| And they ask why Wales votes labour 10:31 - Oct 25 with 6977 views | CountyJim |
Answers the question really doesn't it what a shower of s hit this Tory government is |  | | |  |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 19:56 - Oct 28 with 743 views | trampie |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 19:49 - Oct 28 by Gwyn737 |
I’d increase tax for those who can afford it.
Austerity is a choice, not a necessity.
If you want public services you have to pay for them. Simple as that (although I would look at serious nhs reforms).
You’ve properly gone all 1922 committee this week, Tramp. |
Oh so you would increase taxation to give yourself and your work colleagues a pay rise, I see.
Now me I would increase taxation for those that can afford it to give all lower paid workers a pay rise but not give a rise to people already on 100k plus a year. |  |
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| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 19:59 - Oct 28 with 740 views | Scotia |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 19:44 - Oct 28 by trampie |
You must be the first person I've conversed with that thinks council leaders and politicians deserve their high wages. |
I speak to politicians from across SW Wales on a daily some are incredibly dedicated others aren't (I'd be happy to name them). On the whole they're probably under paid.
One of my best mates is a director at a local authority and earns £146k pa. I wouldn't swap my situation for his. His hourly rate is probably not much more than some people who work for him far lower down the scale. He earns every penny. |  | | |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:01 - Oct 28 with 739 views | Gwyn737 |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 19:56 - Oct 28 by trampie |
Oh so you would increase taxation to give yourself and your work colleagues a pay rise, I see.
Now me I would increase taxation for those that can afford it to give all lower paid workers a pay rise but not give a rise to people already on 100k plus a year. |
That’s exactly what I meant and I think you know that.
I’m certainly on nowhere near that figure and have no primary school colleagues that are.
You seem to be stuck on that £100k figure and as I showed earlier it’s less than 0.01% of the workforce.
Is because like before when you insisted you knew a teacher on £100k ‘because they saw themselves as a teacher’? | | | |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:13 - Oct 28 with 712 views | Catullus |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 10:08 - Oct 28 by Gwyn737 |
Here’s another communist sharing your views on public service vocation.
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Politics is public service, maybe politicians should see their jobs as a vocation and take a pay cut? | |
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| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:16 - Oct 28 with 697 views | onehunglow |
When tramline next needs a surgeon ,will he be wanting cheap one or a good one.
When your life in in someone’s hands then salary seems superfluous | |
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| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:25 - Oct 28 with 683 views | Whiterockin |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:16 - Oct 28 by onehunglow |
When tramline next needs a surgeon ,will he be wanting cheap one or a good one.
When your life in in someone’s hands then salary seems superfluous |
Why is it the people at the bottom of the ladder complain about what the ones as the top earn. Hard work, desire, ambition and aspiration get you to the top, take away that and the social structure would collapse. |  | | |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:30 - Oct 28 with 677 views | onehunglow |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:25 - Oct 28 by Whiterockin |
Why is it the people at the bottom of the ladder complain about what the ones as the top earn. Hard work, desire, ambition and aspiration get you to the top, take away that and the social structure would collapse. |
Envy really
Opportunity
Education
Family
Location
I have nothing but respect for those who start from nowt and build big money.
Some people are smarter ,more intelligent and deserve it | |
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| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:31 - Oct 28 with 675 views | trampie |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 19:59 - Oct 28 by Scotia |
I speak to politicians from across SW Wales on a daily some are incredibly dedicated others aren't (I'd be happy to name them). On the whole they're probably under paid.
One of my best mates is a director at a local authority and earns £146k pa. I wouldn't swap my situation for his. His hourly rate is probably not much more than some people who work for him far lower down the scale. He earns every penny. |
What do you think of Leanne Wood, Adam Price, RT Davies and Mr Drakeford ?
Do they all deserve pay rises or just some of them ?
Your mate on 146k, not Caerphilly is he I trust, must be awful stressful worrying who to delegate every job and task too, has he lost time sick through the stress of the job ?, there again I'm sure he would get sick pay unlike some workers at the bottom of the tree in some jobs. [Post edited 28 Oct 2022 20:32]
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| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:35 - Oct 28 with 670 views | Gwyn737 |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:25 - Oct 28 by Whiterockin |
Why is it the people at the bottom of the ladder complain about what the ones as the top earn. Hard work, desire, ambition and aspiration get you to the top, take away that and the social structure would collapse. |
And the irony is we’re talking about professions desperate for staff, not some closed shop ivory tower thing.
