| Welsh Education Performance on 09:29 - Sep 8 with 3137 views | Whiterockin |
OK I'll call it and I am prepared to be slated. Bilingual is not helping, many are taking examinations in a language that is not their first language and rarely speak outside of school. Poverty and demographics affect results, but in general English speaking schools get better results than Welsh speaking. |  | |  |
| Welsh Education Performance on 09:32 - Sep 8 with 3121 views | Luther27 |
| Welsh Education Performance on 09:29 - Sep 8 by Whiterockin |
OK I'll call it and I am prepared to be slated. Bilingual is not helping, many are taking examinations in a language that is not their first language and rarely speak outside of school. Poverty and demographics affect results, but in general English speaking schools get better results than Welsh speaking. |
Stating the obvious there and I agree. There also seems to be constant change in our education system which must be pretty unsettling for all concerned. The results don’t lie. |  | | |
| Welsh Education Performance on 09:47 - Sep 8 with 3082 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh Education Performance on 09:29 - Sep 8 by Whiterockin |
OK I'll call it and I am prepared to be slated. Bilingual is not helping, many are taking examinations in a language that is not their first language and rarely speak outside of school. Poverty and demographics affect results, but in general English speaking schools get better results than Welsh speaking. |
Not from me you won’t
I have many nephews nieces around Swansea all of whom had Welsh infused into them
Not a.word was spoken outside school
People haven’t got it yet
If you’re from a family that has Welsh as its lingua Franca then they will always speak and think on Welsh
And that’s fine
My fathers family did
If English is , as is the case in the big industrial towns/ cities then people think and speak in English
And always will
Welsh is divisive and holds the country back
How about that then | |
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| Welsh Education Performance on 10:37 - Sep 8 with 3018 views | Whiterockin |
One hell of an incorrect assumption by you. I have grandchildren in Welsh medium and English medium schools so speak from experience. Yourself? | | | |
| Welsh Education Performance on 12:15 - Sep 8 with 2951 views | onehunglow |
Scholl
You’ve put your foot in it
I’ve long abandoned any nationalist hatred
You still suffer from narrow minded insularity
Speaking Latin gives you understanding of several European languages that have millions of speakers
Speaking Welsh is primarily a family hand me down
All my fathers family spoke first language Welsh and were no better or worse than those who didn’t
There is an inverted snobbery with Welsh speaking ingenues
It is utterly devisive
I’m not a bad man btw | |
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| Welsh Education Performance on 12:47 - Sep 8 with 2919 views | Gwyn737 |
There is no one simple answer and I could write a essay on this (don't worry, I wont!)
As with most things it's very difficult to pull out single items and say with any certainty that that's why. The English/Welsh school debate is one of those as it depends what metrics you use. In Pisa rankings of core subjects english speaking schools do silghtly better (but not significantly so). Across GCSEs Welsh medium schools perform better. English medium schools have a slightly higher % acheving top grades.
Also as WR alluded to, deprivation has a massive effect too, as does % of ethnic children which drives results up (London scores really drive up the England average).
It's a bit broad brush but the biggest difference between England and Wales is curriculum. Since 2014, education in England and right from Year 1 has become incredibly formal and knowelge based. In the meantime Wales and Scotland went for skills and experience based system. Since then the gap has grown and continues to grow.
You can't argue that the English system has been successful and is now in the top 10 world wide with mostly Asian countries.
That doesn't say that the system doesn't lead to problems as it most certainly does. [Post edited 8 Sep 12:48]
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| Welsh Education Performance on 12:54 - Sep 8 with 2900 views | onehunglow |
Scholl
You’ve put your foot in it
I’ve long abandoned any nationalist hatred
You still suffer from narrow minded insularity
Speaking Latin gives you understanding of several European languages that have millions of speakers
Speaking Welsh is primarily a family hand me down
All my fathers family spoke first language Welsh and were no better or worse than those who didn’t
There is an inverted snobbery with Welsh speaking ingenues
It is utterly devisive
I’m not a bad man btw | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 12:54 - Sep 8 with 2899 views | onehunglow |
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| Welsh Education Performance on 14:26 - Sep 8 with 2830 views | Wingstandwood |
What an absolute disaster devolution has been, to think some want even greater powers! |  |
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| Welsh Education Performance on 15:12 - Sep 8 with 2787 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Welsh Education Performance on 14:26 - Sep 8 by Wingstandwood |
What an absolute disaster devolution has been, to think some want even greater powers! |
Wales has been bottom of the class for decades and still is. Devolution means like cal people have the ability to change this fact. So far they gave failed.
