| Cardiff Airport competition case. 21:38 - Apr 8 with 4337 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Bristol Airport lost their claim of unfair subsidy from CWL.
https://www.catribunal.org.uk/
Some legalese in n here but from what I can summise the case rested on two criteria..CWL was not being saved from going bust as it has back up funds and no subsidiaries were going to airlines themselves.
Good news for jobs in Wales. I have no time for silly parochialism.. It is one third on this way to Swansea.
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 17:36 - Apr 9 with 1117 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 17:23 - Apr 9 by johnlangy |
As far as i'm aware he's not standing for re-election. Has he changed his mind ? |
Currently he's not standing, but it looks as if Eluned Morgan may lose her seat so it may change, I think nominations close today. |  | | |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 17:46 - Apr 9 with 1087 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 17:26 - Apr 9 by Dr_Winston |
The approx 1m people in North and Mid Wales are better served by Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool airports. Driving times to Birmingham and Liverpool from Aberystwyth (for example) are almost identical to the time for Cardiff.
If Cardiff wants an airport Cardiff should pay for it itself. Why should Welsh taxpayers North of Newtown fork out to subsidise a loss making venture that they'll almost never use? It's not their airport. It never will be. |
I suppose for the same reason you pay towards the Menai bridge. Or HS2. |  | | |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 17:49 - Apr 9 with 1073 views | Dr_Winston |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 17:46 - Apr 9 by Gwyn737 |
I suppose for the same reason you pay towards the Menai bridge. Or HS2. |
HS2 is a complete waste of time too. Money would have been better spent reopening branch lines.
I've used the Menai Bridge more often than I've used Cardiff Airport. |  |
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 17:50 - Apr 9 with 1071 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 17:46 - Apr 9 by Gwyn737 |
I suppose for the same reason you pay towards the Menai bridge. Or HS2. |
I hope we don't have to pay £20M year after year for the Menai Bridge. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 18:44 - Apr 9 with 1013 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 15:04 - Apr 9 by Gwyn737 |
Did you not do Henry 8th? Or WW2? Demographics or agriculture in Geography.
Was there a head boy and girl? Or a school council? Or charity fundraising? Or citizenship classes?
These are the things that were and are being taught. The bit that gets twisted is because schools will have values around respect, tolerance etc. it’s gets picked up by bad actors as schools forcing ideology on kids.
In reality it’s more schools trying to teach children to be nice. Unfortunately in only takes one daft teacher criticise Farage or Trump for the Mail and GB news to fire up the hate machine. No excusing the daft teacher for a minute but the reaction is always disproportionate.
I do find it interesting that what they want to do to the curriculum is very Conservative 2015. Or what I’d expect and hopeful they’d learn the bits that didn’t work and the things that worked really well. |
I recall some work on demographics in that we were presented with sets of figures and asked to present our thoughts, one classmate did a good job on the numbers and I remember him calling out three big risks for the UK as the post war bulge moved forward; health, pensions and work, we didn't get into the politics.
I recall some work on agriculture and the need to manage our food supply and stuff on the Tudors and Stewarts which was good fun as the teacher was quite creative and it felt like Horrible Histories, nothing gets the attention like people throwing buckets of shit into the street.
So all quite factual and a light touch with respect to politics, which seems right when you are young and learning; to understand the whats before you start thinking about the how's and the whys. |  |
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 19:17 - Apr 9 with 990 views | Gwyn737 |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 17:50 - Apr 9 by Whiterockin |
I hope we don't have to pay £20M year after year for the Menai Bridge. |
We’ve spent about 50m in the last 3 years… | | | |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 19:43 - Apr 9 with 969 views | Boundy |
Not forgetting we pay for the upkeep of the cardiff bay barrage. | |
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 23:19 - Apr 9 with 894 views | max936 |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 14:38 - Apr 9 by Whiterockin |
I imagine maintenance and cargo jobs will be secure, the review may find this is an area to develop to encourage profitability, as with the training school all these are employers. 4,000 job losses is just scaremongering and would never be the case, this is the sort of thing a review will analyse because many would stay and some would be transferable to Bristol (where many travel from to work at Cardiff). It may just find that currently management are concentrating in the wrong areas. Concentrating on budget airlines may be more profitable that tour operators, this has proved the case for some airports. Cardiff has a pilot school, possibly developing that would benifit both the airport and Cardiff/Swansea Universities. Only good can come out of a review. Why are you paranoid about it failing unless you already think there is no long term future for the airport, because that could well be the case if we continually have to subsidise it. |
Funny on how he's concerned about 4000 jobs at Cardiff but didn't give a stuff about the 1000's of jobs lost at Tata in the Neath/Port Talbot area, double standards again!