Think it’s easy/well paid/ gold plated pension/good holidays etc. then go and do it.
For teaching, the UCAS section for the bursary route is open now. They’ll pay you to train. | | | |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:38 - Oct 28 with 664 views | trampie |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:25 - Oct 28 by Whiterockin |
Why is it the people at the bottom of the ladder complain about what the ones as the top earn. Hard work, desire, ambition and aspiration get you to the top, take away that and the social structure would collapse. |
If only that was true, brown noseing, who you know and not what you know, being poor at your job (yes that is right being poor at your job, if you do a key job and you do it well they don't want to promote you otherwise they would have to replace a worker in a key job that is good at it so they rather promote somebody poor). | |
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| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:41 - Oct 28 with 656 views | Whiterockin |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:35 - Oct 28 by Gwyn737 |
And the irony is we’re talking about professions desperate for staff, not some closed shop ivory tower thing.
Think it’s easy/well paid/ gold plated pension/good holidays etc. then go and do it.
For teaching, the UCAS section for the bursary route is open now. They’ll pay you to train. |
Even with the bursary you have to work hard to get your qualifications and then work harder to get to the top. Some just want everything gifted and complain when they don't get it and others do. | | | |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:46 - Oct 28 with 640 views | Whiterockin |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:38 - Oct 28 by trampie |
If only that was true, brown noseing, who you know and not what you know, being poor at your job (yes that is right being poor at your job, if you do a key job and you do it well they don't want to promote you otherwise they would have to replace a worker in a key job that is good at it so they rather promote somebody poor). |
So the best at their job are kept at the bottom and only the poorest at their job get promoted. My word you live in a bitter fantasy world.  | | | |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:49 - Oct 28 with 628 views | onehunglow |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:46 - Oct 28 by Whiterockin |
So the best at their job are kept at the bottom and only the poorest at their job get promoted. My word you live in a bitter fantasy world. |
It’s a Wild World . | |
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| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:53 - Oct 28 with 619 views | trampie |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:46 - Oct 28 by Whiterockin |
So the best at their job are kept at the bottom and only the poorest at their job get promoted. My word you live in a bitter fantasy world. |
Depends on the organisation, structure and industry, perhaps you have had a very sheltered life. | |
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| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:55 - Oct 28 with 612 views | Whiterockin |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:53 - Oct 28 by trampie |
Depends on the organisation, structure and industry, perhaps you have had a very sheltered life. |
After careful consideration I think you may have a point when I look at the Senedd. | | | |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:58 - Oct 28 with 591 views | majorraglan |
Trampie, you’re having a mare with some of the stuff you’re posting here.
I’m not arguing with the point you make about paying nurses at the bottom end more, but if you cut the pay of the top end for doctors and don’t pay the market rate we’d have a huge brain drain problem and the service would be even worse. Junior doctors start off at about £29k, they move up the ranks quite quickly and get to about £60k in 6/7 years, the starting wage for a consultant is about £88k. Their worth every penny of it.
I know 30 plus nurses and quite a few teachers, a fair proportion of each have had enough and are looking at bailing out on account of the working conditions and pay. I totally agree with Gwyn’s point about teaching assistants, they ar3 at the bottom of the pile and work very hard for a meagre salary. It’s the same in the NHS the Healthcare Assistants do a huge amount of the graft for little reward, they wash and tend to the patients needs, do all the Obs checks, can take blood and are trained to do the ECG’s and other things for a full time wage of between £19k and £23k. When things start to go wrong with a patient it’s usually the Healthcare who identifies it first.
The problem in our country is that we want first world services but a lot of people don’t want to pay the going rate. There was an article in one of last weeks broadsheets about public spending in recessions, lots of governments cut spending but the most successful countries including South Korea and Germany continue to spend on infrastructure etc and when the upturn arrives their in a strong place to move forward. | | | |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 21:02 - Oct 28 with 588 views | Gwyn737 |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:58 - Oct 28 by majorraglan |
Trampie, you’re having a mare with some of the stuff you’re posting here.
I’m not arguing with the point you make about paying nurses at the bottom end more, but if you cut the pay of the top end for doctors and don’t pay the market rate we’d have a huge brain drain problem and the service would be even worse. Junior doctors start off at about £29k, they move up the ranks quite quickly and get to about £60k in 6/7 years, the starting wage for a consultant is about £88k. Their worth every penny of it.
