| Starmer and Trump 10:30 - Mar 5 with 5770 views | johnlangy |
Over the last few days Marco Rubio said on one day that 'we knew that if someone were to attack Iran that we'd need to attack them as well'. Someone obviously being Israel.
The next day in a press conference Rubio said that the attack was a joint one (US/Israel). A reporter tried reading him his actual words from just the day before but he wouldn't listen. He and every other member of the US government are now all saying 'joint'. To me it sounds as if they were instructed to change their stories. I wonder who did the instructing. Another person suggested that the reason for the change in phrasing was because DT could not accept the idea that he was being forced to follow someone else.
Many people have been pushing Trump for him to disclose info about his 'plan' for the war and the aftermath. So far he's revealed nothing giving the impression he had no plan.
When questioned over the last few days DT has veered off in numerous different directions. The 'we're not dealing with Winston Churchill here' was a funny one. And stupid at the same time. I wouldn't give DT the compliment of comparing him with Roosevelt. I would say that he makes George dubya Bush look like an intellectual heavyweight.
He also veered off with yet another about turn on the Chagos deal. When people say I have no idea what he's going to say next the fact is that Trump himself doesn't know what he's going to say next.
When the US and UK attacked Iraq the attack, it was argued, was legal because they had a report which confirmed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. The WMD info was later proved to be a lie showing that the invasion was illegal under International law. Since then Tony Blair's legacy has been trashed by just about everyone mainly because of the Iraq shambles. One of the people who argued against the Iraq war was Keir Starmer.
Keir Starmer, in his statement in the commons, said we've learned the lessons of the Iraq war. We are not going into a war unless the war is legal and we are not going into a war without a plan for what comes next.
To me the three points - lessons/legal/plan - are 100% correct. |  | | |  |
| Starmer and Trump on 15:05 - Mar 8 with 1691 views | jack_lord |
| Starmer and Trump on 17:06 - Mar 6 by Gwyn737 |
From AI
UK Defence Spending and Personnel (1997–2025)
Year Spending (% of GDP) Real-Terms Budget Trend Active Personnel Key Defence Context
1997/98 2.5% Inherited 7% cut ~210,000+ End of Conservative "Options for Change"
2000/01 2.3% Strategic growth begins 208,000 1998 Strategic Defence Review
2005/06 2.3% Sustained growth 200,000 Conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan
2009/10 2.5% Peak of operational spend 191,000 Operations peak in Afghanistan
2010/11 2.4% 8% reduction starts 186,000 2010 Strategic Defence Review (SDSR)
2015/16 1.9% Ongoing austerity cuts 150,000 Further 2015 SDSR reductions
2018/19 1.8% Historic low point 144,000 Low share of GDP post-WWII
2023/24 2.2% Nominal rise; real fall 140,000 2021 Integrated Review Update
2024/25 2.3% £3bn immediate boost 138,000 Record low personnel levels
2025/26 (E) 2.4% Budgeted £62.2bn - Commitment to reach 2.5% |
That suggests that the Labour administration actually tried to improve spending on the forces though while the other did not - how controversial :) |  |
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| Starmer and Trump on 01:21 - Mar 9 with 1571 views | Robbie |
Blair the WMD scapegoat and ally of George Bush in the search for said armour in Iraq has been seen cuddling up to The Don , Peace envoy in the Middle East and a comfy ally in situ so lets appease another useless Politician . my way or the highway mush .
Starmer has done yet another u turn and changed his mind , Uncle Sam can now bunk down on UK soil for refuelling , want a sit on the fence merchant .
Yvette Cooper on BBC Sunday morning broadcast was the ultimate load of answering the question but saying nothing of interest in reply .
Pre arranged beforehand methinks , but she really can avoid awkward facts the main issues as an expert in BS. | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 18:09 - Mar 9 with 1493 views | johnlangy |
Trump has been complaining about Keir not jumping into bed/war with him. He says we're allies and allies stand together. Keir said he is not willing to go to war because it wasn't in the UK's interests (initially also because it wasn't legal albeit now it is for defensive reasons after the drone attack on Akrotiri).
Imagine the very unlikely scenario that Keir Starmer was to take the UK into a war. Would our 'ally', Trump, jump in with us or would he say no if he didn't believe it was in the best interests of the USA ?