Nothing changes with the mentality of this bloke. |  | | |
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 00:50 - Apr 10 with 828 views | majorraglan |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 14:56 - Apr 9 by Whiterockin |
With a hung parliament next month it will be very interesting. I see Drakeford has already thrown his hat into the ring to be first minister again. According to him it will be a coalition and the Senedd will need a first minister with experience. Will they never learn or understand the reasons why they are being thrown out, arrogance in the extreme. It doesn't say much for what he thinks of Eluned Morgan. [Post edited 9 Apr 14:57]
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Where has Drakeford said he wants to be first minister again? He’s not a candidate in any of the seats and can’t be the FM.
I think you’ve completely misinterpreted things, the point he’s making is should there be coalition then someone like Eluned Morgan should be the FM because of her previous experience as a politician in the Senedd and EU. As opposed to AN Other who’ll have very little experience. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 07:50 - Apr 10 with 780 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 00:50 - Apr 10 by majorraglan |
Where has Drakeford said he wants to be first minister again? He’s not a candidate in any of the seats and can’t be the FM.
I think you’ve completely misinterpreted things, the point he’s making is should there be coalition then someone like Eluned Morgan should be the FM because of her previous experience as a politician in the Senedd and EU. As opposed to AN Other who’ll have very little experience. |
Eluned Morgan could well lose her seat.
https://www.itv.com/news/wales | | | |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 12:37 - Apr 10 with 722 views | pencoedjack |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 23:23 - Apr 9 by max936 |
Dear god, I don't want to see that utter clown anywhere near the Welsh political scene here in Wales ever again, 
Eluned Morgan needs to do one like Drakeford does, I don't want to see either of them of that Plaid clown. |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
Democracy hey? |  | | |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 12:42 - Apr 10 with 718 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 17:26 - Apr 9 by Dr_Winston |
The approx 1m people in North and Mid Wales are better served by Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool airports. Driving times to Birmingham and Liverpool from Aberystwyth (for example) are almost identical to the time for Cardiff.
If Cardiff wants an airport Cardiff should pay for it itself. Why should Welsh taxpayers North of Newtown fork out to subsidise a loss making venture that they'll almost never use? It's not their airport. It never will be. |
I was derided for saying " I have no time for silly parochialism". Here is an example of this.
The airport is located between Cardiff and Swansea about 2/3 and 1/3. Most Welsh people live in the south. | |
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 12:45 - Apr 10 with 715 views | union_jack |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 12:42 - Apr 10 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I was derided for saying " I have no time for silly parochialism". Here is an example of this.
The airport is located between Cardiff and Swansea about 2/3 and 1/3. Most Welsh people live in the south. |
Now why do you think that was?? Look up the word ‘irony’. |  |
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 13:20 - Apr 10 with 704 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 12:45 - Apr 10 by union_jack |
Now why do you think that was?? Look up the word ‘irony’. |
I do not need to look up "irony". There are some words OHL randomly lobs in Io NB occasionally I have look up.
That little black book he carried for decades holds some good stuff. | |
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 13:29 - Apr 10 with 698 views | union_jack |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 13:20 - Apr 10 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I do not need to look up "irony". There are some words OHL randomly lobs in Io NB occasionally I have look up.
That little black book he carried for decades holds some good stuff. |
Then you have your answer. | |
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 13:35 - Apr 10 with 697 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 23:19 - Apr 9 by max936 |
Funny on how he's concerned about 4000 jobs at Cardiff but didn't give a stuff about the 1000's of jobs lost at Tata in the Neath/Port Talbot area, double standards again!
Nothing changes with the mentality of this bloke. |
Tara Steel needed Billions not millions . Meaningfully helping them would bankrupt Wales. We do not have that sort of money. The air quality in NPT has improved markedly since closure. The children in particular will have better health.