Welsh people have to prove they can do better. |  |
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| Welsh Education Performance on 15:15 - Sep 8 with 2792 views | SullutaCreturned |
Who said don't learn another language? Who said don't learn Spanish, French or Italian?
Your own biases are there plain for all to see.
The reality is the Senedd played around with the curriculum and we have fallen further behind again.
The real losers are those poor kids whose educational system is letting them down. The real losers will be the future adults who struggle to gain a decent job because they have worse grades than English counterparts.
Then we get people wondering why the young are leaving Wales/Cymru, they blame the English "incomers" and they blame Westminster and they blame...well they blame anybody besides the Senedd because it can't possibly be the government of Cymru that is the problem.
The real dinosaurs are those who cannot accept the future will be different to the past, the real dinosaurs revel in the past and want to keep us there.
You want factual data Res, the average student in Wales gets results comparable to the most disadvantaged students in England. In English Welsh PISA scores average 459 for reading, Englands average is 497. The gap is similar in maths and science.
The Welsh curriculum ( that the Senedd recently changed ) is letting our children down and the long term impact of this could be disastrous.
You can move with the times or you can stagnate and Cymru is stagnating. We are going backwards.
No wonder my sons long term ambition is to emigrate to Italy, he says everything is better there than here and maybe he's right because as long as the "old SCHOLL DYNASAURS" are in charge this country is heading for a bad place.
Which language to learn should be your choice. [Post edited 8 Sep 16:15]
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| Welsh Education Performance on 15:59 - Sep 8 with 2737 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Welsh Education Performance on 14:26 - Sep 8 by Wingstandwood |
What an absolute disaster devolution has been, to think some want even greater powers! |
Wales has been bottom of the class for decades and still is. Devolution means like cal people have the ability to change this fact. So far they gave failed.
Welsh people have to prove they can do better. | |
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| Welsh Education Performance on 16:08 - Sep 8 with 2725 views | Whiterockin |
| Welsh Education Performance on 15:59 - Sep 8 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Wales has been bottom of the class for decades and still is. Devolution means like cal people have the ability to change this fact. So far they gave failed.
Welsh people have to prove they can do better. |
What is your current personal experience of education in Wales including Welsh medium and English medium schools, as this is the subject in question. | | | |
| Welsh Education Performance on 17:05 - Sep 8 with 2665 views | Gwyn737 |
With the curriculum in place since 2008, Wales were never going to well in PISA rankings.
THe curriculum is so different, it's literally testing different things. | | | |
| Welsh Education Performance on 17:17 - Sep 8 with 2651 views | Gwyn737 |
I've read the full report.
As I've mentioned on previous threads on education, one of the reasons England do so well compared to the other home nations is the performance on second generation immigrants.
It not the whole story but they waaaaayyyy out perform home nationals and the group is much bigger in England, | | | |
| Welsh Education Performance on 17:21 - Sep 8 with 2655 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Welsh Education Performance on 17:17 - Sep 8 by Gwyn737 |
I've read the full report.
As I've mentioned on previous threads on education, one of the reasons England do so well compared to the other home nations is the performance on second generation immigrants.
It not the whole story but they waaaaayyyy out perform home nationals and the group is much bigger in England, |
They see school as a privilege and something to value. |  | | |
| Welsh Education Performance on 17:47 - Sep 8 with 2634 views | max936 |
| Welsh Education Performance on 15:15 - Sep 8 by SullutaCreturned |
Who said don't learn another language? Who said don't learn Spanish, French or Italian?
Your own biases are there plain for all to see.
