| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison 13:20 - Nov 5 with 1427 views | AnotherJohn |
I was gobsmacked when watching PM's questions today on TV to see David Lammy refuse 5 times to say if there has been any more accidental releases since the Kebatu fiasco. Subsequently, it has emerged that an Algerian man was accidentally released from Wandsworth Prison about a week ago, and is still on the run. Presumably Lammy must have known.
N.B. Just noticed this is mentioned on the Epping Forest thread, but Lammy's behaviour deserves special consideration. [Post edited 5 Nov 13:22]
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| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 13:34 - Nov 5 with 1404 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Lammy is clueless, he doesn't seem to understand his responsibilities as a minister to the House of Commons. |  |
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| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 13:48 - Nov 5 with 1382 views | onehunglow |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 13:34 - Nov 5 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Lammy is clueless, he doesn't seem to understand his responsibilities as a minister to the House of Commons. |
He showed passion though 
A dyckhead on a suit with no interlect | |
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| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 14:05 - Nov 5 with 1375 views | AnotherJohn |
BBC News confirms that Lammy knew about the release prior to PM's question time. | | | |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 15:14 - Nov 5 with 1332 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s time PMQ’s was scrapped. Can’t remember the last time a question was actually answered. |  |
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| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 16:15 - Nov 5 with 1298 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 15:14 - Nov 5 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s time PMQ’s was scrapped. Can’t remember the last time a question was actually answered. |
It was quite good today, anybody who did not realise what a complete incompetent Lammy is, got to find out. | |
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| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 17:04 - Nov 5 with 1257 views | 1983 |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 13:34 - Nov 5 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Lammy is clueless, he doesn't seem to understand his responsibilities as a minister to the House of Commons. |
Sack the buffon |  |
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| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 17:09 - Nov 5 with 1251 views | AnotherJohn |
it is being reported that there was another accidental release from HMP Wandsworth in the last week. The first Algerian prisoner wrongly released is on the sex offenders register. The latest one, a Will Smith, has fraud convictions, but may not be a foreign offender. | | | |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 17:35 - Nov 5 with 1226 views | union_jack |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 17:09 - Nov 5 by AnotherJohn |
it is being reported that there was another accidental release from HMP Wandsworth in the last week. The first Algerian prisoner wrongly released is on the sex offenders register. The latest one, a Will Smith, has fraud convictions, but may not be a foreign offender. |
Just for a bit of balance AJ😂 |  |
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| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 17:45 - Nov 5 with 1206 views | onehunglow |
Refugees welcome innit | |
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| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 20:10 - Nov 5 with 1129 views | JJBomber |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 13:34 - Nov 5 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Lammy is clueless, he doesn't seem to understand his responsibilities as a minister to the House of Commons. |
His first responsibility should have been to wear a poppy. Has he said why he refused? | | | |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 21:49 - Nov 5 with 1076 views | majorraglan |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 16:15 - Nov 5 by JACKMANANDBOY |
It was quite good today, anybody who did not realise what a complete incompetent Lammy is, got to find out. |
PMQ’s is a joke, when faced with a situation where a minster doesn’t answer the speaker should get involved and direct that the relevant person answers, no if or buts. In terms of Lammy - he defo needs the boot.
In terms of mistaken prison releases, it’s been an issue for years, since 2015 there’ve been an average of around 50 mistaken releases per year, but during the last 3 years that figure has increased quite markedly.
In the 12 months to March 2023, there were 71 releases in error. The figures for the following period aren’t so clear cut, once source states 115 while another states for the 12 months to March 2024, there were 87 releases in error.,This was described as the highest number on record at the time and a 23% increase from the previous year.
For the year to March 25, there were around 230 mistaken releases from custody, I suspect the reason behind that was the changes introduced last summer whereby prisoners would be released early on account of the lack of capacity in prisons.
Another person who deserves the boot is Chris Philip, he was making all sorts of comments today while conveniently forgetting his party oversaw a large increase in mistaken releases.
It’s hardly surprising mistakes are being made, despite almost record levels of prisoners, the number of staff working in public prisons is less than it was in 2010 and staff retention is a massive issue. I think it’s one of the most difficult jobs in the public service. | | | |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 01:53 - Nov 6 with 1031 views | Robbie |
David Lammy was a joke on PMQ yesterday , totally floundering and just shy of losing his temper under the awkward questions being asked .
What was also obvious on the Broadcast was none of his Front Bench mates and allies vocal in supporting his excuses and lies either .
Deputy Prime Minister material after the useless Starmer , I despair sometimes on politics and Politicians . | | | |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 06:53 - Nov 6 with 995 views | AnotherJohn |
The story is getting worse by the day.
Lammy said that he refused to answer the question because this would have strayed into what was an operational police matter. However, Times Radio reported today that a Met source said this was not the case.