I know 30 plus nurses and quite a few teachers, a fair proportion of each have had enough and are looking at bailing out on account of the working conditions and pay. I totally agree with Gwyn’s point about teaching assistants, they ar3 at the bottom of the pile and work very hard for a meagre salary. It’s the same in the NHS the Healthcare Assistants do a huge amount of the graft for little reward, they wash and tend to the patients needs, do all the Obs checks, can take blood and are trained to do the ECG’s and other things for a full time wage of between £19k and £23k. When things start to go wrong with a patient it’s usually the Healthcare who identifies it first.
The problem in our country is that we want first world services but a lot of people don’t want to pay the going rate. There was an article in one of last weeks broadsheets about public spending in recessions, lots of governments cut spending but the most successful countries including South Korea and Germany continue to spend on infrastructure etc and when the upturn arrives their in a strong place to move forward. |
I made a point regarding your last paragraph on another thread - austerity since 2010 has put us on the backfoot now.
I accept that hindsight is a wonderful thing, mind. | | | |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 21:04 - Oct 28 with 574 views | trampie |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:58 - Oct 28 by majorraglan |
Trampie, you’re having a mare with some of the stuff you’re posting here.
I’m not arguing with the point you make about paying nurses at the bottom end more, but if you cut the pay of the top end for doctors and don’t pay the market rate we’d have a huge brain drain problem and the service would be even worse. Junior doctors start off at about £29k, they move up the ranks quite quickly and get to about £60k in 6/7 years, the starting wage for a consultant is about £88k. Their worth every penny of it.
I know 30 plus nurses and quite a few teachers, a fair proportion of each have had enough and are looking at bailing out on account of the working conditions and pay. I totally agree with Gwyn’s point about teaching assistants, they ar3 at the bottom of the pile and work very hard for a meagre salary. It’s the same in the NHS the Healthcare Assistants do a huge amount of the graft for little reward, they wash and tend to the patients needs, do all the Obs checks, can take blood and are trained to do the ECG’s and other things for a full time wage of between £19k and £23k. When things start to go wrong with a patient it’s usually the Healthcare who identifies it first.
The problem in our country is that we want first world services but a lot of people don’t want to pay the going rate. There was an article in one of last weeks broadsheets about public spending in recessions, lots of governments cut spending but the most successful countries including South Korea and Germany continue to spend on infrastructure etc and when the upturn arrives their in a strong place to move forward. |
What is the market rate for Doctors ?
Are you suggesting our Doctors don't get the market rate ? | |
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| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 21:07 - Oct 28 with 562 views | Scotia |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:31 - Oct 28 by trampie |
What do you think of Leanne Wood, Adam Price, RT Davies and Mr Drakeford ?
Do they all deserve pay rises or just some of them ?
Your mate on 146k, not Caerphilly is he I trust, must be awful stressful worrying who to delegate every job and task too, has he lost time sick through the stress of the job ?, there again I'm sure he would get sick pay unlike some workers at the bottom of the tree in some jobs. [Post edited 28 Oct 2022 20:32]
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I've never had anything to do with Adam Price. I should have, that says it all. He's about the only politician in the area I've not had anything to do with, the other being Geraint Davies.
The position of first minister deserves the salary associated with it.
My mate hasn't lost time due to stress although it's a very difficult job. He's good at what he does and earns his money. If he did he'd be under the same terms and conditions as those who work for him.
In my organisation the higher grade managerial jobs attract very few applications.
In fact.
https://www.swansea.gov.uk/chi
Crack on Trampie. Let me know how you get on. [Post edited 28 Oct 2022 21:09]
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| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 21:13 - Oct 28 with 539 views | Whiterockin |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 21:07 - Oct 28 by Scotia |
I've never had anything to do with Adam Price. I should have, that says it all. He's about the only politician in the area I've not had anything to do with, the other being Geraint Davies.
The position of first minister deserves the salary associated with it.
My mate hasn't lost time due to stress although it's a very difficult job. He's good at what he does and earns his money. If he did he'd be under the same terms and conditions as those who work for him.
In my organisation the higher grade managerial jobs attract very few applications.