The reality is the Senedd played around with the curriculum and we have fallen further behind again.
The real losers are those poor kids whose educational system is letting them down. The real losers will be the future adults who struggle to gain a decent job because they have worse grades than English counterparts.
Then we get people wondering why the young are leaving Wales/Cymru, they blame the English "incomers" and they blame Westminster and they blame...well they blame anybody besides the Senedd because it can't possibly be the government of Cymru that is the problem.
The real dinosaurs are those who cannot accept the future will be different to the past, the real dinosaurs revel in the past and want to keep us there.
You want factual data Res, the average student in Wales gets results comparable to the most disadvantaged students in England. In English Welsh PISA scores average 459 for reading, Englands average is 497. The gap is similar in maths and science.
The Welsh curriculum ( that the Senedd recently changed ) is letting our children down and the long term impact of this could be disastrous.
You can move with the times or you can stagnate and Cymru is stagnating. We are going backwards.
No wonder my sons long term ambition is to emigrate to Italy, he says everything is better there than here and maybe he's right because as long as the "old SCHOLL DYNASAURS" are in charge this country is heading for a bad place.
Which language to learn should be your choice. [Post edited 8 Sep 16:15]
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The Senedd is a glorified talking shop.
It needs to go and the building put to better use. |  | | |
| Welsh Education Performance on 12:58 - Sep 9 with 2297 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Welsh Education Performance on 17:47 - Sep 8 by max936 |
The Senedd is a glorified talking shop.
It needs to go and the building put to better use. |
No Senedd no Wales. Without it we become a region of UK and an English county like Cumbria.
Before we were run by the Welsh office who the Prime minister of UK chose to run it.john Redwood was one and he worked for the interests of England not Wales.
Welsh people who want to scrap the Senedd ars actually saying Welsh people cannot run their own affairs and English people and Asians from London should do it as they know best. These people work to this interests of London not Wales.
Welsh wind farms generate big profits. The money does not stay in Wales. It goes to the Crown Estates and the King. King Charles took a whopping £45m Payrise in 2025 much of it from Wales . When Reform promote this money coming back to Wales I will see them as defending Welsh interests. They defend English interests.
Some Welsh people are feeble and want others to run their affairs and to take our money for the monarchy. Hard to understand. Thet wave Union flags and want Welsh business run from London. | |
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| Welsh Education Performance on 13:06 - Sep 9 with 2295 views | Whiterockin |
| Welsh Education Performance on 12:58 - Sep 9 by ReslovenSwan1 |
No Senedd no Wales. Without it we become a region of UK and an English county like Cumbria.
Before we were run by the Welsh office who the Prime minister of UK chose to run it.john Redwood was one and he worked for the interests of England not Wales.
Welsh people who want to scrap the Senedd ars actually saying Welsh people cannot run their own affairs and English people and Asians from London should do it as they know best. These people work to this interests of London not Wales.
Welsh wind farms generate big profits. The money does not stay in Wales. It goes to the Crown Estates and the King. King Charles took a whopping £45m Payrise in 2025 much of it from Wales . When Reform promote this money coming back to Wales I will see them as defending Welsh interests. They defend English interests.
Some Welsh people are feeble and want others to run their affairs and to take our money for the monarchy. Hard to understand. Thet wave Union flags and want Welsh business run from London. |
And this is relevant to the Welsh Education Performance? Apart from the Senedd being responsible for the falling education standard in Wales. [Post edited 9 Sep 13:23]
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| Welsh Education Performance on 15:20 - Sep 9 with 2228 views | union_jack |
| Welsh Education Performance on 13:06 - Sep 9 by Whiterockin |
And this is relevant to the Welsh Education Performance? Apart from the Senedd being responsible for the falling education standard in Wales. [Post edited 9 Sep 13:23]
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It sort of crushes his point doesn’t it😂 |  |
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| Welsh Education Performance on 15:28 - Sep 9 with 2222 views | Whiterockin |
| Welsh Education Performance on 15:20 - Sep 9 by union_jack |
It sort of crushes his point doesn’t it😂 |
I don't think he understands what he posts. Totally blinded by the obsession to promote his agenda to the detriment of the obvious. | | | |
| Welsh Education Performance on 17:42 - Sep 9 with 2169 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh Education Performance on 12:58 - Sep 9 by ReslovenSwan1 |
No Senedd no Wales. Without it we become a region of UK and an English county like Cumbria.