Drakeford had been vilified by the English press who gave the seriously incompetent contemporary of his Boris and easy ride. A posh boy Public school raffish spiv or a clarinet playing Welsh speaking solid administrator. No contest.
It comes as no surprise you b lame Drakeford for Tata shrinkage. It was never in doubt for at least 15 years.
CWL actually Barry has far greater prospects and is Welsh owned. If we vote for English men to come in and shut it down we may as well all become the new Cumbria. [Post edited 10 Apr 14:58]
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 14:24 - Apr 10 with 686 views | raynor94 |
Hallelujah! |  |
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 14:27 - Apr 10 with 685 views | raynor94 |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 13:35 - Apr 10 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Tara Steel needed Billions not millions . Meaningfully helping them would bankrupt Wales. We do not have that sort of money. The air quality in NPT has improved markedly since closure. The children in particular will have better health.
Drakeford had been vilified by the English press who gave the seriously incompetent contemporary of his Boris and easy ride. A posh boy Public school raffish spiv or a clarinet playing Welsh speaking solid administrator. No contest.
It comes as no surprise you b lame Drakeford for Tata shrinkage. It was never in doubt for at least 15 years.
CWL actually Barry has far greater prospects and is Welsh owned. If we vote for English men to come in and shut it down we may as well all become the new Cumbria. [Post edited 10 Apr 14:58]
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Airport quality in NPT? | |
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 15:09 - Apr 10 with 675 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 17:26 - Apr 9 by Dr_Winston |
The approx 1m people in North and Mid Wales are better served by Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool airports. Driving times to Birmingham and Liverpool from Aberystwyth (for example) are almost identical to the time for Cardiff.
If Cardiff wants an airport Cardiff should pay for it itself. Why should Welsh taxpayers North of Newtown fork out to subsidise a loss making venture that they'll almost never use? It's not their airport. It never will be. |
CWL is in Barry not Cardiff.it is about 25. -30; mond for Cardiff and 45 -50 mins from Swansea . It served both big Welsh urban areas as you cannot have one each. It is a little too close to Cardiff and you think like an Urban football fan not serious Citizen wanting the vast for Wales. Newtown people go to Birmingham.
Wales as a politician entity needs it's own international airport. England needs a monarchy we need our own iconic institutions. Wales a state with it's own language religion Parliament sports teams museums and airport.
London has it's iconic cable car to nowhere. £75m as a tourist feature no one uses . | |
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 15:32 - Apr 10 with 670 views | pencoedjack |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 15:09 - Apr 10 by ReslovenSwan1 |
CWL is in Barry not Cardiff.it is about 25. -30; mond for Cardiff and 45 -50 mins from Swansea . It served both big Welsh urban areas as you cannot have one each. It is a little too close to Cardiff and you think like an Urban football fan not serious Citizen wanting the vast for Wales. Newtown people go to Birmingham.
Wales as a politician entity needs it's own international airport. England needs a monarchy we need our own iconic institutions. Wales a state with it's own language religion Parliament sports teams museums and airport.
London has it's iconic cable car to nowhere. £75m as a tourist feature no one uses . |
Cardiff airport isn't in Barry its in Rhoose. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 17:33 - Apr 10 with 649 views | max936 |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 13:35 - Apr 10 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Tara Steel needed Billions not millions . Meaningfully helping them would bankrupt Wales. We do not have that sort of money. The air quality in NPT has improved markedly since closure. The children in particular will have better health.
Drakeford had been vilified by the English press who gave the seriously incompetent contemporary of his Boris and easy ride. A posh boy Public school raffish spiv or a clarinet playing Welsh speaking solid administrator. No contest.
It comes as no surprise you b lame Drakeford for Tata shrinkage. It was never in doubt for at least 15 years.
CWL actually Barry has far greater prospects and is Welsh owned. If we vote for English men to come in and shut it down we may as well all become the new Cumbria. [Post edited 10 Apr 14:58]
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It comes as no surprise that yet again you are showing yourself up as a frigging idiot.
The fact you support that idiot Drakeford comes as no surprise either.