It has emerged that Lammy not only knew about the case, but had a prepared statement about the circumstances of the visa overstayer (from 2019) and his subsequent offending and intended deportation. He chose not to read this out.
After the six permitted questions from the Opposition lead were used, and subsequent attempts were made to raise the issue via points of order in the HoC, the Speaker asked Lammy to return to the chamber to give a statement. However Lammy declined, His aids reportedly said that this was because such a return would have been career suicide. As Parliament is now in recess, no immediate statement to the HoC can be made.
The sense of Keystone Cops comedy grows because of the poppy fiasco. Early in the session it was realised that Lammy had forgotten to bring one, and given that Remembrance Day issues were likely to come up, he really needed one. A spare poppy badge was found and surreptitiously passed along the row to Lammy, in the words of a media wag, like a bag of cocaine. Lammy pinned the poppy to the wrong lapel.
We were told that this Government were the adults returning to the room. Lammy is our Deputy PM and Justice Secretary. Until recently he was the Foreign Secretary. I cannot remember a senior minister in my lifetime who was a greater embarrassment to our country.. Can anybody? Even Liz Truss talked marginally more plausible BS. [Post edited 6 Nov 7:01]
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| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 09:29 - Nov 6 with 943 views | AnotherJohn |
Can't resist posting a Tom Peck sketch from behind the Times paywall.
'David Lammy sees red — shame it wasn’t on his lapel
“I call the deputy prime minister!” announced the Speaker, and from the front bench, to make a little bit of history, rose David Lammy.
When the prime minister is away, custom dictates that both his deputy and his opponent’s deputy step in for prime minister’s questions. This, theoretically, is what happened, but that doesn’t do it justice. This was PMQs, Yellow Pages advert style. The deputies had “stepped in”, with all the assured ease of two teenage children, to look after the house while the parents go off on a six-week summer cruise.
It got off to the worst imaginable start, and then got unimaginably worse. “Mr Speaker, this weekend is Remembrance Sunday,” said the deputy prime minister, trying very hard to weigh down his words with all the personal gravity he could find. “We will never forget those who fought for our freedom.”
Up in the press seats, we winced. Lammy may indeed never forget those who fought for our freedom, but unfortunately, we had already spotted what he, by this point, had not. That he was quite possibly the only person in the room who had forgotten to wear a poppy, a subject to which, with stunning finality, we shall indeed return.
Filling in for Kemi Badenoch was shadow defence secretary James Cartlidge. To his left and right were Badenoch’s current favoured enforcers, Neil O’Brien and Alex Burghart. All three looked thrilled with themselves. It was immediately obvious they had in their possession some kind of PMQWMD, and were readying to deploy it.
There were not one but two requests for Lammy to apologise to the family of the victim of the mistakenly released asylum seeker Hadush Kebatu. It is arguable that neither request was necessary, given, as Lammy pointed out, he had already apologised, last week.
“I do think he should offer an apology on the floor of the House,” he said. By the time this particular passage was over, Lammy had offered three apologies, even though there had only been two requests for one, which could, with the power of hindsight, partially explain what happened next.
Cartlidge, a polite sort, with grey hair and an uncanny resemblance to the “King of Real Estate” Buddy Kane from the movie American Beauty, went gently for the jugular. “Could the deputy prime minister assure the house that no other asylum seeker has been accidentally released?” he asked.
Lammy, predictably, was furious. Fury, after all, is all he has. No one had been this furious at the dispatch box for fully nine days, which was when David Lammy had last been there. Children of the Nineties might remember the Street Fighter 2 cheat code that permanently activated sumo wrestler Eddie Honda’s hundred-hand slap manoeuvre, transforming him into a slow moving wall of permanent attack. David Lammy is a bit like that.
“He knows that early release began under their watch,” he shouted. The angrier he became, the further he strayed from even the remotest kind of actual answer.
Cartlidge kept going, and going. At the third attempt, Lammy even answered with reference to “the tough new checks” he had personally brought in last Monday. “He should do better,” Lammy shouted, jabbing his finger toward him. This would all turn out to be highly unfortunate.
After Lammy’s fifth very obvious failure to answer the question, Cartlidge rose to deliver the knockout blow, but before he could do so, from the Speaker’s chair came the unlikely yet instantly immortal words: “Jonathan Brash!”
Cartlidge had run out of questions. Time had moved on. There was a glorious pandemonium. The Tory front bench stared up at the Speaker. They were stunned but they instantly knew what they’d done. It is always said that the first rule of politics is to learn how to count, but it usually pertains to a vote of some kind, not anything as pyrotechnically shambolic as this. None of the three grown men had managed to notice that all six of their questions had now been asked. They were done. The target had been reconned and sighted, but the payload would not be forthcoming.
