| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? 13:21 - May 23 with 2120 views | trampie |
They are looking to do away with juries in certain circumstances that is where we are heading, the way the trial regards the protestors that broke into that arms factory was conducted was shocking and should be a concern to all British citizens, to think Starmer was a human rights lawyer as well, its staggering. |  |
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 13:32 - May 23 with 2102 views | trampie |
Why are the powers that be, telling the main stream media what to report and what not, why are the judiciary apparently skewing cases in favour of the Crown, defendants not allowed to say why they did what they did, defence barristers not allowed to tell the jury the options they have, media banned from reporting and now there might be no juries at all 
No wonder some people think we are on our way to being a fascist state. | |
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 13:34 - May 23 with 2084 views | trampie |
Things are bad now but can you imagine if Reform get in at the next General Election things will be even worse. | |
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 13:53 - May 23 with 2035 views | Whiterockin |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 13:34 - May 23 by trampie |
Things are bad now but can you imagine if Reform get in at the next General Election things will be even worse. |
Why do you need to post 3 times in a couple of minutes without reply what can be said in one. |  | | |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 14:03 - May 23 with 1990 views | trampie |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 13:49 - May 23 by Demitrius |
"Nigel Farage has pledged that a Reform UK government would fully restore the ancient British right to trial by jury, insisting that the Labour government’s plan to remove jury trials in most cases represents a dangerous assault on personal liberty."
Restore Britain the same - here's Rupert Lowe raising it in Parliament
"Jury trial has been deeply embedded in the British psyche and, indeed, in our constitution since Henry II, who introduced it in order to deal fairly with land disputes. It is also embedded in the United States constitution through the sixth amendment, to protect against biased judges and oppressive prosecutions and to safeguard individual liberties. I have severe doubts about our judiciary at the moment—I am not sure that it is going in the right direction—and when I read the “Adult Court Bench Book”, it gives me even greater concern. As the Minister probably knows, jury trial is already under threat in defamation cases. I have three questions. Why do the Government appear to be so terrified of decent British people sitting on juries? Are the Government intent on further undermining jury trial. If they are, in any way, will they please undertake to hold a full debate in the House before it happens?"
Stay off the glue Tramps - it's not doing you any favours mun...  [Post edited 23 May 13:56]
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It's not trial by jury I was thinking about as regards Reform, its what they could do as regards tax cuts, and welfare and benefit cuts. | |
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 14:14 - May 23 with 1977 views | onehunglow |
Mind you , looking at recent jury decisions it might not be such a bad idea
There again , looking at the state of our judges … |  |
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 15:37 - May 23 with 1924 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 13:53 - May 23 by Whiterockin |
Why do you need to post 3 times in a couple of minutes without reply what can be said in one. |
No-one else speaks to him that's why. |  | | |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 16:48 - May 23 with 1850 views | onehunglow |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 14:03 - May 23 by trampie |
It's not trial by jury I was thinking about as regards Reform, its what they could do as regards tax cuts, and welfare and benefit cuts. |
More for people who work
Less for those who won’t
I’m far right | |
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 20:06 - May 23 with 1772 views | KeithHaynes |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 13:34 - May 23 by trampie |
Things are bad now but can you imagine if Reform get in at the next General Election things will be even worse. |
They ain’t no Mussolini, Franco or Hitler that’s for sure.
To me that’s Fascism Trampie. |  |
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 20:12 - May 23 with 1752 views | trampie |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 20:06 - May 23 by KeithHaynes |
They ain’t no Mussolini, Franco or Hitler that’s for sure.
To me that’s Fascism Trampie. |
Yes I agree, but are we on our way towards it ?, obviously i hope not. | |
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 21:06 - May 23 with 1697 views | KeithHaynes |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 20:12 - May 23 by trampie |
Yes I agree, but are we on our way towards it ?, obviously i hope not. |
I think mate, the three I mentioned were well in to it before they came to prominence. Nigel Farage doesn’t strike me as someone who wants people to die if he gets in to office. Neither Rupert Lowe. The latter is far more right wing. I live in a Socialist country which in some areas is sound. However, my politics are nowhere, I see no reason to support anyone but take a great interest in it all.
Especially the extremes that people think we are heading towards.
Look up VOX in Spain, now they look a bit iffy to me. | |
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 21:59 - May 23 with 1673 views | max936 |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 21:06 - May 23 by KeithHaynes |
I think mate, the three I mentioned were well in to it before they came to prominence. Nigel Farage doesn’t strike me as someone who wants people to die if he gets in to office. Neither Rupert Lowe. The latter is far more right wing. I live in a Socialist country which in some areas is sound. However, my politics are nowhere, I see no reason to support anyone but take a great interest in it all.