"CWL actually Barry has far greater prospects and is Welsh owned. If we vote for English men to come in and shut it down we may as well all become the new Cumbria."
I'd be very happy with that, perhaps it'll be run properly then and not having to run to the that pit that is the Senedd for yet another multimillion pound hand out, money that comes from the hard working taxpayer, when there are many many services desperate for that money after many many years of underfunding because your useless mate wasted it on CWL. | | | |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 18:38 - Apr 10 with 628 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 17:33 - Apr 10 by max936 |
It comes as no surprise that yet again you are showing yourself up as a frigging idiot.
The fact you support that idiot Drakeford comes as no surprise either.
"CWL actually Barry has far greater prospects and is Welsh owned. If we vote for English men to come in and shut it down we may as well all become the new Cumbria."
I'd be very happy with that, perhaps it'll be run properly then and not having to run to the that pit that is the Senedd for yet another multimillion pound hand out, money that comes from the hard working taxpayer, when there are many many services desperate for that money after many many years of underfunding because your useless mate wasted it on CWL. |
Port Talbot steel works was hoovering up billions of taxpayer cash for decades especially in the late1980 and 90s. It has no growth potential and is a massive polluter the filth heading in the direction of our children's lungs for decades.
The new plan has been in the pipeline for years . You were the last to be told. The local coal suppliers ended and do did the works within a few months. A bit of a coincidence of course?.
Call me what you like. Let's hope the people of Port Talbot do not get "Brexited" again and see new EU sanctions on top of Trumps tarriffs. The Senedd laid on at least 3000 new jobs in Bridgend with Ineos but the Welsh torpedoed their own jobs over English sovereignty issues.
Self harm never works. [Post edited 10 Apr 19:28]
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 07:50 - Apr 11 with 571 views | Boundy |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 18:38 - Apr 10 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Port Talbot steel works was hoovering up billions of taxpayer cash for decades especially in the late1980 and 90s. It has no growth potential and is a massive polluter the filth heading in the direction of our children's lungs for decades.
The new plan has been in the pipeline for years . You were the last to be told. The local coal suppliers ended and do did the works within a few months. A bit of a coincidence of course?.
Call me what you like. Let's hope the people of Port Talbot do not get "Brexited" again and see new EU sanctions on top of Trumps tarriffs. The Senedd laid on at least 3000 new jobs in Bridgend with Ineos but the Welsh torpedoed their own jobs over English sovereignty issues.
Self harm never works. [Post edited 10 Apr 19:28]
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Just one point of many of yours which should be dismissed as fanatsy "The Senedd laid on at least 3000 new jobs in Bridgend with Ineos but the Welsh torpedoed their own jobs over English sovereignty issues"
These words from someone who knows or someone who makes wild guesses "Mr Crotty ( Group Director of Ineos ) said: "It's a very simple business decision. We were looking to build in Wales, we're very open and public about that.
"In the meantime we had an approach from Mercedes... who had a factory, a ready-made factory, on the Franco-German border, available to us.
"They were going to use it to build a 4x4. They changed their business position and therefore we had a very simple business decision - do we want to take the risk of building our own factory or do we want to take one that Mercedes have already built and is ready to go?
"So that's the driver... someone is presenting you with a state-of-the-art new factory, ready-built versus the risk of building your own." | |
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| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 08:22 - Apr 11 with 563 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Airport competition case. on 07:50 - Apr 11 by Boundy |
Just one point of many of yours which should be dismissed as fanatsy "The Senedd laid on at least 3000 new jobs in Bridgend with Ineos but the Welsh torpedoed their own jobs over English sovereignty issues"
These words from someone who knows or someone who makes wild guesses "Mr Crotty ( Group Director of Ineos ) said: "It's a very simple business decision. We were looking to build in Wales, we're very open and public about that.
"In the meantime we had an approach from Mercedes... who had a factory, a ready-made factory, on the Franco-German border, available to us.
"They were going to use it to build a 4x4. They changed their business position and therefore we had a very simple business decision - do we want to take the risk of building our own factory or do we want to take one that Mercedes have already built and is ready to go?
"So that's the driver... someone is presenting you with a state-of-the-art new factory, ready-built versus the risk of building your own." |
But that doesn't fit his agenda so facts are ignored as usual. | | | |
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