I know what I think What about you ? | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 02:16 - Mar 10 with 1452 views | Robbie |
| Starmer and Trump on 18:09 - Mar 9 by johnlangy |
Trump has been complaining about Keir not jumping into bed/war with him. He says we're allies and allies stand together. Keir said he is not willing to go to war because it wasn't in the UK's interests (initially also because it wasn't legal albeit now it is for defensive reasons after the drone attack on Akrotiri).
Imagine the very unlikely scenario that Keir Starmer was to take the UK into a war. Would our 'ally', Trump, jump in with us or would he say no if he didn't believe it was in the best interests of the USA ?
I know what I think What about you ? |
At one time The UK took on Argentina and got back a few little islands , The Falklands .
Thatcher /Reagan intel might have been a help back then even before tinternet days .
Now we cannot even launch a boat from our shores to assist the rich and wealthy tax evaders who thougth Dudai and the UAE were paradise .
They cannot get out of that war zone on the next available flight , if any .
Britain had a backbone once , long gone alas . | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 05:26 - Mar 10 with 1442 views | AnotherJohn |
| Starmer and Trump on 02:16 - Mar 10 by Robbie |
At one time The UK took on Argentina and got back a few little islands , The Falklands .
Thatcher /Reagan intel might have been a help back then even before tinternet days .
Now we cannot even launch a boat from our shores to assist the rich and wealthy tax evaders who thougth Dudai and the UAE were paradise .
They cannot get out of that war zone on the next available flight , if any .
Britain had a backbone once , long gone alas . |
Flew on a near-full direct flight from BKK to LHR yesterday. Lots of people in the waiting room at the gate who had previously booked indirect Arab flights were moaning about what they had had to pay to change, how they had been stuck for days and how their insurance was unlikely to cough up. Presumably those starting in the Middle East are even worse off. My Thai Airways flight went further north than usual over the Caspian Sea and Azerbaijan, and with no problems. There is now only a narrow corridor between the conflicts in Ukraine/ Russia and Iran/neighbouring states that have received missile/drone attacks. | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 12:55 - Mar 10 with 1372 views | onehunglow |
I’m
About through with any foreign travel now
One more foreign one this year then that’s it
Airport security, cramped planes, pig ignorant natives and scammers everywhere | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 08:56 - Mar 11 with 1281 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Starmer and Trump on 18:09 - Mar 9 by johnlangy |
Trump has been complaining about Keir not jumping into bed/war with him. He says we're allies and allies stand together. Keir said he is not willing to go to war because it wasn't in the UK's interests (initially also because it wasn't legal albeit now it is for defensive reasons after the drone attack on Akrotiri).
Imagine the very unlikely scenario that Keir Starmer was to take the UK into a war. Would our 'ally', Trump, jump in with us or would he say no if he didn't believe it was in the best interests of the USA ?
I know what I think What about you ? |
I don’t agree with us joining in militarily but all the US asked for was to use certain bases for refuelling/maintenance. I think that’s a reasonable request for an ally to grant. Starmer refused of course. They don’t need us to join in militarily they are doing fine on their own.
Perhaps Starmer thought that allowing the use of military bases would make British bases a target. He’s too thick to realise that they were a target anyway. |  |
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| Starmer and Trump on 09:44 - Mar 11 with 1263 views | onehunglow |
| Starmer and Trump on 08:56 - Mar 11 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I don’t agree with us joining in militarily but all the US asked for was to use certain bases for refuelling/maintenance. I think that’s a reasonable request for an ally to grant. Starmer refused of course. They don’t need us to join in militarily they are doing fine on their own.
Perhaps Starmer thought that allowing the use of military bases would make British bases a target. He’s too thick to realise that they were a target anyway. |
He has to appease left wingers on his party who detest USA and always have
The support for Iran here is not from the “ far right” | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 10:39 - Mar 11 with 1252 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Starmer and Trump on 09:44 - Mar 11 by onehunglow |
He has to appease left wingers on his party who detest USA and always have
The support for Iran here is not from the “ far right” |
The fact one of his only public appearances since the war broke out was at an Islamic convention where he was pathetically repeating “this was nothing to do with us” should tell everyone where his mind is on this.
It’s nothing to do with “national interest”. It’s just a sad, weak little jumped up tyrant desperately trying to save his own skin. | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 10:40 - Mar 11 with 1252 views | union_jack |
| Starmer and Trump on 08:56 - Mar 11 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I don’t agree with us joining in militarily but all the US asked for was to use certain bases for refuelling/maintenance. I think that’s a reasonable request for an ally to grant. Starmer refused of course. They don’t need us to join in militarily they are doing fine on their own.
