currently helping their ideologies.
These are the sorts of things that everyone should be outraged about, however due to the partisan nature of the left they are welcoming fascism and suppression of democracy.
Truly scary.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
I believe I used 'hard of thinking' first actually, it perfectly sums up the likes of you.
Hey Cat, maybe they'll finally get him (Trump) this time ay, given you've been all in on each of the previous attempts (proven lies) the emotions you should be feeling are humility and shame ðŸ˜
I believe I used 'hard of thinking' first actually, it perfectly sums up the likes of you.
Hey Cat, maybe they'll finally get him (Trump) this time ay, given you've been all in on each of the previous attempts (proven lies) the emotions you should be feeling are humility and shame ðŸ˜
[Post edited 16 Aug 2022 12:34]
Humility and shame for not liking Trump? Not anywhere near.
You definitely used it first, you just haven't yet realised something.
PS, I thought you didn't believe lefty media? Another contradiction.
If they get Trump or not, I won't shed any tears, though if they do "get" him, you'll probably be crying eh.
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