Especially the extremes that people think we are heading towards.
Look up VOX in Spain, now they look a bit iffy to me. |
I think Lowe talks a lot more sense than Farage and he asks well thought out questions to the people he thinks aren't doing or up to the jobs they're doing, he talks a lot more intelligently than Farage who is brash by comparison, IMO. |  | | |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 22:28 - May 23 with 1664 views | trampie |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 21:06 - May 23 by KeithHaynes |
I think mate, the three I mentioned were well in to it before they came to prominence. Nigel Farage doesn’t strike me as someone who wants people to die if he gets in to office. Neither Rupert Lowe. The latter is far more right wing. I live in a Socialist country which in some areas is sound. However, my politics are nowhere, I see no reason to support anyone but take a great interest in it all.
Especially the extremes that people think we are heading towards.
Look up VOX in Spain, now they look a bit iffy to me. |
I'm old school, I look at left and right in economical terms only, left high tax/high spend, right low tax/low spend, it seems these days people define left and right using different parameters to taxation. | |
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 10:09 - May 24 with 1585 views | controversial_jack |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 14:14 - May 23 by onehunglow |
Mind you , looking at recent jury decisions it might not be such a bad idea
There again , looking at the state of our judges … |
The Letby case for one | | | |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 10:10 - May 24 with 1584 views | controversial_jack |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 20:06 - May 23 by KeithHaynes |
They ain’t no Mussolini, Franco or Hitler that’s for sure.
To me that’s Fascism Trampie. |
Fascism can be anything that's totally authoritative, however National socialism can only be right wing.
As regarding Juries. There are many modern countries that don't have juries. I would still advocate it for serious cases [Post edited 24 May 10:12]
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 10:14 - May 24 with 1568 views | raynor94 |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 13:53 - May 23 by Whiterockin |
Why do you need to post 3 times in a couple of minutes without reply what can be said in one. |
Because we all try to ignore him |  |
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 11:11 - May 24 with 1534 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
I would say Starmer displays three of the several traits that characterise Fascism and also Marxism.
Dictating from the centre of government
Economic control
Limits on information |  |
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 11:43 - May 24 with 1513 views | controversial_jack |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 11:11 - May 24 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I would say Starmer displays three of the several traits that characterise Fascism and also Marxism.
Dictating from the centre of government
Economic control
Limits on information |
Could you give us examples? | | | |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 13:14 - May 24 with 1475 views | Togg |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 21:06 - May 23 by KeithHaynes |
I think mate, the three I mentioned were well in to it before they came to prominence. Nigel Farage doesn’t strike me as someone who wants people to die if he gets in to office. Neither Rupert Lowe. The latter is far more right wing. I live in a Socialist country which in some areas is sound. However, my politics are nowhere, I see no reason to support anyone but take a great interest in it all.
Especially the extremes that people think we are heading towards.
Look up VOX in Spain, now they look a bit iffy to me. |
Vox are to the right of the Partido Popular. The PP being born out of Franco's Nationalist movement.
I think one of the biggest threats to a totalitarianism is coming from the hard left. You see the ones all masked up and shut down any debate which goes against their warped views. You know the ones with the 'Gays for Palestine' flags multi coloured hair and not a bar of soap between them! | | | |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 15:47 - May 24 with 1417 views | Boundy |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 20:06 - May 23 by KeithHaynes |
They ain’t no Mussolini, Franco or Hitler that’s for sure.
To me that’s Fascism Trampie. |
The lad’s confused | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 15:56 - May 24 with 1415 views | Whiterockin |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 15:47 - May 24 by Boundy |
The lad’s confused |
A465 syndrome. | | | |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 17:48 - May 24 with 1354 views | KeithHaynes |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 13:14 - May 24 by Togg |
Vox are to the right of the Partido Popular. The PP being born out of Franco's Nationalist movement.
I think one of the biggest threats to a totalitarianism is coming from the hard left. You see the ones all masked up and shut down any debate which goes against their warped views. You know the ones with the 'Gays for Palestine' flags multi coloured hair and not a bar of soap between them! |
Yes, here not massively prominent in the big cities. Dressing like that, masks and the necky rag thing brings attention on them they only survive in big numbers. Otherwise it’s likely they will be attacked, I’ve seen it in Cadiz and Malaga.
Soap is very cheap here 😂 | |
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| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 18:38 - May 24 with 1326 views | Dippersmate |
| Is the UK becoming a fascist state ? on 22:28 - May 23 by trampie |
I'm old school, I look at left and right in economical terms only, left high tax/high spend, right low tax/low spend, it seems these days people define left and right using different parameters to taxation. |
Looking at the first few posts thats clearly true  | | | |
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