Before we were run by the Welsh office who the Prime minister of UK chose to run it.john Redwood was one and he worked for the interests of England not Wales.
Welsh people who want to scrap the Senedd ars actually saying Welsh people cannot run their own affairs and English people and Asians from London should do it as they know best. These people work to this interests of London not Wales.
Welsh wind farms generate big profits. The money does not stay in Wales. It goes to the Crown Estates and the King. King Charles took a whopping £45m Payrise in 2025 much of it from Wales . When Reform promote this money coming back to Wales I will see them as defending Welsh interests. They defend English interests.
Some Welsh people are feeble and want others to run their affairs and to take our money for the monarchy. Hard to understand. Thet wave Union flags and want Welsh business run from London. |
Welsh people cannot control their own affairs
Dead right
North South divide
Easy West divide
Welsh speakers v English speakers
Who’s the best type of Welsh ?
Rural Welsh v urban Anglo Wales
Too right Wales can’t
And right now Plaid , the party for wales pining over illegal
Migrants and perverted individuals who want to defecate in toilets constructed for the opposite sex
Free Wales from these jerks and this perverse senate | |
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| Welsh Education Performance on 18:43 - Sep 9 with 2146 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Welsh Education Performance on 17:42 - Sep 9 by onehunglow |
Welsh people cannot control their own affairs
Dead right
North South divide
Easy West divide
Welsh speakers v English speakers
Who’s the best type of Welsh ?
Rural Welsh v urban Anglo Wales
Too right Wales can’t
And right now Plaid , the party for wales pining over illegal
Migrants and perverted individuals who want to defecate in toilets constructed for the opposite sex
Free Wales from these jerks and this perverse senate |
Who's the best type of Welsh? You nailed it with that question. There should be no discussion about who is better Welsh, we can disagree on government policy, disagree on what is good or bad about what is being implemented but the discussion should never be dragged down to saying people aren't really Welsh or they hate their own country or language.
We all have different views but I cannot change where I was born and brought up, where I went to school and all I am guilty of is trying to make the best of my life.
The mere fact I call myself Welsh and British has some Welsh zealots slathering as they dismiss me for being "anglo" and having Stockholm syndrome. | | | |
| Welsh Education Performance on 18:53 - Sep 9 with 2137 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh Education Performance on 18:43 - Sep 9 by SullutaCreturned |
Who's the best type of Welsh? You nailed it with that question. There should be no discussion about who is better Welsh, we can disagree on government policy, disagree on what is good or bad about what is being implemented but the discussion should never be dragged down to saying people aren't really Welsh or they hate their own country or language.
We all have different views but I cannot change where I was born and brought up, where I went to school and all I am guilty of is trying to make the best of my life.
The mere fact I call myself Welsh and British has some Welsh zealots slathering as they dismiss me for being "anglo" and having Stockholm syndrome. |
Being Welsh like us is always thus
Many like me would have had Welsh speaking family squabble with other members who don’t speak Welsh
Christ
Imagine Llanelli people calling themselves jacks when O recall nothing but interest become stiff either side of Loughor bridge
These are towns 7 miles apart
Gogs look down on south Welsh as incorrect or pigeon Welsh
Many South Walians have never been to Gwynedd
Want to try Welsh in Nefyn ? Try it , real fun it is . Not
He’ll , we have Welsh people flying a flag for Argentina purely because they don’t like English football , yet we play in the English pyramid
Argentinians killed Welsh people
Confused ?
You bet | |
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| Welsh Education Performance on 20:59 - Sep 9 with 2078 views | Gwyn737 |
I’m not sure it’ll be taken but this is a really good opportunity for Plaid to distance themselves from Welsh Labour by making some relatively quick and cheap changes that would make rapid improvements. | | | |
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