In fact.
https://www.swansea.gov.uk/chi
Crack on Trampie. Let me know how you get on. [Post edited 28 Oct 2022 21:09]
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Tramps can't go for that he's to good at what he does, that's why they are holding him down. | | | |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 21:17 - Oct 28 with 526 views | Gwyn737 |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 21:13 - Oct 28 by Whiterockin |
Tramps can't go for that he's to good at what he does, that's why they are holding him down. |
That’s probably why the Swans haven’t given me a 7 year deal as starting centre forward. | | | |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 21:28 - Oct 28 with 514 views | majorraglan |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 21:04 - Oct 28 by trampie |
What is the market rate for Doctors ?
Are you suggesting our Doctors don't get the market rate ? |
The market rate will vary according to their speciality and how good they are. There are numerous articles out there on the web where doctors salaries across the world are compared, some have British Doctors in the top 5, but the majority of the surveys I’ve seen don’t feature Britain in the top 10.
I know someone who recently had a cancer scare. The NHS target is to be seen within 20 days but the specialist team she was referred to were 20 days behind the 20 day target as they're so busy. The person decided to go private but still ended up with something like an 8 day wait. As luck would have after paying to go private a cancellation came up and the family member was seen 3/4 days later for a fee of around £150 - this was for a half hour appointment. Working on the assumption they work a 7 hour day, over the course of a week the Consultant is earning over £10k per week or £500k per annum. Compare that to a top line full time NHS Consultant on £100k per year and you can draw your own conclusions.
Coincidentally, my friend was the offered an appointment by the NHS team the day before the private appointment as another patient had cancelled their appointment, but as they'd paid they went private. | | | |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 21:38 - Oct 28 with 501 views | trampie |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 21:07 - Oct 28 by Scotia |
I've never had anything to do with Adam Price. I should have, that says it all. He's about the only politician in the area I've not had anything to do with, the other being Geraint Davies.
The position of first minister deserves the salary associated with it.
My mate hasn't lost time due to stress although it's a very difficult job. He's good at what he does and earns his money. If he did he'd be under the same terms and conditions as those who work for him.
In my organisation the higher grade managerial jobs attract very few applications.
In fact.
https://www.swansea.gov.uk/chi
Crack on Trampie. Let me know how you get on. [Post edited 28 Oct 2022 21:09]
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Would you have to live in Swansea to take the job and could I work part time ?
Thinking about it I couldn't apply for a job like that because I'm honest.
What about the lovely Leanne Wood have you met her ?
I recommend to a boy I know that he go and she her as she was doing a talk in his local village hall and this boy is a full on Daily Mail reader, anti Labour, anti immigrants, thinks Trump is great, loved the Queen, thinks Britain is fantastic, very right wing, loves his politics and he went and he thought she was tremendous (and politically he is the exact opposite of her), he had his wife talk a photo of him with her and sent it to me.
Not that she would willing take it but do you think Ms Wood merits a massive pay rise for the work she does ? | |
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| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 21:49 - Oct 28 with 493 views | trampie |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 21:28 - Oct 28 by majorraglan |
The market rate will vary according to their speciality and how good they are. There are numerous articles out there on the web where doctors salaries across the world are compared, some have British Doctors in the top 5, but the majority of the surveys I’ve seen don’t feature Britain in the top 10.
I know someone who recently had a cancer scare. The NHS target is to be seen within 20 days but the specialist team she was referred to were 20 days behind the 20 day target as they're so busy. The person decided to go private but still ended up with something like an 8 day wait. As luck would have after paying to go private a cancellation came up and the family member was seen 3/4 days later for a fee of around £150 - this was for a half hour appointment. Working on the assumption they work a 7 hour day, over the course of a week the Consultant is earning over £10k per week or £500k per annum. Compare that to a top line full time NHS Consultant on £100k per year and you can draw your own conclusions.
Coincidentally, my friend was the offered an appointment by the NHS team the day before the private appointment as another patient had cancelled their appointment, but as they'd paid they went private. |
Do you think generally speaking they get the market rate ? | |
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| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 22:00 - Oct 28 with 465 views | Catullus |
| And they ask why Wales votes labour on 20:46 - Oct 28 by Whiterockin |
So the best at their job are kept at the bottom and only the poorest at their job get promoted. My word you live in a bitter fantasy world. |
I know you 2 are talking about a different job but in my time in the public sector they often promoted from within, post people went on the acting managers list and then when a managers post was open, those acting up would apply.
Thing about it was, they often picked the most compliant, not the best. They didnt want someone who whought for themselves merely somebody who would do as they were told, when thy were told with no arguments. | |
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