Perhaps Starmer thought that allowing the use of military bases would make British bases a target. He’s too thick to realise that they were a target anyway. |
You’d certainly assume so seeing that Trump at every opportunity reminds us all that they have the greatest fighting force the world has ever seen, biggly bigger than anyone else! |  |
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| Starmer and Trump on 11:13 - Mar 11 with 1236 views | onehunglow |
| Starmer and Trump on 10:40 - Mar 11 by union_jack |
You’d certainly assume so seeing that Trump at every opportunity reminds us all that they have the greatest fighting force the world has ever seen, biggly bigger than anyone else! |
He’s losing his hair though is Don
Looking rough
Melania clearly now too much for him | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 11:59 - Mar 11 with 1227 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Starmer and Trump on 11:13 - Mar 11 by onehunglow |
He’s losing his hair though is Don
Looking rough
Melania clearly now too much for him |
He’s just stopped dying it. He’s 80 in a month or two, having a full head of blonde hair ain’t fooling anyone anymore. Not that it fooled anyone for the last few decades anyway. | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 08:59 - Mar 13 with 1138 views | controversial_jack |
| Starmer and Trump on 14:27 - Mar 5 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The plan is a " greater Isreal" . Annexation of Arab lands is on the agenda . It is a a 100 year plan I would guess.
UK has no plans to expand. In fact it wants to shrink. An "old nation" with old man thinking. Russia, USA, Isreal, China all probably want to expand.
We in Wales have been dragged along the floor offered dependency scraps. Most energy comes these days from Asian immigrants.
I spoke to two young receptionists this morning . The Welsh one gave out " I cannot be e arsed" vibe. The Bangladeshi was keen as mustard.
Born in Bangladesh she has no plans in ever going back and her home is Wales. [Post edited 5 Mar 16:38]
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You are correct about the Israeli plan. It resembles another countries plans of 80 years ago.
Lebensraum. apartheid, genocide, the list goes on
They will fail though just like the last lot did | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 02:11 - Mar 14 with 1027 views | Robbie |
| Starmer and Trump on 19:47 - Mar 5 by KeithHaynes |
The Bangladeshi woman is working, paying taxes and contributing. That’s how it should be. |
My late Mother in her last days in Morriston Hospital had a domestic who had to mop the floors after accidents by patients who had no control of their functions post op .
A 12 hour contract on/off doing the dirty work others would not get out of bed for at 6 am
She was a Filipino living in CRC , my mum adored her for her work ethic and the feeling was mutual .
Scroungers and freeloaders or folk prepared to work in Britain , maybe honest immigrants should try better to intergrate . | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 14:28 - Mar 14 with 985 views | onehunglow |
| Starmer and Trump on 02:11 - Mar 14 by Robbie |
My late Mother in her last days in Morriston Hospital had a domestic who had to mop the floors after accidents by patients who had no control of their functions post op .
A 12 hour contract on/off doing the dirty work others would not get out of bed for at 6 am
She was a Filipino living in CRC , my mum adored her for her work ethic and the feeling was mutual .
Scroungers and freeloaders or folk prepared to work in Britain , maybe honest immigrants should try better to intergrate . |
I visit Care Homes regularly with my dog to cheer folk up and hangout a few tunes
Most staff are foreign
All recruited for work
All are dedicated , caring folk who are doing stuff our cretinous kids find beneath them because we’ve conned them into thinking they’re deserving as a right
This contrasts with purely male chancers who are ruining communities nationwide although not many in rural Wales | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 14:46 - Mar 14 with 976 views | union_jack |
| Starmer and Trump on 14:28 - Mar 14 by onehunglow |
I visit Care Homes regularly with my dog to cheer folk up and hangout a few tunes
Most staff are foreign
All recruited for work
All are dedicated , caring folk who are doing stuff our cretinous kids find beneath them because we’ve conned them into thinking they’re deserving as a right
This contrasts with purely male chancers who are ruining communities nationwide although not many in rural Wales |
You do what??😳. Have you no heart??🤣 | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 15:10 - Mar 14 with 966 views | majorraglan |
| Starmer and Trump on 10:40 - Mar 11 by union_jack |
You’d certainly assume so seeing that Trump at every opportunity reminds us all that they have the greatest fighting force the world has ever seen, biggly bigger than anyone else! |
It’s now being reported that DT is calling, demanding or urging (depending on which source you want to read) the U.K. to send “warships” to secure the straights of Hormuz so that merchant ships can pass through following Iranian attacks. If the oil tankers can’t pass through its going to create a lot of economic hardship.