From this point on, chaos ensued. O’Brien, Burghart and Cartlidge flapped and fretted. Shadow energy secretary Claire Coutinho practically threw an order paper at them, in the hope that a later scheduled questioner might be persuaded, perhaps by text message, to drop the bomb on their behalf.
Over on the government benches, they hardly noticed. They were too busy having a high octane flap of their own. By now, it had been widely noticed that the deputy prime minister was not wearing a poppy. Eyes widened in panic. Calvin Bailey, a former RAF Officer no less, sheepishly unbuttoned the required object from his own lapel and passed it forward.
It moved in deathly secret from closed fist to closed fist like the communal bag of gak on an Ibiza stag weekend. Eventually, it came in to the possession of Bridget Phillipson sitting, fatally, at Lammy’s right-hand side. She pinned it to the only lapel she could reach, which, of course, was the wrong one.
From the gallery, we couldn’t even see what the TV cameras could. That Bailey, being a former serving officer who has actually worn the King’s uniform, had been wearing a regimental poppy of some kind, with a special adornment. And so, there at the dispatch box of the House of Commons, we were treated to the magnificent spectacle of the deputy prime minister, accidentally pretending to have served in the armed forces, when he absolutely has not. For his part, Mr Bailey spent the rest of the session staring straight ahead, wearing a mask of sullen despair.
It was an error he eventually concluded was too grave to just style out, so he did what possibly no politician has ever done before, and blamed his own godmother. “I bought a new suit this morning,” he acknowledged, “because my godmother said she would be watching.”
One can only wonder what his godmother made of it. Cartlidge and co never found anyone, in the end, to ask the killer question for them, so Cartlidge rose at the end to try to recover the moment by making a point of order instead. By this stage, as was self-evidently the plan, reports had been published about a second prisoner mistakenly released.
“The question is, Mr Speaker,” said Cartlidge, doing his best to rise above the noise of widespread mockery all around him. “Can you advise me on how I can ask the justice secretary whether he was aware of this when I asked him about it repeatedly during prime ministers questions?”
The Speaker did not, in any meaningful way, respond. He wouldn’t have been heard above the laughter anyway. What do you say to a man asking for “advice” on how to ask a question, entirely because his original six were not enough? Cartlidge doesn’t need advice on how to ask a question. He just needs to know the answer to one he must have learnt at some point, which is “What comes after five?”
There was no time to get into the growing row about who may or may not have misled whom. It’s not clear if the case, which, behind his howls of outrage, Lammy certainly knew about, actually concerns an asylum seeker.
All we can really do is applaud. A day for Lammy to forget, but one for history to remember. How is it even possible to steal the idiot show from a man who can’t count to six?' | | | |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 09:48 - Dec 2 with 294 views | YrAlarch |
The Head of the OBR has resigned due to an error by a Junior colleague. He has honourably accepted ultimate responsibility for causing the Government embarrassment.
Will Lammy resign, thus accepting ultimate responsibility?
To answer my own question, probably not. He is a politician and normal rules of behaviour don't apply. | | | |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 09:51 - Dec 2 with 291 views | onehunglow |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 09:48 - Dec 2 by YrAlarch |
The Head of the OBR has resigned due to an error by a Junior colleague. He has honourably accepted ultimate responsibility for causing the Government embarrassment.
Will Lammy resign, thus accepting ultimate responsibility?
To answer my own question, probably not. He is a politician and normal rules of behaviour don't apply. |
Indeed
Any honour disappeared from politician years ago
This guy is appalling though in every way
Justice !
Justice ? | |
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| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 12:15 - Dec 2 with 243 views | Demitrius |
In addition to this there's the 736 foreign criminals that have absconded from justice before they could be deported I mentioned in my Migration Figures thread last week.
This government and the last have failed to protect their own citizens from harm. Neither were/are fit for office. |  |
| “Cunnilingus and Psychiatry brought us to this …” |
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| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 16:12 - Dec 2 with 191 views | AnotherJohn |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 09:48 - Dec 2 by YrAlarch |
The Head of the OBR has resigned due to an error by a Junior colleague. He has honourably accepted ultimate responsibility for causing the Government embarrassment.
Will Lammy resign, thus accepting ultimate responsibility?
To answer my own question, probably not. He is a politician and normal rules of behaviour don't apply. |
A story in the i paper today suggests there was a bit more to the resignation and that Rachel gave Hughes a push because of the content of his reports showing she had told fibs. | | | |
| Second migrant offender accidentally released from prison on 01:48 - Dec 3 with 136 views | Robbie |
Realise the last lot were useless , Sunak , Truss and Bojo , and Kwetang to add to the mix .
Starmer promised everything in his manifesto pledges and the issue was then nailed on for a
Labour landslide at the GE .
A Cabinet totally out of their depth on the key problems to be solved .
Not with this Goverment at the helm . | | | |
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