Anyone get the impression things aren’t quite going to plan?
Edit - clarify matter. [Post edited 14 Mar 15:37]
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| Starmer and Trump on 15:31 - Mar 14 with 958 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Starmer and Trump on 15:10 - Mar 14 by majorraglan |
It’s now being reported that DT is calling, demanding or urging (depending on which source you want to read) the U.K. to send “warships” to secure the straights of Hormuz so that merchant ships can pass through following Iranian attacks. If the oil tankers can’t pass through its going to create a lot of economic hardship.
Anyone get the impression things aren’t quite going to plan?
Edit - clarify matter. [Post edited 14 Mar 15:37]
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I think it's Trump being Trump, Starmer has pissed him off so he's asking Starmer to do something. I'm not sure what the plan is apart from destroying the leadership and armed forces in Iran. |  |
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| Starmer and Trump on 15:39 - Mar 14 with 952 views | majorraglan |
| Starmer and Trump on 15:31 - Mar 14 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I think it's Trump being Trump, Starmer has pissed him off so he's asking Starmer to do something. I'm not sure what the plan is apart from destroying the leadership and armed forces in Iran. |
Look like he’s also asking/ urging/ demanding/ calling ( depending on which source you read) the Chinese and the French to assist too. Not sure what kind of response he’ll get, but blocking the oil from flowing through will be a disaster. | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 16:00 - Mar 14 with 939 views | union_jack |
| Starmer and Trump on 15:10 - Mar 14 by majorraglan |
It’s now being reported that DT is calling, demanding or urging (depending on which source you want to read) the U.K. to send “warships” to secure the straights of Hormuz so that merchant ships can pass through following Iranian attacks. If the oil tankers can’t pass through its going to create a lot of economic hardship.
Anyone get the impression things aren’t quite going to plan?
Edit - clarify matter. [Post edited 14 Mar 15:37]
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Surely not. He keeps telling us they are the greatest military force in the world. Ever. Surely he should go it alone and take all the credit. We love you Donny 💋 | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 18:17 - Mar 14 with 920 views | AnotherJohn |
I don't like Trump, especially for his policies on Ukraine, but I do wonder if the media are presenting what is happening in Iran and the region in overly pessimistic terms. The Shia autocracy is both murderous and a danger to the world, so I think there would have been open conflict at some stage. Given that the US and Israel now have total air superiority and the Iranian navy has been pretty much eliminated, my guess is that there is only a small time window in which Iran can effectively close the Hormuz Strait. I could be wrong, of course, but to me the main risk that Trump's project will fail comes from dissent in the West rather than what Iran can do beyond a few weeks of resistance. | | | |
| Starmer and Trump on 20:06 - Mar 14 with 900 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Starmer and Trump on 18:17 - Mar 14 by AnotherJohn |
I don't like Trump, especially for his policies on Ukraine, but I do wonder if the media are presenting what is happening in Iran and the region in overly pessimistic terms. The Shia autocracy is both murderous and a danger to the world, so I think there would have been open conflict at some stage. Given that the US and Israel now have total air superiority and the Iranian navy has been pretty much eliminated, my guess is that there is only a small time window in which Iran can effectively close the Hormuz Strait. I could be wrong, of course, but to me the main risk that Trump's project will fail comes from dissent in the West rather than what Iran can do beyond a few weeks of resistance. |
It's worth checking across a range of media sources and comparing the reporting. The bias in some outlets is obvious bearing in mind there are no foreign reporters in Iran and tight controls on Iranians speaking out. | |
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| Starmer and Trump on 01:54 - Mar 15 with 853 views | Robbie |
Looks like Iran is not a walkover conflict The Don reckoned he could solve in a few days .
Akin to his promises of bringing a peaceful end to to the Ukraine troubles now .
Bitten off more than he can chew with these other oil rich leaders who will got give up their top card of the pack , oil and petrol prices at the pump .
Does Uncle Sam want the UK to send a few more ships to the Gulf for tanker escort .
Is the Royal Navy , a proud Fleet again will be caught up in the rules and regs of war . | | | |
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